Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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well that sounds like a Craig problem so
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we're live right I think so now by I'm just refreshing the page to see if it goes live yeah we are live so I've got
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the page up and I'll to say hey to all of you one all right well so why don't
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you go ahead okay ferry we already tried this Jeff I says I would love to be there fells but
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I'm stuck on my other podcast also I have only seen 20 minutes in specialists and it's horrible lol no arguments here
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alright so why don't we get started with hey Craig why don't you start yeah yeah
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hey weekend warriors you guys ready this is Craig from the sly cast and I am
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thrilled and honored to be able to sit down with these two gentlemen to talk the specialist and a true confession
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time here guys I love the specialist so it's gonna be like how did this get made
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style Mike Conda you know thrashing of the movie you guys are in for quite a
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surprise I think this was from a run of Stallone's career where I think he was
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making really you know solid choices and I and I think he had sort of refound his
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footing after some missteps so like I said man I I love this movie and I know
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I know some of the slightest listeners out there do too and I've been waiting for this for a while I would also like
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to say before I hand it off to you Ryan or Doug I live in a in Las Vegas as you
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know which is a pretty active City so you might hear the occasional siren on
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fire truck or ambulance or party bus party bus street fight
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and I also have two dogs who like to respond to all of those noises they hear so uh you know going live you know I'm
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normally able to edit around all that stuff so I did give the dogs some some beef gullets so once they work through
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those they might start to get a little active but I am so happy to be here and I can't wait to run down this movie
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with you guys awesome go ahead your turn I'm Doug greenberg
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I'm one of the hosts of rocky minute which is a podcast where we cover the
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Rocky movies one minute in one minute chunks you know each episode we take
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about 20 25 30 minutes to discuss one minute of movie time so he completed the
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first rocky movie and and uh you know we're gearing up to get ready for Rocky
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too but we've had both Craig actually we've had the whole quartet of the slide
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cast on our show Craig I'm very familiar with your dogs you uh they made an appearance on our show
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rocky minute and the pup Patti's right so we use these from in-n-out burger
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yeah the poop patties Ryan also made an appearance on our show and yeah I mean
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I'm you know it's funny about the specialty because I thought that I've seen all those movies like you know at
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least once but I was watching this the other day in preparation for this and I'm like I
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don't remember a single God they admitted the show so I think I think
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that I just saw the specialist for the first time did I like it we'll talk
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about we'll talk about that we're gonna talk about it but don't hate it did I hate it the answer's no oh yeah
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hates a strong word this like rocky said in part 5 you know he likes just about everybody and I like about just
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everything Stallone does but alright so my name is uh my name is Ryan you guys
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hear me OK still yeah ok good alright so my name is Ryan I am part of the going
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to distance of rocky series podcast and I've I can't say anymore these guys already said I've been I'm I sort of
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been on Craig's show I did a submitted recording to Craig's like ass I hope to
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be a live guest one day and I've been on Dougs Rock a minute and we've all we've all had a roundtable before I forget
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which episode it is on all of our shows but we've had a discussion before and I'm just really excited to talk about
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the specialist so we'll get right into it and this is going to be very very exciting now let me just give you my story about how or
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I first saw it I did seat in the theaters I don't know if I guess either one of you saw in the theaters 94 no I
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have to hit up my brother cuz he's got a way better memory than me but I'd like to I'd like to say that I saw this one
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in the theater okay so was 1994 and this is just off the top of my head I don't know what kind of research you guys did
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but research well I don't know like okay
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it costs it costs 75 million dollars to make which in today's money is 80 90
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million dollars okay so it's kind of a you know it's a mid mid to low a low high or mid low budget it's not too bad
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ninety million dollar budget will speak to where that money went and then it did
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make two hundred and ninety million dollars in today's money it made 170 or something back then but in today's money
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it's so it's still made a 200 million dollar profits so in of itself it not to
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use the pun year it wasn't quite the bomb that people make it out to be yeah well and one other thing is this wasn't
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the error like it's it's I mean if you look at the top ten movies of all time
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now not adjusted for inflation they're all movies from what the last five years maybe this came out at a time when even
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cracking a hundred million was still a big deal yes oh yeah yeah in 1984
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cracking 100 million you're like oh it's a lot of money nowadays it's like yeah this you want to do that the first
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weekend almost what's that budget the production budget on this 75 million in
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94 dollars which is about 90 million today and it made 290 million in today's money but imagine that most of the production
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went towards the pyrotechnics I was gonna say probably 40 million went to
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Sharon Stone and yeah I was gonna say about 25 million went to putting makeup
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on stones but save it we'll get there
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all right well let's talk about the opening sequence let's get let's dive in here so the opening sequence you have
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which is probably the best part of the show is is the I guess you could say
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it's kind of like the prequel what's what's about to have we have the character James would remind me his name
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is Ned Anette or Ted Ned Ned Trent Ned Trent okay good job looking you got the know I
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got notes too but I forget their names so James would care James Woods characters Ned and Stallone's character
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is ray quick I K this is so 90s these names nobody's named ray quick nobody I
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want to interject here I'm sorry Craig no it's fine just real quick because there's nothing to do with the movie per
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se but before we get into it I just wanted to run through Stallone's character names from the 90s
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yeah all right we're gonna start with snaps provolone
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there's Joe bomowski from stopper my mom will shoot obviously snaps provolone's from Oscar yeah whoo hey come on we know
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that there's a Gabe Walker from cliff cliff cliff hanger sorry I'm reading my
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my amended notes here that's ironic you actually kept us hanging with the name of the title I love that as a cliff
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hanger John Spartan which is my personal food we have ray quick we have Judge
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Dredd Robert Rath from a movie called assassins his goddamn last name was rap
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KITT Latour Oh from daylight and then we got into more of like a like an earthly
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name with Freddy Heflin from Copland and Nigeria well yeah because there's a proper movie
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yeah yeah but yeah it's just the the character names and before that you know
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I honorable mention is of course Lincoln Hawk from over-the-top yes character
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names Stallone never lets us down no and then he had Robert me and a friend of
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mine always had a sort of a running joke going that Stallone she's got like a
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notebook full of names and when it's time to make a new movie he just sort of opens it up and I got that one yeah you
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know Robert Rath or whatever but uh it's funny the specialist is actually based on a series of books and the character
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in the books and I don't know either one of you are gonna get this reference but the character in the books name is John
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cutter and about two years before the specialist came out there was another action film that had a
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character named John cutter so I guess they couldn't use the John cutter name again when that was Wesley Snipes in
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passenger 57 his name is John cutter yes Wow I mean notice there's whole Snipes
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six minutes of separation right there with a demolition man one degree of separation they were Expendables 3
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together as well another um you know
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shout out Snipes and demolition man another great character named Simon Phoenix alright so the opening sequence
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we've got we've got Stallone and woods characters Ned and red Ned and Ray they
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they're where they're full I love other words they're full military regalo they're supposed to be like incognito
