Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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[Music] it's another side that like wants to take more it wants to go that one more
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round because like going in one more round when you don't think you
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can that's what makes all the difference in your life you know what I mean
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welcome to one more round the rocky series podcast I'm your host Ryan with
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me today as always is Kyle and Katie now before we get going I just want to let our listeners know that Katie is in
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Ecuador fosas ktie tell us your situation what's happening why are you in Ecuador why are you not home well I
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went to Ecuador galpagos and uh Kito and Gill and the Amazon for vacation on our
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way home we have to take a test to get back to America and we have covid my
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friend and I along with a number of other people in our traveling group we have no symptoms thanks to us being
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triple backs we feel completely fine but we cannot re-enter our country we test
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negative so we are stuck in a hotel in Ecuador so we test negative you know I
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miss my dogs has anyone asked you to bring a package home or anything like
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that them as a favor or for an exorbitant amount of money I have asked
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with every animal we if I could bring him home but no no no packages that I've
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been requested to smuggle back that's good cuz your your stay in Ecuador might be a little longer
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than yeah please to yeah don't get arrested please please don't get arrested it will not I I don't know if I
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can find another female host as good as you a you're definitely part of this trios yeah can nobody die for at least
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till we get through the series after we done recording Rocky Bell B go ahead do what you got to do all right Kyle how
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you doing this week I'm doing pretty good uh nothing terribly exciting I'm
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free ready to talk Rocky all right again so Katie's for our listeners yes so Katie's uh speaker voice sounds a little
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bit different because she's just she wasn't prepared to do a podcast in Ecuador so uh that's why the audio is a little bit uh not as good as usual so
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bear with us but we thought it was more important to do the show of course with her there's no way we're doing it without her so Katie H you have a couple
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emails so we thank those who do email us if you want to email us email is one more round what is it now actually why
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don't you read the emails and I'll double check the email go ahead I forget the address it's one more round Rocky
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podcast at gmail.com thank you okay perfect and it's in every show
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description anyways the first email thing is for Brian Grano he's our he's the Google Map guy he's the one that
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always sends us those Google map pictures the subject is religious Arena Rocky house hi everyone I KD has been to
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some destinations and added another I listened to the whole Creed 2 episodes
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and had an email to send but I'll stick to the rocky ser I'm including photos to show some of the
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location there was mentioned about where the Spider Rico Rocky fight took place the photos show it was done at the Oscar
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Leah Hoya Boxing center in La I couldn't find old photos of the area but you can
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see how it has changed I remember hearing they were handing out $20 bills to people in bars or the street to
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extras for that scene $20 would be about $100 today I wonder if they used the
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same locker room as the boxing the credits were rolling Katie mentioned who George Molle was who was the ice rank
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attendant ah and I noticed he used the Philly accent pretty well mentioned
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about Sly playing football three of the photos show where he got his interest the rocky house was me had some photos I
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made from a video Mike made you can see how small the actual interior is I grew up in the house in a house just like
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that someone mentioned what the rent would be back then I think my mom paid about 60 bucks a month back in the the
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mid1 1960s and sold it for about $10,000 1978 I think the last thing
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mentioned in episode two was the song Plan called Summer Madness by cool in
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the game looking forward to episode three Brian yeah that's cool thanks Brian for telling us who the I forget
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his name now but who that guy was in the credits we just mentioned a couple the names and I didn't George mle George mle
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played the ice ring yeah that's awesome so that makes sense 10 minutes 5 minutes
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yeah thank thank you Brian he's always great with that information he he knows those locations and and what have you
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very well and Brian we appreciate your support and he's one of our patrons as well so thank you for your support on patreon as well thank you so much all
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right we got another one from em King he's another one of our faithful listeners from the old show he says I am
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going 23 bums for Roy crisis right style Ryan what do I win if I get it correct
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keep up the amazing job on Rocky series I never thought I would listen to another run of this same series
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excellent job I'm in for the distance thanks again Ian uh in the bum pool here
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so yeah that's em King so he has 23 yeah em King so if you want to join the bump
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count still not really too late we'll take the the honor System you know we've got people you can join late sometimes people listen to podcast like they go
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like they wait for four or five episodes and then they join right so we'll take the bump count up to let's say I don't
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know let's say to the time that Apollo picks Rocky's name we'll take the bump count up to then and we'll honor System
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like what would what would have been your honest choice so 23 is a pretty solid solid guess I kind of like that one what do we have right now there Kyle
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what's the bum count the two episodes we've done were six bums in there is six
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bums in the first episode zero bums in the second then we'll see about the third here all right well if we get to
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far enough along in this episode there are going to be a few coming up what does he get ask what he got Ah that's a
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good question what does he get let me think about that em I don't know maybe I'll send you some uh sternal
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alcohol is that what it's called Sterno yeah Sterno boms Sterno bom yeah okay
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that's a good question what should we send we'll we'll figure out something okay well I'm excited because there's some really really good scenes coming up
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here we last left off in Rocky's apartment he's holding that makeshift ice pack to his head with his hand and
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the next sequence of course is come it's the first scene with Adrian and Rocky at inside the pet store so let's check some
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of that out oh yeah so and Brian mentioned that was cool in the gang I said Casey Sunshine is cool in the gang
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yeah that's right cool in the gang did this song that Kyle likes that's in the background that [Music]
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sound love that little moment when Rocky does that kind of weird wiping handing waving motion on the glass as he's
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saying hi to the puppies and he whistles at them but he's doing that just like oh I'm pretending to see the puppies but
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he's actually he kind of eyeballs to see if Adrian's in the store too and is she working that shift before he walks in I
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I kind of like that little moment how you feel this morning huh
