Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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[Music] it's another side that like wants to take more it wants to go that one more round
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because i go in a woman around when you don't think you can
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that's what makes all the difference in your life you know what i mean
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[Music]
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welcome to another episode of one more round the rocky series podcast this is episode 7 as we continue our rocky
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journey we're all back together again kyle welcome back from your vacation thank you it's good to be back from my
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long exile katie and i did an okay job holding down the fort there was a couple times so i
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can't remember the exact topic there's a couple times where something came up i wish kyle was here it was like a boxing thing or something remember i don't know
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what the subject was katie but i do i recall yeah i just remember thinking
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this is what kyle comes in handy among other things well that's of course
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kyle comes in handy yeah my primary role is just raw sexual energy to the [ __ ]
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but you know it sometimes some knowledge stuff comes in handy too
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katie how are you doing today i'm good as i was just mentioning i stayed out too late last night so the coffee is
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coming in handy okay okay so what i have in my hands here is uh the rocky trivia
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book and this was uh i made a little youtube video on it so there's a few people listening to this episode who already know what i'm talking about so
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just bear with me because there's quite frankly there's more listeners of the podcast and who watch my stupid youtube channel this book is called the rocky
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trivia book and it was put together by a young gentleman named rocco now i wanted to get the proper
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pronunciation of this last name maybe one of you guys can get the last name pronunciation that m-u-s-c
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you're bad with italian stuff so i is how i would guess okay so i'm gonna put the link of
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course i think i'm gonna do it every episode uh on our show notes the link to the book because we're gonna use this
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book on every episode what we're gonna do is we're gonna ask five questions and i'm gonna ask them to you guys play along at home please by all means you
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can write it the answers on a little piece of paper and at the end of the episode we are going to reveal the
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answers and some of them are you know no offense to rocco some of they're very easy but already there's a couple like i
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i don't know the answer so so what we'll do is is we'll see between us three hosts you know who got the
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right answer we can keep score if you'd like and at the end of the season we'll see who the winner is or what have you
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this is a fun little way to play along but what's cool about this book so rocco is put this together when he's 11 years
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old that's amazing rocco love that you're a rocky fan already wow that's impressive and what's also
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cool is his father enzo is the one that of course showed him the rocky series which goes without saying but i want to
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read an email so i put that video on youtube i unboxed my rocky trivia book and i read it out loud i actually found
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out as i read it out loud like my reaction to the book that it was done by a young child no offense rocco 11 is
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young and i'm like that's crazy like isn't it so cool he did this and he put this on amazon and
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and what have you so this is from his father to me goes ryan first i'd like to say thank you for unboxing the unboxing video with the
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rocky trivia book was greatly appreciated i think this will be an exciting addition to already great job the team is doing with one more round
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podcast i would like to connect the dots for you to clear up any confusion i have been a day one
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subscriber on your original podcast going the distance and we have talked actually via twitter
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many times over the years because my name there is e m king i'm like oh because you know people oh
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yeah yeah he's a very faithful contributor to twitter and but i've never known you know people don't tell
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me the real life names what have you i guess i've doxed it now it's enzo the father
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but that's great he goes i'm rocco's father and yes he was 100 named after rocky that's amazing
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i'm just amazed that an 11 year old writes a book i'm thinking back to when i was 11
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having to write a short story or something you know it was like respect absolutely indeed yeah you don't
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want to know what i was doing in 11th grade the same thing [Laughter]
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enzo goes on to say that oh yeah we forgot we have rocco in the channel here uh his dad goes on to say that i sent an
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email that you and kyle read on going the distance a few years ago it goes keep up the amazing job and one more
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round you guys are doing great sorry for the long email that was not long at all were you not there when we had to break
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up break up cecho's email in three parts [Laughter]
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dissertation oh so he says here rocco started the rambo book and he says
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yeah and he says he needs to get it done before we finish season one of the rambo podcast there you go thank you enzo
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there you go that's amazing because weren't you inquiring ryan if he had seen the rambo movies because of his
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young age that's right that's right so oh that's right thank you katie he's responding to the youtube video yeah so
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that's right get on that rambo that's the perfect age 12 you know come on 12 that's great great violence uh rocco
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enjoy the violence my friend it's rambo violence so it's okay one more email this is from donald he's in our discord
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right now so if you haven't already folks join our discord it's a lot of fun we've got bronco the author of the rocky trivia book inner discord listening to
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us live right now as we record we've got donald we've got louise and it's great because you get to join the chat you know interact with us as we record fun i
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think it's great but donald he sent us an email and if you want this link dear listeners just send us an email to
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one more round rockypodcast gmail.com and the email is in our show description if you need to go see it donaldson sent
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us an email saying that he has been given permission to share a link to a google drive
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and he says here dear ryan kyle katie i'm happy to report that a second and you could almost say final
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rocky iv fan edit now exists a fan editor known only as zac b i think he
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might be following me on twitter has created what he calls the rocky iv the complete cut this new cut clocks in at
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one hour 54 minutes with the editor's permission he's included the google drive link for everyone to enjoy
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appropriately this makes four different cuts of rocky iv great news for fans donald so i have that link anyone that
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wants to link uh send me an email so it's a combination of the different cuts and the two hour mark that's perfect for
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me i would like a two hour rocky four i think it'd be kind of fun to watch i did watch a little bit of it when i got
