Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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it's another side that like wants to take more it wants to go that one more round
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because like going a woman around when you don't think you can
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that's what makes all the difference in your life you know what i mean
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hello and welcome to another episode of one more round the rocky series podcast i'm your host and with me today is kyle
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as always well most of the time and we have a special guest host replacing katie for
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today well actually maybe forever i think i fired katie last week a guest hosting for katie almost as pretty
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[Laughter] how you doing katie is probably the one thing that's
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keeping your show afloat all right guys nobody wants wants me to replace katie
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okay well though they probably want you to replace me that's probably that that could be true that could be true
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definitely not no well no it's irreplaceable some would say yeah she's
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she's wonderful we have our show on youtube so if you're listening to this on itunes or whatever audio only we do
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ryan myself i edit the show now make it kind of youtube friendly so you can see us as we talk on on discourse if you're
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joining us live on discord we welcome you how many people just uh x out of their streams when they saw that i was
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here and not katie nobody yet we only have one person discord right now it must be a
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busy a busy sunday morning for people but um check us out live sorry yeah live and discord so you can join the
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discussions and then you can also join us on youtube and of course on your earbuds
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join my patreon okay in the show description is the patreon that helps pay for the feed uh yours truly ryan i i
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host the last of the action heroes podcasting feed a dollar a month is all you need to do and what what that gives
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you it helps uh gives me a little bit of tip a cup of coffee or pays for the helps pay for the last of the action
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heroes podcast feed and all the editing that i do and all that good stuff and i appreciate it
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and you also get an early release i'm getting really good at it now where i'm editing pretty good and so the patrons
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get early releases of the audio and a video i've i i just assume everyone knows who you are so i i shouldn't do that but
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maybe someone's listening for the first time so doug who are you what's what's going on
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well i i would guarantee almost nobody knows who i am um i'm one of the hosts of well actually at this point i'm
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probably the host the only remaining host of rocky minute um we uh we do a similar uh show to yours
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but we dissect the movie into one minute chunks and we analyze each one minute of
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movie time um we've done we've completed rocky one or the first rocky the original we've done rocky ii and we're
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limping through rocky iii i just started releasing episodes again so uh rocky iii
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it's pretty early in the movie i think i just um just released minute 12 or 11 or 12 um last week
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so uh yeah they'll be coming out you know they'll be drip drip dragging out here
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and there well don't sell yourself short there doug you are like the number one podcast
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on the like consistently your show when it does drop it's uh one of the top
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downloads if not the top download like weekly like the first week you guys come in strong you know people are looking forward to your show so we love having
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on the network because um yeah it's always great when people that invite the network have better numbers than me
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that's great but anyway so this is this is your second trip around
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the world here with uh you know everybody heard the first your first lap of rocky with your brother so
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yeah and kyle and uh yeah katie only came on during the creed so right right i think the people that have stuck
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around aren't listening again like you said they're not listening because of me and kyle they're probably listening for katie's uh katie's rendition of the
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rocky that's why people are dropping out left them right now today
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but this is a sausage fest today okay well this is the part spring to katie where she reads the emails and we
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only got one email this week and this is kind of awkward because and i don't think this has ever happened before in
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podcasting history but uh doug you're the one that sent the email
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what jesus
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i know so you're going to read it you're not going to read it in front of me are you i'm going to read in front of you
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an email well here we go so doug if you don't
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mind i'm going to read the email on behalf of katie okay just don't point out all my typos
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yeah well no no i mean yeah unfortunately you're not as smart as your hand so but
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you can't have everything okay uh my dear friends at one more round
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i'm loving your coverage of rocky so far and i love it when you hit the same beats that we at rocky minute hit when we covered it many years ago i like to
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expand on a few points if that's okay with you guys i'll allow it in the gym when mickey calls rocky a
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dumb [ __ ] and rocky spins around with that look on his face and all the action the gym stops our guest pointed out an
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amazing observation it's a wide shot with rock in the middle and there's one white wall
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one green wall and most of the boxers they're training are wearing red shorts
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mickey insults rocky's heritage and there he is surrounded by the colors of the italian flag
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now i'm not sure if that was john g albertson's intentions but once you see it it's impossible to ignore oh i would
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have never ever caught that i didn't even want that 100 more times and i wouldn't have made that connection
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it was a keen eye by the guests we had on that week and i was blown away when he said it and again like every time
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i've watched it since then i'm like there it is he's surrounded in the american flag as mickey calls him a dumb
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[ __ ] i honestly to me that you'd have to almost be like a rain man kind of character to notice something like that
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yeah yeah for sure and i believe our guests might have been exactly that yeah
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the way this uh email started doug it sounded like you're gonna say that you know uh the rocky was surrounded by a
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bunch of black guys one white guy in the middle surrounded by a bunch of black guys it's like the
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start of a really bad game all right or a really good one oh really yeah it
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depends yeah it depends what side the feds you sit on that's fine i should i should make that clear yeah it might not be my cup of tea but it could be some of
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our listeners i don't know handsome like ten times it's making me dude i've got a man
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yeah he's a good man he's a good man to add to your incredible jurgens insight well thanks doug if you go back to listen to minutes 5658
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of rocky minute we were joined by star trek producer ted sullivan and he offered some wonderful food for thought
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we consider jergens to be the true villain of the film and ted poses the question quote why doesn't apollo
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approach rocky about the fight it's because apollo isn't villain film he represents who rocky wants to be the
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american dream jurgens is the fat cat businessman who patronizes rocky and treats him like a child and fools him
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into buying his bill of goods the images of rocky sitting there and jurgen standing in his personal space and we
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added with his crotch right in his face did you catch that it's like right there
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uh the images of rocky sitting there and jurgen sending in his personal space towering over him him lying to rocky
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about all seeing this fight and liking them him appealing to rocky's patriotism the whole do you believe in america is
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the line of opportunity bull crap it's all jurgens representing the devil connie rocking to making a deal with the
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devil i love all you guys i can't wait for more your brother and rocky doug all
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right thanks that is very kind great observations yeah we definitely touched on the uh jurgens being the
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snake oil salesman type person i gotta i gotta say though
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it's not like this is jurgen's idea like jurgis is just trying to find some