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full of light I just love that how you feeling this word you full of life have you ever
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asked anyone that question you full of life it's a rocky I kind of like you see
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Rock's like really cheerful here which is a big difference from the previous scene when he's there with that music
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and the ice on his face potentially having an existential crisis now he's
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he's kind of out and about he has an interesting life because he's not really on the 9 to5 schedule that most of us
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are on he does fighting in the evenings and then like occasionally does work for Gazo but otherwise just kind of Milling
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around town seems like he's pretty happy here maybe seeing Adrian's kind of the highlight of his day oh I think he just
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tries to convey a different Persona when he's outside my challenge to you guys
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this week is to ask somebody are they full of life how you doing T you full of life and just see what the response is
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I'm going to do I'm going to work tomorrow I'm going to do it with somebody I'm going to say how you feeling this morning full of life I want to hear the response but she says Fine
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Adrian says fine now look behind there this copy of the movie that we're watching I think it must be like a high
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def 4K version I noticed things on here that I didn't see before or noticed before cuz it's really clear and crisp
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and the signs in the background it says steam sauna massage shower look at that
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grubby place can you imagine going in there for massage I've noticed I guess like you can get a mic to grease you up
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in the back Rocky does talk about taking a steam later on that's true which would
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be good if your muscles are sore and stuff from fighting the night before so what's the difference between the Steam
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and is dry guess yeah it's a dry heat but I find that I'm sweating so much it
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feels like a Ste yeah you're right I guess it's that dry heat from the Rocks yeah one thing I love having not grown
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up in the 70s looking at like packaging and stuff like that and seeing what things look like back then so just kind
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of looking at the Pet Foods back there what it is on the corner of the counter
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here like it almost looks like kids toys or something like that the fish foods and yeah right now the steam thing I
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have a question about the steam in this context it totally makes sense
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however I've been confused watching this because when they go to an and Rocky asks where Paulie is he
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says in the steam room are they also referring to the bathroom I think in the
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context of this sign here it certainly isn't referring to the bathroom CU I wonder if it's like just like a nickname
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for the bathroom cuz it's humid and gross or whatever in there that you kind of sarcastically
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or jokingly call it the steam room or you leave a steaming pile
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of that's sorry after I'm done it's a steam
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room hey how you doing killer how you doing killer as he says petting the little dog there how's the
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turtle food this week fine me I'm kind of aggravated you know
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oh I'm sorry he's been leading up to this woman his mind how's the turtle food this week it's fine he's like well
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a little bit aggravated this morning oh I'm sorry says Adrian doesn't even look up no she
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doesn't look up one thing I find interesting too he reaches in the counter that that turtle food and stuff
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there is behind the counter presumably the clerk there has to get it for you he
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just kind of reaches over and takes it and to me that's uh very dominating if I were working there I'd
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be very put off by that be like what the are you doing but Adrien is so the opposite of being dominant I think she
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probably doesn't even face her there but I wonder like that makes her feel a little bit uncomfortable and Rocky
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probably just doesn't realize he's doing that so Rocky's about say well it ain't your fault that he's aggravated goes ain't your fault but he goes do you want
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to hear about it this is like a comedian setup you got to build up the story line for the for the punch line this is all
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part of the he's just trying to get to his joke and she's taking the conversation seriously kind of aggravated you don't want to hear about
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it I'll tell you somebody don't want to hear them yeah how you doing like you know the last turtle food I got here
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had more Moss it than flies you know Adrian and these Moss they get caught in the turtle throat right about here in
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the Cs right I got to smack them on the back of the show what do you think they get huh and they get what huh what so sh
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your show sh starting with bad jokes really huh well no I betting jokes so
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easy got a smile out of her she she does a cute little smile there absolutely and another thing I noticed is that he does
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touch her arm to get her attention I think we have to remember though and I know this is a going to be discussion
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for later so I don't want to get into it right now but I think we have to remember what we're seeing here this is
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not the first conversation I think a lot of people think this is the first conversation this is one of many he has
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been here a lot he's a regular at the pet shop he knows where to grab the turtle food Asian just shy but they've
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had a lot of conversations because he's also known Paulie don't forget he's known Paulie since they were in high
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school so he's known Adrian for years anyone who's watched the film a lot would have to agree with you Ryan
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because he even says to Adrian later on that he bought the bowl and the all the
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stuff for his Turtles from Adrian so like he has to have met here before plus you like you said he's friends with
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Paulie that would be insane if that was the first time that he saw her you know maybe the attraction has just started
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recently last year or so or half a year who knows even just a few months but Rocky's made his mission as of now like
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yeah his romancer and he's not done anything inappropriate I don't think Katie uh has he done anything inappropriate that you think no he's
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really trying though because when he's asking her what do they say what do they say what do they get what do they get
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she kind of makes a giving him nothing so like I don't know what do you want
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for me sort of a but then she smiles so it's really hard for him to read her and
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so I think he's being resp respectful absolutely the only thing I'll say and this is a more modern interpretation I I
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don't think this applies as much in the 70s here be unfair to Rocky but I think
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it's generally bad taste to flirt with people while they're at work especially in the service industry because they're
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they're almost kind of like a captive audience and it is part of their job to be nice to you and so it's like if you
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flirt with a store clerk or a server or something a Hooters waitress yeah
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W that blurs the line a bit I suppose but you know generally if you did you'd
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have to be very subtle about it this is a different time a different place so it's like you know I'm not going to put
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that on him for that also I know this is stupid but turtle food things driving me