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the link i just haven't had a chance to sit down and watch the whole thing but i see yeah what they've done is they've combined the old rocky first so you got
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the robot you've got the new policy everything's there so that's what we kind of talked about should have been the very beginning everything's there
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nothing's deleted everything's in there looking forward to it in my absence did either one of you
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do the bum count we totally forgot about it or i did anyway um
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i don't think the bar there was no bum they were in the no okay well okay listeners anyone who's
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listening if you care to audit that episode and let me know if there's any i'm gonna
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put zero for now but if you caught any bums that we missed please let me know
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or let ryan know the email and i will tabulate it here yes thank you for that reminder yes
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okay so speaking of tabulations i'm ready to go here with the rocky questions number one so write it down no
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class answers write this down be honest with yourself at the end of the episode we'll read the answers okay we need to write this down
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okay all right or just be honest you know okay okay no class answers nobody
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nobody say anything in discord number one who says you want the bird go out in the alley and eat the bird okay so there
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you go that that might be a softball i think that might be a softball but they get harder trust me guys they get hurt
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he's building the confidence maybe he falls to confidence all right number two what does rocky answer back
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when adrian asks him why he wants to fight that's a great question
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i love that great scene in the movie number three all right here we go now we're gonna see
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boy he doesn't he doesn't hold up it amps up pretty quickly what is the name of the fighter who broke his hand
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and dropped out of the fight with creed oh don't say it don't say it oh oh yeah all right you haven't got me yet rocco
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okay number four who does rocky work for he's
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trying to build our confidence again after number three there and lastly this one actually had to kind of think
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about i was like god what round did rocky knock apollo down in that first fight
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that's a good question i like that one that's a good question it is a good question all right so great questions rocco i
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love it already i'm like some are hardball some are softballs thrown together and they don't quite go in chronological order of the film which is
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great i love it great job bronco so at the end of the episode we'll reveal the answers and we'll see how everyone did okay so kyle
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just had to step out for a moment but we'll just start the film here because i think that's we're done our housekeeping
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where you've we're ready to go you ready ready to go okay here we go i'm not ready where's my play button there we go
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i'm going to take a shot go away of course just had the last uh episode
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of rocky at the bar and the bartender was mad about being insulted or what have you now this
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scene here of rocky walking outside after his visit at the bar that's actually
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the first steadicam scene of the movie okay i'm done what's the steady cams the
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steadicam was the camera invented and first used yeah yeah sorry no that's
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okay that's okay so yeah of course deal with rocky running up the steps it doesn't jostle as he runs up the steps
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you can track him yeah so this actually this shot here of him just walking down the alley is the first use of the city cam in this film or
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the first time we see it being used and you wouldn't think much of it but him going down the alley than him walking
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that's them using a city camp tracking as well okay
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so i love the captions you're getting some dialogue here that i did buy us some thunderbird man that was
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from little marie yelling that kyle do you want to google thunderbird alcohol and see what maybe what the content might have been or what it was or i
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certainly can i wonder if it's some kind of grain alcohol yeah i'm imagining a
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40-ounce bottle of this like malt liquor it was fortified wine most popular in
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the 80s and 90s it's alcohol by volume is 17 and a half percent the wine is
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typically i think around 13 percent so i'll give or take a bit if you're drinking to get buzzed thunderbirds the
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way to go because i don't know if marie and the people on the corner here are a social drinker so to speak
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[Laughter] now it's interesting though because i i thought those guys i always had those
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guys who's trying to like sell rocky wine he's like how about a bottle and he's like no wine no why now he's not
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there like they had a little business there in the corner but i guess really they're trying asking rocky to buy them
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wine the age at this time was what 18 probably
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i don't know if these are law abiding kids though meaning that they couldn't buy it themselves oh yeah somebody to buy it
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for them they're not yet 18 is my guess my dad used to buy underage people wine
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in the 70s it was more acceptable back then
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we needed people like your dad kyle yeah exactly i love how everyone just barks at rocky they're just like
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it's like jeez which i guess you know nothing else better to do now the blonde hair kid yelling there there's a one
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blonde hair kid wearing the brown pants that's actually john g albertson's nephew in real life
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really look at you with all this fun fact knowledge yeah i'm so smart i feel like there was
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more of this kind of stuff back in the day people just hanging out on a street corner you don't see that quite as much
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now everyone's on their phones or inside or something like that i always had a sense of apprehension
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if i'm walking alone like the way rocky is and there's like a group of people who are bored
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in a street corner because you know they're going to say something to you right yeah they're going to
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ask you for something or make some kind of comment towards you you know there's got to be something
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or just like a group of punks up to no good yeah if i were the store owner i would hate
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it maybe this was before or it's maybe just too overwhelming that he's probably asked them to leave a bazillion times
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and they won't but loitering uh is illegal in a lot of places no loitering signs maybe they didn't have
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those then hair seems like they have bigger fish to fry in this trail
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if you're in suburbia you know the cops are bored you know this is the highlight of their night breaking up this but yeah
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probably the cops don't care and then the store owner he isn't going to move five or six teenagers
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i remember being a teenager and when lord erin was a real thing yes especially like outside 7-eleven those
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corner stores what have you and they would have the no loitering sounds and when i was younger younger i thought they were misspelling littering oh
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that's funny yeah and i didn't know what does loiter mean and then i found out what loiter