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army fatigues their way like they're dressed deportment is better than the
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average military member and they're out in Cambodia looking pretty spiffy in their uniforms here I love to be a
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little bit of smudges on their face a dirt or oil or whatever and it's up to a Stallone's character I'll just have to
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keep saying Ray it's up to Ray quick for those who don't remember ray quick is Stallone's character so ray he starts
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putting these 1994 c-4 looking props on the bridge you know places them
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sporadically throughout the bridge and he comes back to tell Ned alright the
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job's done and Ned makes the line that he says twice in the movies I want to talk about this he says you're the rigger and I'm
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the trigger yes this is a line that you
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have to be very careful how you seen who you say it around 5 minutes Ryan can you
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imagine already if Carl Weathers was cast for this role like you gotta be
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very careful there's not a slip-up there exactly so this is this is a saying that they have all she had as a buddy duo or whatever
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but what I love about this is I watch James Woods job all he has to do is push the button
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he's the trigger like how hard of a job is that to be the trigger the by the way
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the second time you said they mentioned it twice the second time they said that line it was I saw coming a mile away you
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weren't you were blown away by that they said that in the first five minutes no
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nothing like that okay so I like that little line so the setup here is the
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bridge is set up ready to take on the drug lord or guess now we're gonna talk so they have the the bridge ready to
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blow to take out this drug lord and of course they see through there by nose or
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whatever that there's a child in the vehicle mmm any thoughts on this next sequence well first of all there had to
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be two reasons to do this on a bridge right where they also test with destroying a bridge I know this is like
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the this poor village this is their only way to get food in and out of the city yeah they starve to death you know a
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couple weeks later because they didn't have a food store why are we destroyed why are we destroyed the city he I it's
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ridiculous not to ruin anything else from in the future but they find very innovative ways to blow up other people
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Oh we'll get the only way to destroy this drug lord is to blow up a bridge of course well they may be they've hope
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they may be their hole in their skills when they became retired from the CIA oh maybe maybe maybe so like the the
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classic you know movie trope right where it's instantly gonna make James Woods
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the bad guy or Ned the bad guy cuz he's cool with killing a kid you know it's
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like screenwriting 101 is like Jeff Barry would say you know it's like okay
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he killed a kid so now we're not gonna like him the rest of the movie that's right
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one of my notes was right right off the bat we get a taste of who
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the good guy is and who's the bad guy but nowadays like wouldn't wouldn't there be some kind of like misdirection
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or red herring where you wouldn't necessarily know that that his friend in
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the beginning is the bad guy in the end right yeah they would have kept a little bit longer that the person that sets up
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trying to get ray quick out of hiding you know we find out much later that it was James Woods character yeah yeah I
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mean if you think about it what a year later they did goldeneye and they pretty much did that with Sean Bean hmm you
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know there you go yeah Sean Bean rest in peace in every role he's ever played all
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right okay so of course they have the conflict and the kid gets blown up yeah we saw that come and then you know the
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truck falls into the river and you know a big special effects scene along with some guy who's definitely not Sylvester
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Stallone okay there's a classic scene in
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Cobra where you know if you pause it and I believe Mike unda has a screen shot of this is you see some guy that's not
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Stallone like why is he wearing Cobras clothes I could have been Stallone
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standing for the film the guy they picked listen make him wear and like they're just both wearing black wigs
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that's the only thing similar but the funny thing about this is like they insist on the slow motion like close-up
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view of this guy as he's jumping off the bridge I have a theory hi guys hi def wasn't around back then
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mmm because this came in when this I was watching this movie on high def on my TV
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I rented it for five bucks for two days it was on demand and anyway so this this
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guy Falls for the bridge because big explosion I'm like is that one of the bad guys who flew out the van I don't
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care that like like back in 1993 where they're making more like at hell close enough nobody
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nobody watching is in the future they had no idea it was coming they had no idea high def was coming in hand well
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it's not it's friends and that's for sure so they have a big fight on the rocks you know Ned and and Rey cuz
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they're different they're obviously I want to know what the history was and let me just say this I think this is a
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better film help here and the better film here is whatever the events were ten years previous to this event I think
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the better film would have been them as demolition guys or whatever as bomb experts throughout all their missions
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and then they get to this point like maybe two throws away through the film they have their falling out and then the
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last third is them trying to kill each other I think that would have been a better film and a story this should have been the third act of an of a better
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film say I Frida alright
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Frida likes the pup Patty's yeah I gave my kids chew bones too though this
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should be gnawing on it for a while but
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I said what do you guys think about that theory about the the better film there's just everything from here on out is so
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you know what you could probably trim a lot of the fat it's so dense and so convoluted that you know maybe you could
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squeeze that into an act three okay so they get they get separated they go
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about their merry it's very little explanations done here about kind of what happened to each other they kind of just kicked the crap out of each other
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and then they're like there's not even on like ten years later was there ten years later no one said it said present-day right so all of a sudden
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when I was watching this movie yes 2018 yeah that's a terrible idea to be
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present day they should have done a year these are the biggest one is one eighty four at the beginning right they should
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have just put ten years ago or ten years earlier yeah one of the things that I
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was focusing on and this might be a hi-def issue when when very quick is
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he's got Ned on the ground he's over him you know trash-talking him he's
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got these blood droplets falling off his nose oh my god this is it's disgusting
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because it looks like it's falling right on Ned's face it's really red it looks
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it just looks like it looks like schoolyard paint actually this is a good
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point I think this what this brings us to the the opening the opening titles right or are those before this opening
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scene sure now we've talked on the sly
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cast before about you know movies that Stallone may have directed that he didn't get a director's credit for and
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if you look at the specialist it's directed by this guy louise lo sung
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who's a peruvian director and he made movies for Roger Corman and prior to
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this his only big movie was sniper what's a bad film yeah and then after
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this he made anaconda and then didn't make another movie - until 2005 and this
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is one of those movies that sort of screams like Stallone you know still being powerful enough to be like just get me somebody that can
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set up a camera and yell action and I'll take care of the rest why does Stallone here's the thing with
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Sloan I'm actually wanting to talk about that so thanks for bringing it up is he has this really weird career where he's
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made some big films and they've made a lot of money of course rocking around both Expendables but what's the is it
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the directors don't want to work with him why don't we get the bigger names with him why is he getting the screws Aziz or the copulas or the or even a
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John McTiernan you know back then you know I'd imagine the oh he made predator and die hard I totally could have seen
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like a John McTiernan I mean that's it that's an excellent point I I think you know as much as we all love Sly here I
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think it's one of those things that it's easier to have a director on set that
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you can sort of convince to do things your way yeah I I have a little tidbit
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this is a kind of a spoiler for the interview I did with the kind of off topic here but we did with the rocky robot creator