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crazy so he picks a turtle food from the back of the Shelf he reaches across the counter to pick this thing of turtle
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food and then Gloria when she comes takes the turtle food from him he probably isn't going to pay for it and
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then he grabs another identical thing of turtle food that's already on the counter directly in front of him why why
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did he grab the turtle food in the back I don't know they had to put the turtle food there just so that sequence would
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work right right and I don't even think I would argue he's not not flirting with
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her at all he's not commenting oh you look nice pretty he's just trying to
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like talk to her yeah break her out of her own turtle ta yeah it was a nice
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little scene I think T she's a great actress and I think she does a really really good job as Adrien here Tia Shire
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when she first met Sylvester Stallone she said the first time she met Stallone was of course during the auditions
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whatever of course Sly was part of the audition process you know for people she said right away instant chemistry that
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she just fell in love with him right away the first time she saw him he literally walked backwards into the room
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did like a little dance and twirl thing and he was just full of energy and life so tiia right away said instantly she
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knew this guy was amazing oh that's awesome yeah so their chemistry on screen is very real you've seen those
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like behind the scene photos you know s holding her cheek and kissing making the kissing you seen that picture I think
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it's also used it's used in the film as a photo in the film when they're dating so they took that picture in real life
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but just a cute picture of of tiia shy and Sly but they had a real close friendship I think I think it's really
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nice to hear and same with Bert young those three they've remained friends and clo I say close as close as celebrities
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are but they've always been friendly there's and that's the thing if any actress would have anything to say about
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someone's if there was inappropriate behavior behind the scenes it would be a woman that's done five films with a guy
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think about that do you think anything ever happened there they never have no if they did it's like the best kept
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secret in Hol because a lot of stuff gets leaked but they have always just been close friendly I think T has been married I think she's been married most
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of this time I don't think she was single I know Sly was also married at this I mean just saying but I think Tia
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was married more specifically at this time but anyways yeah I thought that was really interesting to hear her talk about how much she just loves Sly the
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first time she met also Sly said that the reason why it's Adrian is the type of Personality that
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he'd be attracted to or rocky would be attracted to is because Rocky would find it easier to and more comfortable
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talking to shy girls he just finds shy girls more attractive he's that's Rocky's nature he finds shy girls
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attractive he finds Adrian attractive not the conventional way but just that personality he doesn't say why but he
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just said uh that I think well I think the reason he's attracted I think same as you're just attracted to who you're
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attracted to I think also like he probably likes shy girls because a girl
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who's more say like Gloria someone who's very outspoken might just call him like
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an effing loser or something or a bum or something like that right he was just not having it someone who's like really
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ambitious or something like that probably wouldn't want Rocky in their lives because Rocky's kind of going nowhere probably in a sense intimidated
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by people who aren't as shy one thing I I I like about a Adrian specifically is
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that she's not your typical movie love interest she's not the blonde bombshell
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and even when she kind of comes out of her shell and looks more conventionally attractive and stuff she's still a very
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normal looking person like she's very attractive I find her attractive but she's not like she's pretty normal
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looking she's like not a supermodel or anything like that and I like that I like that you have normal looking people
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to me it's more real agreed agreed also I think he feels safe with her there you
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go yeah with a shy person they're perfect for each other now I love Gloria it's funny seeing this now as I get
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older you know I'm 46 now and it's funny now watching Rocky and when I was a teenager watching this movie and even a
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young adult Glory always seems so much older watch Gloria like she looks young
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now she kind of looks young I'm like oh boy I'm getting older Gloria actually doesn't look like the old heg I thought she was now she just looks she doesn't
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look as old as my young brain thought she was as I got as I get older just found that very interesting watching this oh yeah Gloria doesn't seem as old
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as I thought she was for everybody here except for Bert young he seems like he's still a real
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grown up he's two years younger than I am now as a teenager like a 30-year-old was like a full out adult 30-year olds
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are legitimate adults but I view 30-year-olds pretty different now people working under me in their late 20s and
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they're like kids basically to me you know what I mean Rocky I I see him kind of like that he seems immature to me me
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now which is weird because watching these films it was the total opposite but they're given a hard time the fact
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that he and Adrian are still single people like they aren't Married with Children at age 30 is mindboggling for
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people that time it's like you're over the hill by the time so now Rocky turns to the look at the floor goes how's my
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buddy doing today of course we know it's buckus buckus is his name in real life what kind of dog is he Katie he's a
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Bullmastiff and I have a nephew a fur nephew that is a bull M cute buckus is
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such a great name we all know the story if it's true we all know the story that Sly had to sell buckus in real life
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before the film of course he didn't have any money and he sold buckus to get some cash for groceries essentially just
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living and I believe that's much true but what's is disputed as who he sold it
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to and how much he got it back for there's been a couple stories Jimmy gambina who plays Mike in this film
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apparently he is the one that bought the dog from Sly that's the rumor or that's the story that he tells on a on an
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episode of a podcast I heard and then I also heard that if it wasn't him it was somebody else but that Sly apparently
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offered $25,000 to get it back so both might be true or one or the other might be true but what are you guys' thoughts
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on that what have you guys heard Story I Heard was that he sold that dog in La
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outside of like this liquor store to this random guy didn't know I don't know
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how much like you see like a th000 boxer which is is insane that's a lot of money the idea was it was like under 100 bucks
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I don't think it was more than 100 bucks like 50 bucks I heard 50 okay yeah so that sounds more accurate it's a
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marginal amount of money then when Sly got the money for this Rocky deal or
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whatever or when he got some some more money that he could buy the dog back he waited outside that liquor store for
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days hoping that this person would come back to the store just to get more booze or whatever and then when they did the