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meant and then they started playing what like elevator music outside of 7-elevens to kind of discourage kids from hanging
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around they play like classical elevator music outside seven levels at least in my neck
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of the woods to kind of just we didn't want to listen to this boring music to kind of discourage kids to
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hang around when i go on business trips to different places i'll go to uh tim hortons which is kind of like for you
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americans like dunkin donuts okay in canada homeless people always hang outside the tim hortons a lot of them in
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places where there's lots of homeless people will blare annoying music outside the tim hortons which by the way
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doesn't work they just tolerate it yeah if you could tolerate being homeless you could probably tolerate annoying music
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yeah [Laughter] does your brother know you're hanging
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out so late okay these guys
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physically grabs little marie you know she curses them out it's a pg movie but we can assume in the real world of rocky
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she probably told an f off because she says you know screw you and what have you you know did your brother you know
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who taught you to talk like that kind of thing so we know that she's probably cursing for real real but i love how he physically grabs her by the arm pulls
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her away from the boys it's funny though those guys are mouthing them off but you
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notice none of them are doing anything about it right because they all know better they know they could talk tough
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because they probably figured out rocky has no interest in beating them up but rocky would easily tune up that entire
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corner guys and they know it they all probably know gazo and that rocky works for gazzo so
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it's very um noticeable to me now that little marie is literally wearing pigtails so she's like a small child i'd
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say these guys are probably three to four years older than that that's my guess as well
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so the actual play by little maria corsis her name is jody letizia i don't know if anyone remembers but reuben and
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i on going the distance we looked up her she had a web page she actually had a webpage
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and reuben and i read live her description on her home or her web page
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we roasted her pretty hard was it an updated page or was it thrown
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up once upon a time and never touched again exactly on a whim you know preparing for this episode i went back
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to see i wonder if that page is still up and it's down now oh yeah if you probably want to pay the
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hosting fees or the domain or whatever it is maybe she heard our or someone gave her a win
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because it's down now you're right you mean but it wasn't updated even you know a few years ago or two years ago whenever that episode was it wasn't
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updated them you're right but maybe the fees finally got cancelled or whoever was hosting but it's gone now but uh if
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i was a casting director could they have picked a more unattractive child to play little marie i'm sorry i know she's just
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a kid in here but it's just like they want realism right yeah i like that she looks like she looks
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like a kid right 12 year olds are typically pretty awkward looking right but some are more awkward looking or
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weirder looking than others and i believe we see marie as an adult in the uh
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cut scenes to rocky five he's around like a burning trash barrel i'm pretty sure that actually is her
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two things well we have rocco from the author of the rocky trivia book in our chat he's 12. uh rocco come on is she
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funny-looking be honest and also uh louise says here that he said that was an old-time
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classic episode the one where we talked about our website thanks uh thanks louise for that i knew there was something kyle you
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actually showed that clip to me of mike tyson
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there's a clip that kyle sent me where mike tyson is talking about how insulting it is to be called a can of
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tomato now granted he's saying the can of tomato but still the vegetable tomato i think is the idea not that it's a
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canned form he talks about how insulting it is to be called a tomato if my mentor
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called you a tomato can that be that's worse than calling you a [ __ ] that's just some bad stuff in boxing and
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somebody listen the way i grew up my trainer he's from people in 1908 there's nothing worse
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than a tomato can to him if he calls you a dominican he has no respect for you
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your life your mother i don't know why i don't know what the freezing is because the tomato can won't give it won't it
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won't boom you can just push it you could blow it over it won't resist nothing just [ __ ] can't use this
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mike tyson's mentor and trainer customato who is the legend in the boxing community
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who's well respected and if cuss called you a tomato or tomato can that was pretty bad
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cos was definitely used as inspiration for mickey like the angel on your shoulder thing that's a custom auto
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thing oh there's a lot of that we almost alone draws from real life
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uh inspiration there's a fine line between playing homage and ripping off
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i think he dances that line a little bit but he sucks and jives and he slips the jab a little when it comes to real life
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yeah i know but as soon as i just i was scrolling through tick tocks our youtube shorts and i came across
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that just out of the blue i shouldn't say that because the algorithm knows what i like and what i don't but
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i was like holy [ __ ] i gotta share this that's awesome so he's like explaining that it's worse than the n-word to be
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called that because essentially you don't care there's literally zero cares or respect
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with the tomato can you just can kick it down the curb the n-word there's like passion behind it so that you actually
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care so that was kind of how mike tyson talked about it and i had never heard that before it must be a thing okay you
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see that thing about tyson on the airplane he beat up that drunk kid yeah
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i love it too yeah and what's great is tyson never got criminally charged there's no jury in the world that would charge him the videos proof that he got
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antagonized antagonized antagonized and tyson's like oh my gosh and just no one's like yeah
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tyson even offered him magic mushrooms to calm down which is hilarious he's like
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yeah i got these illegal drugs on there
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do you want to take some drugs with me to calm down all right so now uh rocky's accosted
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little marie and let's hear their conversation
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[Music]
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i'll make your teeth y'all don't do that i got your teeth here you see that hurts truck in the
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background there that's actually a film crew truck oh yeah they did it
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yeah they didn't they just didn't move it is there anything that you guys notice or would comment on about them walking
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specifically her she almost seems like masculine yeah she walks