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contender and this apollo came up with that i think jorge is just a sales guy in the film right like jerkins is
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probably the closest thing you would get to a villain but i wouldn't say he's evil i think he's
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kind of just an [ __ ] yeah in a movie like rocky it's not you know good versus evil you know it's just it's a it's a
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story you know it's not like a you know your typical hero's journey uh kind of story but um
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well instead of saying villains you know you could say adversaries or antagonists you know that that might be like a
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softer word for it the way that jurgens treats rocky and and you'll see even later on in the film ryan and uh you
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know that the scene in the ring he is an [ __ ] kyle said um he he
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patronizes rocky and he treats him like a child and that makes him instantly hateable because of the way he he talks
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to rocky he took over for mickey right like mickey's the [ __ ] in the first part
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of the film and mickey and rocky of course work all that out and
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jurgens is now the there's a brief overlap and rocky didn't like either of them yeah yeah uh your goods now has to
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be the antagonist right you guys ready for rocky trivia so doug you're playing for katie today by
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the way i'm representing katie in this yes and she's uh yeah well like i said i wish you were as
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smart as you were handsome because she's falling behind and she's a little bit nervous that you're filling in for her i'm not gonna lie she's like
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i got you katie don't worry don't worry about it uh hold on ryan uh did you guys do 26 through 30 while i
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was gone i think he sent me a message about it oh yeah because i'm editing that episode i'll just send you the
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points on offline i'll just send you i forget what they are off top my head okay yeah i'll just leave that button i
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just want to point out ryan as i'm listening along there is only there's only one question that i've
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gotten wrong the entire run so
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i don't know if you remember but when we covered rocky one we run pretty deep with the background details so you guys
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you guys while doing the minute by minute coverage yes i i not only hope but expect you guys to have even deeper
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coverage than what we're doing absolutely now listen um like if i get one of today's questions wrong you have to delete all of what i just said
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no sir no honor system i'm held to uh my integrity
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here all right are you ready okay so we did 26 to 30. yeah okay so
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play at home don't give your answers in discord how much money do spectators at the skating rink have
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to pay to watch remember we talked about this this is crazy we actually brought this up in our one of our episodes i
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brought this up i told you guys the answer in a previous episode yeah so kyle and benos kyle this was uh
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a future trivia question what age did rocky start fighting at
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another one that we kind of covered so this was brought up during their first date on the ice rink as well rocky
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mentions when he started fighting i feel like i'm going to do battle man i'm i'm terrible remembering numbers
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we're that was 32 just to confirm oh my apologies yes so that's right 32 33
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what is the date at the beginning of the movie i'm gonna get zero for five today
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jeez uh true or false what the ice rink is also skating school
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okay i'm feeling good now a 50 50 on that one yeah
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35 last thing when did rocky come up with the name italian stallion
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from the events of the film how long ago was it i guess oh boy geez rocco so again this is from taken from the uh
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the rocky trivia book 300 questions from rocky to balboa written by rocco machadei
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so machete thank you kyle okay so we'll check out those answers that at the end of the episode play
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along at home like doug's been doing apparently he's only got one wrong i think i got four out of five wrong there i'm not gonna lie you for sure got one
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wrong in this one i just i shouldn't say for sure whatever the difficulty of these questions the
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chances of getting five out of five are not good this is a hard week of question though
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yeah yeah i feel like we just got hustled at the pool hall
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the kid wrote a challenging book man i'll give him that yeah questions are so easy i got my confidence up and then he roped the dope
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on you yeah exactly the first of the questions were hand-picked nah they weren't hand-picked
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my job to protect you all right uh dave wants to say to you uh their duck you want to show the audience who are
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watching on youtube he likes your 1818 shirt this is uh i don't know if um
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yeah see you guys see it it's got the 1818 and the turtles on the front and on the back
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you can read that can you read it all i want to do is go the distance rocky balboa
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how far away are you from philly oh i'm about an hour that's not bad so you get to you can
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visit this kind of as much as you want i guess yeah i've been to philly a bunch but i've only been to the rocky filming
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sites including the steps one time back before the pandemic
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right oh yeah yeah that was fun all right well here we go guys ready to go into the film so like
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we said the last episode was the uh press conference whatever on tv
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uh where rocky mentions to adrian the comments bothered him on tv he didn't like being poked out a little bit it did
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bother him a little bit yeah and now we're going to the outside shot here of
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pat's king of steaks this is a real place by the way well this is iconic philly cheesesteak
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there's hats and then across the street there's genos the competitive competitive stick guys oh they're the oh
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they're competitive wow yeah they they don't like each other over there they're the most famous yeah yeah
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i didn't know that this was a famous i actually googled it just on a whim i was like i'm going to google pat's king of
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states to see if that place is still there but yeah so i learned very quickly of course with the google search that is that location and this day there's a a
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plaque in the floor where it says uh you know sylvester stallone stood here
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whatever all feeling rocky nice that's very cool now did you guys notice the garbage
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look at the garbage around like it's not prop garbage that's it's real philly garbage like there's
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one two three there's three maybe four uh garbage cans where you can dispose of
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your your waste if you need to my guess is that that maybe the wind has blown garbage from other
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places there because so easy to throw stuff away when there's so many garbage cans like i can't and
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there's bring it on the street yeah it's so weird like i know we don't do that now per se like we're
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more aware of just like my kids are we know we teach don't litter i mean that's obviously a message i grew up with don't
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litter it's just so weird like why were humans back then like blase about garbage it's like it's just so
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they didn't mind the filth like do you know what i mean by that like did people walk around saying uh whatever who cares
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this is a weird thought to me i don't know why i find that odd that garbage would be acceptable like right outside where you're eating too
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i have a unsubstantiated thought of why that might be the case
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this wasn't in philly but when i lived in london there wasn't garbage cans around
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now this isn't a philly specific thing but in london they got rid of a lot of their garbage cans because terrorists
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like iraq type of terrorists put bombs in them so you would have people whose job was
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it just to go around pick up trash on the street people just had a habit especially outer london not
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the touristy places you just throw stuff on the street knowing someone else would pick it up
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and i wonder if like back in the day with philly before they had public garbage cans that you knew there were
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street sweepers that was their job and they came out and you just threw stuff on the ground and so you developed kind
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of a culture of littering i don't know if that's true at all that's my guess that's a reasonable of
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the things i've heard that's more reasonable thinking okay just what we do and somebody else will get it maybe sure okay fair enough by the way dave in our