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robot directed rock III yeah pretty lucky for it but he I asked him what was
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like to work on the set with with sly what was like to have slides of directors so I hear I was talking to
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someone as legit work with slide I've talked to a couple people worked with sly on on the movie sets and he says what everyone seems to say about sly is
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that everybody wants to please him he's just that guy that everybody wants to please semester everybody wants to make
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him happy cuz he makes everybody happy he always is giving gifts and he gives gifts and time and he sees work and he's
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a hard worker so he leads by example he's a hard worker and he leads by example okay I want to
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read a little little bit of trivia that I found about this movie absolutely I think we all know that rocky three in a
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way mirrors Stallone's rise in how arrogant he becomes confident very
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confident confident arrogant however you want to cut it but I read this little tidbit it says Sylvester Stallone
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demanded for some of James Woods is seen to be cut out of the movie for some and
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for some of his scenes to be reshot in order for Sloane to have more screen time the reason for that was because
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Sloane was worried that Woods would steal the movie away because he was a better actor than him like you know I
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mean if that's not arrogance or or some kind of arrogance that's the only word I
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can think yeah it's it's interesting because a Stallone at this time would have been 48 during this movie so just
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six years old that I am right now yeah well how old are you there's but anyways
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you know it's Hollywood right this is the 90s it's just just after the 80s of the decade of decadence in excess you
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know so of course this is Eagles on the line he knows that James Woods a better actor it's like it's like if you're a
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sports star like look at the Harlem Globetrotters they always play that same team all the time because they know they're but you know they don't want to
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be out shown by a better team like they probably couldn't play you know the Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron James you
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know what I mean like so I think there's a bit of Sly you know that we owe that in us a little bit not to say that
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it wasn't arrogant on his part but one I would like to know the source of that which it doesn't mean didn't happen but I believe it I believe it but but at the
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same time you know we've got what a year or two earlier we got demolition man where he seemed to be very gracious with
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Wesley Snipes I think James Woods is just ice when I saw his movie let's just
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be honest James Woods he he handed up absolutely this is a hammy movie but he did a great job as a bad guy and every
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scene that he was in it was not boring no he James was killed at this movie yeah well and that's the thing a lot of
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people complain about especially like I don't know why I'm gonna start talking about Pro Wrestling but I'll start
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talking about Pro Wrestling where a lot of wrestlers you know they prefer to be the bad guy because when you're the the
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good guy you know you can't do any of the cheap [ __ ] that the bad guy does so
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you know you can't kill the kid right not that anybody wants to kill kids but you know you know there's more meat on
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the bone so to speak what I think it's more fun to be the bad guy sure it's more fun and you can you have more more
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room to overplay not over play but you have more room to to really stretch the
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boundaries of how hammy you want to go when you're a bad guy right I will say
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that I think there's probably just the right amount of James Woods in this movie yeah absolutely and speaking of
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James was we got we got Jonathan Howell here on our chat saying hi and chiming in
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he said that James Wood should die in a fire I guess
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Jonathan's my buddy I guess he's not a James Woods fan and then Jeff ferry
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chimed in here so he goes I watched the 20 minutes of the specialist and then inhaled liquid chlorine to try and
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forget all right so that's good stuff
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yep should be on here with us like I can invite him in any time he wants to jump
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in but Jonathan really does not like James he's sorry for calling that Jonathan hell out here but he says that
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James was is a garbage human eye well there was something going on with James wasn't there I can't remember he's very political right now and we're
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in a very very contentious political climate and everybody got very passionate views
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that's right I'm Canadian I forgot I'm the only Canadian here you know we who's
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running your country again what's the name to go that's your president I can't I got rid of people so I don't know
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anything that's going on you're a smart man Doug all right so let's jump to
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Miami present-day and Lucy's semester slow and he goes or a quick he goes to a
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phone booth to pull out his portable laptop I looked it up it's called like a
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I figure what's called it's like a message board early this is like penis say again BBS bulletin board system
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that's right thank you that was a weekend warrior yeah okay so boy that's right that was the name
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that's right the name of his webpage or whatever - how to contact him the a-team probably would have used this
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had they been around in the 90s I think yeah if you need help and you know how to find them yeah you know what I love about the a-team is like these guys were
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on the run for the government who had access to every way to find them but you know Miss Jones around the corner market
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could hire these guys but the government could never somehow find these guys you
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know what I mean but miss Jo mrs. Lee who runs the corner market say oh I need help you know I'll call the a-team and
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they'll help me like I don't know why they just didn't pretend to be a owner and hired a team to catch them that way
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but anyways this is the 18 minute everybody well you know we do go on
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tangent so I do apologize for that so well the other thing was Hannibal's disguises as well that they were always
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like the worst disguise in the world was like you might as well just put on like Groucho Marx Marx glasses that's gonna
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say with the fake mustache and the big nose
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all right we got your house just going on about woods let's just give him the let's give him his Avenue here he goes
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woods ripped Google and April saying that at Lowe's or the Google Lowe's Christians and after he noticed that
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there was no animated doodle on its homepage celebrating Easter okay oh wow a fan of the a-team though oh yes yeah
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hey Jonathan thanks for listening keep chiming in but we don't get to too political here alright um I want to give
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him a proper shoutout he absolutely hosts the minute impossible which died sex the Mission Impossible movies one
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minute at a time nice that's awesome Jonathan's a buddy of mine hey Jonathan
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any friend of Ducks is sort of a friend of mine I love dog before we get to the
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phone booth like when they when the title cards start popping up in a first
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thing you see is like that neon neon sign the neon graphic of the girl
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smoking the cigarette right this crap is what I think of when I think of Miami weather its 1993 whether it's 80 1982
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whether it's 2018 that crap then the palm trees like the the church with the
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the Open button shirts halfway down that chest sounds like I didn't wear my shirt
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with the chest today Craig Brooke has
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live from Miami oh yeah classic Miami no
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no I was gonna say that inglorious Stefan yeah
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alright so did you catch the speed that the BBS was operating at fourteen point
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four kilobytes per second that's awesome blazing is that fast enough to do
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anything now well it's a fast enough to hire sly so this is really this is
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really confusing because I guess were we we have to kind of retro actively figure
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out Stallone and Sharon Stone's character their relationship because it's not really explained why they're
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sex chatting with each other right away you know we think that like we don't get right away oh they haven't met yet
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there's no like it what it's just taken one simple piece of dialogue in their initial conversation of you know I keep
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I think she kind of hints that like are you gonna take this job or not type thing but they didn't there's still my kind of clear how long this is
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happen because anyways it's unclear even after seeing this again for the second time or whatever I was like what is
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their relationship I even wrote that down at the beginning like what is their relationship to each other and I was
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finding myself wasting too much obviously too much energy on their relationship because it doesn't really matter but I just love how the first
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before I forget the first half of this movie after we see Stallone get the crap
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kicked out on by James Wood we never see Stallone talk until he's on the phone again with James Woods we did all we do