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there's a very distinct way of walking a swagger i got a skywalker a very wide
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stance there's a word for it it's just like i shouldn't say it but i would just say it she like walks like she's got a
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stick up around oh oh not even really bending her knees i don't know i've always thought that
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she has a weird way of walking it's me it's not like she walks like a guy that's what i take at least
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yeah i mean back then they'd call it a tomboy right yeah she certainly does have a tomboy vibe she's dressed very
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much like that yeah but that's where rocky's gonna come in with some wisdom hanging out with those coconuts well
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it's interesting too rocky was saying like when when he was 12 there was only one girl in the
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neighborhood talk like that going back to when rocky's 12 that would be
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uh 1958 is it really was he born 46 that sounds about right i always think of the
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50s is more of a wholesome time or at least it appeared to be as such you
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don't know what goes on behind closed doors he was very much had the outward appearance of being a wholesome time
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so to me i would say in the 1950s if a girl's talking like that it could be quite unusual
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probably in the late 70s not so much i wonder who that one girl was what's her story maybe
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maybe she's the first woman that paulie's better up with yeah oh yeah
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it could have been the pregnancy yeah maybe but i think it's a little bit younger this is when i was your age right so i don't think rocky was set up
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then with a pregnant 12 year old girlfriend
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yeah yeah yeah yeah that that's true too but i have a theory it was gloria gloria
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was the one that oh my god
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yeah she just has their like low-key roast gloria
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i see the 50s in the suburbs as being this perfect little like white picket fanciness
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but i would imagine a neighborhood like this it would be eatnicks or greasers or
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i don't know i feel like i've only heard that in movies but no there was not an easy time i like that no i mean this is
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back when you could literally hit your wife across her face at the supper table known about deny i mean that was kind of
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those days where you could there was very little policing of abuse in the home and so there was probably a lot of
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reason why these kids hung out outside their houses and stuff the physical abuse was rampant we talk about
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all the good old days we i would argue even today that i think parents are better now than they were 50 years ago
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way better yeah way better in my mind no question i hear stories from my grandma
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from like the 30s and it was just unreal but anyway i don't know the 50s would
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have been a better time in this part of the city than the 70s oh that's true that's a good point the uh when you mention the suburbs that's kind of why
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actually is because once everyone started having cars and could commute into the city people
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with good jobs moved out of the city and they commuted into work and their tax dollars stayed in the suburbs and
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not in the city and so the cities kind of decay as a result the the city probably was much
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nicer when rocky was a kid than what it is now good point couple comments for discord louise says the little marie was
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a tough broad she had to be hanging on the corners with those street toughs and then donald also said rocco is smart
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that's the author of course the rocky trivia book he says rocco was smart he's writing books and he's not hanging out
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with coconuts on the corner yeah that's so true so that's great well look at you 12 year
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olds if you want to be cool you want to make something of yourself hang out with rocco or kids like rocco the people in
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discord are also asking rocco to do a stop or my mom will shoot trivia book
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no no do not i don't remember that movie at all like in terms of if you quizzed me on it i remember really liking it as
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a kid saying i was really young when it came out i understand if i watched it now i'd probably be like
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oh my god nobody likes garbage
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anyway this girl with the dirty mouse wasn't bad looking but you see none of the guys ever took her serious you see
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they never took her off any serious date why because that's the way guys are they laugh when you turn dirty they think
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you're cute but after a while you get a reputation that's it you get no respect you understand i love that green car i never noticed
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that before it stands out because everything is so dark and then there's this like lime green i don't know what is that a
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chevelle do you know what kind of car that is kyle oh i'm the worst me too
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like or make some models i'm gonna put that on reddit i use this all the time for reddit i'm gonna
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say what kind of car is that i would love to know unless someone else you know let me tell you exactly
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what year that car came out or whatever yeah i'm gonna say it's a chevrolet something like a charger challenger
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camaro in that vein it's chevrolet i believe i'm gonna go with it that's my guess i'm gonna go with plymouth a
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plymouth something okay the first caller i ever drove was a plymouth sundance oh yeah i remember
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those that's hilarious now speaking of we're not my best friend we're not gonna get to the scene i don't think in today's
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discussion which is fine but there's a scene later on when rocky's talking to gaza well i'll just say it and you can go look at it where rocky has a feather
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in his hat and i've never seen it before and yeah this film and like
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i'm excited for that i saw it today watching it i'm like i have never seen i
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felt like it was a mandela effect moment whereas like has anyone noticed the feather in his
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hat there's a feather a green almost peacock-looking feather in rocky's hat i would challenge
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every listener of this podcast to be honest with themselves have they ever noticed the feather in rocky's cap
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anyone our discord disagree or have they noticed the feather so anyways there's a feather in rocky's hat and i don't know if this is a mandela effect but it
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freaked me out i was like looking at it i'm like when did this appear i've never seen a feather in his hat so there's a green
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feather in rocky's hat before we continue i wouldn't mind just kind of getting your opinion on what's been said
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so far of course that's why we're doing this he's talking to marie and he's saying that guys like it when you talk
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dirty right and they think you're cute then after a while you get the reputation of being
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a [ __ ] or whatever you got to give us warning when you want to use a battery or [Laughter]
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they don't take you seriously i guess they see you as someone they could that you're easy
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that you could use but you know you would don't actually want to have a relationship with them