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chat says he likes gino's better than pats there's some loyal people people are loyal to pets people are loyal to
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genos it's a real turf war i had no idea it is and they're like on adjacent corners
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from one another so it's like it's like staring across the ring at one another
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if you look if you do like a uh you know google earth view of that location you'll see that they're right across
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from one another pretty cool he knows this uh looks a lot more
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flashy than pats does too i don't think pats has changed much from this image yeah i think you're right
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so we got an outside shot here we got rocky smoking uh he's talking to gazo and goggles
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where of course the of the press card so this is now so they watch the press conference on tv
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everyone feel he's kind of seeing this now together whether you're in the bars or at home whatever is big news right
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the local boy gets a child a shot at the title so gosel is now talking to rocky about this opportunity
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listen no the reason i brought you is because i i want to know if you got any money for training expenses huh i got a few
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dollars two bucks for here put this in your glove what's this 500 bucks don't worry
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about it you know you ain't never had any luck but i think this time lady luck may be
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in your corner what do you think maybe maybe hey thanks for the money though
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you know it's okay don't worry about it excellent all right hey wait a minute what i'm training huh
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come on hey all right so what's 500. that'd be about uh 2 grand okay so no
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500 bucks in 1975 is the equivalent of 27.53
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wow in today's money so that's a good chunk of change so you know you start training so it just throws you almost
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three grand here you go how about the training expenses so yeah buy a pet buy a pair of shoes
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outfit a couple weights maybe who knows so he's not going to be collecting money during training right
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it's like a 5-6 week camp so like 2700 bucks that'll cover your rent
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i'll cover some groceries like some there you go a good point yeah the way i was i was looking at it like
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it was his kind of uh leave of absence from work so here's here's a couple of 100 bucks to get you
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through the next few weeks of bills like he has a lot of bills and gossip takes the cigarette out of
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his mouth keep that in mind when we go to a later scene here but so he's hey come on rocky you're training so he grabs the cigarette out of his mouth and
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that's the last time we see a cigarette in rocky's mouth until rocky five i posted in the chat the plaque from pat
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stakes oh nice but yeah it says here on the spot stood sylvester stallone
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filming the great motion picture rocky november 21 1976 very cool thanks brian
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uh when we eventually go to philly try to get a cheesesteak here yeah sounds good to me oh how far are you are are
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you you're in toronto no no no i'm way out west yeah kyle are sort of close to each
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other like we're 16 hour drive type thing so close well consider how big canada is
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it's not bad like he's in the neighboring province to mine but now we're gonna have flight for me by
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ignorance about canada's that's fine joe tony what
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you're going to show up at the fight ringside
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let's see that's a cute little moment you know
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you're going to show up with the fight of course of course gaza's got ringside tickets he's got connections do you notice not a word from buddy the driver
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that rocky is somebody but he doesn't want any piece of him but when the script was originally written gazzle was
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supposed to be rocky's older brother you can see that closeness in their relationship this playful little
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exchange by them definitely screams like a brother kind of relationship gaza looks out for him he helped him
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with the date money the 50 bucks he's helping him with the 500 here he cares about rocky rocky isn't just some
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employee of his yeah even when he screws up you know he he talks to him like you know like a
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family member that screwed up not like an employee you know he doesn't like open him up undress them right
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there on the street like a employer would to an employee that's screwed up yeah you're gonna do your rocky minute stuff
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on our show dog or what's going on here what are you talking about i don't get
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many chances to guest on it
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i love it i love it okay now we've cut to the scene where mickey is making the climb up the stairs there to rock his
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apartment it's funny that staircase looks like almost like the same staircase they used in rocky
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2 when rocky walks up the stairs to mickey yeah it exactly does look like that
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you're right yeah i'd say so i wonder if it's just like the uh it's like philly
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or i guess they didn't film in philly never mind yeah a lot of the interior shots were la but yeah yeah this looks like almost
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like the same stairwell that they talked on in rocky 2 but it was but there was opposite living conditions you know mickey was living up there yeah they
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might have used the same staircase i think so probably here he goes to his left to knock on the door and
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it's opposite when rocky goes to visit mickey and rocky too yeah that's right
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mickey comes out with a pipe [Laughter]
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the moment of hesitation rocky is going to be training for this fight
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presumably he's going to go to the place he always trains they go to the gym right like unless he
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finds another boxing gym he's got to go to mick's gym to train he would think that mickey would kind of
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approach him at the gym and say hey can i help you out could i train could i be your manager
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but mickey decides to find rocky's address come to his house
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talk to him i think that's significant it kind of shows that mickey's taking an effort like
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i think he knows he kind of [ __ ] up earlier
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mickey is a very proud man this right here this is taking a lot i just mentioned the
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pause he he made before he knocked on the door like this is this is eating away at his soul that
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he's coming to rocky with his hat in his hand the only way he can do that is privately if he's in the gym among other
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fighters and other trainers there's no way that that he can be this leveling i think you're on point doug i think
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that's right
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hello kid i seen your light can i come in yeah sure yeah good
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hey this is nice place here first lie
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i don't know man place is kind of a dump too right yeah and mickey mickey probably came up
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living in like some [ __ ] place during the depression too so like to mickey's already like
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all right you got lights on he works we're good
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all right mickey's apartment he's got soup all over the floor yeah
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about the soup i was like you can hear it hit the carpet it's not just like you know it soaks in there
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and you know he doesn't clean it up so the only stuff stuck in the carpet
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i'll tell you that oh man anyway
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what i come to tell you is that that what happened to you
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is freak luck yeah freak this is a really horrible opening
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basically mickey's saying you know there's no way that you should be fighting the champ what you know some freak luck he should have just worded it
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better saying what an amazing opportunity this is right like this is an amazing opportunity wow can you
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believe this happened let's say that freak luck those two words combined just almost sounds negative you should just
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said what an amazing opportunity because it goes on to say here look at the other guys they're good fighters right stop underselling rocky's ability
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you shouldn't have said it yeah i agree with you ryan like that's a terrible opening it is really freak luck of course it is
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in the lottery kind of freak luck and frankly rocky doesn't deserve to fight the champ based on his record and based
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on everything he's done like he if it was a totally meritocracy