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is have an over a voiceover until the hour and seven-minute mark of him just like basically talking to Sharon Stone
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on the phone but it's a voiceover of him like doing things behind the voice know
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when's the bus scene oh yeah hold my glasses okay alright when did that when
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it's the load turn of the swar snagger what in 1993 I guess so alright so
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whatever it is so the weekend warrior for our listeners who maybe haven't seen the film the weekend warrior is the name
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of Ray quicks website that people can I guess contact him say hey can you I want
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you to kill somebody for me but can you blow them up it almost felt to me like
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the weekend warrior was more of just like a an online system for assassins to
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to take work obviously part of the also there was other people so you had a
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sniper specialist you had a strangler specialist idiot a guy who blew I mean
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in my experience with BBS is that it that was sort of my take away and his experience with assassins the last time
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I hired and they said just you put it out to the weekend warrior site and
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whoever is interested in the job will take it so for our listeners we should explain the reason why ray quick is a
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specialist is because he's able to make bombs so pinpoint their spy I can't do this
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we're in way over our head here can somebody else please explain the
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specialist job please because I can't he's able to direct the explosion so it just blows up the intended target and
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not anybody else around [Laughter]
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okay can you say again Craig there's listeners and your self included who like this these are things you have to
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look past Ryan yeah oh crap well if I capably get passes or go to the credits okay well what I don't
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understand is why didn't he just rig this bomb and I you know under 12 seat at home or on his doorknob at home like
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why does he have to do it at a pub like why make that risk well sometimes you also have to send a
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message okay Craig look at Craig rain in the sin thanks try trying to keep down
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the goofiness here I just finished reading my heard you paint houses which is the story of this Irish mob guy Frank
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Sheeran who basically confessed to killing Jimmy Hoffa and they're actually
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making a Netflix movie with Robert DeNiro Joe Pesci and Al Pacino called
32:32
the Irishman which is based on that story but so having just finished that there's a lot of mob hits in that book
32:38
so you know it's like this one was done to deat show and so a lesson and that's why it was done here so all right well
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he definitely was send out a message but I think the message still would've been received when you know mafia guy wanted to show up to work the next day and they
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go to his house and he's blown to smithereens on his doorstep without risking you know the public well the
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other thing is it's like any time a mafia guy gets killed you know you're like well it finally happened right you
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know it's not like a postman getting killed or something okay we're getting ahead of ourselves to the kill because
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what's happened right now is they're talking on the phone raised like I don't know man I don't
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know honey I don't want to do this hit because it's just it's just too much going on with this noise and I want you
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to and then he finds out somehow Sharon so yeah so Sharon Stone's character when she was a child she witnessed the death
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of her parents this is like comic book trope you know would witness the death of her parents at the hands of Eric
33:37
Roberts now little side note here Sharon Stone was 36 in this film and Eric
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Roberts was 38 but Eric Roberts was an adult when she was a kid so two year old
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Eric Roberts blew her parents on the eye I know we're gonna get to it but how
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glorious is Eric Roberts hair in this movie oh my god so his physique Musique
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it was pretty standard it pretty I have a whole segment dedicated to Eric Roberts clothing here okay why don't you
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just why don't our crabbers for our non and form listeners happens to be the brother or Julia Roberts yeah was he
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supposed to be Cuban yeah yeah I mean his father did you hear his father's
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accent okay tell me that's right I said
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that the Rod Steiger character was across between Scarface and the Godfather it just seemed like a dude
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that picked up a Cuban accent from living in Miami yeah Rob's tiger by the way was born in New
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York so that whole terrible South
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American accent American accent put on why was he incapable of doing his shirt
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up to bye come on you're 80 years old but that shirt up boy you earned that
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you earned that you know it's like you know there's a lot you can get away with the older you get dog what do you go
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ahead and tell us about Eric's wardrobe Oh know that this this is gonna be throughout the whole movie well okay most of the movie but when we
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get to when we get to each each little you know things let's go to the party let's go to the party we have to move
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along I want ya I just want to just touch on how bad the dialogue here is it's everywhere so ahead but her like
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you know when um still there right quick pretty much s her like when she's gonna get over it
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and right she says when you kill those three bastards and and and I never
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thought blood would be so sticky I wrote that to you of blood is so sticky oh man
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that's so powerful what a powerful image now has she never had a bleeding nose
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has she ever to cut her finger like my fort y4y old nose a blood sticky she's
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36 years old and I had no idea the blood gets sticky when it gets dry
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what would it oh yeah so at the party we get when we meet Tomas we meet Ned or we
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see Ned - right yeah there - now we know that Ned is working for the family I
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guess yeah yeah like we just seem to they know each other right but we find out later that yes I get hired
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oh yeah yeah but uh you know right off
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the bat we can see that there's tension between Ned and Tomas right um what Ned
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confronts Tomas and says you know what the dark ages are the dark ages are what I brought to Leon family out of Diddy
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it's so it's so stupid it's we're supposed to be this is some big crime conglomerate family these guys are
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running Miami you know these are these are this is the family that runs Miami
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that's what we're led to believe Craig even quiet we have been pounding all
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over this movie sorry no it's fine I'm just admiring uh you know the breakdown
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of their grot Roberts wardrobe I mean this one this isn't so bad
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you know he's wearing a suit it's Miami we're innocent here a loved one Eric
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Roberts introduces himself to Sharon Stone and he goes I take what I want
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like like oh dude okay like has any girl gone look gone like oh man this man is
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assertive I got I'm going home with this thing yep says a lots happened since you were gone
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sir like what like me yeah I've happened since you were gone now
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now guys here's where I'm gonna probably defend Sharon Stone for the first of
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many times but I actually think that I know there's been talk and I don't remember we did a lot of talking
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together leading up to putting this episode together but I remember mention of Sharon Stone phoning it in I believe
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that's the stance one of you guys took right uh no it was somebody on the show
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somebody on the thread but I think she I think she she's definitely invested in
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this movie it doesn't feel like she's phoning it in or taking the money and running and there's a senile reference
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at the towards the end of the movie where I think she really shows some some good acting chops I'm I'm not a huge
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Sharon Stone fan by any means but I do think that you know when she was in her
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prime acting years or whatever from what let's say basic instincts to casino
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whatever whatever that time period was yeah she was nominated for what a Golden
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Globe she's got two Golden Globes in this film no but I I mean I think I look
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you know what rod steiger's accidental aside I don't think there's many bad
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performances in this movie from principal actors not counting guys that
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are pushing keypads and stuff no you're right you're absolutely right but the acting itself isn't bad like meaning
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sure I actually didn't know something Sharon Stone pulled in yeah you know here's the irony is because they're
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acting okay let me so I totally agree with you the acting was not bad at all in fact that's what made the story such
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a contrast to the act in the acting they brought good acting to a really contrived weak poorly edited show so I
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feel like there was a better movie there that was trying to come out and for some reason it didn't happen is that the directors fault probably
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well John Shirley wrote the novels in the Alexandra C Rose wrote the
