Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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all right take two i just gave a whole freaking spiel
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and i forgot to hit record so that's okay i'm gonna edit myself and i'm just gonna be a little bit more quicker okay
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disclaimer before episode 11 starts okay so this episode was recorded before i
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recorded my episode with craig check out the stallone podcast network shows and
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there's two shows i did there one with craig one by myself the one i did with craig talks about
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uh our thoughts and feelings on the instagram information stuff that came out after the recording of this episode
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11 of one more round then i did another episode called the fight for rocky's legacy something to that effect i can't
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remember the exact title without looking at it and and that one is a really cool one
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because i received insider information from a deep throat close to sly i just wanted to give this little
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disclaimer it has come to my attention that nobody's ripped me off if you know what i'm talking about you know what i'm talking about but there's i'm gonna give
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you two things one of them true and one of them isn't okay first off the information i received from my deep throat is legit and that
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was verified by other people to me that also no sly and i'll leave it at that okay
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two no here's the two theory sorry uh the deep throat told more than one person
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correct information or there's more than one source telling the same information i'll leave it to
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you listeners to decide which one you think is true either way doesn't matter because i haven't named any names nobody
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knows what i'm talking about and i've given you two possible theories so i just want to let you know that the other channels like viking samurai who i
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thought ripped me off did not rip me off they just received the same information i received from such a reliable source
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whether it was the same informant or a variety of informants is irrelevant but the information is so cool all it does
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for me ryan is it makes me feel less special i'm not as important as i thought i
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never was but you know it was a small part of me was like yeah i'm fighting for sly but i wasn't anyways um i'm just
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back to being a hammer [ __ ] okay here we go guys so thanks for all your support thanks for supporting the channel
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it's another side that like wants to take more it wants to go that one more round
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because i go in the womb around when you don't think you can
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that's what makes all the difference in your life you know what i mean
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welcome to another episode of one more round the rocky series podcast i am your
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host ryan and with me today as always is katie and kyle ladies first katie how
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you doing hello i'm doing great how are you guys ladies first kyle do you want to answer
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that [Laughter] uh is that a pejorative huh maybe a
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pejorative is that right what's a pejorative yeah he's great [Laughter]
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i am doing good it's a long weekend here i think in bc2
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oh yeah it's like a civic holiday called heritage uh
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it's a heritage day where it's uh we have like a festival i guess in the city here where
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it's like tent set up from like pretty much every country and people you live here in edmonton from that country kind
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of showcase their cultural items and food and stuff like that and
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you go around it's pretty cool that is cool so you guys that's what you guys are doing this later today or you did
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that yes well you know what i'm probably not going this year just because my three-year-old
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is a handful and this heritage days is usually packed and i haven't been there
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the last couple years because it has been canceled due to the pandemic so i'll probably uh hit it up next year though
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just put him on a leash oh you know what i remember as a kid i was incensed seeing other kids in alicia
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i'm like that is just [ __ ] now that i have kids i'm like some kids deserve to be on a leash i'm like not
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all kids but from kids too let's get to it uh ladies and gentlemen we'd like to welcome all those who join
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suit british columbia i just got doxed by kyle and you get to hear him say
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willikers that's that's one out of the vault for a hundred dollars katie will have a bikini
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shoot i believe that was on the table katie was that uh actually just go to your facebook page
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you have to pay two hundred dollars if you don't want to see me in a bikini that's what it was
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there were some people requesting to see you guys in the shorty shirts
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on facebook yeah that won't happen i'd do it for money i'd do anything for money okay so
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sly two weeks ago at the time of this recording he released his erwin winkler kind of rant regarding the producer
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irwin winkler regarding the rocky rights a sly's lack of control of any sort
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apparently it's actually called blocking rights is my understanding from the research i did these last couple weeks is that irwin winkler has blocking right
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so basically it's complete complete complete control my understanding as well is the irwin winkler's sons they're
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the ones who are of course getting the wealth from the rocky films erdogan winkler the producer has also done other
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films that failed at the box office and the rocky film money was used to uh
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mitigate the losses that erwin winkler's producer suffered because of his failed projects so he used the rocky franchise
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money to recoup his losses of his own personal type films lastly apparently
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erwin winkler's wife margot hates sly because she wanted her sons to be
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self-sufficient and to take care of themselves through their own creations but they've used sly's rocky's money to
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become millionaires and so instead of hating her own sons she hates sly so
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there's some more background regarding that i also got from a reliable source i
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cannot say this person's name you like all this katie you like all those gossip and everything
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why just me i don't know girls like awesome i don't know okay so i got from a very reliable
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source he did say okay there you go i gave you the gender he did say that i could quote him but i can't say who it
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is all right so he goes on to say uh sorry this is about the legacy the future of the brand
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winkler and his kids literally control everything with it they have ridiculous blocking rights
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they single-handedly stop the prequel series in another film all because the wife hates sly
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it's a disgrace the sly has no say in his own creation and that's what it's all about it's not about the money he
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says here this slide called this individual personally and we spoke for almost an hour and so this is everything
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he knows about the topic right now uh he goes uh bill chart off the other producer he owns the rights and is
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totally on sly's side but of course he wanted to greenlight everything he goes on to say that i can't stress that
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enough it's about control the winklers could literally make a rocky pornography film if they wanted
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bad example he says but i just wanted you to understand the situation and sly would be unable to stop it that kind of
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gives you a little bit of a background now this was before slide just yesterday at the time this recording posted another
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instagram story regarding the new news that just happened this week that
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there's going to be a drago and sun spin-off series slash movie before we
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get into the uh the actual our thoughts on this series or its potential let me just read to you what
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sly said about this announcement he said another heartbreaker just found this out
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once again this pathetic 94 year old producer i guess he uh had
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his birthday recently because he was 93 on sly's last post so i like how slides keep it up with the proper age
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this pathetic 94 year old producer and his moronic useless vulture children
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charles and david are once again picking clean the bones of another wonderful character i created without even telling
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me i apologize to the fans i never wanted rocky characters to be exploited by these parasites
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by the way i have nothing but respect for my true friend dolph lundgren i guess saying there that dolph signs on
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he understands businesses business he has no hard feelings on dolls part because you can't do the dragon series well obviously dolph participating so i
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guess sly saying dolls all obviously already agreed to do this or they wouldn't announce it last episode i had
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said that almost everything i've heard from sly has focused on art which i i didn't like
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and then if it was a an issue of control or mystic whatever then i get that based on
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your conversation with your horse with the deep throat we'll call it um
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i totally get that yeah i get that for sure because he created that character you know their
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projects are getting onwald because of personal ever
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sly has every right to be pissed off at that i totally respect that is every right to
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be pissed off that if his projects are being stolen one is making new series that he's you
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know i'd be back to and especially since he wouldn't have known and the rights and and i think
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what winkler should have done sold the rights back in a good amount too i'm not saying you should give them back
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that's business in reality at the time if 75 or whatever
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rocky could have gone bust he could have bought those rights rocky wouldn't have went anywhere and still pocketed the money
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sprinkler he made a good investment and i can't fault him for that but if i were winkler i'd say okay
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stallone i will sell you these rights back for x amount dollars it won't be cheap but it'll be yours
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well said as long as you're not gouging like i'm not gonna be like i want a billion dollars for this but there's
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ways to appraise stuff like that to me that would be the fair thing to do
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and stallone has all over it winkler gets the money to be fair that's side of the story we haven't
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heard winkler's side his emotions are valid everything he said on there is like i would feel that way too
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however as a public figure i might a little more cautious because he's burned every possible
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he must feel like there's no bridge to burn anymore but my thoughts are like swirling
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i'm kind of surprised that he ranted again on social because didn't he remove the last one afterwards somebody was
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like hey you should maybe take this down and then he did it again which was surprising so glad that he didn't [ __ ] all over it
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where dolph is concerned because i think this is an opportunity for dolph lundgren and florian montano
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as we had talked about how we wanted to see more of him when we covered creed 2.