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guy was very Rel it to sell the dog back and Rocky had to buy it back for pardon me some exorbitant sum of money which to
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me that sounds [ __ ] like that sounds fake buying it and selling it from Mike somebody he knows makes way more sense
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yeah so that's from Jimmy gambina who's had this LoveHate relationship with Rocky and the franchise and Sly okay so
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yo buckus he sees buckus and of course that's his dog in real life now of course the film he's got the dog back
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poor buckets in this cage this holding cage I always what you doing today you bu
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time he's so
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cute all right so of course I know we all are heartbroken over that scene the buck is in that cage I just don't
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understand why he's in that cage the only thing I can think of and this is my rcon of what's Happening why buckus is
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in the cage cuz he's in the kennel he's in the kennel which is fair dogs are kennel you know they they're allowed to
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be in kennels so I'm guessing he's about to go for a walk or he's in a holding
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place while they clean his area out so they just put him in there while they go clean and so he's like mid Transportation so who knows that's my uh
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oh I think he is like in there in I don't want to hear it I don't want to hear it that's my reccon that makes my
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soul feel better but my reccon is a grown dog
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wouldn't be like that so the way that they made it work because real dog
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was cuz he says later oh the owner never came back so it was like they were boarding him there they paid the Pet
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Shop to board their dog for X period of time and then they never came back okay
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remember when he says that oh he says to Adrian whens him Rocky says oh the owner never came back oh okay I forgot about
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that okay good catch there you go so yeah maybe they're just just a temporary holding they they weren't ready to kind
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of take on this big dog so this is just a temporary holding yeah and maybe he comes home at night with the with the family or with Adrian or Gloria yeah all
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right so this is a fun little moment here so Gloria says hey Adrian go downstairs and clean the uh clean the cages now Adrian pins something to her
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jacket and can you see what this is she goes down to clean the cat cages they're mess yeah I can believe it you know
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she's got a crappy job she's bottom of the totem pole of this two person Army here when she has to go out behind the
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desk she gets very nervous cuz now you know she's behind the desk is kind of her little safety zone so now she has to
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expose herself as she walks in front of the desk in front of Rocky and Rocky kind of like I would say checks her out but he's close to her she's out from
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behind the desk and they just like Rocky says in Rocky B booa you know this this energy you know it's kinetic you know
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talks about that electric energy that he feels when he's around her and you see that moment here just when she walks by
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him and he's there and that's that silent moment of them passing it's a really sweet crazy awkward embarrassing
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all rolled into one but then watch her as she pins something to her lapel or something it's her watch isn't it I want
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you to go downstairs and clean all the cat cages there this so Rocky looks up when he hears
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Gloria give that order so he looks up oh she's coming out from behind the behind the
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desk okay she doesn't pin it she just fiddles with it my apologies okay it's her watch isn't it yeah it's a it's a
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watch hanging from her jacket which is so cute yeah it's a nervous fidget yeah yeah cuz she's got to walk out from
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she's got to walk by Rocky got so right there she looks so what is that look
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that she gives little look and the smile she gets just before she goes down to this and I always get a kick out of what is down there in that basement of a pet
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shop the cat cages that's where they are but I always picture my mind like off screen like it's just this disaster of
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an area I think the lookes him my interpretation is I see I acknowledge
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you I think Rocky's annoyed with Gloria here absolutely that's not unreasonable
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to ask Adrien to do that Adrien works for her that's like probably her job he sees this person kind of like barking
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orders at Adrien or he doesn't respect her or like her or maybe treat Adrien as he would treat her which is probably not
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how an employee would treat or employer would treat an employee but in Rocky's mind that wouldn't matter and you know
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he sends her to the basement to do this shitty job even though again it's not that unreasonable to ask that and I
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think that he lashes out by doing this thing with the turtle food here and and there's nothing glor could do about it
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that's a good point yeah I think he is annoyed at glor a little bit that builds off what we saw though with a walking in
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front of Rocky is all I'm saying like there's two things going on I think Rocky's kind of annoyed at Gloria he does a bit of a stink eye at Gloria when
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he stands up cuz he looks annoyed he's not feeling that way about Adrian of course he's and also not so much that
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she's doing the dirty job but that now Glory has taken Adrian away from him
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that's probably what it is now that you say that probably did that just to get Adrian away maybe just to get Rocky to
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leave perhaps and it worked Rocky had to go because Adrian yeah good call I
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thought he was just like being protective of her but yeah visiting hours are over that's Gloria goes you
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got to pay for that turtle food rockhead crime don't pay you know that hey crime
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don't pay you know that you know that just let it happen yeah he did steal it and I would assume Gloria knows that he
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collects for Gazo he's a lone shark in the neighborhood so it's kind of like what's Gloria going to do is a
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$1.75 food it's not like you can call the cops this guy Rocky shop lifted
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there Philadelphia cops in the 70s have bigger fish to fry than that speaking of
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pet food bigger fish to fry
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yeah now I've always loved the SE now for listeners of course we're at the Docks Rocky's carrying that stick he
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hits the back of this forklift and I I know why I always get a kick out of it it's not scripted cuz he hits the back of it trying to stop this guy from
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driving away and I love the way the stick shatters I don't know why I always get a kick out of that when the stick just breaks apart you can't that but
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just the way the stick shatters when he hits the uh forklift I like how he plays with it but just look at this dockyard
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how dirty and grubby and this is real this is nothing set up here for the movie this is just what it is at the
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time it's just like a war zone those pallets are rotting rusty metal everywhere I'd be interested to see what
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this place looks like right now now what I love here is you got
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these gangster kind of guys standing around this car here and that's all we ever know about these guys they kind of
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say hi to Rocky which gives you this indication of again where Rocky's working with the mob so to speak the
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local Small Time mob Guys these guys are standing around they're probably lone shark or mafia ties who knows but he's