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screenplay yeah from what I'm looking at right now a girl yeah Alexandra I guess I'll say you know
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as far as the actors are concerned you can only work with what you're given right you're giving poor dialogue you
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can you can deliver it as professionally as you possibly can it's still gonna
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come off like cheesy yeah that's what happened here yeah so I'll agree with you that the performances isn't what I'm
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going after here but I enjoyed it I enjoyed I did so here's the thing I
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enjoyed Eric Roberts I loved Eric Carr I love a good be actor and Eric Roberts is
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one of the best B actors out there highly underutilized I could watch Eric Roberts at anything okay let's be honest if Eric Roberts is
40:45
in a movie that's crappy he makes it better by being Eric Roberts in that
40:50
movie true that's coming soon the Eric Roberts cast oh man we'll take we'll take our five viewers
40:57
and get maybe three anyone out there anyone they want to catch the cat's name
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no timer timer ok perfect says yeah yeah
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well course you know and what's the deal with the Oh like it shut here's another trope you know we have the strong silent
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type but he's tender to animals you know mm-hmm yeah I think he took it astray you
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didn't take it astray that was some lady's cat down the street that she never saw again yeah he stole he's like
41:30
was like what what makes it think it's a stray man do we this bus fight was bus
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fight yeah everyone everyone knows the bus fight let's talk about that well so this is really I don't know how much
41:44
time is it elapsed in the movie but this totally feels like podcast episode of
41:50
tiny this feels to me like an executive was reading the script and he's like wait it's been 15 pages since James
41:57
Woods beat up Stallone we need an action scene here absolutely so the scene isn't
42:04
to determine that ray quick doesn't like knives because he uses a knife at the end of the movie but so
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I mean this seem unless it was to give
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Stallone some physicality that he might have demanded because he doesn't get to be incredibly physical in this movie
42:23
until the until the end or a studio executive saying we need more action
42:28
this is too boring totally the action thing right it's a it's a set up scene
42:34
where we see the powerful ray quick take out five Punk's on the banks that don't
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exist in real life yeah there was another thing nobody behaves that way no and I really wish
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that he had jumped in to beat up those guys they were heard like sexually harassing a girl he's like yeah you know
42:54
I'll let that one slide but a pregnant lady does get a seed that's where he you know brings out the hammer you know I
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thought that was really kind of it wouldn't be written that way today but 1994 the girl being sexually harassed in
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the bus he turned his back on that and he only got upset when the pregnant ladies sea got taken by one of the guys
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that was doing so they were just setting up these guys were creeps that they were jerks but he in today's writing he would
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have already beaten them up for sexually harassing a girl yeah but the other thing in and I've talked about this probably on sly cast I know I've talked
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about it on other podcast I've done is you know it's always hard in like a Stallone movie or a Van Damme movie or
43:33
Swart Nagar movie for these guys to get like bullied you know like I get on that
43:39
bus and the guys might say hey let's let's screw with this guy but I mean by no means was Stallone as at his biggest
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here but still he was a guy that was fit it doesn't he doesn't fit the profile of
43:52
somebody that you're gonna bully right right it's just always another thing
43:57
that bothers me in movies like this it's like Steven Seagal would walk into a bar and you'd be like okay six guys are
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gonna give him a hard time and he's gonna kick their ass one thing they got
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right is the the guy that was sitting there that jumped in the pregnant lady's seat and was Tom to go piss off he
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wasn't making eye contact room and that's what what little jerk-offs who wants some kind of confrontation they
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don't make eye contact does this look off into the distance a go screw yeah that bus work - because he
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flips that guy and it's such a tight flip it's like Cirque du like Cirque du Soleil flip like like it's such a tight
44:38
it's like a high diver flip he's so compact in that flip what keep
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it wide well well this is the same guy that can like precision point explosive
44:48
so he can do the same because the tossing people he had a little help from
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the guy cuz you know you don't just grab somebody's like I'm flipping backwards over a chair like that okay the other
45:03
thing and this is again this is pre born identity pre Mission Impossible movies
45:10
last like few of them they and even the fastest furious movie so this is not really slice fall but sly has always
45:16
been limited by his fighting skills in the movie movies and I and it's unfortunate because Matt Damon's not a
45:23
fighter like Matt Damon is an actor Sylvester Stallone is an actor but one
45:29
of the biggest Christians I have of a slice action films is and it's not his
45:34
fault but whoever they hired to do the fighting i weirdly wish they would bring in kind of a mixed martial it got better
45:41
with Expendables films I think they did a better job with that but it's you can kind of see that old 90s and 80s
45:46
fighting here he's just like heavy punched the face heavy punch to the gut hi-yah huh yeah you know it's just like
45:54
he's just that brute force there's no finesse and again it's just 24 years ago filming compare it to to today but yeah
46:01
and this cop was glaring in this scene with the bus fight which is more of this heart punches to the head and do you
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think they're I mean I I love that final kick through the window which is just
46:14
awesome but do you think there was a character reason that he he took the bus
46:20
everywhere it would suggest that he didn't want to deal with being in a you know having a car that could be be
46:27
identified I think it's the show that he's kind of blending with the people card the track even though like they
46:34
figured out the buses have a schedule and I love how he does you know he he
46:40
beats these guys up because this guy took the pride of ladies seat which is ironic cuz now he's just sort of got out
46:45
of the window they're gonna stop the whole bus empty out the bus everyone has to go on a new but like he's ruined them he's ruined the experience for the whole
46:52
people that want to go to work that day he he really ruined the day for everybody you know somebody had to had a
46:58
gotta get that on their desk right somebody had to investigate that because at this point its destruction of some
47:04
public property right four or five guys got their ass kicked and hospitalized like at some point somebody has to be
47:11
trying to follow liens down on this right well this is the beauty of before cellphones nobody filmed this saying it
47:17
was an e no it was an anonymous beat up at the bus he just walks out gets his shades back on walks out all the way to
47:23
say he was wearing a hood the trisystem no doubt as their own their own police
47:28
force so there would there would be some kind of investigation some kind of incident report are you part of that are
47:35
you part of that transit police force they're big part of transit police force wasn't that like a die-hard knockoff you
47:43
know the transit cop yeah well he wasn't
47:48
a transit cop no but they would handle that alright so now we're going to the
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first date we're like on the first date with Ned and Sharon Stone's character whose name was Ray or what are we naming
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Adrian no that was her that was yeah that was ready May Monroe Adrian was her
48:07
alias which I thought was kind of weird like who wrote this movie have they not seen Rocky it's like you got an actor
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who's the most famous 94 for two films Rambo and rocky and the writers like you
48:21
know I got to come up with an alias for this character's name Adrian that will
48:29
make any connection like why would they do that I don't understand who writes these things why wouldn't they just say
48:35
color Tracey or Suzie er Pam it's definitely it take you out of the movie
48:41
moment it is because he yells yo drew could Burke here Wow what's she doing
48:46
here if anything takes you out of 1994 Tomas is nineteen ninety-four fashion
48:52
with his white shirt with the giant city graphic on the back we'll bring you right back into it Doug
49:00
bringing in the fashion the baggy white shirt so now Ned is taking quote-unquote
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Adrian that's remain I mean her alias name from may anyone is taking me on
49:14
their first date and at their first date he man handles a pizza crap out of
49:20
another mafia guide you got you know during that scene as she walks out and he said where you going uh you don't walk away from me ever it's
49:27
like okay red flag this guy might be an abusive jerk he just literally kicked the crap out of us this is their first date they just you know they just got
49:34
granted she's there because she wants to be there but I just love how he is treating her like he doesn't know why
49:40
she's there no but I love this is this is his history of treating woman right he has like you know walk away from me
49:46
ever so this guy's obviously beaten the crap out of ex-girlfriends let's just say and he's got a lot of nerve talking to her like that with that hairdo with
49:52
his what are you talking about beautiful hair
49:57
it's tease and feather and I don't know what the hell's going on there well he's teasing me with that air I'll tell you
50:04
that much I actually there was a half a second where I really thought it might have been a wig
50:10
what Stallone's hair or no Eric Roberts I believe it I don't know I don't know
50:17
any I don't know anymore we know John Travolta words know straight up wig so I have no idea it sure if it's a wig it
50:23
was a terrible one maybe either way it was a horrible haircut especially be chose it alright so okay let's go to
50:37
them talking on the phone again yeah they're talking on the phone again right and so this phone call we're led to
50:43
believe he's got like we have here in our ears so Stallone's character has this the 1990s trope that we all see in
50:49
those films you know the earpiece going down to wherever so he's talking on a wireless device where is he talking to
50:55
her from I almost thought he was listening to recordings of previous conversations yes he's not talking to
51:02
her he's listed all those disks our previous conversations that they already had oh so it's like he's replaying he's a
51:11
psychopath yes so he so he's half at this conversation and he's listening to
51:17
it again too just to hear her voice because we see him doing this really stupid workout what's this tai chi
51:24
workout that he's doing do you guys catch that weird okay that weekend no I missed that part it's like it's that
51:35
weird like hey it was slow and it doesn't have a shirt off just yeah it's been an hour to the movie we got to get a scene what he's doing this you know
51:41
like this weird Tai Chi shirts off the veins are popping and he's listening to
51:46
their phone call conversation and he's fantasizing about her being in lingerie during their conversation is that was
51:54
that a fantasy well he's he's visualizing what now she never said in the conversation I'm wearing undies and
51:59
I'm wearing I'm wearing 1994 undies but in you know he's visualizing this girl