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so i think it's a really good opportunity for those two so i was glad that sly kind of recognized that i
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actually kind of dig this because i loved their story in creed 2. i thought
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that movie may as well i think we even maybe said as much like the movie should have
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been called the dragos because we felt like their storyline um kind of stole the show and so i very
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much wanted to see more of them with that i'm really happy about it i did have some hope hearing the news that
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sly would be in it but i don't know if that is completely closed given his comments or or what i
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know we have a different type of audience that listens to us we got some audiences who listen to us i
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won't say any names who like hate sly almost or kind of like always crap talk them or something so we got that kind of
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listenership almost revel and the pain this individual is going through for whatever reason i think the balancing
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act i think at the end of the day there's a sly fandom rocky fandom but there's also the church's sly which
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i know none of us three i think us three here are pretty moderate i think the three of us here have the same kind of
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moderate fandom meaning like we love the rocky films i love the ramble films i know you guys do too uh kyle he's he's
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becoming a new fan of the ramble films but the point is we enjoy the films i love sly but he's also human and it's
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also business and it's not a quote-unquote about money but nobody wants to just lose money like kyle said
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in our last episode like even a millionaire a multi-millionaire doesn't want to lose 200 that's partly why they're rich is because they like money
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and they don't want to have less they want to have more so i've heard the comments and some of the sections of the
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instagram greed3 and i get that but part of me is like here's the thing it is a business
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movies are a business just like a restaurant is a business any company is
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a business nobody fixes cars as a mechanic because they feel good about it you could be good
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mechanic but you're still there to make money you know you could be a good chef but you still want to make money i
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understand if the chef ramsay creates a burger and somebody else makes millions off that of course he's gonna be he's gonna be hurt by that it's like hey
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that's my burger i made that creation you're calling it the chef ramsay burger you know now you get to make it any way
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you want but that wasn't the way i originally made it you know i made it this way but now you're making millions off my burger and it wasn't the burger i
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made even though chef ramsay is a multi-millionaire he might not like the idea of somebody else making burgers in
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his name that he didn't create and changing the recipe and where it doesn't even represent the burger anymore it's
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all these things money reputation legacy control
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everyone's right in their own perspective erwin winkler's right he's a businessman said hey man sucks sucks to be you you sold me the rights when
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you're a starving actor now i've got them i don't want to give them back i'm taking care of my family sly is like ah
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man sucks to be me i should have sold you those rights give me a piece of the pie because you've been using my uh the money from the character created for 40
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years they're both protecting their assets koi's this is a hatfield mccoy situation both parties they're focusing
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on their self-interest okay so that's kind of where i land a little bit where i get sly i get you man it's not that
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i'm team sly it's just i'm a fan of sly i'm not a fan of a producer of movies like
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oh yeah i love erwin winkler productions i don't care about him as a producers they just front the money that's their
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job the job is to make the project happen winkler is saying i hey kid i run a business not a goddamn
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soup kitchen that's right you're running the opposite everybody thinks he has a legacy there
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you go perfect and i get it and then of course as fans we're a little bit mad because we think at this time that yes
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we're hurt because well we know sly's not involved this happened without it not his permission but even his say or
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his you know he's being pushed out he's been put on skid row you know slides like i've been giving you this product
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for 40 years and for 40 years you've been sticking it to me i don't know how come erwin comes back and says you don't want to know and then slides like i want
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to know and then erwin winkler goes because you had the chance to become a good movie producer but instead that became a secondhand
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actor to movies like get carter and driven i don't know yeah you know let's be fair to not irwin
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but sly no offense you've made some really crappy movies too there's parts of your own legacy and career that you
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did have control over there was parts where you didn't have to sign on to stop from my mama shoot you didn't have to
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sign on to get carter you could have done other things earlier and better so i get the rocky legacy is yours you
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could have created other legacies or not chosen such shitty films over the years so it goes both ways man like we make
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good decisions and we make bad ones but as a fan i'm not gonna sit here and just say the sly is a god and infallible he's
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human like you and i he just happens to be a multi-millionaire human who's created a wonderful character yeah it sucks that he doesn't have final say
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but he sold that right away and that so legally speaking he's screwed
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uh it sucks okay i want to send a message out to sly and mr winkler here
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i analyze finances for a living i'd be happy to figure out how much those rights are worth
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and my five percent fee once you guys do the sale back to i'll
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reinvest that partially into the podcast so ryan no longer has to pay the one thing it's a three-way win call me don't
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have a number just yell out the window okay i'll call you they have to come on the show they have to come on the show and
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you can mediate update i mean this is not an update i'm sure everyone knows but when i was reading articles about this for those who don't know the creed
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three is coming out in march of 23. that's right yeah i got pushed back yeah
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and then the dragons will be some follow sometime there's no release date but one thing that i didn't know maybe i'm
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late to the party is that florian is in creed three
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yeah so there victor drago must be in it i don't know if it's um you know like us yeah i'm not sure but i
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did say that he was in crete 3. let's get to the discord chat with of course our discord is blowing up with comments
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we appreciate that from everyone this is a uh eventually we're going to get to the rocky film but i knew this would elicit a lot of conversation which is why we're
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here this is why people come to our show because they know they'll look at the honest truth here the red comet 99 he's
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a new person discord welcome buddy he says here more and more it seems that sly hit some kind of creative control
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wall when they made cree 2. i'm curious what the higher ups push back on so hard to make them go scorch earth i think
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with that comment there red comet i think what's happened is is that sly well we know he never had rights with
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the film so erwin winkler has always given permission to slide to do this or to do that for example it makes
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more sense now when sly said he wanted rocky to die in part five or when clearly goes nope that's his blocking
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rights he has his veto power he can say nope change the script to make it so he's alive so why did he go scorched
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earth well we know that in crete 2 that sly was originally scheduled to direct that he announced it
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on his instagram that was initially he was going to be the director writer of crete 2 but he got pushed out they ended
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up only writing back to more live discussions people are saying here so do we not see drago to support sly
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ryan's begging for one dollar a month so he ain't crying for sly that's from donald yeah that's true you know look give me one dollar a month you bums
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that's all i'm asking for and you get early releases of these episodes of course now you know donald's in discord
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so why do i want to pay a dollar when i get the watches for free all right shut up um
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what else do we got here so yeah people are saying it's frustrating people can see both sides now to answer dave's question about do we see dragon support
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a sly i'm going to watch the drago series and i've seen some people talk about this whether it's a movie or mini
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series i'm not sure which one it is i've seen people's and sliced comments on instagram where people like i'm not
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going to watch this because sly is on and look i get it if you look at the rocky franchise as a star wars fandom
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right it's the same type of personalities that are fans of whatever whether it's rocky ramble star wars star trek harry