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what do you guys think about that you think that's there's truth to that or you think he's like just kind of sexist or what i think it's true i think
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there's some truth to it but i agree with what rocky's old school thinking and i kind of agree that when
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when a girl acts crude it's not as funny or as appealing when a guy kind of no guys shouldn't do
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it either but i guess i kind of know what rock is saying here it's just we laugh with her it's kind of funny i see
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the other guys laugh at her quote-unquote humor but i know for a fact that when she's not around they
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don't find it appealing so i i've seen it live i've seen it in real time and i guess it's it's a difference
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between what what the way things should be versus the way things are yeah you can make the argument that it is unfair
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that guys could be crude like that and that men can talk that way then when women do it they're
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unappealing i think there's a valid argument that you could make that there is some sexism there or misogyny but on
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the other hand recognizing that that was standing at that is the way people view things right
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or wrong it's just something i've experienced men don't sit around say let's discuss how we should view women
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it just sort of happens the way things maybe should be versus the way things actually are and the way they actually
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are right or wrong that is generally the kind of reaction you'll get for men if you're like that
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how very nice of you to bring this up and i won't be so boxy but i will say yes it is true i think that what rocky
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is saying there's very much truth to that but it very much is sexist we
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put in these gender roles i'm not saying it's okay but society or
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whomever it's like boys will be boys they can be irresponsible and and be
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crude and do this and that and boys will be boys but it's not ladylike women
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that's not their place we have to be a certain way and i mean it even comes up with sexual assault it's always always
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what women should do to change it's never placed on what men should do to be
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more x y or z the discussion is almost always how women should be different to bring
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it back to rocky this was in the 70s and he's right he's he's actually to your point kyle like rightly or wrongly this
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is that's the world that we live in she's just trying to help her too yeah yeah if you don't want to end up with a
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reputation like that don't smoke don't talk trashy like that blah blah yeah
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don't end up like gloria and i think in actuality too though he's talking to a 12 year old where it's oh
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you'll get a reputation if you talk this way you won't get a reputation if you actually do something if you actually
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sleep with one of these kids i hate to say this on a 12 year old because that's far too young to be doing
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anything like that if you do something with one of these guys on the corner that's when you're going to get really
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get the reputation and that's when those guys who want an easy score are going to start
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circling like vultures if she's already there she's sort of being primed for that right now she's
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just talking like the guys in a couple of years she's like she's on her way to getting the reputation
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they don't think of her as a serious object of affection right now i gotta
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use a bad word before you understand poor see you use 30 words and maybe end up
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becoming a war you use dirty words you end up becoming a [ __ ]
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that's some causation yeah that's good that escalated quickly you know
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little maurice swears and now she's like the town [ __ ] and that's kind of an unfair thing too
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because this is an old adage of course if you're a dude sleeping with tons of
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chicks you're the man and then if you're a woman and you're being with a bunch of guys then you're a
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[ __ ] or you're a [ __ ] you know that's not fair i knew guys like in my 20s people talk about their so-called body
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counts if your body count was one or two something like that right
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you wouldn't say that you'd be registered to say that you'd be they're guys whose body counts are like
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10 or 15 or something like that or more they would make a point of telling you that so they're not necessarily
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high-fiving each other over it but it's like it's the big dick in the locker room right like if
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you're in the locker room and you have that you kind of show everybody what you got there it might explain why i changed
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in the toilet stall [Laughter]
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did you guys ever watch the show friends oh yeah i've seen it it's a common trope right a guy who doesn't want to be with
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a woman who's been with a lot of guys that's like just kind of your own thing accepted or expected almost that men
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have been but remember when monica was dating richard and i mean he's like 20 years older than her
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so he was i don't know his 50s or something and he was married for most of his life so he's only been with two people
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so she doesn't want to say how many she's been and he's like come on just a ballpark and she's like definitely less
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than a ballpark yeah i remember that episode yeah yeah
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great there's an old adage if whatever number girl says she's slept with multiply it by three and for a man
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for a man divided by right yeah yeah exactly okay sorry uh rocco
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and our chat here he's oh he's you know okay i know
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no he knows he has access to the internet that's all i'm saying so i love how little marie
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says here come on rocky i'm 12. yeah this stuck out to me even when i was
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younger watching this yeah you got a boyfriend ain't got a boyfriend i'm 12. but again it's common i'm sure rocco has
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friends or classmates that have clinical boyfriend girlfriends at 12 absolutely well you remember the junior high school times
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with relationships and stuff like that 12 maybe by 13 14 the junior high relationship has a lifespan of
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approximately two weeks
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it don't matter you don't really have to be when you just act like one that's it boom
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hey you get a bad breath you understand 20 years from now 20 years now people are going to say hey
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do you remember now who's she uh she's a little hoarder hung down the atomic bogey shop oh yeah yeah yeah now i
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remember her that is mentioned in rocky five when they were walking we'll talk about the
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urban blight how the neighborhoods are going hill and rocky's talking about the atomic hoagie shop used to be here
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and i love that i love when you make a reference to an older movie and kind of bring things together i don't remember
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you they remember the rest you're gonna stand hey you got a boyfriend
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no you ain't got a boyfriend you know why why don't you think you have a boyfriend because you're hanging out with them
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coconuts on the corner you understand if you ain't going to cook or not you're getting nowhere they're lemons