52:07
wearing nothing but you know I know the Internet's around the corner which is tell so I hang in there man he few more
52:14
years I also thought the purpose of
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listening back to those recordings to were it was him still trying to decide
52:26
whether he was gonna you know really go
52:32
through with helping her out or get hurt or taking the job yeah he was just thinking about helping her out
52:38
he's trying to find some clue that that it's a setup or something true telling
52:44
babies analyzing it Jonathan Howell just said here fun fun Doug fact he has the
52:51
same underwear as Sharon Stone does very high cut and right up the butt crack wow
52:57
that's nice I visualized the night too as I'm talking to you that's great I wouldn't so a so he takes the job well
53:07
fast-forward your dad so he takes the job he found besides yes because you're so hot now if if May was 300 pounds
53:15
he would never have taken the job let's be honest he took the job because she looked good right we all know what well and the other thing is how selective can
53:23
ray quick be I mean he's got this this
53:29
fortified bunker that he basically lives and it's got a whole underground component with a high-tech security
53:35
system he's doing hand rec you know handprint analysis and I mean it's got
53:41
to be a pretty costly operation to be Rea quick so to see him sort of like
53:48
decide on whether to take a case or not you'd think he'd be like you need me to blow somebody up here's how much money
53:54
it is I'm gonna do it yeah I don't know why he's being so selective what is like how long is the queue for him to
54:00
precisely blow people huh okay so it's
54:06
an hour in the podcast yeah but but also and he works only in and around Miami as
54:12
well so like yeah I mean you'd think that he couldn't afford to be selective also
54:19
call me crazy if he works only in and around Miami maybe the investigators can like kind of narrow it down some kind of
54:25
pattern which would put him out there yeah so now he says he's gonna take the
54:31
job he has three rules rule one stay away from them rule 2 I call you
54:37
you don't call me and rule three if this is a setup I kill you boy he I wonder what his Yelp
54:51
reviews are you know he's also foolish
55:01
because he only takes his job after he sees the two of them I'm sorry 1994
55:07
Tomas fashioned the the baggy gray black and shirt black and gray shirt only
55:13
after he sees the two of them like dancing and him grabbing up on her ass in the club so he's taking it for the
55:19
wrong reasons too yeah okay so we're an hour in which is good this has been fun I don't want and
55:25
I don't want to stop but let's now let's just hit the high points the audience's wants to hear this they want to hear look everyone's been waiting for our
55:32
thoughts on the sex scene so let's just we're one hour in I remember when I was
55:40
1994 and I would have been 18 years old but I saw this this is pre-internet okay
55:47
old man Ryan here and so I remember watching this in the theatres I was like
55:52
okay my uh you know and never won the shower that they were in the shower
55:59
bigger than my apartment huge shower oh my god two showerheads
56:05
let's just say it wasn't the only heads going on but there's two I think we lost
56:11
great oh there is but that so okay does anybody want to talk about the shower
56:16
scene no this is just me I think our audience wants to hear our thoughts on the shower scene I gotta say that kudos
56:21
to both of them for being in the shape that they were in and nobody can ever take this blu-ray or DVD or VHS away
56:30
from sly or Sharon Stone you know this is one of those ones that slide can pop in in ten years and be like damn look at
56:37
me turn my butt and Sharon Stone I mean she you know 36 she was 36 years old in this
56:43
film tremendous shape tremendous shape and don't complaints here and it doesn't
56:49
seem like there was too much body double stuff going on I didn't research it but
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I know I don't think it was uh in fact let's talk I'm so strong was 48 in this film and yeah he was 48 and and Shannon
57:04
was sorry Sharon was 36 oh the 12-year difference not that really in Hollywood
57:09
terms not that much of difference yeah and I will say this is a pretty erotic
57:16
scene I'd forgotten it and though this was also during the time of Basic Instinct Sharon Stone's sliver that she
57:22
did and so this was kind of Sharon Stone's like you know the 90s kind of
57:28
had this moat they you know the early nineties kind of broke not these taboos but they kind of upped the ante with the
57:33
love scenes and this movie was kind of part of that like phase of Hollywood were love scenes in
57:40
the movie were a little bit bigger and you kind of expected them again pre-internet so the idea of nude actors
57:46
was quite you know quite interesting to see and I will say this seeing was had
57:52
more gratuity whether you like it or not then then the party a kitty and studs
57:58
it was very gratuitous very and and you know I was deeply upset by it
58:04
oh please okay tell me tell me why you're upset
58:09
right Sylvester Sloane to me is not a particularly handsome dude soft features
58:20
he's got a rock-hard body I'll give him that and but I mean just to see him
58:27
wrapping himself around Sharon Stone who in Basic Instinct Sharon Stone was the
58:34
focal point of it in this it was like Stallone had to be the focal point of
58:40
the sex scene and it was deeply disturbing to me I totally agree and I
58:46
love slice my most favorite quote unquote actor you know I love I love
58:53
watching them and I loved all of his movies but I will say I yeah I mean and
58:59
I'm not opposed to have seen a male buttocks and I love so it's not about that it's just like I was like that's
59:05
just like I focus on I focused on Sharon Stone as well you can hardly see Sharon
59:10
Stone though I do love how there was a scene where he straddles her yeah after
59:18
the shower
59:25
I'm not I'm not a lovemaking master okay but it's not it's not very often that
59:30
I've straddled a female she's light on her back and I think he's like yeah us
59:45
some space but he does that when they're laying in the shower to like he throws his leg on
59:51
the outside of hers like you don't yeah it's it's a really weird lights like he's posing for like a nude portrait or
59:59
something yes oh my goodness okay so I
1:00:06
was gonna say there's something else oh speaking of golden globes this movie would any Golden Globes it one summer
1:00:12
Aziz talked about the rise is that a one let me go down well it was nominated for
1:00:21
worst picture worst actor I think the Razzies are kind of cheap sometimes sure
1:00:26
I agree Sharon Stone won a worst actress for two movies this year for the
1:00:34
specialist and then also a movie called intersection which starred Richard Gere
1:00:40
oh yeah Rod Steiger was nominated for worst Supporting Actor yeah I granted
1:00:48
that one they tied Stallone and Sharon Stone for worse Green couple with Tom
1:00:55
Cruise and Brad Pitt for interview with the vampire and then also the stinkers
1:01:02
bad movies Awards it was nominated for worst picture nominated for worst actor
1:01:08
nominated for worst actor Rod Steiger and then Sharon Stone again collected a
1:01:14
a worst actress award for her her work
1:01:20
in the specialist yeah you're right it's a little bit of easy picking a little hanging fruit I guarantee you there was
1:01:26
worse acting performances from other actors during that year it's just the loans easy Sharon Stone would have been
1:01:32
easy they went else notice that the shower was golden go to your room like a scene
1:01:47
on a Goldfinger I don't know our buddy Matt Marshawn wants us to point out the
1:01:53
bottle of vodka yeah I how do you feel about that I almost hesitate to bring
1:01:59
this up especially with the me to movement uh like she didn't want to do it well yeah she didn't want to do it she didn't
1:02:06
want to do this the new one again she went I hate this I had to bring it up
1:02:12
because I know it wasn't the way the story is told it's it's I don't know no
1:02:19
no we don't know if it's true though no it is true I know I actually know the source it was actually a interview that
1:02:25
stron did on a McCool news and he took questions from people live chatting and
1:02:32
to remember that yeah it was actually really great it's like hours of like it's like one or two hours in him like giving like
1:02:37
straight up chat answers to any cool members of 2006 and somebody asked about
1:02:42
the scene and I think it sounds different when you hear the context of how the whole chat was going yes I know
1:02:48
the source Jonathan how it's on any cool news don't even question me anyway so who's this guy Jonathan go to your room
1:02:56
Jonathan how cold make love to James Woods so what's this what's this so this
1:03:01
is on set yes oh so big yeah it was on says so Stallone basically just said that it's Sharon and he's actually said
1:03:08
that she was being difficult and it you know she signed off to do this scene however you want to word it whatever the
1:03:13
she was being difficult and she didn't want to do the scene the shower scene stones like I'm taking off my clothes everyone's taking off their clothes and
1:03:20
so it took a bottle so Michael Douglas who started with Sharon Stone and her
1:03:25
body in Basic Instinct said I use vodka she took vodka for
1:03:32
Basic Instinct try using this bottled vodka for her here and so the Baka loosened her up is what it was is that
1:03:38
she got you know and so she did the scene you know a little bit of drinks in
1:03:45
her to loosen her off to make her more or less shy but the wording that she uses she goes I'm tired of doing nudity
1:03:51
well that's but to see the thing is that's why they hired Sharon Stone to be
1:03:56
the female lead in the specialists sure is if not there's a dozen other women
1:04:01
they could have cast so it was a calculated casting which the with the
1:04:07
idea that you were gonna get Stallone and Sharon Stone in a hot sexy that was
1:04:13
part of they sold the movie so yeah I of course you know and Sharon Stone's kind of an
1:04:19
unreliable narrator because she's talked about how she was duped in Basic
1:04:25
Instinct to do the shot without her underwear on which is right you're right I think I think that's what it is I
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think we have a little bit of Sharon Stone trying to no I I don't know I there might be a little bit of like I'm
1:04:37
more than a naked body and she's trying to get out of that but I assume she read the script I assume she signed on for
1:04:42
nudity that that's I I don't know the movies very well but I know that with nudity's involved it's in the contract
1:04:48
yeah yeah and and and I'll tell you this and and you know you you both have talked about it if anybody has anything
1:04:54
to be embarrassed out about in that scene its Stallone yeah yeah and his
1:04:59
goofy poses and and all the other nonsense I mean she comes out of that scene looking pretty good
1:05:05
oh she was fantastic there's no complaints whatever worries she had song
1:05:11
was stolen was definitely the the better actor and helped her make her look better well she couldn't possibly look
1:05:19
worse let's talk about Eric Roberts death how he died within his
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high-waisted baggy linen pants he's
1:05:31
wearing and no shirt yeah you know what the lesson there is just you know use the hotel room coffee don't order the
1:05:39
room surface room service espresso right but I love how may is standing there
1:05:45
just before he gets how does she know the tea cup was armed oh that's a good question
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oh yeah Jonathan how fast is he died yeah he dies so he gets blown up by the teacups omae's with them because they
1:05:57
good point because she basically reveals herself in that moment so she that was
1:06:02
sort of like she definitely knew that that was the the moment where he was gonna be baking right she's like just so
1:06:08
you know I'm the girls I'm the daughter of the parents who killed haha two years old yes she didn't even say that she
1:06:15
said May Monroe before he blows up and like like even later on it took it took
1:06:21
Joe his father like five seconds before he realized who the hell she was talking
1:06:27
about so so there's no way that he realized who she was before he died well even if
1:06:33
she gave it if she did or he did he had was it was a very short-lived that was
1:06:38
you boom you know that was that was hurt that was her main thing like you you think that they would have they would
1:06:45
have put more of an exclamation point than that well you know because ray quick aster said why were you there with
1:06:51
a teacup explosive because she was I want to see his face when he died that's that's best for me so again we don't
1:06:56