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potter but toxicity is in the fandom even with the rocky franchise which i find
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disappointing because at the end of the day the people that are working on the dragon films the people that are
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writers or directors or costume designers or all these people are just people like you and i who are need a job
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right so if you want to look at the movie industry as it's not just erwin winkler who's making a quote-unquote all
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this money the people who are editing film grips the caterers even all these
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people and then the people that make the food for the caterers who grow the food everyone's actually employed by these
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films and tv there are people like me you and and everyone listening they're just people who need a job at the very least
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if you want to be like peaceful about it erwin weekly is providing work for people if you have any curiosity to see
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these films or productions you know you're actually providing people employment that furthers their
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growth or mortgage payments or whatever so that's kind of how i look at it star wars for example i've enjoyed
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the non-george lucas stuff so there's a part of me and i would say that sly george lucas are the same quality of
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writers but what i'm getting at is george lucas created star wars but he relinquished his control to disney but
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i'm one of those people that have quite enjoyed the disney products i've enjoyed mandalorian i've enjoyed all these other
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spin-off stories and and expanding the universe and i kind of find it i think it's kind of cool it's too bad the sly
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hasn't imagined if you just said you know what i don't have rights anymore but because i love my fans they've been
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so great to me and the support of me isn't it wonderful that the rocky universe continues that the
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rock universe is so big and so wonderful that it can embrace so many different artists interpretations because people
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draw pictures people draw artwork and their own interpretation of the rocky character why not the written word why not the
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video form like why is it we can draw an artistic rendition of rocky but we can't write about it so all these things go
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through my head about what is art what is stories what is creation and if sly maybe just was more
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zen about it maybe it would open more doors maybe he could get some input on it but
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i don't think it's going to happen now the scene in rocky 5 where find out rocky did not sign attack and
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shouldn't he side enduring power of attorney which ultimately was his financial demise
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i wonder if that was inspired by him signing his rights why that's a good
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point yeah it is like in real life so sly long ago yeah yeah so he yeah of course
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he would have known that rocky five of course at that point he didn't have control of the rocky franchise of course so he's saying ah
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interesting that could very well be the connection of sly wrote that so he's saying i don't have control of my
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fortune so to speak the rocky character also lost control through a bad decision he made it they made a poor decision
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yeah i just thought of that now i'm like that's perfect i think it's i think you're exactly right i think sly was showing everyone
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that he didn't have uh even donald their faithful watcher on discord said that's a good point kyle
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one last thing and then we'll move on to the discussion on the movie this is the one last thing remember last episode i was all happy
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that sly liked one of my comments on his instagram was to the beast in the basement but then i even said then that you know that was very sweet of him very
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kind of him but i think he's kind of generous about his likes now i love sly
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i think he might like arbitrarily some things without reading what they're saying i'm not even going to be like well okay
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here we go are you ready you're ready so if sly liked comments such as for example here's one
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that he liked i'm a rocky fan i won't see or support this official strong like that comment okay
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that's fair right you think well of course that's a slice and great you're not gonna see this product
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oh someone wrote here thanks for the info he liked it i guess that's another one there's more
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here is someone asked here was creed your idea or winklers sly
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liked it up until then i'm like this doesn't seem that arbitrary but yeah okay okay
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there's more there's more i'm i'm trying to lead up to it i apologize for the pauses here's guy because there's a lot oh here we go so now this is what i mean
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it's like sly are you reading this i don't understand so you like those and that last one why would sly like that we
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know what kind of fan doesn't know this this is what kind of bugs me no offense to that guy okay here's one coming from the guy who let
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rocky five and rocky balboa happen the franchise was lost four movies ago sly
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chill and just get on with it at this point sly likes it
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it's like your job for the next half an hour is to do social media and he's yes somebody somebody wrote dolph can't
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even box sly likes it what jesus christ okay
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disappointing i'm sorry i know i know uh so there was a lot of comments like that
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where especially that one where the guys like sly get over it and he likes it so i'm like okay so now
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i don't feel as great about sly liking my comment about the beast in the basement so whatever so this is what i mean all this is just insane to me but i
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wonder if somebody is assigned by slide i'm going to post this i i know that's him writing the original post
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but i think he must task out the likes from somebody else and somebody might be trolling him on his media account liking
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comments that aren't supposed to be liked it says your head donald says uh could have been worse hulk hogan in quotes
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hulk hogan retweeted some guy wanted to bang his daughter
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is that a real thing it must be donald says yes i think what
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he's saying is the yes sly writes the instagram stories
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and posters those videos but he might not be in charge of all the likes
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it is very funny no you're right i was going to make a comparison somebody else who uh seems to like his own daughter
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quite a bit oh yes yes we won't say who somebody somebody in their 70s somebody
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who's very famous and someone's daughter who's very pretty yeah well we don't get political in the show because we've already lost no we've already lost a
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couple listeners on this show because we say something about this individual okay oh goodness there were a few
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there were a few happenings this week that i wanted to remember to bring up today one is on the topic of erwin
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winkler and the rocky universe have you guys or any of our listeners seen 1981's
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true confessions starring robert de niro and robert duvall
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and mickey meredith produced by irwin winkler it
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was a 1981 movie robert de niro plays a priest and his brother is robert duvall who's a cop and mickey plays another
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priest in this i don't know they wear the weird outfits i'm not sure if it's a bishop i just happened to like watch it
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i was like oh my god have i not seen this movie because it's two guys from the godfather and then at two people
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from the rocky universe and robert de niro's one of my favorites and i hadn't seen it before that had a crossover and then also has
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anybody been watching the offer on it's on my queue it's on my cue okay
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yeah i know exactly well for the people who haven't it's it's a show it's a fictional show based on the
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real person who produced the godfather and how the mob is
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involved in that it's great i love it but anyway so they have actors playing francis ford coppola
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talia shire etc there's a scene where they go to sicily and they're in this like old
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school those 70s buses they're driving to find a shoot spot and francis ford coppola is talking about his grandfather
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he's telling a story about his his grandfather so and so penino
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maybe everyone already knows about this but it hit me then i'm like oh that's where i wonder if they use the name
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because talia is his sister so her actual grandfather i wonder if that's where they got their
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last name in rocky from or talia may have told sly hey look if you're looking for a last name for my character my
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family's last name is pinino yeah interesting i love it i love that kind of stuff and
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i do want to see the offer and that was another episode of katie's recommendations thank you yeah
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i know i love it i know a lot of podcasts do that what are you watching this weekend but no i like i like hearing what you're watching oprah's