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rocky would not be first in line to fight apology even if he was legitimately the best fighter of the
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pack the record doesn't show that mickey's here to butter him up butter mop that's probably not the best opening
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i've always thought of this when he says the freak luck thing you have this one shot this amazing shot
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you know you gotta take advantage of it i.e you have to have me being your manager to help you make the most of
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this opportunity i wonder too if also he's worried that rocky's maybe this is
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going to his head and he has to bring him down a peg so rocky feels like he needs his help
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hey ryan you you train recruits but the first thing you do is you break them down before you build them up right
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if you have a rocky's he's already like a freaking broken down bum bug he's gotta take him he's gotta
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take him down a few pegs before he starts building him up yeah because rocky is the cockiest guy in the film yeah if anyone needs to be brought down
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to poor guy's already a schlub he needs to be brought up or
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you're right that's what i do to recruits but rocky does not need any help look at the other guys now they're good
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fighters right they're colorful they got good records they fight their guts out for peanuts
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but you you get a shot at the title first look at the stranger
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goodness can i sit down fisher what the hell are those oh those are the
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domestic turtles that the one on the top is coughing the other guys link and the rest of them are marbles
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they make good soup there's a laugh that was that was a good one
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gotta give that to i think it's funny but i would recommend again he's a horrible butter up job here
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like if you're trying to butter this guy up like i would recommend not talking about eating your pets
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yeah you can tell rocky doesn't like that either he doesn't find it funny at all the the way that only rocky can he
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says cough the other one's link and the rest of them are marbles he wasn't asking about the marbles
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yeah you got names for the marvel's rocky yeah the blue one the blue one is blue goo that pink one is
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old people they view animals differently we cannot really love our animals a lot
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nowadays and like personal relationships with them like aiming them and it's like the
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animals like part of the family it's like my grandparents they'd be like this kind of attitude or
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it's not the farm dog that doesn't work for stuff like you gotta you gotta kill it like why do you have this around
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mickey probably really has eaten turtle soup before i believe that 100
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i do like how rocky calls a domestic turtle it kind of like dignifies the turtle it's a domestic turtle as opposed
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to the wild ones that go crazy everywhere these are these are the these are the docile friendly turtles that
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were so those crazy rampant ones out in the wild anyway
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look i'm here to warn you that you got to be very careful about this shot that you
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got at the title because i don't like the bible says he ain't going to get a second chance
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yeah all right you thought of that huh well what you need
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is a manager a manager listen to me mickey likes to quote the bible i kind
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of researched it for rocky minute and it doesn't say that in the bible no it doesn't you read the whole bible
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yeah he's gonna get a second chance i looked i like searched for like passages of the bible talking about second
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chances and stuff it doesn't say that anywhere well the bible is that you do get a second chance
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is the whole point of the bible just like the bible says you blew it kid you blew it
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uh he says he's been doing this racket for 50 years okay now he says later in the scene he's 76
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burgess meredith's real age in the film is 69 so bearish meredith is the same age here as rocky was in creed part one
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actor-wise i should say actor-wise i find that so stallone was 69 in crete in the first creed virgins meredith is 69
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here uh both have aged a little bit differently but that being said his character though is 76. so that means
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he's been boxing which is odd that they said for 50 years i don't know he's probably just saying a number but they
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should have said 60 years because he said like that makes more sense that he was boxing since he was a teenager i
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know it's a small thing but do you think rocky at this point knows what mickey's getting at
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oh yeah yeah i was trying to look for clues in his face like an eye roll or something
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imagine if rocky was like do you know any good managers that can yeah
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i guess i needed magic i already said they get that do i think about that when mickey says
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he's been doing it for so long if you guys see the movie cinderella man with russell crowe
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just the one time but i so i can't recall much but it's boxing in the depression in new jersey actually
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because he has a bad string of luck where he went from a top contender to like fighting for like 50 bucks or
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whatever and it shows how they're they're kind of treated like animals and they're fighting hurt and it's just like
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a really like you're living hand to mouth yeah it's kind of interesting like if you watch that film i'd recommend if
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you haven't seen that film listeners watch that film and then you might get an appreciation for mickey a little bit
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and jim braddock's story is fascinating yeah it is wow look at you getting the name i've seen the one time i did enjoy
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it uh it's just like some things in life i just haven't seen a lot of films more than once but i
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remember watching and thinking it was a great film russell crowe was great in it
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i know because i've been in this racket for 50 years 50 years 50 years god i've seen it
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all all of it ah you know what i've done i have done it all
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well i have a theory maybe he's managed for 50 years because if you think about if he's close to 30
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he could maybe he had a mini prime it didn't last because pushing 30 gets kind of old too so maybe
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he started managing at a younger age so there you go so maybe managed at a young once rocky does realize what mickey's
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doing he kind of just just shuts him off just does everything but pay attention
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50 years hon and he grabs a male and he's coming through the nail yeah i've done it all you've done it all huh
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he doesn't want to hear any of it lift off your wife and you're trying to get out of it and she's not having it
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we know that all too well don't we yeah he's too nice to kick mickey out like
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rocky doesn't like confrontation he doesn't like to be rude he wants mickey to leave so his body
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language is showing the disinterest hoping that mickey will just be like okay he's not interested but rocky's too nice to say i'm not
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interested go away that's why mickey just keeps with the sales pitch because
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he's like oh i think i've got a listing near but rocky's checked out but mickey thinks he's listening even
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rocky reaches a point where he's had enough and that's when he tells mickey to scram yep i don't think he does does he not in
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so many words but he events he advances i think we're to get to that scene doug you know cheers
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at the scene we'll discuss it out of spite we're gonna stop it just for the scene we'll discuss it with katie next
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episode you didn't tell me the rules before this
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hey don't you listen to the show whatever punches that's all i know no rabbit punches
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no low blows so he goes on to say that you should have seen me when i knocked out jimmy russell out of the ring seen me when i knocked a guinea wrestle out
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of the ring out of the goddamn ring that's uh september the 14th 1923
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well that's a good trivia question when did mickey knock out guinea russell
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hey ryan this this supports your managing theory okay or your 50 years doesn't mean 50 years
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theory because if you do some math in 1975 right now we're not quite 1976
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and he says 50 years that of course is 1925 and then he just said right now whatever
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date 1923 i'd knocked any russell under the ring that's two years