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you hang out with nice people you get nice spread you understand yeah smart people get smart friends
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what's the old dad as you know birds of a feather flock together sure i wonder if this dog is barking i would love to
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be the person who's like that's my dog barking in the rocky movie that's probably yeah you're
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right there probably was an adr put in the dog and that was probably a just a dog in the neighborhood real yeah yeah wonder
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but kiss embarking in there that could have been yeah because it's stallone's dog off to the side and maybe he's just barking at
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stallone walking by yeah i think rocky's advice here is pretty solid though you do
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to a degree emulate the people you hang out with people have an influence on you so if you hang out with these schmucks
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you're likely going to be freaking thunderbird and not making something of yourself so i
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know i sound like an old man now i don't know that's what rocky says here you see it's simple mathematics there you go
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[Laughter] it's cause and effect that's right and it's true you kind of are you know who
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your friends are to a certain degree like obviously and that well yeah that makes sense totally makes sense
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i hope you ain't gone what was i gonna say you hope i don't keep acting like a [ __ ] i'll turn into one right yeah something like that right
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crappy marie take care you know hey rocky yo screw you creepo
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and right there is the lowest point of him in the film i think i think we're talking about that last episode katie
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where this kind of ties up whatever act one or this whole idea of because the next scene is of course
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apollo in the office what have you yeah this is the lowest point of rocky in the film i would say in the sense of like we've
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seen this whole journey half hour into the film you know from his boxing to his uh time at the bar to paulie agreeing to
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trying to get the girl i mean all this and then now he's just been told by a 12 year old kid to screw off because you're a creep like this is bottom of the
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barrel emotional state for rocky right now yeah i think the music's really good in this like i just thought that certain
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music i'm just nostalgic about it it's very well done really well timed there they're really good at bringing our
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emotions out because i like i'm almost in tears whenever i watch the scene in the last however many minutes he's like
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trying to help her and then she's [ __ ] you rocky and then he's like i just found this to be so so sad and i
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feel sorry for him well he says yeah who's going to give advice creepo and that he's feelings absolutely feeling sorry for himself and as he's not as he
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should be but understandably so all right here we go [Music]
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i love how you shut up boxes with that post there still you know
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and now we're in jurgen's office here and real life though this was irwin winkler's office oh really cool yeah it
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was the producer's office i just think it's such a stark contrast from okay so now we're entering like the second act
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but we were in it's so dark and gloomy and then all of a sudden it's like so bright and energetic just so stark
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absolutely absolutely yeah this turtle changes it's a total mood lighting change and energy change too now we've got this very
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energetic educated business-like conversation this is yeah are the doctor's reports confirmed
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definitely says here mackley green has suffered a severely cracked third metacarpal in his
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left hand there you go we got the answer to one of our trivia questions good timing mm-hmm did you guys i put yeah
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you put that katie no my brain is not working at full capacity this morning i was was it buddy something i couldn't
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remember who it was that was why
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oh yeah i knew there was a buddy in there so no i didn't get that one right yeah i got that one yeah mac lee green
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there you go so that was the answer to one of the questions okay good timing something i like about this scene apollo
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his crew with him are all black his manager his lawyer especially for this
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time i like that black people and film are being shown as they should be is smart capable educated people
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instead of just athletes or like just musicians or whatever right to me this
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scene is like progressive in a cool and not and not a preachy way carry a leather briefcase be a thinker not a
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stinker even at this time there's a lot of black exploitation films at the time the 70s were very common almost because
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it was like a sub genre because they weren't quite allowed to be the main stars in hollywood at the time in fact
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carl weather's first four films or three or four films before being cast in rocky he was in those films those were the
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films he was in carl weathers was in these pam greer type floyd yeah type things
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yeah that was a genre because they're black people so only black people are going to watch these films and black people are going to act in these films
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so slide to his credit this wasn't common to have a main character and a lot of big speaking parts in
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quote-unquote in a white film so we love it and the character like you're saying call yeah the smartest guy on the screen
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apollo apollo's lawyer here the guy sitting at the table he could have been a white guy yep
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there's this guy in the background he doesn't really do anything but he appears to be a you know smart well-to-do person also black apollo's
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manager tony who's given jurgen some [ __ ] here yeah it's black the whole entourage you know you know that uh
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bodyguard you see that guy looking out the window there he's looking at the window to make sure paul's safe because he's the bodyguard
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yes oh okay and there's you know who that is famous actor no i don't michael
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dorn who plays wharf on star trek no yep no way it's michael i would have never guessed
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that but anyways yeah so watch when we uh hit play here again you'll see uh that's michael it's hard to tell that's
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him because you're so used to see him in the makeup but that is michael doran there holding the toothpick in his mouth he's got sunglasses on he's actually
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apollo's bodyguard is what he's credited as nice of course we can cancel the fight indefinitely if you're set on
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fighting green hey it ain't just green now what about all the time apollo is invested i believe we can find a
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solution solution nothing now you better find me another ranked contender and i mean in the flash churches don't play
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games with my client apollo's already done a million dollars for the publicity has made contractual obligations with 20
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different organizations he's not going to be embarrassed i contacted ernie roman's manager ernie's fighting in
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france that same week and get me buddy shaw hell he's ranked fifth they go buddy shawn
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i haven't read ahead of the trivia questions but that would be a great trivia question rocco was so i don't know if he got that one because he's got
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a 50 questions or whatever for this film so what did buddy shaw rank we'll find out later