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book club or whatever that's what i recommend okay so i forgot we're ready to go into the film but we're gonna do our trivia you ready oh [ __ ] okay here
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we go question 21 play along at home if you're on our discord do not answer in the discord this is uh play along at
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home right at home and keep score at home okay here we go what word does rocky need help spelling
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when he talks to gaza question 22 why does the person at the skating rink
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let rocky and adrian go skating he i guess he initially said no but why does he allow it to happen okay 23
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how many years has rocky been at mickey's gym 24 true or false rocky is holding dumbbells
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at the start of his run to the steps 25 or how much money does gaza give
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rocky for the date with adrian you can adjust for inflation if you like in the film how much did he give okay
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all right great questions and that brings us halfway to rocky trivia questions and uh ironically halfway
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through the film so good stuff rocco again rock was 11 or 12 when he made that book it's called rocky
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trivia book 300 questions from rocky to balboa great stuff question 26 why is
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sly so mad at erwin winkler that's the thing all right uh here we go so we just uh
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watched rocky and adrian have coitus in his apartment next to the cockroaches and refrigerator
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and now we cut to this wonderful building that we know so much of mighty mix boxing i love that painting there i
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don't know why but i just love how that looks i do too and i guess it was of course made for the film it's not like
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they painted mighty mix over an existing boxing site but i think whoever painted this did a good
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job of simulating wear and tear it kind of like looks new and old at the same time because yeah you're right kyle it
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was made for the film so it looks fresh but it also looks worn out at the same time so that's the
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outside shot but we know the inside shots of mickey's gem i believe is this is in la but the outside shots in philly
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for our listeners there if you could barely hear the captions help out but you have this kind of guy outside he's talking to
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other perspective boxers i guess who are kids or whatever you know what's your weight what can you
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fight at or and then rocky comes in this guy who probably like middle management of mickey's gym said no because he's
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looking for fighters outside vicki's gym i didn't think he was recruiting and it never i just thought they were guys
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outside the gym hanging out he's asking the questions about your weight and stuff like that how often you know it mentioned a fight on january 27th and
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things like that yeah and he's saying yeah yeah come on down to the gym we'll get you in shape so it does sound like recruiting
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i love that guy's energy i like that guy that guy sounds so cool i could never sound like that he's a natural networker
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that guy look for you jack i can't say that and babe he calls rocky babe yeah like that
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guy i like his positivity i like his energy hey looking for you babe your name is rock right i think oh that's
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pretty good brian thank you look i won't be any more jive than that i don't want to be accused of
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about culture appropriation okay donald just wants to say uh katie that this has nothing to do with anything but katie's
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looking great today so he wanted to let you know that you look good oh thank you yeah
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like i said uh boys uh katie's single ready
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oh boy we're gonna get you a husband by the bubble we're gonna get you we're gonna get you hooked up by billboard
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it's three four years from now so who knows okay um maybe not a husband but
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we we can talk we can talk boy toy yeah we're gonna get off topic okay so uh
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rocky goes into the gym mickey's looking for him so he's feeling pretty good about saying mickey's looking for me that's great
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[Music] i know we've mentioned this before as
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rocky's walking through the gym and there's it's just a busy gym it's just a hustle of activity eh runs a tight ship
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obviously it is way busier than when rocky ran that gym or when uh mr spurino was
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running it later on in the creed films
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hey you got something for me yeah there was some guy here for miles jurgen's looking for you they need
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sparring partners for apollo creek what was it about an hour ago they'll
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probably look for spark plugs okay so
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okay before we get to sorry okay so i love though how of course burgess married an incredible actor but i love
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how the mickey character is so blase
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because you know he's kind of pissed off because he's like of all the people why are they why are they coming here asking for rocky because you're you're
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basically asking to think of it like in the music world think it's like bruce springsteen or some some huge artist right and like
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yeah they're looking for jam sessions you're at a garage band and you're just kind of you fiddle fatal at some
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garage music band bar or whatever and the bar manager whoever's like yeah you
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know they're looking for keyboards for the bruce springsteen tour and you're like oh they're probably looking for a keyboard but anyway so
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like he's kind of like combined blase probably jealous or envious that all of a sudden rocky's got this in with apollo's crowd
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that's a big get huge i'm trying to think from the perspective of miles jerkins or who people who work at his
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office they've been given this name rocky balboa the italian stallion find
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this guy all right i'm going to look him up in the phone book nothing oh yeah
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no address no phone number obviously there's no social media or anything like that because it's the 70s how does he
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know he's at this gym i bet you he had to go to a bunch of gyms around philadelphia say hey there's a
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guy named rocky balboa train here and then he has to come down to like the hood basically and he finally got this
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and then hopes that mickey will actually give the message i'll give mickey credit for actually keeping it in
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his pocket and look for rocky and mickey really didn't like rocky
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he really didn't want to succeed he would have been just like yeah sure i'll tell him that's true i mean we're gonna
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see his feelings but i think that's a good point that you brought up ryan about how mickey's so blase and he is
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probably like look at all these guys in here putting in their all fighting trying to get better why don't they get
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a shot why does the second rate leg breaker guy he has talent but he's not trying to utilize it
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why give him a break he's not trying to be better these other guys are so donald center chad all these other people in
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the gym are about to get rocky spin-offs [Laughter]
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oh man who wants to see the spider rico prequel despite a recoil prequel that's a tongue twister oh boy
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yeah dipper might get one yeah that should be a poll what would you rather see the spider rico prequel or
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the dipper sequel definitely spider rico no doubt about it
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don't just talk about dipper no i always think of like fun dip remember the candy fun dip where you you
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dipped a little thing in there with the candy like spoon thing too yeah well it's like
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a little piece of candy and then like you you lick it yeah and then you dip it into like the powdered sugar mm-hmm
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all sugar it's all right yeah it is all sugar i also want to point out that rocky's back
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at the gym despite being demoted to skid row he's not allowing that to
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dissuade him from training with a cigarette though i i do find it funny apparently you can just like smoke in
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gyms oh yeah anywhere anywhere in the 70s i was telling this there was a guy in my office he's born in like 1994. he
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doesn't remember restaurants and smoking sections like i don't know about the state so in canada
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probably like late 90s early 2000s when they shut that down
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yeah similar well 94. yeah that was 20 years after i was born so it's a bit of times like
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when i'm 20 he's born but i definitely remember you guys probably do too like going to restaurants it's very common smoking non-smoking that was the first
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thing the hostess would ask or whatever yeah yeah we'd go to denny's at like three in the morning after a concert or
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something like that and then like the smoking section was packed and then a non-smoking section where i had like two
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or three tables and it didn't mean if you smoked in the building you're gonna smell it's so funny how the smoking nonsense it didn't
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change the whole place smelled like cigarette smoke okay all right so uh yeah so rocky goes oh
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they're probably looking for safari partners he's all excited and now becky's about to kind of crush his dream a little bit he's pissed off here we go