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part of this racket because they kind of acknowledge Rock Rocky acknowledges them so there's a they know each other a
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little bit in this Shady underworld business yo Rock how's your boss real
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good hey rock you fighting again yeah hey we'll make some money real soon eh yeah a million dollars
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hey you where you
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going now this guy that he captures I forget his name do we ever getet his name Bob Bob that's right Bob I keep
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forgetting his name I have the inflation adjusted debt numbers here too I was good you okay I want to know how much
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this jacket was worth okay let's keep going what are you goinging huh where are you running where you he hey
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and don't hit the face no no not the face guys wants the 200 now okay so he wants $200 so that would be about how
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much now that's a 1,54 decent amount of money yeah and then Bob only has
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130 which is like 685 so he's pretty light well he's light but it's 2/3 right
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so it's not too bad says I should get to 200 to break
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your thumb you understand please huh please what's your name again Rocky's the forer of course Bob must know Rocky
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cuz he already started running the moment Rocky showed up but Rocky doesn't actually it's funny what's your name
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again well do I have the right guy I don't know why Rocky's asking his name he's like yeah do I have the right guy
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it's intered does he know him by face or how does he know this this is the guy he's supposed to get if you ask for his name yeah good question maybe he saw him
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when he initially borrowed the money or something like that who knows B listen listen b you want to
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dance you you got to pay the band you understand I love that little Mafia talk there you want to dance you got to pay
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the band you know what I'm saying so if you're taking money you better be ready to give it back you want to borrow you got to pay the man hey I ain't
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emotionally involved Bob you understand now Rocky says he's not emotionally involved okay he doesn't care whether
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Bob's light whether he's borrowed money or not but Rocky is always emotionally
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involved he he has to say that to Bob to scare him right like a lot of this as much as psychological Rock he's looks
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intimidating he acts intimidating wants to act harsh and non-ar he wants Bob to really believe
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that he's going to break his dumb it's funny like Bob's up against this metal I don't know what it is some sort of Steel
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grading or something like that this seems like such a harsh environment it just seems like this unforgiving harsh
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Bleak Urban environment when Rocky just operates in this this really shitty little world where he has to collect
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from guys like Bob that's got to like hurt your soul in a way especially if you're like Rocky and you like animals
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and you're not like this really he's really a fish out of water here like he looks the part but he's not the part at
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all very well putting on a really good show though I agree with you Kyle I I noticed because Ryan has Frozen the show
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he's putting on for Bob is really good because look how his eyes are looking at Bob he looks really menacing the way his
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eyes are staring very well said Katie because not only is Rocky putting on a
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good show but so Sly let let me explain this was only the second day of filming or I should say this was the second
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scene film so whether that was the first or second day I don't know but this was the second scene filmed in the in the movie Sly was still sort of on a
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retainer during this scene he had to prove to the studio that he was a man
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for the job so what we're seeing here is a combination of Rocky acting the role
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of tough guy to this Bob but we're also seeing Sly the actor at acting like
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Rocky acting so it's really kind of meta I know it's interesting that we're seeing Rocky acting like a tough guy but
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we're seeing Sly acting like Rocky acting like a tough guy this is a sequence where he still wasn't guaranteed to be in the whole film
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because this could happen we know what happened with Eric staltz and back to the future he was famously replaced by
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uh Michael J fox it's not the first and won't be the last time the actors will be on the scene are set for a couple
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days a week a couple weeks and they're like oh this is not working we got to recast so Sly being an unknown at the
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time this was a moment where he had to prove to the studio that he was the man for the job he got an easy break in this
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scene then he often gets cast as like a Mugger or a tough guy someone like that
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right really this scene is within his element I think to movie producers and directors he comes across as The
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Collector type guy anyway I think if he had his first scene was the scene with Adrien or something like that if I were
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him I'd be a lot more afraid of getting cut that's fair give me some
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money so this Bob guy's doing a good job his hands are shaking as he's getting the money out of a wallet for Rocky it's
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a great little moment there that the actor playing Bob is shaking uh he's not cold he's afraid so Bob said there's
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$130 in that wall there $130 you took out of my wallet there I'm broke hey hey hey there still
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$70 L you don't have to break nothing here take my code it's worth 56
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Kyle $50 $60 for the coat Kyle so what's that 300 bucks no way yeah it's around
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300 bucks give or take what kind of jacket is he buying for $300 actually one of my jackets I have
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is a hand-me-down for my father-in-law I hate buy of course you can I don't buy that
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Bob buys a jacket that's I'm surprised this guy who's $200 in the hole to Gazo buys a $300
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jacket did this guy go to the school of paully when it comes to finan he's bullshitting of course right
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he's going to inflate the value of that jacket conveniently exactly the amount of money he's short or close to the
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amount of money he's short you imagine though if you're Rocky and you have to break this guy's thumb what that's would
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look like you have to take someone's thumb end it back Crocs how brutal that
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would be and we know Rocky's actually done that because in Rocky 5 he has ass
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salt conviction related to loone sharking it's not like he does this thing with bob every time and he's the gentle debt collector right
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this Bob thing seems to be an exception I could never do that to somebody I feel
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bad for someone like Bob there I too would not be cut out to be a debt collector yeah no uh Rocky has done
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violent stuff per se but like he says in that interview in part two which we'll get to course nothing worth bragging about I think Rocky's done prison time
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if you get an assault conviction you probably your sentenced to jail you think he's done some he's done even
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months or something like that maybe for assault if you break some of some anyone that's read the novelizations that
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probably they were authorized they were quote unquote written by Sly I don't think they were written by Sly they were
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narrated by slide to an author but anyways I would I would assume if anyone's read the novelizations of these
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movies there would be a backstory about that so maybe they can let us know in an email that Sly in those novelizations