know how she knew she always is she always insinuated I studied your life very quick I know how you operate okay
1:07:03
so that was that was always said that she knew how how he operated but she
1:07:08
wanted see his face his face had no confusion no realization no emotion it was just him looking at her and boom
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that was it they didn't drive that home that's all I'm saying yeah that was the
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only flaw with his film I agree can we
1:07:26
give her can we give a shout-out to an actress in this movie that I want to see more of it was it was it the the female
1:07:31
cop that worked with James Woods holy she's hot yeah give her enough dialogue
1:07:38
to make her feel like an important character I think her scenes were cut she must have been cut I don't even
1:07:45
think she has a name I was trying to look her up I think she was cop number three hot Latino cup caught number one
1:07:51
because and I might be misogynistic here all I'm telling you is she was gorgeous and she was easy to look at and she did
1:07:57
a good job in her delivery of lies I want to know more of her acting career and I think I think whatever scenes that
1:08:03
she got cut out of was the ones that James Wood got cut off so she was kind of a victim of the James Wood scenes
1:08:08
being cut off because just seems like she was more her relationship with James Wood seems legit yeah because she even
1:08:14
gets a line at the at the end when the whole boat you know marina or whatever
1:08:19
is surrounded I don't remember what her line was but she says a line and you're just like okay random actress yeah like
1:08:26
why is that in there um I read I read somewhere in the trivia too that like
1:08:32
she was shown in the trailer as as if she was gonna have a much bigger part in
1:08:38
the movie that was the original cut with James Wood having parts of it before Sloane got his hands
1:08:45
in there what the shower scene now the
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other thing in and I watched most of this movie before my fiancee got home
1:08:57
and I watched the last explained
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something here so it was both shower scene Oh No um and and so she watched
1:09:12
the end of the movie with me and I couldn't come up with a reasonable answer and I might have been playing with my phone while this going on but
1:09:19
was there any specific reason that Sharon Stone would have faked her death
1:09:29
to make to be off the hook with Ned maybe because Mitch so we find out that
1:09:37
that her netters are supposedly working together and James Woods character yeah yeah right so because Ned wants ray
1:09:44
quick dead yeah because but the jig is up in like what
1:09:49
four minutes or something he goes you know you'd think if you're gonna fake your death what do you do you faked your
1:09:56
death and then you get out of town yeah yeah you leave a wrapper wait ray quick
1:10:02
I just wasn't sure if there was a concrete explanation cuz I said to her I was like because she wants James Wood to
1:10:08
think she's dead um and well she she had some during the course of the first part
1:10:15
of movie she started getting feelings for Ray so so she wanted I guess her deal with Ned to be off so her fig in
1:10:24
her own death was to get to get off the hook with Ned maybe she was supposed to hook up a train and then Lee no because
1:10:31
she still had to kill she no she didn't even know Jo's behind it at that time
1:10:37
[Laughter] about the short circuit right so Tomas
1:10:46
was dead off all three of the targets were dead right sure what's yellow they're all dead now let's move on so
1:10:51
she wanted to she wanted to skip town with Ray and
1:10:57
they have the hotel scene there's that big hotel scene can we just talk about we're probably thirty million dollars
1:11:03
went well I also do want to say that this is the scene where I think Sharon
1:11:09
Stone really proves herself to be a more than competent actress which is where she comes down from Ray's room and she
1:11:15
runs into James Woods in the lobby and his goons and she plays that yeah
1:11:23
completely perfect um you know the way she's responding to him the nervousness
1:11:28
that she's showcasing the way her eyes are darting around like a black widow type character mm-hmm yeah but it it's
1:11:36
perfect and I think it shows a depth of acting ability that some people just
1:11:42
never show so I think that's a performance in this in this movie at
1:11:48
least from her that I would say that's not somebody phoning it in no she you know she only folded in with her
1:11:53
conversations with Sloane but uh let's move on to uh yeah so there's a big
1:12:00
hotel scene people can watch it on YouTube you can just like Google Hotel explosion but it's pretty funny to watch
1:12:07
the pre CGI and then falling and there's the guy yeah the guys in the waters
1:12:12
abilities gonna fall and I'm saying it's like a combination of rear-projection
1:12:18
right yeah where where that really shows his age and then also you can tell it's
1:12:24
a miniature breaking off of the you know the actual piece falling into the water
1:12:31
was the most impressive but it didn't cut together with the rest of the scene well at all and who was the architect that designed
1:12:38
that I love a rake Rick already had this
1:12:45
room pre-programmed to blow up like five minutes to set that whole thing up Oh
1:12:51
Jonathas saying that scene cost forty five million dollars apparently no way they should they should have asked for a
1:12:58
refund where you getting that from Jonathan oh maybe the whole film maybe he's talking about the whole film cost
1:13:03
forty five million okay all right so that almost seems to me like somebody then like you
1:13:08
when you're when you're kidding you don't do your homework then you got to [ __ ] your way through that's how
1:13:14
that seemed felt to me yeah like the guy the special effects guy was like oh [ __ ] that's tomorrow yeah yeah so we get to
1:13:22
this now we get to the escape the rate quick has to get out of the the hotel and then fight off the goons and they
1:13:29
fight in the kitchen and this is usually I hates nice but he used one that's a
1:13:34
little that's a little bit of an odd as you said in the bus he goes oh I hate knives and that's kind of the not to
1:13:39
Rambo the Chekhov's knife payoff right here yeah he hates nice but he uses to
1:13:45
kill somebody and this is also the scene where the stunt double is standing there for like five minutes fighting did you
1:13:54
see this guy I actually put it on pause and I wash it slow-motion I'm like this guy should have got you know is he part
1:14:00
of the Screen Actors Guild because he got more face time you could almost make
1:14:07
the argument that's the lone phone didn't in this movie cuz he stopped you know he does his stunts he could broke
1:14:13
his neck doing Expendables the age of 60 something why for this movie guys was he so I'm not jumping out of anything or
1:14:20
doing anything weird to me he's 48 like
1:14:25
I said he got flipped by Steve Austin the age of 60 something 20 years later but now for the specialist he's like no
1:14:31
I want to break my nail well I mean he was a prima donna in 1984 maybe that
1:14:36
could have been it that could have been it there's a funny line I love this part here we're at the end of movie where
1:14:42
Sharon Stone's characters on the phone with ray quick and he's like you know you're gonna you know where are you and
1:14:47
she's like I want to see cuz I'm not gonna come see you because you already set me up but I don't want to kill you because you've already betrayed me and then she goes to remember Fountainbleu
1:14:55
this is the hotel right this is the hotel that they blew up okay so she goes remade it was oh it was what a day ago
1:15:05
you remember to found blue and I wrote yeah it was like 12 hours ago because it
1:15:10
was cause any response with yeah I remember everything it's like yeah I
1:15:16
remember you know me killing a few guys in the kitchen Oh duh you know in literally minutes
1:15:22
previous we had a you know one hour love scene in the shower together and I love
1:15:27
how she left the shower early because she takes off and he just gets out of the shower so she's all dried up her
1:15:33
hair is done how long was very quick in the shower for like I said he's a prima donna I
1:15:40
wonder if his nickname very quick was from his lovemaking skills I don't I was sure this is this right here this
1:15:47
part really bothers me and it bothers me about all films especially right here when she says remember the note you know
1:15:57
I meant every word of it yes and that's when he says I remember everything oh my bad yeah that's pretty says I remember everything yeah yeah but then
1:16:04
he still has to put pull the note out of his his pocket and look at it so us the 88 audience realizes yes she said oh
1:16:12
don't trust me if they spoon-feed the
1:16:17
audience and that it annoys me when they do that [ __ ] maybe the audiences weren't smart back I don't know because I watch
1:16:23
this movie with 2018 eyes where we have some very you know not complicated but very intricate you know shows like
1:16:28
breaking bad and Game of Thrones and there's a lot of stuff going on like he read the note like literally five
1:16:35
minutes ago as a viewer in the red that you saw it breathing note that says you know don't trust me ever I'm you know I'm a I'm not a woman you can trust and
1:16:44
she does remember that know what I wrote well I I met I you know I meant every word of it means if you were michael
1:16:49
creighton I have to rewind they go back a little tell see what the note say I
1:16:54
gotta run five minutes no all right so let's get to the final showdown here we
1:17:01
go boys the final showdown James Wood and the gang or at the a Drake wicks warehouse house yeah I'd actually like
1:17:08
to talk about I guess there's the one scene where they're trying to track Rea
1:17:15
cuz he calls he calls the I guess they put an alternate ad there they're not
1:17:23
able to use I guess the the weekend warrior BBS because they don't know about it so they put what like an ad in
1:17:28
the paper or something yeah yeah he's got well he's on Twitter he's on Instagram
1:17:34
this is where netra Ned flips out yeah I think I mean that's like a marquise Ruby
1:17:41
and it's great to watch you know Stallone sort of pushes buttons you know
1:17:49
and and ramped up you know Ned irate you know you get to watch Rey ramp up Ned
1:17:55
and then Majesty explodes and it culminates with him like ripping the tape off of the recorder and then the
1:18:03
the hot you know uh latin girl number three or whatever if she she says a line that I don't remember but I think that's
1:18:11
a standout James Wood scenes in yes good scene and we needed more of those scenes between Sly James I think I think so I
1:18:18
did a great job there with the phone call conversation you know I the only thing he didn't say was I'm coming to
1:18:23
get you at the end of the car he should have like squeezed the
1:18:29
receiver you know Ned lightning bolt
1:18:37
yeah but that was a good scene more of those scenes would have would have puts way more woods less I don't know less
1:18:46
well no unless the phone call conversations between sly and Sharon
1:18:51
Stone's character weren't very good they should have just met up earlier I think I think that would've been a better film to they should have met up earlier he
1:18:56
should have agreed to the mission earlier that might have tighten the film up a little bit it was the work they
1:19:01
were really kind of drawn-out weren't they yeah like we know you had a hookup but they went from like literally you
1:19:07
know talking on the phone they basically was like the longest tinder date ever it
1:19:13
was it was all like like underneath that cheesy saxophone slow sax love music a
1:19:18
horrible soundtrack the soundtrack was horrific yeah I I'm I gotta say that I'm a fan
1:19:25
though of this was made this film was made in an era where you were still getting full orchestral you know
1:19:34
soundtracks whereas nowadays unless it's a really you know unless Hans Zimmer's doing it or something you're getting
1:19:40
some guy with the synth that's just hitting patches and from you know the opening titles of this move
1:19:47
there's a nice orchestral five I don't remember any other music until we hear
1:19:52
Gloria Estefan at the end yeah you know who the supervisor was on this no Doug
1:20:00
Emilio Estefan jr. a glorious Stefan's husband now the other thing though is so
1:20:09
getting back to sort of this whole task force that might have been charged with finding who this Mad Bomber was that was
1:20:18
sort of Ned had to know that most of these bombs were being set by Ray so the
1:20:24
thing I don't understand is when Ray got on Ned's radar in Miami and how Ned
1:20:31
ended up being a cop how did he become a
1:20:36
prophet I was asking I'm just just overall like so it seems like never permit we're investigating you know what
1:20:45