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difference he's been fighting more than 50 years 1923 is more than 50 years from 1975. so
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it's managing and you could argue too that the 50 years of managing that's what he's talking about i've been doing this racket because he says racket talk
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about being the manager 26 seems a little young to switch to managing but hear me out hear me out because he talks
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about this fight and this is the fight where everyone should have been talked about mickey but
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they didn't because he didn't have a manager so this is where you could argue this was his big fight his big moment it never mounted anything so he went to
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manage he realized no one's gonna notice me anymore that was the biggest fight of my life so maybe he switched to managing
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after that uh moment that big moment didn't become what was supposed to be up so he's talking about his big moment and it
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never became anything because he didn't have a manager so maybe he switched trades so to speak to become a manager at a young age this is also another
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instance in the film of life and art kind of coming together because
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that was the date that lou ferpo knocked dempsey out of the ring which was a real you know real thing and here he's
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referencing it in a fictional movie we've talked about that how the rocky films talks well we're going to see
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rocky mars sandals soon here how the rocky films talk about these real [Music]
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boxers and that the rocky character has somehow he's in this same world with these real world champions i love it
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that purple knocks dempsey out of the ring the same night so who gets the publicity figuring that out
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that's right but why because he was champion oh because he had a manager
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right what [ __ ] what like rocky is absolutely right
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no no i mean what that mickey should have done
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is like yeah but that is true rocky but you know we gotta
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manage it remember when hogan slammed onto the giant in wrestlemania three
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that same day ice i bought islam an overweight guy but you know why everyone talked about hogan because he was part
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of the wwf you idiot that's why you're just backyard wrestling
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i want to show you something i want you to look at my face for a minute look at this i got 21 stitches over this left eye i
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got 34 stitches over this i you know what i had my nose busted 17 times
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basically mickey's just saying i got the crap beating out at me so many times maybe saying that because nobody managed
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me how to fight properly maybe i don't know why why is he giving the battle scar stories do you think it's his resume
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you know he's that he's you know shed the blood sweat and tears but rocky ironically has bragged that
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he's never had his nose busted so ironically mickey's talking about how his has been broken seven times as a
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resume but rocky's resume is mine's never been broken so which which is the better fighter either of them have a manager
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hey so this is where rocky got his it's okay to get punched in the face and not slip or block the punch philosophy of
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fighting from i guess so because mickey apparently must have fought that way if he had his nose busted 17 times
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yeah here's what i want you to do kid what i want you to do is stop blocking punches see take the bunches with your
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head see you know how big of a gash you'd have to have for 34 stitches to close it up on your face
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i was thinking they couldn't have been all at once five here yeah yeah cause you're right 34 stitches
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would be like from here to here [Laughter] and for our audio listeners that was a
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very long length yeah the last time was with that fight with sailor mike
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and i got that clip in here a good fight read that
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well it doesn't matter anyway he put this vegetation on my ear
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i love the vegetation on my ear which a lot of fighters of course get the cauliflower here is what it's referred to so i love how he calls it the
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vegetation on my ear and if you'll notice i watch this when you're watching high def uh burgess meredith you can
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actually see the makeup job they did of course made his ears and cauliflower you can see a little bit of the color
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differential on high definition you know we wouldn't see in the 70s back then on low def film but nowadays you can see
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the uh the makeup job on his uh both his nose and his ears for the for this isn't cauliflower ear like a an injury you get
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over time it's not like you get hit once you get cauliflower here right yeah true that's right the red cauliflower ear is
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more of a wrestler's injury than uh well it's any kind of rubbing rugby players get it too that's why a lot of
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the rugby players wear that stuff over the ears to protect that from happening same way any kind of rubbing damage yeah
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one a one time hit wouldn't do it ah rocky maciano
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you know you kind of remind me of the rock you know that you really think so that's
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right and now this is my i wasn't my one complaint about the film's called rocky
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i i would say this is probably you can't change it now it just is what it is but i admit back when this first
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came out even though i was kind of younger i was confused i know i'm not the only a lot of people have been confused about the rocky name
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and the rocky marciano now rocky named himself rocky after rocky martinez it's basically the equivalent of let's say i
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wanted to be a guitar god and i named myself like i don't know ryan van halen that's
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what rocky did here he gave himself the nickname because of rocky mars christian name is not rock like his
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christian name is not rocky rocky in the movie he gave himself that name because of his adoration of rocky
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mars mickey is right by the way that rocky balboa and rocky marciano do
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kind of have similar like would rocky finally this is like the time rocky finally replies to mickey to blow them
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off otherwise but when mickey says hey you remind me of this guy because you really think so
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so here right in the scene in the script it says mickey has rung the bell nothing could please rocky more than being compared to
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his idol rocky marciano have a very similar fighting style
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punching power um like iron jaw hard to put down on the ground like he's
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very very similar so i'm sure that sylvester stallone wrote his character well yeah of course yeah
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that's the whole point that wasn't an accident you're right this is what this is the whole meta weird thing so you got sly writing the script sly puts in the
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script rocky marks not a character who's a real life boxer the sly himself has always loved boxing he's loved the sport
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his whole life so he puts in one of his favorite boxers into the film titles his character after that boxer that he likes
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in real life that his character likes in real life it's his whole meta life in our art like that's what i love
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about the rocky films of course is just how much it just mirrors r uh well sly's inner being or thoughts but but i just i
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just say that as a moviegoer a lot of people who aren't familiar with box who aren't familiar with rocky mars
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who aren't familiar with sly might just be a little bit like like rocky rocky i don't get it that's all
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it's just a very it's but you and i and everyone who knows the films like i just said we know
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yeah rocky just loves the guy and he just nicknamed himself rocky after the character rocky marciano was in the
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computer fight against muhammad ali i think they did the computer simulation
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and like right in real life and yeah that echoes itself later in the rocky balboa film which i think is kind of
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cool right here mickey did get rocky to perk up a little bit when he compared him to
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piano yeah it helped a little it helped a little bit and he goes you move it i can get high like he did so again true
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statements by mickey are true statements but he's saying it to butter up rocky but they are true statements but rocky
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doesn't know if mickey truly has felt this way all this time it's generally a bad idea to come in someone's house and
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tell them they didn't deserve their opportunity you should eat your own pets
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and i'm the man and i was the best when i was younger and you should do kind of more of hey you're a good fighter