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was he the one how much weight did the guy gain in california yeah also
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you haven't paused perfectly on this contrast too i could not love tony's outfit more i mean
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so apollo has got a three-piece suit i love his pink shirt with the colorful i mean apollo looks stunning in this
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outfit and all the other men have like a three-piece suit on tony on the other hand
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has like a leisure suit with the chain his chest showing like the button
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almost down to his neighbor it's amazing i love it and it's colorful it's awesome oh and that's the thing they can put
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like i can't pull off anything i i feel like the only reason i wear clothes is because nobody wants to see me naked
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because i feel like everything i wear i just don't look good though i see other actors and stuff in films or whatever and i'm like why did they just
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i know they have wardrobe people but still like they just look good anyway so yeah tony this pulls that off like he
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gets away like if i wore that the same way i would look ridiculous i would look like i'm making fun of something you know what i mean but he pulls out he
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looks sexy he looks amazing just as stud he does look sexy yeah i mean and the what do you call the it was such a style
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in the 70s with that collar style big winged out collar yeah oh god this is
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gigantic it's done up so it's not coming out that's true that's a good point ty and his collar are huge
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i love it and tony is the unsung hero of the franchise he's just awesome i think i've mentioned this in the past but
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there's a movie based off the original scared straight that came out cody is uh
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a convict in uh he's talking to the kids and he does a real good job this guy is actually in
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real prison time in like the 50s too he's a bit of a badass he is he's awesome i do remember you saying that he
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did do some time yeah okay oh he went to california gained 50. it
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was buddy who yeah i thought so buddy shaw gained he mentioned someone else oh are you sure
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you can go back but you can cancel a fight indefinitely if you're set on fighting green hey it ain't just green
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what about all the time apollo is invested i believe we can find a solution solution
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now you better find me another ranked contender and i mean don't play games with my client apollo's
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already done a million dollars for the publicity has made constructive obligations with 20 different organizations he's not going to be
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embarrassed i contacted ernie roman's manager ernie's fighting in france that same week and get me buddy shaw hell
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he's ranked fifth went to california and gained 50 pounds you're right yeah that's fine so jurgens
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is already called every worthwhile contender so i love that i love how they've you know he's gone through the books tried to find a contender hasn't
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found anybody so now paul's mind will start spinning here i get hold of every worthwhile contender and they all say
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the same thing five weeks just isn't enough time to get into shape oh shape nothing man they're free i just love
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this shape nothing man they're afraid i love the way he delivers that his incantation he says he uses that same
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phrase a lot and he it's perfect for him it's probably a bit of both though there probably probably isn't enough time and
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they are probably afraid because remember he is the greatest fighter that ever lived like he is the best he was a combination of like the strength of
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tyson with the finesse of ali like this guy was a beast apollo was the best and nobody wants to be embarrassed
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five weeks is nothing even if you're already pseudo in shape a camp like a training camp
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i think six weeks six seven weeks is about as long as you'll take but
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you have to be in fairly decent shape before camp like getting 50 pounds is that the question you're not going to be
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able to lose you probably could lose 50 pounds in five or six weeks but probably the expense of your other physical
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conditioning i do think it is more they're afraid to fight them and especially on a big event like this the
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bicentennial everybody is going to be watching this it's a big deal you'll be known as the guy
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got trounced and again you're getting trounced by creed so no one's going to blame you
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it's creed who has everything to lose in this because if you lose this to anybody especially a tomato or a ham and
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egger i have a hard time you can't find any worthwhile contender i do find a hard time with that premise that you'd have
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to go find a club fighter in philly like you could find somebody someone who's actually a ranked
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pro even if they're not fifth or something like that and i guess you could say that
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well you either find a high competitive fight or you find a novelty
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that you don't want to do the halfway by finding a guy's rank like 38th or something like that thinking like a
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thinker not a stinker there kyle somebody in the world's gonna see this fight and none of them got a prayer
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whipping me so they're making excuses so they don't have to be the chop to get whipped in front of the whole civilized world there you go
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so i love jurgen's response here so apollo is basically saying nobody wants to fight me it's not enough time they're going to be bearish they know this is a
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big fight they don't want to be embarrassed on national television worldwide what have you but jurgens takes this very personally goes oh like
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a shade you should have a good promoter i have to say two jerkins is the most british seeming guy who's
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not british yeah very old school guy looks like he's old school british
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dude he's like a caricature yeah yeah and says i'm a good promoter
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i've promoted fights in every goddamn country in the world and i've broken my ass over this but i don't know what the
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hell else to do however he's promoted fights in every country of the world there's a lot of
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countries you might be exaggerating dude but i love how paul weighs them off with that he's like yeah yeah i don't
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want to hear this you know i want to also jerk and start through like i believe we can find a solution they go through
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three names he's like i don't know what to do give me a fourth name give me a fifth
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name i've called three people what else can i do
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so now paul's had his head spinning but look at tony here looking at jurgens look at that look he's like a hype man
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for apollo too like do you notice how his reactions to apollo in every way yeah
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in fact watch this scene here when apollo comes up with this idea watch tony's face over apollo's shoulder he's
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totally hyping up apollo's idea it's almost like tony in real life is laughing at apollo's acting or carl's
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performance not laughing that but kind of being enthused by carl weather's delivery do you tell me with tony burton
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in real life is he reacting to carl weathers or is he acting to apollo you