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might have given some back story about his criminal record I bet that would have been told in those stories cuz those are those are Canon because they
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were written by Sly yeah I guess we did County jail time not
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prison okay got bailed out by Gazo or something so Rocky's like take the coat I think right now Rocky's just like G
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I've just had enough of this stuff I can't get the girl I'm still fighting at the stupid church or gym this an old
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church I just I don't want to break him more thumbs I don't want this guy being cold take the coat I think I think he's
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nearing the end of his own what am I doing this is what we're seeing we're seeing the peak of his dip so to speak
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the justification he gives to Gazo is not the worst justification it's pretty
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smart for Rocky I don't think that's the reason why Rocky didn't break his thumb because
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he says that if he breaks his thumb the guy gets laid off he can't make money he can't pay the rest of his debt right
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which is uh not a big picture thing goel's probably willing to take the loss on Bob's debt that happens in order to
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make it seem like anyone else who borrows should be afraid to not pay them like Gaz is thinking we long term right
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yeah but even so that's not a horrible justification yeah I think it's [ __ ] I think Rocky doesn't want to break his
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thumb he's done with this yeah because look look at his face here take the coat he's like G I'm just done take the take
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the coat know you should have planned ahead you know that we faking I'll tape up the hand
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like you broke the thumb land hey do don't have no he won't be wise to nothing go won't be wise to nothing keep
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C keep so it's interesting too because we're seeing this guy is like Gosa has a
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reputation I guess he does have some sort of reputation cuz it's like I'll tape my thumbs like you broke it Gaza doesn't have to know because there's
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probably a part of him like if Gazo still doesn't think my thumbs are broke he might send somebody else to break them so he's not doing that for Rocky's
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sake I think we we're led to believe that he's telling him you know Gaza doesn't have to know not for Rocky's
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sake it's for his sake I don't want G to know they aren't broken because he might send another Thug after me to break them
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possibly Rocky could get in trouble for not breaking his thumb right but does he care hey Rocky you did me a solid by not
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breaking my thumb I'll do you a solid by I'm making it seem like my thumb's broken so you don't get in [ __ ] from
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Gazo I think it's a bit that's how I took it as well but it could be both yeah yeah because they just met I don't
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know why he'd be so sweet on Rocky but sure I think he's more concerned about his own safe cuz he keeps saying keep
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the cat meaning take something to Gazo more because I don't think he wants any more I don't think Rocky's the only
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collector no maybe I don't think he's actually going to tape his thumb people
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say stuff in the moment like that and they don't actually follow through that Bob guy was great yeah whoever the act
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that actor is he had like spittle on his lip slobbering he gave it as all
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genuinely scared yeah he was believably terrified there like it's got to give it
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to actors the good ones so you can really replicate those kind of emotions like that is not an easy thing to do I
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couldn't be an actor I would suck at it so famous scene here of course of Rocky smoking playing playing with that ball
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the train going by this is a sequence here where yeah the film crew was ready for the train they wanted the train to
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go by so that was all timed train's coming train's coming you know start rolling cameras and so they waited for
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the shot I also love so there's no cell phones to be like okay pick me up but
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this is where am it's like they just have a set place and or a set time that
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they're going to come pick him up I can't fathom that no cell phones you can't call and be like but we lived
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through it though like we say that but all three of us live through a time especially in our youth where we made
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arrangements via the phone and okay I'll pick you up at 7:30 the corner of whatever and we just counted on it
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because there's no way of verifying I'm on my way or where are you just like you kind of had to wait yeah yeah true you
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just don't think to set that kind of stuff up now cuz you don't have to yeah he only had 130 but I think he's
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good for the rest next week Mr Gazo okay so he hands him the 130 calls him Mr Gazo I love Joe Spinelli here so they
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met Joe Spinelli who plays Gazo Sly and him met actually on the film set for this one so Sly recruited Joe for this
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film they met on my fair lady Jo also he will show up later in the movie Taxi
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Driver Martin scorsi he's the cab dispatcher seeing him in movies I don't
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know why I just there's something about Gazo I really like oh there's just something likable about him he does I
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like his kind of voice like that shill think we're running some kind of Charity it's great oh was great voice
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great acting and so sorry Sly met him on the set of Farewell My Lovely I guess
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Sly had a very small part on that or kind of background actor so they met on that they were both he said they were both extras on the film so they were you
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know chatting up behind scenes and Sly really like Kyle saying Sly like the cut of his jib and so when they did the
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rocky he goes hey I got a par for you Sly reached out to Joe said hey I got a par for you so it was Sly that got him
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on the on this movie The Bodyguard played by a guy named Joe cbell well Joe
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is not an actor he was a local construction worker that they hired to go on the film D so I thought he was
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just the driver they have him as bodyguard huh bodyguard yeah he's he's accredit as as Mr goel's bodyguard SL
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driver but in the credits he bodyguard he's only done a couple of film roles so this was his biggest role in his life
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and he was literally a construction worker the SCE said he was a really nice guy in real life but played the a-hole
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in the movie very well what a claim to fame yeah imagine just doing construction to Philly now you're gazo's
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Bodyguard the way he delivers his lines is so great so goaz say yeah sure Rocky Bob's good for it so they know you Bob's
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good for it yeah sure sure sure Rocky Bob's good for it that's it for today
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[Music] so he hands him 20 bucks so how much is that today it's about uh 70 or 80 bucks
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I love the way Rocky grabs the money too it's a interesting scene the way he just grabs that money out of goo's hand I
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don't know why the way he just kind of snatches it like it's going to go away you get a desperate energy from it
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that's right it's interesting that Gazo doesn't ask him if he broke Bob's thumb which I think maybe you think at the
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beginning is because he trusts that Rocky would have done it but of course we know know that he already knows what
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happened already it's interesting to go to Katie's comment it's not like he got
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a text from those guys at the dock or a phone call right the canaries have a
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very efficient albeit mysterious system of conveying
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information a lot of canaries floating around it's also really I think it Go