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it's like humor and i just said that i'm sorry yeah no no no it's okay though it's okay you dumb day go oh my gosh everybody's
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looking for you they need sparring foreign
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i said that before you dumped [ __ ] now isn't [ __ ] was it an animal of some sort or that's a slur for an italian
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derogatory it was used historically for either italian or spanish people it's a
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derivative of diego which is just a common spanish last name okay it's kind
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of like when you call an irish person a mick oh yeah that makes sense their names always
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start with mick whatever right diego a common spanish name they just change
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and then it also get used for italians because both latin lame brains so to speak donald said that canadian
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immigrants get frostbacks we with that or frost feet or something like that
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yeah all right so of course he calls him a dumb diego which is gonna get rocky a
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little like whoa you know i've been coming in for six years and six years you've been sticking it to me i wanna know how i'm calling
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you don't want him all right there's one of our answers to our trivia questions whoo it's a good thing we uh
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between six and eight but i did pick six me too so i've been coming here for six years and for six years have been
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sticking to me i want to hook up you know now all right here we go
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okay i'm going to tell you because you had the talent to become a good fighter and instead of that you
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became a rain breaker some cheap second rate loan shot it's a living
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it's a waste of life all right nelly a lot of stuff's going on here we
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know that of course you've got mickey kind of telling the truth mickey's not lying but he's not saying
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it nicely he's angry about everything he's angry about the rocky's lost potential he's angry that the creeds have come to
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get rocky to spar as he sees it he's also angry that rocky is just pestering them and saying fine just tell me you
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ever get into a fight with anyone just tell me the truth and maybe you regret that you heard that truth that's rocky's face right now like oof i don't know if
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i want to hear that for someone that you love and respect all these things are happening once a great scene obviously great acting but it also exposes a lot
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for both characters this scene perfectly sets the stage in context for their confrontation in this apartment like i'm
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going to reserve yeah yeah ontario on this until that happens but you're right so call this scene back you're
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definitely right this definitely is now is driven an emotional wedge between the two at this point for sure now because
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now they're both speaking that truth and at this point it's mickey's turn bass said here this might be another step
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sequence because mickey's on top of the ring looking down at rocky what do you
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think i had not thought of that but i like it i will go with it okay that elevation
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type moment here once above another speaking yep yeah a great moment here this is me speaking as a sly fan and we
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kind of mentioned at the beginning of this episode regarding this you got mickey think of mickey like the
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fandom speaking to sly say you know you have the chance to become one of the greats in fact when rocky
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came out i believe it was roger ebert called sly marlon brando in this film
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and he's right sly's performance in this film is amazing it's incredible it's it's revolutionary it's a revelation to
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sizability his uh his features his handsomeness all those things that actors are you know you gotta be good
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looking chiseled but vulnerable all those things like what marlon brando was like roger deibert the film critic said
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yeah this is a new marlon brando has arrived on the scene in the mid 70s as a fan sometimes i get mad at sly i've said
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that in all my many podcast episodes because i'm a fan you see this potential and i get
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the anger that some people have at what could have been and that's all it is and so sly has
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every right to do whatever the heck he wants he doesn't owe us anything i get that this is me speaking as a selfish
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fan that he had the chance sly in many ways to become the next marlon brandle we know that he has that ability we know
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that he's creative we know that he's funny and personable we know that he's instead of that he became an action hero
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to some second rate straight to video videos on some of these or scripts
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failed comedies where he should have stuck to the de niro pacino route which he had the chance to
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do at the beginning of his career but he took the money and he ran and saw sly could have had a legacy that will never
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exist now because he chose the money he still has the legacy i mean he wouldn't like
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legacy because nobody i'm sure pacino is worth a lot of money don't get me wrong or de niro the guy i bet you they're worth probably a hundred 200 i don't
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know someone had to i'm not saying they're not worth money but you get what i'm saying but people are talking about the failed ventures of pacino and de
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niro even though they have a lot of failed films it's hard to explain i think what's frustrating for people is that sly had the potential to become
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more than just an action star but he just he really dug in he dug into that action star
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if you never focus on the bodybuilding just kept a natural think of like clint eastwood kurt russell
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yeah these actors have nice physiques harrison ford here's our men that like
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in their primes they all had nice physiques chiseled but they were never muscle men
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psych kept that physique of just a chiseled like rocky one type look to him just chiseled handsome
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strong he could have done shows like nighthawks and all those type of films which just seemed like he wanted to do but then he
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yeah i agree i do want to play devil's advocate on the brando thing so two
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thoughts like one i think he saw an opening that he could fill regarding the action
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because not everybody is able to become the dedication that it takes to get down
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to like three percent body fat or so like that's insanity also he's vain and admits it and so
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hey i mean if i put that effort into the way that i looked i would want to show it off as well so there's that but then
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the brando thing he brando kind of went off the rails and had a much shorter career than he could
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have he kind of piddled away his opportunities and talents didn't he go off the rails yeah he had mental health
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issues and obviously gained a lot of weight and you know so that a lot became a health issue like john candy big even
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bigger than that he just became a almost a caricature i get i get that but yeah but i'm saying the talent of
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brandel was still there but yeah he's squandered just through mental health issues i don't think it's all there i think his son was killed and things like
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that too at a young girl murdered i think yeah it's too bad anyways so i got a good comment here as
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uh baz said in our chat he goes uh totally hear what you're saying ryan but stallone was also a product of his time
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which is fair that was the 80s manchester stallone was alternate universe was born today and created a rocky character today's world
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you're right the muscle-bound 80s propaganda type films don't exist today
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chris pratt he's got a nice build on him but he can do an action film the terminal list on amazon but he can also
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do dramas and that's the physique of men today that no one is the muscle-bound man anymore like nobody does that
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people have physiques and have like but nobody's big nobody's so swoll that they have to be the action star they can go
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back and forth well like the rock i guess like the rock rock might be the only one that is now that
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torch carrier but but he was big because of wrestling his frame is so big that he has to be that guy in a film
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ironically the rock stands alone in his own right but nobody's competing against him the rock is a very unique character
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who would exist one way or the other without stallone existing in the timeline before maybe i don't know alone i really admire like i
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don't have the dedication and the discipline to get as fit as he could or or the genetics perhaps uh that said i
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do feel like he's an odd character to be a muscle man he's kind of small he's
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even said that he doesn't have the genetics for it either i mean he was like 150 60 pounds
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yeah he is small i don't like the bulk like arnold too much i like sly sly that he's he's
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like regular i mean obviously it's not all natural but it's not bulky it's just like
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incredibly chiseled and cut oh you're looking fast i love sly in the action films because i
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was a kid during that same time like baz was saying i was a product of that time i was a teenager during the 80s i didn't
