Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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all right welcome to another episode of one more round the rocky series podcast i'm your host ryan and with me today is
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katie and kyle how are you both doing today fantastic how are you
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good kyle i was gonna say fantastic but katie stole it
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i'm doing i've been up since six oh i don't know my son was up super early i negotiated i will stay up or my
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wife goes back to sleep in exchange for uh nap rights later on during the day oh there you go that's very nice of you
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sorry for the technical difficulties everybody i don't know what is going on today it's weird i blame discord because i didn't change
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anything with my mic and stuff and all i had to do was cut leave and come back and it was fine
Emails
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that's fair can you guys hear me yeah okay okay well i think discord just knows
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that today's a busy morning we got a lot of news to talk about okay but before we get to the news katie why don't you read
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the emails all right we have one from adrian he says hi ryan katie and kyle i thought
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i would share a few stories linked to a comment you said in your distant creed 2 commentary on the going the distance
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podcast when asked if he was okay adana simply said maintaining i think you ryan
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wondered how people would react if this was a typical answer in everyday life well over the past few months i've used
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to this answer as a high school teacher in croydon uk students would often ask how are you sir
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i would simply say maintaining and walk away with a wry smile their faces were a mixture of disbelief and wonder they
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weren't expecting this answer for sure i think it really stumped them i've also used this answer with my fellow teachers
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throughout the last few weeks some would ask what do you mean by maintaining well i am about to leave my current school
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i'm looking forward to new role in a new school in september so my reply did make some sense i guess no one
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clocked that this was from creed 2 though sadly keep going with the great podcast are you considering dissecting
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the rocky iv ultimate fan made cut when you get to rocky iv i'm also really excited to hear
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everyone's breakdown of rocky 5. kind regards adrian host of the arcade attack
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podcast all right thanks adrian he's been on the show a couple times yes great question
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are we doing the rocky iv i think we'll discuss that the ultimate cut because there is a ultimate cut out there
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basically a fan did a wonderful job of piecing together the original footage of rocky iv as seen
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in theaters and on you know vhs all these years and then the director's cut version in there's all
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that extra footage so you have the extra footage with nothing deleted from the original film it might not be a bad idea
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because that way you're talking about both while you go through the film so you're talking about rocky iv the film that everyone's very
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familiar with and we've already done that coverage on going the distance so it might be a good way of doing this show saying hey
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let's talk about the ultimate or the director's cut while we talk about the original anyways so what are you guys
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thoughts on that that makes sense i'm flexible whichever way works for you guys you can read the next email while
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you so the next email it says hello ryan katie and kyle just finished the latest
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episode of one more round what is striking to me about these episodes is experiencing rocky in an audio only
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format i'm picking up new things just by listening to the film without the visuals some of the stuff that polly
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mutters under his breath rocky dodging all of paulie's inquiries on gazo it's just not something i've paid attention
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to before it seems like you guys are discovering new things too by taking these bite-sized pieces of the film and
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breaking them down loving the show can't wait for the next one all the best from jared tuckstein host of the hyperspace
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podcasting in the 25th century i also want to say it's nice that a couple podcast guys like jared and
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adrian listen to our show because these guys run their own shows and it's very flattering and humbling that people that
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do their own podcasting listen to us because we're just ham and eggers these guys do a very good job on their shows
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and i've podcasted with both of them actually adrian and jared have been on the ramble series with me yeah they're
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great guys uh check out my other show it's a long road the ramble series podcast i want to welcome everyone's in our discord right now as well we got a
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good group there today thank you guys uh we've got rocco from the rocky trivia book so what we'll do is we'll read that
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right now before we get sidetracked so you ready mm-hmm oh we're doing our trivia man yeah we're just going to do it now we're all business
Trivia
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okay i'm ready to go no fooling around today it's too much to talk about okay all right so number 16 what is oh we
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always want to plug this this is the rocky trivia book you can buy this on amazon.ca or dot com it was written by
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12 year old rocco who's in our discord right now all right question 16 what is the name
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of the bar that rocky goes to remember no answers in discord play at
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home what oscar or oscars did this movie win so what cammy wars did this film
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bring home question 18 what type of dog is butt kiss now i think i know this now