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i think you should have led with that hey what an amazing opportunity yeah just like rocky marciano i think you got
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a chance with let me manage you that might have helped sir yeah or i'm sorry
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[Music] uh and uh dave in our discord said that was his favorite line of the movie right
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there i got a heart but he got no locker that's uh dave's favorite moment there mickey's a very proud man it is hard to
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see your story sometimes especially if you're really proud like if it were me in the situation and i came in i'd be
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like hey look i know i've said some stuff to you it was unfair and it was hurtful
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you have this good opportunity let me make it up for you by helping you out here like i should have helped you out
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six years ago on the presentation i would say 2022 men
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yeah or us today we we just we think more enlightened of course than men did 40 odd years ago especially men
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mickey's age who would be over 100 today like it's just yeah they never expressed their feelings this way
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yeah i think that's a fair point anyway you know when i've begun in this business kid
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i want to make a suggestion don't drink that piss before a fight now this is interesting so time rocky
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rock is just grabbed the beer out of the fridge and he starts drinking it and mickey suggests hey don't drink this stuff before a fight
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now remember just moments before the same evening gaza took the smoke out of his mouth so already he already has these two
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peripheral characters taking stuff out of like semi training them like stop smoking stop drinking take this fight
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seriously that's coming up and mickey's right and what's also interesting is that rocky actually does put it down i
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think it's subtle like he doesn't hold on to the bottle doesn't keep drinking it throughout the scene with me he actually does put it down and stops
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drinking so even kind of like ah this i guess that is good advice from this guy no good for you
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you don't mind my saying anyway you know when i started this racket bugs like us we was treated like
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dog for ten bucks you gotta tear somebody's throat out but i never had no management
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you know one time this this son of a [ __ ] that i thought you know he put a nail right
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there so the thumb yeah the glove and he punched so many holes in my face and i
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had to spit shooting out of my cheeks imagine that
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we've we've talked about this you know with the proposed or the fandom of a mickey prequel so to speak of his like
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that would be the scene i think all the rocky fans would love to see that fight you know you see the guy in the corner
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putting his thumb tack in and nikki gets punched he's like bleeding out of his cheeks that'd be a gruesome but in the
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rocky fandom lore that's a i think a scene we don't like to see played out i'd love a mickey prequel i don't think
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the marquette would like it too much the the film goer market unfortunately
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but if in a perfect world if they could make it just for us rocky fans that would be one yeah yeah i wonder if
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there'd be a fan base for that well i'm sure the uh the easygoing and generous uh erin winkler who owns the rocky
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rights maybe he'll uh allow it to happen well yeah there should be a parody where erwin
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winkler like he's super old goes to sly's house
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and then they agree to make a mickey seek or mickey freak at the end actually that's sort of what happened
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for creed that's funny that you bring that up kyle okay because yeah because erwin winkler
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had to beg slide to do creed one sly was done with rocky they are not in
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good terms they had i don't know what they dangled in front of was probably mine sly didn't want to do creed not so much
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because of cooler in the script and resurrecting the rocky character rocky thought he had already buried rocky about with rocky balboa the film but
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it was irwin winkler that he's the one that green lights everything so but they can't do the creep film without
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sly it would have been possible and so they they twisted his arm so i wonder what they threw out of money-wise i don't
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know if it's ever been revealed but anyway when i tell you what it looked
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like when i was uh in my prime i want you to look at something look at that look at that that's the way
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i looked hey show us a picture there i believe that is burgess meredith wearing box gloves is it not
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i don't know get a close enough look at it well look that's a good free shot there
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i mean i can't zoom it in for you guys so obviously i don't have that kind of technology but on your time you could
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probably zoom in on it but it doesn't enhance yes do you fight in real life i don't know
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uh i think uh a better podcaster would would have researched this stuff before the episode but what weight class would
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he have been in he's a tiny man rocky's not that tall and he's like
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head taller than burgess meredith but i love how he pulls out that picture i love rocky's comment it's just again
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amazing writing by slide because a lesser writer might not have written this i think this is amazing writing slide because mickey pulls out the
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picture the first thing rocky says you don't take very good care of that picture it's just like what a great
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thing to say like of all the things to say he's saying which isn't fair this is a newspaper clipping or whatever it's
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like 30 to 50 years old like come on that's not bad conditions fly at least 50 years old i think it's funny too
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because they're kind of cut from the same cloth in the sense that they both enjoy showing stuff like
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when rocky was on his date with adrian he talked about how he the the beanie crate show fight broke both his hands on
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his face and out of out of nowhere he pulls that out of his wallet be like
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hey look at this is the picture of beanie right here right like kind of like having all these little
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tokens of their previous fights and who they were and stuff like they're very similar in that sense
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that's what these guys got at me it's nice to take very good care of the fish you
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know but i never had i never had no management that's a trouble but i got all this knowledge i
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got it up here and i i want to give it to you i want to give you this knowledge i want to take care of you there it is
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finally finally this comes out with it like this is where the real mickey does come out this is where the passion
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speech comes out where you say okay look i've got all this knowledge i want to give it to you my life is coming to an
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end yours is sort of just beginning in this moment this is a huge moment you basically fast forward to the biggest moment of your life i've got knowledge i
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legit have stuff in my head that i think with you we could have a some sort of chance you could last a
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little bit longer than you would without me and i believe too that rocky his heart knows that he can't do this
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without mickey's help but he's not going to make it easy on mickey i want to make sure that all the [ __ ]
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that happened to me doesn't happen to you you know what i mean if the first said
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listen me i want to be your manager you follow that did you fight said i don't need no match
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but you can't buy what i'm gonna give you i mean i've got pain and i've got experience i got pain i got experience
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too ah listen kid hey lord hey
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i need your help about 10 years ago right 10 years ago you never helped me you didn't care well if you wanted help
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so he's been going to mix gym for 10 years but it's funny because he said 10 years ago i wanted help he wouldn't give it to me
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and then he says for the past six years you've been sticking it to me like so he's been going to mick's gym for 10
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years and then there's a four year period where things were okay i guess and then so he
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was 20 years old when he went to gym but then from the age of 24 to 30 in the film
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mickey's been a dick because mickey said he was a dick to him because he saw that he was a good fighter but was wasting
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his talent so maybe mick for those first four years was either a ignoring him or b kind of
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just observing him from a distance and then at some point he figured rocky