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care about marlon brando de niro's acting chops i do now you know i'm older but as a kid as a teenager of course i
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loved it i loved the ramble films demolition man cliffhanger are you kidding me loved it but now that i'm older i'm like oh i kind of wish i had
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more that's all you know instead of stopping my mum will shoot he did beverly hills cop maybe like that's what i'm getting at he should have would have
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could have should have i'm just saying this is me speaking as a selfish consumer of his acting i get it he can
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do whatever the hell he wants he doesn't owe me nothing you know friends don't know he doesn't owe me anything he just uh he can do what he wants i'm just
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saying yeah it's like think of a band that you like or an art or a music artist and they release a crappy album
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you're like oh why don't why did you give me this not everyone produces gold every time it's just that's what art is
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it's not everything's the mona lisa tulsa king i think we we have a chance here i think he's done a lot of things
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he's tried a lot of things he has his bread and butter and just because i also love like mob street like i love the de
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niro route now that i don't have the body to now i'll go that route so i don't know i think um he's
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trying to remedy maybe not having the rights to the right i mean you never know he could create a
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whole new era for himself here yeah no i like it of course he says it's a living it's a
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waste of life we should say so in that silence there rocky and the mickey character both look at each other i
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think almost like he almost sensed that it's stinging rocky he's got nothing he's left in silence and mickey turns
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away there might have been a party making so i dumped on him but i ain't gonna apologize you know i can't say oh well i
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didn't quite mean like it's out it's done you can't put the toothpaste back on the tube you drop a mic like that
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what are you gonna do right yeah mickey's face though when he turns away he didn't look as hardened it was more
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like yeah we know mickey but if you're watching this for the first time you
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only see a couple scenes of mickey he's an [ __ ] he's like he doesn't care now
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you see that he does care obviously goes about it the wrong way this whole time it is kind of a sadness or a
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disappointment it's like mickey comes from an era where you don't men especially don't share emotion they
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don't have these kind of talks you know i know people in my life who don't know how to they don't know how to like
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empathize with everybody like they don't know this that's not their wheelhouse right this aggressive yelling and [ __ ]
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that's all they know how to do i feel like mickey's kind of like that sure very old school yeah
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yes may i help you oh you must be mr rocky balboa mr
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jurgen's expecting you just a milk now i love how he walked into the office the secretary like this is uh jurgen's
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office of course i love how rocky doesn't even say anything he just hands her the card now
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if i walked into mgm studios and just handed them a card here's a card oh
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yes uh sylvester stallone is expecting like i just love a rocky there's no indication of why he's there he just
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hands the car but she catches on like ah okay this guy looks like a fighter because the car just says mr jurgen the
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card just says mr durga's offer there's not a note on it i know she does infer a lot based on his appearance and is he
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mentally all there like i wonder if she was probably tasked with trying to find him oh do you think she went to the gym
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no
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she probably was trying to look them up from the phone book she was probably calling around she's probably doing she
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probably made the cards to give to whoever went to the gym so as soon as she saw that card i'm sure
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she knew what i see here is this is a world rocky has no experience with an
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office world anything like this but he's from the streets i'm guessing this is downtown i know
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before we were talking we were arguing where this actually is whether it's even in philly or if
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against us in new york i guess jordan's has the office of philly i just love how i love how everything is in philly
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because creed's basically promoting this fight i think he just hired a local guy to assist in promoting
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okay he's a big fight town too though so it would true that's true too but the reason why
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i the movie makes you think jurgens and apollo have worked together for a while because the way they talk to each other it doesn't seem like
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this is their first time meeting in the events of this film you get this feeling they've worked together for a while the way they talk to each other
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lou felipe says to them you both fought in philadelphia before
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watch the low blows watch the rabbit punches in the case of a knock down go to your corners so he says apollo's
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fought in philly before rocky obvious is only fought in philly right so i'm sure creed's hired him to promote
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fights in philly before but anyway rocky's probably downtown in an office district in philly
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going up here talking to someone like this this is not his element at all he has no idea what to do
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to say like he is a pretty clear disadvantage he does take his cap off though you know it's polite
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to take off your hat indoors he holds it kind of like shy like but this is the horribly lit office is there no above
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lighting like the light is hitting the wall sideways and that little lamp and it's hor remember those lamps with those hard
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crease lamp shades you know i don't know electricity isn't cheap you're getting just keeping the light slow to save a
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few bucks there's no overhead lighting i just love how it's all like projected to this i know it's a film set but this is
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like the lighting in this place just dark brown everything's the wood paneling on the wall reminds me of like
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a basement in the 80s [Music] mr rocky balboa to see you sir
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fine do you think she's still alive 100 no
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she i like her that was funny the way you said that i like her mid-atlantic accent
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i was gonna comment on that too where it's like it's like a hybrid between like an american and british accent she's very prim and proper even
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though she has like a secretary job or whatever but i'd love to know her background yeah i don't think she made it to part three
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will you please go in mister can i have that oh certainly thanks
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she's very matronly very pleasant oh certainly you may have this card i love how rocky wants to keep the card almost
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like a memorabilia this is a big part of his life like he wants to keep the mr jurgens cart who represents apollo like
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paul's name's not even on that car probably i just wanted to point out the pictures on the wall here so jerkin's office does
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he represent other sports looks like field hockey there yeah that looks like old school hockey when you see pictures
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of hockey teams from like 1912 or something well i think he's a promoter for the maybe this just philly or the
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spectrum so sporting events that take place there because it looks like there's one that
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maybe it's like an old-timey basketball team too what's happening here is not how offices typically work
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very rarely are you told to just walk into someone's office what'll happen is either mr jurgens will come out to say
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oh rocky nice to see you please come in right take a seat or early or whatever yeah surely is her
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name will come and she will open the door yeah mr jurgens hears rocky or rocky
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balboa is here he's coming rocky like walking in on him to me that's weird somebody works at an office
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i'm like that's bizarre well he told her to to send him in well i know
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it's weird you're right you're right you're right it's where that's their get up but look at this just a small film set i love how
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there's just no room in this lobby it's the desk you walk in desk go to drink his office where did she go to have her
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coffee where's her bathroom break area this is a it's a small set his office
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how are is george dragons take a chair please thanks
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mr balboa call me rock this is also really weird
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agreed super weird he's like standing over rocky like rocky's in trouble
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rocky almost looks like he's in trouble like he's like nervous he's like what do i do something like he's in the
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principal's office give any representation it's like hey do you have uh you have a parole officer like you
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like me it's clearly showing they're not equals by any stretch you get that by the way
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they're dressed like jurgen is dressed like really well the nines he's got the little handkerchief the flower the