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because of you katie i think you mentioned yeah i already gave the answer away 19 okay what are the names of rocky's
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turtles and then the last question number 20 true or false the las vegas odds say
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rocky will last three rounds oh say that again the las vegas odds basically does
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does las vegas say he will make the three rounds or not right the announcer say that they say las vegas says and
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they'll either say yes or no oh wow okay i have you know i thought they gave they gave the odds i remember the
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odds i don't remember okay well they give the odds in the second movie of all
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oh is that the second movie okay yeah they said like he is a i won't say the odds he's a something to one underdog in
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this fight yeah something to one underdog last fight okay what's your thoughts on the news that samaritan the
The Samaritan
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kind of delayed film due to colbit so it's not sly's fault or the studio's fault but this the film has been delayed
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and now it's going straight to streaming in august next month at the time this recording august 26 or something is the samaritan
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starring sylvester stallone about an aging superhero that comes out of retirement i personally am a little bit
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nervous that the movie is straight to streaming now there's some arguments for and against i understand but my argument
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that makes me a little bit nervous about the quality the film is if the studio has faith in the film
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why not release it when's the last straight to streaming movie you ever saw that you're like oh my gosh why was this
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not the theaters i let's say top gun maverick that movie is blowing up the box office past a
Streaming vs Theaters
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billion dollars worldwide the studio knew this film was gonna make money it's gonna make money on streaming as well
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when this comes out on streaming it's also going to make money you've made the movie theater money which is just now
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they're going to make fu money when it goes on streaming so what are your thoughts on maybe samaritan not making
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the streaming the circuit of the theaters should we be worried at first i uh thought i had similar
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thoughts as you ryan but then i mean obviously it's i think it's just like they need to get it out and it's been so
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long awaited and i think that they've kind of missed some windows for marketing they haven't done any for
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whatever reason and so i guess after some thought i think that i think it'll
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get more watches on streaming more people will see it because it seems like the only time people go to
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theaters now is like for the big super granted this is supposed to be a super
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aging superhero movie but like the marvel movies and you know like big blockbuster type movies but a normal
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movie nobody seemingly goes to the theater to watch those anymore theaters are i mean i don't know how long they'll
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last that's no it's fair it's a fair argument and i think there's people that fall into your camp with that absolutely
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that's a fair argument yeah i think there's kind of a stigma around going to streaming because
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traditionally if your movie went straight to dvd or vhs or whatever
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that was a sign that it was a crappy movie it didn't have what it takes to be in the theater so
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you would think okay well if it goes to streaming then it doesn't have what it takes to be in the theater but i don't
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think that's true anymore i think that the streaming's kind of changed the game there especially
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post covid people don't go to the theater as often i think people are more willing to stream someone probably did
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the math where it's like okay it's going to cost x to go into the theaters we're going to get y return out of it
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based on how many people are going to theaters you probably make more money is going right to streaming well whoever
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sees in the theater probably won't stream it i don't know what the costs are of putting in the theater but they probably did a cost benefit and the
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benefit was going straight to the stream okay i'm not sure how the numbers work that way like it's hard to say well
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it's about money they don't want to lose money they want to make money and they whatever crunch early previews buzz quality of film all
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those things factor in like okay this is what we have this is the product it's done we can't do any more about this
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we'll make more money on streaming so it doesn't mean it's gonna be a horrible film it just means maybe that yeah this is what we'll get on streaming this is
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the best we're gonna get all i can say is i hope it's good and i just wonder though are we gonna see another sly
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starring film i know he's a guest star maybe a marvel guardians of the galaxy i think he might have another guest appearance or something like that but
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are we gonna have another sly starring film in the theater if he does another
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like expendables will go to the theater yeah daddy's not starring officially starring
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steven and it has the stallone at the end you know it's that's right you're right if there's another like rocky or
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rambo movie definitely if the new mob show
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the king does well then possibly yeah i think it might depend on how that does
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every pug thinks they got one good fight left in them yeah
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there's the stigma streaming is certainly especially because of colbit it's not what it used to be no it's it's
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very viable and that's how i don't go to the theaters anymore i very very rarely years yeah yeah so i'm definitely going