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in the effort or he's wasting his time doing other stuff and he kind of wrote him off and then once he wrote him off it
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started bothering him so then he started sticking it to him
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i say if you wanted help why didn't you ask why didn't you just ask me kid look i asked but you never heard nothing
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well i uh i know i
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i'm 76 years old i love that he starts to give a sob
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story about his age like i'm dying i'm dying out here he had nothing to say back to rocky it's
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at this moment where he sees it as it's over it's over i made my my plea
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and rocky's not buying it so he kind of goes into a little woe is me with i'm 76 years old
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he i want to say gaslight's rocky but he kind of flips it back on rocky and rocky's like i needed your help 10 years ago and you
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didn't want to hear me then mickey turns around and says well why didn't you ask me
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oh kind of like victim blaming like if you wanted help just yeah i was here you know but you as a father figure
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you know if you was that much of a father figure should recognize a plea for help in your students you
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know if he saw rocky's talent like he said he did he would think he'd reach out and be like hey look you're talented fighter
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could i manage you do you think someone who wants to be a manager and who wants to be successful
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has an eye out for talent you know we don't hear after the toil flush sink
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running but i he flushed the toilet on ricky on purpose
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i think oh you don't think he did any business in there i think i think it was designed to be like this is the bunch of crap you're
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throwing at me and i'm flushing down it was a purposeful metaphor on rocky's part yeah but you're right there's no
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water running afterwards that was a very quick p had he gone but i think it was literally like dude i
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don't want to hear it new flushes and mickey recognizes that's why he walks away like oh it's a little crap i'm throwing at him
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and he's just dumping it down and uh
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now he's curses there you see that yeah yeah he drops the f-bomb there but they don't caption it on the blu-ray and they
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don't but it's just barely there burgess meredith go like oh and but it's it's there yeah but it's
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just odd not audible enough that they didn't warrant the uh the rating to to showcase that but just
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subtly trust like oh f this it's probably just burgess meredith being burger's meredith so he goes to touch
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his head like oh yeah i forgot my hat i left my hat here so he opens and close the door to get his hat and of course rocky thinks burgess meredith or sorry
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that mickey has left the apartment but he hasn't so i had to grab his hat puts it on rocky comes out the crapper oh
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you're still here dude sorry shuts the door now he really knows it's over yeah you
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see how timid rocky is like you were saying you can't ask mickey to leave like imagine if you had a confrontation
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basically hid in the bathroom until they left your house when he heard the bathroom door open and he spun around
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there was a little glimmer of hope in his eye rocking his eyes yeah yeah and then he closed the door on him and he's that you
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saw it just drained from his face yeah the conversation's over so mickey leaves close the door to finally
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rocky now comes out knowing that he's gone now that mickey's gone he vance goes took you long enough to get here
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we'll just play this speech out here basically yells everything that's been in his
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you ten years to come to my house huh what's about you don't like my house
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miles stink that's right it sticks i have no baby from you
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don't fall around
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god comes up offers me a fight big deal i want to fight the fight yeah i'll fight the big fight
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i wouldn't want to fight that big fight it was going to happen i'm going to get that i want to beat that
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anyone i'm going to be excited to see it do you you want to help me out hop do you want to see me get my face
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take that legs ain't working nothing's working they go go up fight the chair
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face kicked in are you coming around here you want to move in here with me come on christ
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house real night come on in the middle it stinks
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don't play states you wanna help me out well help me out
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come on help me out i'm standing here
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with this scene so yeah a great wall yeah it's one i don't want to pause it's an amazing amazing acting by sly of
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course a tirade both he's feeling everything he's mad at mick matt is taking so long he's also mad that he has the chance to fight the
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champ because he's mad he's going to be embarrassed his lazy ain't working he knows he's not in shape he literally has
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taken the money to help his life out he recognizes that in himself he recognizes that he does need help he recognizes
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that he can't do without mick so he's mad at himself that he's even admitting all this all these things are flown through this needed to happen
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in order for rocky and mickey to move on thing is though rocky doesn't have the
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heart to do it to mickey's face just like mickey couldn't bring himself to apologize rocky
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as mad as he is at mickey he has enough respect for the man to not you know just determine new one face to
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face it needed to be to get out in the open mickey needed to hear it he knows
55:16
mickey's you know still with an ear shot that moment they can move on and work together
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rocky genuinely and i think this is ironic doesn't like hurting people
55:27
which is funny given that he took up boxing as a profession and also
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has a career breaking thumbs but she's hesitant to do as we saw with bob
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i don't think he wants to get in mickey's face and cause that uncomfortable tension
55:46
with him and a disrespect to work that right to his face i honestly i think scenes like this
55:51
is one of the reasons this movie got best picture i think it was so well done i think it described so well how people
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what people like these two would actually i think i think this confrontation would have gone down like this
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in real life had you had two people like this get together and had to work it out like that let's say that mickey did come with a
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different approach and said listen i know we've had some bad blood rocky and i apologize for things that
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i've said in the past but i believe you need my help to uh make the most out of this opportunity uh
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let's work together i don't know if rocky would would have had the opportunity to undress him the way he
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does here rocky's whole demeanor would have changed if mickey came at him that way i agree and i i think rocky had to
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vent that he probably felt great after he said all that [ __ ] finally got the the years and
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years of resentment and anger and tension out finally venting that to
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mickey because i think he knows mickey heard him you had to have that boil over he had to
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have it go nuclear in order to push the reset button on this relationship yeah 100 agree
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we're going to see the difference in his demeanor now when he comes uh when he comes out of the apartment
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thanks geez man really get out if you want oh trust
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me dogs would be edited out this whole episode i think you know ryan for for an hour and 20 minutes you've been sticking
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it to me i want to know why you don't want to know i want to know
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you want to know i want to know how cause doug you have the chance to be my
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co-host but no one said he did the crappy rocky meter podcast it never gets released
57:32
ouch [Laughter] oh i love you doug i just want to say
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two of course most people know this but there might be the odd person who listens to us know but when rocky says
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it stinks this place stinks that was real life uh sly said that the uh bathroom itself true like there's a real
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apartment they actually filmed the sequence in a real apartment that the bathroom legitimately stunk so the script wasn't
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written to say that sly in that moment was saying place stinks the whole rant wasn't in the script
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after mickey leaves the apartment rocky sits on his bed thinks about it for a couple minutes and then goes chasing after mickey
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awesome that ram wasn't in there at all i love it i love that kind of stuff the best some of the best stuff that