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double the vest over you know underneath of his long jacket yeah yeah i'd say he's overdressed
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she's not good especially for just like a normal day like i don't know like this is weird rocky of course is underdressed
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but yeah it's so weird how close he is to him how he's standing up like that he should sit in the chair next to him
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or his desk or something like this is so bizarre the way jurgens is talking to
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looking to him almost like rocky is some sort of not sub-human but almost like a novelty like here's the guy that we
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pulled out of the hat here he is in front of me so this is what he looks like this is him oh rocky balboa this is
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you this is what you look like and there's a partner who's like okay okay we can do something with this guy
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he looks all right we can make it work because you see the dollar signs going off in his eyes here yeah imagine if
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like the guy you pulled is like addicted to heroin and it's like evangelist paulie that walks in or something is
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some one-time boxer but now he's gained from the channels i saw a picture of bert young oh yeah we
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shared that on her twitter yeah oh that oh yeah okay i saw it online on my socials and he boxed in the marine corps
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and had like a really good record young could probably punch out sly in real life at that time yeah bert young
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was a real boxer and he actually trained somebody but he was a boxing trainer in real life and bro young and he trained
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somebody here in victoria where i live reuben and i talked about it on our go in the distance podcast back in the day that reuben knew the person that bert
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young trained really yeah apparently ollie it says there that was trained by custom auto which i found
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hard to believe the motto bring to mike tyson and a whole bunch of other really famous boxers like custom otto's huge
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name he's a big enough name that i even know who he is and i don't really follow boxing outside these movies so tell me rocky you got any representation you
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have a manager oh no just me rocky i've got a proposition i'd like to
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make your brother thank you well i just did i know you're looking for spawn partners and i just
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want to say i'm very available you know i love the way jurgen lets him talk he doesn't correct rocky right away i
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wonder what he's going to say here he's almost again intrigued it's like a king meeting a peasant i want to hear how the
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common people think because rocky on the card doesn't say sparring partners they didn't say
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to mickey we want rocky to spar they said hey we're trying to get a hold of rocky can you send him to our office
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mickey assumes it's about sparring what else could it be but sparring tells that to rocky rocky comes to the office with
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the idea that he's sparring tells drug as well i know you're looking for sparring partners i'm not gonna take any cheap punches all this stuff i'm
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available but jurgis lets him play along for a bit because he's almost amused by this to him this is like it's just kind of fun to watch it it's no harm animal
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yeah the zoo animal jurgens is backed off giving rocky some space he is standing
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where apollo was standing when apollo was [ __ ] all over jurgens was sitting so now jerkins has taken the
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power position where creed was there before us some may call this uh re-creating your abuser in your mind
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also rocky doesn't look at him he's either has the inability or
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uncomfortable with looking like a person of authority or yeah he represents apollo
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don't forget so think about it again rocky's world is boxing and he's a bum and
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apollo's the king apollo is like the man and rocky's shy by nature you know even
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says that adrian is shy but actually rocky is quite shy too in his own way you know it's quiet subdued so right now
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he realizes he also doesn't want to mess anything up so maybe he's even just afraid to look at jergens because he's like if i look at him i'm going to say
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something wrong i just want to say the right thing i don't want to mess up this opportunity to box with because in his mind he's like after this meeting
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i'm going to be the punching bag for paula which in his mind is the greatest honor in the world to help apollo train you're right he doesn't maintain eye
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contact and that's a thing with men with eye contact say you're walking along the
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street you run into another guy if you make direct eye contact it's
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almost almost like a threat or something about guys and making eye contact and if
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you're two men in a business meeting you're expected to make eye contact then when you feel like jurgens is like so
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above you not making eye contact to me is a sign of being timid rocky is
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because he's so out of his element here yeah even though we know physically he can destroy this guy but this mo this is
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about power of authority not power of strength yeah i'm sure you are absolutely uh spawning the chamber being
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honored and you know what mr jerkins why i wouldn't take no chief shots he's a really good spawn partner you know
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you don't understand me rocky my proposition is this would you be interested in fighting apollo creed for
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the world heavyweight championship no what i love here of course we we know
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this he says no because that's over it's overwhelming think of it like uh i i use bruce springsteen because he's
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like a legend everyone knows who he is so think again imagine bruce springsteen's management campaign
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you were a part-time keyboardist and that's a big part of his band he's actually had a keyboard has passed away he said he's had a couple
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bad numbers passed away over the last 50 years so someone comes up to you and says hey do you want to be the main keyboarders for the bruce springsteen e
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street band uh i thought i was just gonna come here to tune his pianos i didn't realize i was you're gonna put me on tour this is like in front of 30 000
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people's show so it's overwhelming so a lot of people might just say ah no no no no that's too much that's too
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much what are you what are you saying here this doesn't even make sense i can't even compute so rocky in this moment is like what are you talking
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about it's insane to him i like the pause he couldn't process it and you see that in his reaction what jurgen said to him
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was just a complete shock and i i like your analogy with the keyboard thing i'm trying to think of other similar
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analogies like ryan you're a pretty good runner right like you run a lot ryan would you be interested in representing
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canada the olympic games
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that's a perfect example because yeah now i'm out front center people are watching me people think oh you think you're a runner do you why are you
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representing canada i'd be like oh i'd be no no no no that's too much i'm comfortable where i am and you're a good runner too it's just the olympics that's
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another level right well i was just gonna kind of build upon what you guys were saying about his overwhelm on so
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many fronts because at the same time that jurgen starts making the proposition he steps up on him again
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powering over him and rocky even kind of looks at him like what the hell are you doing crotch is right next to his face
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yeah he's like get off and then and then he has to double take when he says what the actual proposition
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is and so that it's like his brain is on overdrive right now from what's being
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said what's being happening that his uncomfortable in this kind of a scenario to be like in an office setting too i
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think rocky sells this really well especially with that long pause agreed so he says no but then dragons goes into
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his spiel listen rocky follow senior fight
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why he likes you why he wants to fight you true well it's just that you see uh
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i fight in clubs you know i'm really a ham and anger this guy he's the best and uh it wouldn't be such a
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good fight thank you very much you know i appreciate it appreciate it rocky
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do you believe that america is the land of opportunity yeah apollo creed does and he's going to
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prove it to the whole world by giving an unknown a shot at the title and that unknown is you he picked you
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rocky rocky it's the chance of a lifetime you can't pass it by
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what do you say look at the camera right there i like
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that right there also the adam's apple he uses it so much in these movies his non-verbal his adam's apples that play a
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lot and i like it this movie is made at the precisely perfect time america what
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this movie really appeals to is people who maybe don't feel like they've lived up
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to their potential people who feel like if they just had a chance they could do great things people have that fantasy
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for it's like a football game and the guy gets injured and they have to pick someone from the crowd and then the person comes in the crowd and makes the