he was put in by crooked chief to work on the task force I think it's what it was yeah the crooked chief put it on
1:20:52
with me was that mentioned yeah they had a meeting with Rod Steiger in this police chief it was a yeah he paid off
1:21:00
the chief early on tons of it it must have been before the bus scene when I was bored and playing with my phone what
1:21:09
the parts I love about this this scene before the before the Ned rant which which which James Woods reign is a plus
1:21:17
I freaking love it you got the the one guy oh no you maybe
1:21:24
this is after the rant it doesn't matter about the order that's why we've gotta look this is fine all right so so the
1:21:29
the other cop that's that he has listening to the audio of the phone call he's like airbrakes complex sounds
1:21:36
slightly muffled people talking mechanical sounds any rate and then
1:21:41
there goes people getting off a bus like it was a bad game of password the first
1:21:48
guy was giving them clues serious detective work yeah sounds like a city
1:21:56
people who live there I hear walking I hear some talking door
1:22:01
is open yeah it's amazing yeah that's my job actually as a sonar operator is to
1:22:07
be able to listen to sounds underwater this ice decipher of what they are so it's legit you know skill to have I guess but it's
1:22:15
the things that he was calling out I think my four-year-old could do the same thing no they me but him coming to the idea
1:22:20
that it's a bus it's a bus route what bus is he catch yeah oh yeah
1:22:26
because the delivery boy delivered for me a delivery boy yeah all right so I
1:22:31
love how at the end here where James Woods telling all the cops that are surrounded the warehouse don't shoot this place is wired don't shoot but ray
1:22:38
quick is like blowing things up everywhere like none of the explosions seem to trigger other explosions but a
1:22:44
gunshot would yeah well no I think it was also that he wanted ray quick alive so he could deliver him to Rod Steiger
1:22:51
oh look at you okay horse wants revenge
1:22:57
in person because he killed his son she will bring him to me alive
1:23:02
I love rod steiger's death in the end
1:23:14
you looking that my son so I will admit
1:23:21
the James Woods death in the pressure plate death system at the end of the movie there which is a lovely I love how
1:23:27
the pressure plates rate quick was like I don't know where they are yeah you do they're all apparently one
1:23:33
foot apart either side like a big chessboard when he tells her how to walk through them yeah but he says he does a
1:23:39
doesn't quite know where they are he goes will know where they are when they're lit up and then but then you see on the computer screen they're literally
1:23:45
like you know one foot apart or whatever like a perfect like perfectly cigarette it's like a grid system it's like
1:23:51
they're not even random yeah the other problem is I don't know if you guys picked up on this and I think this is
1:23:57
another case of poor filmmaking or poor blocking or whatever you want to call it but did anybody else expect the sort of
1:24:04
Freddy Krueger Jason Voorhees horror movie trope of like James Woods coming
1:24:10
back for one last sort of you know scare jump-scare before he's dispatched you see him sort of get
1:24:17
he doesn't get blown up he just gets thrown like I love his death scene highlight in the movie there's two
1:24:23
testings that are great first let's go by the first death scene at the parking garage with a guy that I think rocket colors up but he still at his chair okay
1:24:32
I love again how he we see earlier that Rey quick is able to you know to
1:24:39
minimize the direct the explosions you know at a club who's to see some lady was a walking her dog in front of that
1:24:46
parking garage and that explosion goes off you know what I mean because anyway so this car explodes at a parking lot
1:24:52
and he shoots up in his chair in a fireball that was actually a great like
1:24:57
an ejector seat yeah like he's still kind of like he's melted to the seat apparently because he literally rocket
1:25:03
feels out of his out of the car still attached to see but I don't think that would happen unless the explosion is
1:25:08
coming from underneath you he wouldn't shoot straight up in the air if the explosion was coming at you from the
1:25:14
side yeah well hey great quick man is precise however he does it is precise and we're taking this part of and then
1:25:23
James James Woods just seemed like Craig was saying was actually I totally agree I forgotten
1:25:29
does he come back he did no I know but this way when I'm walking so I was actually legitimately like oh they're
1:25:36
actually just he's just dead it's just kind of like he got blowing over the place he lined to come in a ball of fire and yeah he's dead yeah there should
1:25:43
have been that last bit of coverage where you even just see like you know a shot of James Woods that you know just
1:25:49
shows that you know he's he's dead I really you know I really expected him to
1:25:56
come back for that final jump scare where you know Stallone maybe has one last bomb that he activates or whatever
1:26:02
yeah I actually kind of thought that was good and then we get to rod steiger's death which was busted cherry on top on
1:26:12
top of the specialist sundae my friend has any last thoughts you guys want to
1:26:17
say about this film do we want to give it a rating you want to give it a recommendation what's your what's your final thoughts Doug
1:26:26
you know I mean for as bad as I heard that it was bye-bye you know Jeff very
1:26:32
especially I didn't hate it as much as I thought I was going to then acting wasn't my problem but I was really like
1:26:40
kind of honing in on the whole 90s cheesiness of it sure like I always said that the problem
1:26:46
in 80s movies was how over-the-top action they were but the 90s were no different no and it was I mean yet it's
1:26:53
this movie have a lot of holes absolutely but it wasn't enjoyable for
1:26:58
me like I watch it I laughed at parts that probably you know that weren't meant to be funny that I thought were and I appreciate that about a movie you
1:27:05
know it's cheesy and you know I enjoyed it for what it was all right I'll go next and we'll have Craig close it with
1:27:13
his uh I I hadn't seen this movie 24 years and I don't know what I didn't
1:27:19
know until I saw it again maybe why that was because I did see in the theaters and ivory watched a lot of Stallone
1:27:25
films and this is one that I hadn't rewashed now I can kind of see why it
1:27:30
hasn't aged that great but I've watching it through an older set of eyes now than an 18 year olds eyes right and I think
1:27:37
there's a better movie that was under there I think I know the under a better director with a tighter script with the
1:27:43
tighter tighter editing I think there was a there was a film in there that was aching to come out I don't know what
1:27:50
happened to it I really hope it wasn't due to some actor scenes getting cut out that could have been a better film I don't know but
1:27:57
that means said I recommend it as a Stallone fan you got to see this film
1:28:02
you can't be a storm fan and say you've never seen the specialist so to be it to be a Stallone fan that's my
1:28:09
recommendation if you're special small fans see this film see what it was for 1994 and I think you'll have a lot of
1:28:15
fun there was times that I literally enjoyed watching this film so Chris just before you go there Craig Chris just
1:28:22
trying to get Chris welcome to the show he says I never saw this movie now I want to thanks guys so there you go the
1:28:27
specialist man on demand this this movie's gonna make money this weekend good Ian and Jeff faeries podcasting
1:28:34
partner Chris oh okay cool yeah so I've always thought and and I'm always
1:28:41
you know sort of surprised when people Stallone fans sort of you know call this
1:28:47
one of his lesser films I think it's really hard to find a three movies in a
1:28:52
row that Stallone did that all deliver and I think with cliffhanger demolition man and the specialist they're a great
1:28:59
trifecta of films I really think that Stallone it had hit his stride after you
1:29:04
know the the missteps of of you know stopper my mom will shoot an Oscar cover
1:29:10
that one next and and the one thing I really like about this movie is it's got
1:29:17
a different feel than a lot of Stallone's movies you've got the unique
1:29:22
Miami setting but you've also got the relationship with with the Sharon Stone
1:29:27
character which you know if aside from the the Rocky movies you don't really
1:29:33
get relationships in in Stallone movies too much so I kind of like that it was
1:29:40
alone able to act with actors again which he hadn't really done since you
1:29:47
know his work probably between rocky and and and and and Rambo or whatever escape
1:29:55
to victory came out and it it feels like a story that could have been made into a
1:30:02
movie in the 70s and that's what I kind of like about it it's it's got a really unique feel for a Stallone movie except
1:30:08
for the goofy shoehorned in bus scene and and that's the thing that I've
1:30:13
always respected about Stallone is you know he'll miss a lot but you got to
1:30:19
always commend him for taking the shot and I think this is a movie where I
1:30:24
think everybody went in with good intentions and it's not a hard movie to watch it's not a boring movie to watch
1:30:31
you've got some some great performances from some really solid actors you've got
1:30:38
the great Eric Roberts fashion show glorious hair and that great Rod Steiger
1:30:46
Cuban accent this is a can't-miss movie I don't like you said I don't think you can talk Stallone films without it
1:30:52
out having seen the specialist and I think this is like I said the the end of
1:30:58
a really good three film run which a lot of actors don't even get three films um
1:31:04
you know that that you know that all the deliver or you know or even have that
1:31:09
opportunity so I think it was a really good time in Stallone's career and I
1:31:15
enjoy this movie I enjoyed watching it again and I didn't delete it off my DVR it's it's still sitting there so right
1:31:23
that's awesome before we head out guys I just wanna say thank you to both you for doing this
1:31:29
with me and me doing it with you and all I could stuff and I'm gonna throw this out if you're out the crane I'm gonna
1:31:35
throw it to you live Doug I've named this episode three Rocky podcast host one movie breakdown is this something
1:31:42
you want to do again the three of us do you want to do this again totally this was a blast
1:31:47
okay so what we can probably do is maybe in the comments on this video or on our Facebook or whatever ask the audience
1:31:53
what they want us to break down next and I think it'd be kind of fun to do and yeah it'll be and so again we got Craig
1:32:01
cohan from the slide cast podcast the Godfather of Sylvester Stallone podcast so Craig thank you for being with us and
1:32:08
we got Doug big gun doug sergeants they
1:32:13
got Doug Greenberg from he's an awesome guy he's from the rocky minutes show
1:32:19
please listen to that show the rocky minute as well so I got the side cast you got the rock a minute and of course going to discus rocky series podcast
1:32:25
thank you to all of our listeners the guys are trying to enliven think that's great and add to the show so we'll do this way again if you guys want and any
1:32:33
closing remarks guys thank you for doing this guy I know Doug and then and Ryan
1:32:38
you guys both did a lot of heavy lifting to make this happen and also it
1:32:44
continues to I continue to be inspired by the the amount of Stallone content
1:32:50
that is out there now and the options that people have when any of our shows
1:32:55
are idle there's always somebody out there that's putting out new content between you two guys and all the
1:33:02
excellent work that Matt's doing with with all it is Reb mania related stuff so you know just cuz
1:33:11
one of us goes quiet for a little bit doesn't mean there's not somebody else out there you know offering up great
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content and if you haven't listened to the the first season of Rocky minute make sure you do because you're gonna
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hear every member of the side cast you're gonna hear Ryan and and and Ryan with the going the distance podcast they
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think you guys did something really unique and really fun and it's just awesome I always been inspired and and
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you know the amount of friends I've made through podcasting is immense and to
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have this even like insulated Stallone podcast community is even cooler and I'm
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so happy to be part of it and I love chat with you guys it was so much fun awesome man I've that's awesome let's
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hang on that note ding ding