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happens in any movie the ad libs up the human that human emotion stuff that comes out the real human stuff yeah
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improv but a dramatic improv all the same cool so of course rocky like doug said that rocky will come out and
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give and i love this tender moment it's actually it is from this moment on that the father-son relationship is solidified
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and continues but it's really interesting how much rocky puts his arm around him looks his hand it's just a very tender moment and
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of course the bill conte music of that but watch mickey's a little bit afraid when rocky runs up to he halts a little
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bit whoa whoa he's a little bit as he backs up so yeah backs up a little bit mickey backs away a little bit afraid of course he's got
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this lumbering guy coming at you but then it's like oh mix it i'm sorry rocky's probably whoa
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wait wait wait wait he puts his arm around mick leans in close to talk to him so doug what are your thoughts what do you think rocky's
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saying here what would be because it's not that long of dialogue oh i feel like he's saying
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sorry i said those things i just needed to get that stuff off my chest of course i want you to to work with me
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i think you would have said even less i think he would have just like it's okay mick it's okay let's do it let's let's train
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you know it's just good if this scene was written today you would have like a big dramatic like
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uh monologue i love what they do with almost nothing in the scene with the arm
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around his shoulder and a handshake and that's it also let's point out that the the
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lack of money that they had for this they had no money for lighting and everything this street they do that
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thing where they wet the street so the light um shines off it but he encounters mickey right underneath
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that one street light it's all the way down the block so i mean they're in like the way back of
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the frame and you just you see everything you need to see i think that's great cinematography it's it's
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perfect it's like it's iconic and in of course bill conte's music there makes it even better
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i think i do say retrospect because i've heard this music so much growing up
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and i love the film so much but i don't know i think it's funny when i was recording with seco he did karate
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kid who bill conti did the score for that too it isn't as memorable in karate kid like
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there's no real musical score from that that anyone could hum for example but the rocky one
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everyone knows any real fan knows that music they could hum that if they can if they can carry a
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tune at all right i think without the music this scene wouldn't have been as good either like it's kind of like the stuff doug was saying and the music and
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everything just kind of came together right to make this scene really good what's the difference between a piano
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and a fish oh you got two and a piano but you can't tune a fish a little rocky five humor
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oh man shakes hands comes back for a handshake yeah but he
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brings his hand and goes come here he actually motions mickey to come here shake hands so even mickey might at this
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point like must've been really stung by that moment because he's still a little bit hesitant but it's really now rocky leaning to like let's do this let's make
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this work bridge that gap and he seems even excited by the agreement because when your jaw's back he gives another like a cursory a wave
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back like kyle said before like all that venting must have been like a huge
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weight lifted off his shoulders now he feels much lighter the wave and then rocky does a bit of a
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run i think he weighs back again or he looks back yeah there it is
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i love your train too yeah training it's just perfect shot
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honestly i think it's stuff like this is what made this field get best picture yeah that train was all timed of course
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we know that but they had people like forget how they did it but they were able to time it just like that and this
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yeah it's amazing and stuff guy was down the street saying okay the train's coming
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yeah it's called that's awesome by the way i know we can't have this in the episode but this radio next to his
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clock pretty sure he made that in 9th grade shop class or something
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all right you guys ready for the rocky trivia answers oh yeah
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okay here we go 31 how much money do spectators at the
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skating rink have to pay i said five dollars doug thought it was six
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it's two gentlemen damn it okay kyle you're gonna have to keep score here i think i did really poorly here
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sorry katie uh oh for one two i actually went with two let me see
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what the answer is though let's wait one sec yeah you're right kyle two dollars okay what age did rocky start fighting
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and i said 15. that's what i said that was my guess as well okay i don't know if it was 15.
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was it stated that yes he told ra he told adrian during their skating mat
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uh sorry their skating date that he started boxing at that age oh this is the real tough one next what is the date
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of the beginning of the movie i said november 23rd 75
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25th i said september 25th okay what did you say doug november
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all right i said november 2 3 november it is november 2-5 oh no
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[Laughter] it was the day before thanksgiving i for some reason i thought that more
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time had to lapse between that scene at thanksgiving but you're right i i was on oh this is great great
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for katie great for katie this is a kitty needs a point true or false the ice rink is also
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skating school i said yes because they have the lessons they have advertisements for lessons how would you
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say yes sir or no true okay also true yep and the last one is when did rocky
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come up with the name the italian stallion i'm gonna say it was eight years ago it says to the press
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conference guy eight years ago do you remember two i said eight he said eight years ago
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when he was making dinner yes yeah yeah but yeah eight years ago when he was eating dinner
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he was making dinner i'm pretty sure he probably ate it too guys give rocco come on
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go back to the press conference because i always think if he can't fight anybody he can cook line yeah i'm just
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saying that's what rocker wrote he know what rock but yeah it was yes eight years ago was the answer so we all got that one
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so doug again say to the listeners who might not know who you are where they can find you
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you can find me right here on the last of the action heroes podcast network uh my podcast is called rocky
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minute where we go through the rocky films one minute at a time yeah great stuff great show of course of
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course doug myself and craig from slycast we uh cover sly films that aren't rocky or rambo on the uh
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sylvester stallone podcast also on this feed doug's also guest hosted on my rambo podcast it's the long road check
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out uh that show if you're a sly fan you're listening to this you don't realize it i do a ramble podcast called it's a long road and it's a lot of fun
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and doug you'll come on again i hope for that yes for that waiting for you okay i hope you by
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i also don't want cico to get mad at me um i also do the arnold podcast with him once a month
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kyle you're going to come back on i've already decided that you and katie will both be on at the same time because i'm actually i have too many
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too many guest co-hosts which is a good thing i didn't think i was going to have that many i got people that want to come back and i still have people that i haven't asked yet so i'm kind of running
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out of i don't have enough episodes per host so i'm going to double you and katie up for the next guest so that
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show's been great okay well we want to thank people who hung out during our discord chat look check out the show notes again what is discord people
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are asking discord is you can watch us live it's all unedited you can watch us take pee breaks it's a lot of fun uh
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because what you hear on itunes isn't the whole show okay so there's even jokes that don't work that you get to hear live all that good stuff
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that's it the episode's over didn't hear nobel
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