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winning catcher said think something absurd your everyday average schmuck if they're given the opportunity find
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greatness in america at this time it's not a good time economically people are feeling hopeless unemployment and
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inflation in america at this time are higher than it is now this is right after a really turbulent time in america
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like this is just post v like spygon would have just fallen earlier that year the vietnam war kind of ripped america
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apart this is the first real war america lost are you saying that rocky and rambo worlds collide somehow perhaps america
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kind of needed a hero and an underdog kind of coming back rediscovering its
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greatness kind of hero this movie was made in 1985 or 1965 it wouldn't have
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worked had to be made in 1976 timing is luck we've said it a million times about this movie the production
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sly ryan all those things combined because you're right had he existed maybe in today's timeline he wouldn't have come up with
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this idea because the world would have been different it would have sparked anything in them like in 1976 it was in question whether
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america was the land of opportunity 1966 it wouldn't have been in question
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jergens is like so creepy the actor's playing a good part but this jurgens is so creepy everything about
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him because we know the truth that's why i was saying lie like truth that's how business work right the truth is yes
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apollo wants to fight him the reasons why apollo wants to fight him has got nothing to do that he's apol doesn't hate rocky but he's indifferent to him
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doesn't like rocky and he hasn't seen rocky fight thus those aren't true and rocky must know something like what he's
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come to the church boxing area and see me fight there what's he talking about i'm not televised that might strike
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something in rocky a little bit there but he goes into the land of opportunity talk it's a salesman aesthetically
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creepy too oh sure he looks very british almost almost kind of a mid-atlantic guy too
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not the british people are creepy or weird british guys are creepy that's for our british
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we have a lot of british i got a lot of uk listeners on this show he looks out of place he's a weird looking but i kind
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of like him too there's something with jorgensen like i better go i don't want to cut it too close because i think management does
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your answers to your questions and then uh okay yeah let's do that real quick and then i gotta go kyle's gotta go but i'll
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save my closing comments okay here we go so question 21 what word does rocky need
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help spelling when he talks to gazo del rio i thought that was two words
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well it's a name it's a name yeah why does the person at the skating rink let rocky
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and adrian go skating i put that he got 10 bucks out of the deal and sorry for adrian i put 10 bucks maybe that's where
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our head is but poor sweet rocco's we're all going to get zero on this okay this is rocco's answer and this he's the author of the book he says
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rocky lies to him says adrian's not feeling well he
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okay i only put down the money kyle yeah same i just figured we all put the same so my brain phased out
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the last part so you're right we all put the money but katie did say that he felt sorry for adrian so katie gets a point
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okay uh how many years yeah we all got that one jeez thanks it's your fault i'm like let's keep this
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train going i got two minutes we gotta go for two minutes rocky is holding dumbbells at the start of his run to the
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steps i remember i don't read ahead so i don't know if he's referring to the training montage or the first one he
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does that first morning with the eggs that was bricks bricks yeah he actually wrote that faults he's holding bricks that's right
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and i only recognize that because of going the distance podcast when i think it was me remember doing the training montage we were breaking this down we
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noticed in his hands oh he's holding bricks i didn't even notice he was holding anything yeah he's actually holding bricks from the junkyard we all
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got bricks the answer was true or false so i put false yes ma'am that's right it's false false is the answer okay
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25 how great did you get good there you go okay okay all right thanks everyone thank you
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bye yeah she got five i got four i got four
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a ryan has 23 and he has 22
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and i have my two wow all right tight race gotta go guys see you later thank you i have a
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good sunday all right we're gonna close up anyways pretty quickly i just wanted to say what i loved about the end of this scene was
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rocky doesn't give an answer to the camera you know he kind of looks at the camera it's kind of or the audience very subtly just barely off camera but he's
1:08:05
looking at the camera of course we love the zooming in that john g ellison does while jurgens is talking onto rocky's
1:08:11
faces he's soaking the soul in i believe the next scene is him and adrian on the couch eating apples
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watching the news conference with paulie and we hear of course the dollar amount and we got all that but i like that they
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don't show it here but after this conversation of course was the discussion about how much rocky's going
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to make so they're i'm not saying that rocky took the money and ran but he did and that's okay again he's human and he
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could almost argue again this is the sly character so i took the money and ran like he sold the rights
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to the rocky franchise to jurgens who's erwin winkler it's kind of odd to me how much rocky
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and sly's life intertwine with each other even in this films it's a very apropos episode where we see the mickey
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character as speaking for the sly fandom who wanted better from rocky over all these years
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and then we got the jurgens character who's like erwin winkler saying look okay fine you don't want to fight okay you don't
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want to give me the movie script okay here is more money i'm going to give you more money than you'd ever see i.e four to five hundred
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million dollars today which is true you gotta relinquish control we're gonna market this thing blah blah blah there
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you go there's my little connection here because rocky takes the money and he runs he takes you know win
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or lose he gets 250 000 whatever it was so yeah i mean and he's he said as much he wanted to write an underdog story and
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you know he used box to mirror his own life in acting and writing etc he used this boxing story so yeah agree we know
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we know that a lot of the story was written not on the fly but it was their scripts were being the script was being
1:09:44
rewritten on the fly the story itself wasn't completed at the time the film started in a sense it was only like 76
1:09:50
pages or something like it wasn't the full script at the time so you could almost argue that sly could
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have written in at this point that he had sold his soul so to speak to the producers because he gives it to jurgens
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here to the devil as he calls them yeah yeah the serpents the vampires i want to
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say for the record i love sylvester stallone i think he's a great guy i think he's accomplished amazing things
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he's incredible artists he's also human he's made mistakes i wish i made mistakes that gave me 400 million
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dollars but you know we all make mistakes i know it's not about the money per se but at
1:10:26
the end of the day it's just you know control legacy i get it again i get it if you're chef ramsay with a burger and
1:10:31
it's a burger you made why are the people making enough money off this burger and they're changing the burger and they're making spin-offs off the
1:10:37
burger it's not the burger i created ah this has gotten out of my hands i didn't want this to happen of course had
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stallone known where the future was going to go he i'm sure he would have got a better lawyer well 2020 hindsight
1:10:48
is 2020. we can only do what we can do all can look back at our life saying had i know now what i knew you know blah
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blah blah for then i would have made of course and sly is no different this is the rocky character it's huge stakes and
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nobody saw this coming even george lucas a little to understand when star wars was made they didn't want to make the film
1:11:06
so they said fine they'll finance the film or something like that and george was savvy he says i'll give you full
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control of all the box office something if you give me merchandising money of the toys and stuff and the studio is
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like these things aren't gonna this is a box office failure this is gonna be a garbage with film nobody's gonna buy star wars toys well that was the thing
1:11:24
the money was in the merchandise not the film so george lucas made billions of toys so he did the same thing he screwed
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over the ironically the movie company because he got the licensing of all the merchandise books and everything because
1:11:36
he saw where that franchise was going to go it's like fine give me the merchandizing rights and money and you can have the box office
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and that was his deal and it worked in his favor and then he sold it again to disney for another four or five billion dollars anyways crazy
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all right well that's it the episode is over i didn't hear nobel
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