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helps us like Gazo more also because doesn't embarrass Rocky by scolding him
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in front of or whatever this driver you know he waits and say something to out
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of your shot agreed tomorrow collect from Del Rio he's late 3 weeks and I
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don't like him tomorrow 3 weeks Del Rio so Rocky puts on his reading glasses to
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write down I love how he's got he couldn't memorize it you know Delio three weeks now this part kills me cuz
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we saw with the Bob I know we're over analyzing this but this is what I love about the show but he doesn't know Bob's
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name apparently when he gets Bob so was it a description is he going to be driving that fork Clift at that time or does he's got weird crazy hair whatever
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it is but now he's getting the name he's getting Del Rio as a name so he's going to write it down he's never met Del Rio
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how does he even know what Del Rio look like if you told me hey Ryan I want you to go beat the crap out of you know
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Peter Jones at the dockyard like Peter Jones anyone know where Peter Jones like you'd have to go around asking people I
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think he they kind of know of everyone okay Doo gives a last name not a first
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name Del Rio is the guy is whoever Jim Del Rio there likely a lot of these people
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oh sorry Kitty no no no that's okay they're likely a lot of repeat customers
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the thing about lone sharking in particular is that for example Bob owed
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200 he didn't borrow 200 he probably borrowed like 70 or
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$80 like the exorbitant interest rates if you could even call them that even
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though Gazo only got 130 back but well really only 110 cuz he had to pay Rocky
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the 20 he probably has already made a profit off that deal and he's still got to get the other 70 out of Bob most
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likely like it's someone like Bob in a financial trap where people like with payday loans now which is essentially in
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my mind loan sharking is that you got to keep borrowing from them in order to stay afloat because if you can't come up
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with $80 the beginning of the month and then you're expected to pay back 200 by the
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time pay that back next month you're going to need another loan it's very predatory in that way as much as I like
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gazo's character like he really is a piece of [ __ ] like what he's doing here well yeah you're making money off the
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desperate The Lovable gangster yeah I love the reading glasses that Rocky has though so he's already got bad eyes and
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we talk about the bad eye and Rocky too he's already got bad eyes apparently all right I got it Del Rio how do you spell
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Del R how did you do last night well that's what I meant to say sorry not that he didn't know why does it matter how Del Rio spound that's what I was
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meant to get it Rocky it doesn't matter how it's spelled you've got it phonetically the proper spelling of Del
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real shouldn't matter in getting the guys well you picked up the wrong del Reel like this is del Reel with the a
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silent h and Dell you knows right over it he's like what in
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his head what the you [ __ ] you don't need to know that yeah how'd you do last night how' you do last
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night if you're meticulous person though you'll want to spell it right is Rocky meticulous maybe I guess he can be in
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his apartment yeah yeah that's true that's true so Gaza knows of course he fought
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last night which I like he takes an interest in Rocky's personal life I did real good I did real good he what did
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you get the license number of what the truck that run over your
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face did you get the license of the truck that ran over your face but already before he even as so when the
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guy did you get license plate number Rocky already answers really clipped did you catch that he was like of what you
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already get a sense these two already don't like each other they've had inter before cuz he the way he answers of what
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he talked to Gazo respectively nicely and then when this bodyguard starts talking Rocky's already on the defensive
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or SL offensive relax buddy all right pull it over here I want to let Rocky out and then I'm going to talk to him
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for a few seconds now look at this area here look at this area here it looks like if you
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were to take this photo you would say this was a war torn City I encourage people listening to this podcast Google
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and then do an image search of South Bronx 1970s you'll see stuff like this
46:38
every picture there's a ton of this stuff going on here a lot of these buildings get abandoned but what's
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happening is the value of these properties because of the changing economy and getting out of the
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industrial area has gone down and so the landlords will hire people to burn them
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down or destroy them to get the insurance money well what I don't understand is this is
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1976 when was this building new and good cuz it already looks like it's 50 years
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bad because like Philadelphia's population peaked in the 1950s I talking
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the city of Philadelphia not like the Philadelphia metro area that building is probably from the 30s or 40s and maybe
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even earlier the 20s so like just the early like turn of the century industrialization Philly would have been
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a Powerhouse town would have been a major manuf facturing Center and then
47:29
after the 50s cities like Philly and Detroit Pittsburgh places like that
47:36
they're all part of the I don't know if Philly is part of the Rust Belt necessarily but it kind of has that a
47:41
lot of these heavy industry big factories that gets outsourced to places like China and then also they built the
47:48
interstate highway system in the 50s and 60s everyone went out to the suburbs then the inner cities like this went
47:54
into Decay I'm just to be curious what what that building was like what was it at some point that was built for
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something it was brand new and everyone hey it's exciting let's go in this building today I'm always curious by
48:05
that infrastructure like when was this new and pristine and now it's just a
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empty Cobblestone Brick Road and there's just nobody's here yeah at one point you
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see the railroad track adjacent to it so likely it was some sort of it could have
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been man it's probably not manufacturing but those buildings in the background look like they could that could have been like a distribution
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center or something where Freight comes in or out and then it gets loaded onto the nearby trains sorry I feel bad I've
48:34
been ignoring our chat and Discord not ignoring it but I let me just read some stuff real quick so some stuff here back
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to the Pet Shop Donald said glorious cracking wise with Rocky as well so it's not just Adrian that sees him a lot so
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there you go that's more proof that Rocky goes there a lot Louise agrees that tillia Shar was perfectly cast
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Donal goes on to say it's just one of these movies where the stars align just right yeah so so thanks guys for we we
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apologize for not reading the comments bad host bad host how come you didn't break this
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guy's thumb like I told you how do you know I didn't break you don't think I hear things did I give you a job this morning or I didn't yeah huh so why
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don't you break his thumb like I told you to when you don't do what I tell you to do you make me look bad Ro I fig look
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I fig if I break the guys down he gets laid off right you can't make yeah well figure let me do the figure it okay so I
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love the way he's talking here just great acting by Joe Spinelli and I love how he takes out that asthma medication