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let me know when i do without a ranked contender what this fight is going to need is a novelty
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this is the land of opportunity right so apollo creed on january 1st gives a
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local underdog fighter an opportunity a snow white underdog and i'm going to
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put his face on this poster with me and i'll tell you why because i'm sentimental
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and a lot of other people in this country are just as sentimental and there's nothing they'd like better than to see apollo creed give a local
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philadelphia boy a shot at the greatest title in the world on this country's biggest birthday that's the way i see it and that's the
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way it's going to be apollo i like it it's very american
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now jergens it's very smart [Laughter]
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great monologue great delivery by carl weathers but did you see tony's face in the background was he acting or was he
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reacting i think he was acting okay he's just got that million-dollar smile he was smiling too much like it was
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unrealistic that's what i mean like it was a big smile so i couldn't tell if he was but he was right over paul's shoulder so he almost knew like i'm
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gonna be on camera for this scene so maybe he was like it's me i'm in the background i'm in the
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background yeah anyways like
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i don't know it's like he's not a real person but great writing by sly here too and this is a great monologue that sly wrote
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for paulo with the idea i love how it's like i'm sentimental you know what the america loves sentimental they love that
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idea and this is you know this is the whole genesis of this film the idea being that we're gonna give how does
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this rocky care how does he get the fight how does this happen how do these two people meet this is it this is how
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they meet is that apollo comes up with the idea i need a angle i need some sort of angle we've lost the fighters that
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are supposed to fight me no one's worthy and so let's get an underdog fighter a local boy so they'd have to go anywhere they don't have to travel we're right
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here already the fight's in five weeks from here so they don't they're already training somewhere fighting somewhere
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how they get the name later is fun but right now that's the idea and i love against sly's writing up the idea where
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jurgis says well oh that's very american of you apollo that's very american of you and the twist that apoll says
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no it's very smart and what a great delivery and then what a great line by slider right that i always thought that
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was weird i always thought it was like saying american equals not smart like
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well something that's not smart but i think it's beyond americans yeah yeah i love that honestly that's probably one
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of the best ideas for this film really it's it's one of the this in the discussion with adrian in the apartment
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before the fight two best written scenes in the film as much as stallone is
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homage or or rips off stuff for real life i think this idea here is as far as
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i could tell a truly original excellent idea or fight i love that the fight
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itself is the chuck limpner fight but chuck webner was a right contender he wasn't that good of a fighter but
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they're guys you get shots at the championships who are not super well ranked mark wempner was not a
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novelty chuck wagner was a he was buddy he was buddy gained 50 pounds he was buddy yeah
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basically this idea that you want a novelty on this bicentennial holiday
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excellent idea like that it's like truly original good solid piece of writing yes
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he got the genesis idea of that muhammad ali chuck webber fight but it the character of rock and who he
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is and what he's like how would even slide know what chuck's like outside the ring anyways there is a little bit of similarities in
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that like they're both petty criminals but i mean like the way they are their personalities i've heard chuckle empire
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interviews like i've heard his interview talking about the fight and other fights he was in i'll say he's a typical 70s guy he's not
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like rocky at all personality wise all right well ready for the answers
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yeah let's do it i did write mine down so yeah all right number one who says you want
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the bird go out in the alley need the bird clearly
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paulie was cooking the bird at adrian threw it out yeah that's right all right so what does rocky answer back
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when adrian asks him why he wants to fight the answer is because i can't sing or dance okay we all got that all right
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all right number three what is the name of the fighter who broke his hand and dropped out of the fight with creed well
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we just saw that scene good timing katie said buddy close but it was mac lee green
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sorry and you also hear it on the tv in the bar too yeah you do yeah
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i i understand katie you had a rough night last night trust me there's one [Laughter] there's one's coming up where i will not
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know the answer i'm telling you right now number four who does rocky work for mr gazelle that's right mr gossel it
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could be a trick question rocky's self-employed
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i don't think ro i don't think rocco was going with the trick question and lastly number number five what round did rocky
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knock apollo down the first round what'd you say katie i was it the first round
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yes my brand doesn't work i have 13. don't okay and i want to be i want to make this clear this is not too
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embarrassing we are just a rocky podcast we're not rocky this trivia book i'm telling you right now guys i've seen some of the questions i'll be surprised
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if we get half of these really yeah well yeah he asked 50 questions alone just for the first film
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okay i could be better than half i bet i think i can two but not today well i
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didn't got five out of five on this round but he's probably just warming us up here do you want to keep track there
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kyle so i did five as well do you want to keep her score so i got five katie got three
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i'll catch up next week and our invitation to our listeners at home at the end of season one of rocky
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it's going to be you know a journey but that's what we're here for let us know your scores at the end of the season and it's honor system of course and i
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believe our listeners are honest so if we as hosts are honest every single listener is on this channel
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yeah there you go that's fine that's any production type of stuff it was where ryan you you always get me on the like i
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never knew michael door in there the hertz truck or anything like that if you go outside the
54:26
actual script itself that's when i start losing pretty
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quickly so donald actually got the number five wrong as well katie donald what number did you say what round did
54:36
you think it was and for the spelling of mackley green it's actually mac is his first name lee is his middle name and
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green is his last name all right this was a fun episode i was glad to have you guys all back roll back
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together for this one well that's the end of the episode ain't near nobel
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