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that was real by the way he really that it was it was a real hit I also really
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like how you know how rocky has this fidgety way of kind of turns away when he he doesn't want to look him in the
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eye Gazo forces him every time like not in a mean way but just in real life well
49:49
in the universe of rocky rocky could lay gazel one punch right here if it came down to it's this weird Master over
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slave ownership because Rocky can beat the crap out of gazel but this that
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weird power move where gaz's pushing him and say come on man you make me look back he make it you know he's shoving him a little bit and Rocky looks like
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the caring dog it's almost yeah like a beaten dog and a dog really most dogs you know obviously not ankle biters but
50:15
you know you start beating buckus buckus will be like uh stop beating you know it's terrible this happens but I'm I'm not but the analogy is true like a dog
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could like wait a minute I can just bite this guy's hand enough you know but they don't you know they feel like I can't do
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this to my master so that's what Rocky's kind of he's kind of cowering a little bit he's like uh I feel stupid I'm such
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a dummy and I don't know why and goel kind of enforce yeah let me do the figure and you're not smart enough to figure things out let me do the
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figureing but he's right it makes me look bad as a mob boss but the same time don't do the figurine I'm I'm the mob
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boss you're just the enforcer also Rocky can't do anything against Gazo for a couple reasons Gazo is his source of
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income for the most part like he doesn't make a lot of money from fighting plus if you punch someone like Gazo in the
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face next week you'd probably disappear yeah of course that's the power move I mean that's what I mean it's just In
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This Moment these two men Rocky can kill them but he can't because of the from here and just let me do the figure you
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know these guys think that we're running some kind of Charity or something they're going to get a fight from here on in do what I tell you to do because
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it's bad for my reputation you understand you got you got it rack I got it such great acting there by
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slide two just the way he that fidgeting you're talking about Katie and the way he's like feels stupid you're like oh I
51:32
got it but at this moment this is where we're starting to see this peak pissed off I hate my life right now you know
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his mental health is red right now yeah yeah the way he was looking there reminded me of being a teenager
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and getting like chewed out by people for doing stupid
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things hey how do you spell Del Rio put up in a dictionary Rock come on hey I
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won't let that happen no more about the thumb I love the way he says that okay a lot of good things here you know how do
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you spelled the real look it up in the dictionary again it doesn't matter Rocky you phonetically he's the only Del real
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you got to worry about and then I love that but the way you Sly or of course
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Rocky the character but the way it's written I won't let that happen no more about the thumb I love the way that's
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worded because we don't say that like I wouldn't say like that I would say next time I'll break the thumb gaule that's
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how Ryan would speak but I love the rocky isms I won't let that happen no
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more about the thumb that's a great way of saying it it's cuz you have education if we go back to the Creed movie when
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he's talking to Michael be or to uh Donis should I say he says to him look I
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could tell by the way you're talking that you've gone to school well Rocky hasn't Rocky dropped out of like the
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ninth grade or something like that 14 so he hasn't been he hasn't had a proper formal education in 16 years yeah he
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makes all these grammatical errors because he doesn't know any better you
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know you know we also see Gazo like wave his hand
53:09
like no big deal yeah and we know that Gazo really likes Rocky like Gaz I think Gazo has to is a professional has to do
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his job and tell Rocky that he fued up but then he's not going to hold it
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against him right like he's not going to he's not nothing personal about it he
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aof spot yes agree and Gazo has one for Rocky yeah it's a potential Bromance
53:34
going on man wasn't Gazo originally written as the brother didn't you guys say that oh I think that was true yeah I
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think there was some truth to that that that's right so if that was written that way officially I think you're right it's
53:47
kind of played still to that there's a feeling of that even though they're not officially Brothers yeah brother yeah
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perfect yes yeah exactly if you look at them it's Brothers this relationship makes sense
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absolutely come on hey I won't let that happen no more about the
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thumb now watch this guy call him a meatbag and watch Joel Spinelli kind of hit him on the shoulder like come on enough of that like you very subtle like
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you you wouldn't see on the first time viewing but gazel hits him on the arm like come on enough enough tripping at him watch H
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know so on me B this good little stuff and then of
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course Rocky says the famous line I should have broke your [Music]
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THS great music ay this part of the movie is so sad
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yeah think it is loest now if you're watching this movie for the first time you're 16 minutes
54:44
into the film you're like what like this is not depressing but this guy's life is
54:50
just like can't get the girl can't be a good enforcer can't win boxing lives in a crappy apartment
54:57
wow this guy's got quite the life going it's really that when it rains it pours
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this is not a good week sometimes you have weeks that are better than other weeks and this is probably not one of Rocky's best weeks although he did win
55:09
that fight which was good but yeah you should see me I did real good and he's about to tell somebody else he did real
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good but that my friends will be the next episode teaser here where Rocky
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goes to the gym and we see the gym for the first time inside and we get to meet Mickey on screen and
55:27
Mike outside the gym remember Mike Jimmy Gamba plays Mike yeah we'll talk about that hey one thing I wanted to mention
55:35
just about the decline of that area there I was looking up some stats right now we complain about inflation cuz it's
55:41
high it's like five or 6% or maybe a bit higher in this time inflation was 10% a
55:48
year unemployment rate was about 10% too MH so inflation and unemployment were
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double here than what are right now and people are suffering right now wow your
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point I think it might have been Carter did something that he knew would not get him reelected but it was the right thing
56:06
country like he made a to help get the out of it all right well stand by for next week we'll be talk about the
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American decline in poverty and unemployment imagine if we did that
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we'll probably like triple our listeners though all right well there you go everyone that is episode three of one
56:24
more round I'm loving how we're doing this this is a fun rewatch and I'm even noticing things like when that little
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Joel Spinelli moment where he hit Buddy's arm hey come on enough tripping at Rocky I've never caught that before I just caught that literally watch this
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right now I even rewatched this scene like three times before going on this episode today so I I love it there's
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just little nuggets we keep catching and end is fantastic and I hope our listeners are during our one more round
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they're getting something else something else as well well that's it that's the end of the episode I didn't hear no Bell
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I just want to do one thing my
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wife you Atri I
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