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to watch anyways at home and in august so i look forward to reviewing that on the podcast okay good comments here from
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donald though in our discord chat he said the paramount sold a bunch of movies to amazon during the pandemic and
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top gun maverick was the only one they held on to because they knew they're gonna make mega bucks with that film yeah
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okay so now uh bring up your watch stream i don't know if you guys if it's big enough on your screen but i'm going to bring it up in mind for the viewers
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at home can you read the uh the dialogue there it's too small for me to see because for
The Arrangement
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people at home they're going to see it when they see this live recording of course for our audience listening on their earbuds on itunes what have you
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i'm going to read it to you and explain what's going on here sylvester stallone just yesterday of this recorder we're talking not even 24 hours ago this was
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18 hours ago at the time this recording he posted a picture of a book now the book is called the arrangement a love
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story by david winkler now you might be saying yourself who the hell is david winkler great question well david
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winkler is a producer a small time kind of producer but he's also more importantly the son of erwin winkler who
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was the producer of the rocky films okay and erna winkler's partner in crime was
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a guy named robert chardov who was another producer but who since passed away in 2015
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and uh robert shardoff was his last movie to produce just before his death was ironically the creed film the first
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creed film okay now i give all this background before you read don't read ahead guys if you can read it the story
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that david winkler wrote here is actually a memoir so it's a true story so it's called uh the arrangement a love story and here's the synopsis of this
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book that just came out last june barely a month ago it says everything in david winkler's life reads like once upon a
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time in beverly hills fairy tale a film producer of titles such as the creed franchise the 53 year old sits on the
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top tier of his profession enjoys a wonderful relationship with his two children and even gets along famously
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with his ex-wife so this is all true story stuff right here but seeking to avoid the drama and disappointment of
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dating and with his belief and radical honesty and ethical non-monogamy
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david reasons a shortcut through modern courtship he becomes a sugar daddy
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using a website that connects successful older men with younger women for romantic financial relationships david
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meets jordan a beautiful instagram model an influencer who harbors dreams of launching her acting career in los
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angeles after their relationship begins magically shadows begin to form and dark
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secrets take their toll in the jaw-dropping tradition of californication and valley of the dolls
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the arrangement takes us down the hollywood rabbit hole of sex power and money
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leaving readers in delightful disbelief because it's all true okay you tracking so far is everybody on
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the okay so that is the synopsis of the book okay here's what sly had to say about this
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book he says i quote you know i love reading and i've read thousands of books but i have to say
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this one is by far the worst if you ever run out of toilet paper please buy this one you won't be
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disappointed yeah it's very absorbent
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this unbearable worthless dreck was written by the painfully untalented david winkler who was the son of the
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remarkably untalented and parasitical producer of rocking creed
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even though i barely ever saw him around in all those years the one and only erwin winkler and wife margot
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i really respected and loved his wonderful partner robert chardov who had real talent and soul but unfortunately
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passed away much too soon if it wasn't for winkler there would have been at least another three rockies
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and that would have been wonderful frankly that crew are the worst unhuman beings i've ever met in the movie
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industry i will forever love the loyal fans and keep punching remember it feels good to clear your heart he then posts
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these three creepy pictures of david winkler irwin winkler and his
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wife margot on top of that just before this recording 48 minutes ago
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sly posts this painting now can you see the painting okay he posts this painting he says a very
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flattering portrait of the great rocky creep producer erwin winkler for one of the country's greatest artists also
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after you controlling rocky for over 47 years and now creed i should have at least a little of what's left of my
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rights back before passing it on to only your children don't you think that would
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be fair gesture from the 93 year old gentleman this is a painful subject that eats my soul because i want to leave something
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of rocky for my children but it's always great hearing from the loyal fans keep punching
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so erwin winkler's still alive yes okay see 93 he owns the rights to rocky the
Erwin
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loan does not own the rights to rocky he gave those rights away when he was a young starving actor to the film
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producers robert off to or just winkler well i don't know about charlotte i mean
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charlotte has passed away so i don't know i would assume irwin has full control just overall sly
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by golly it's his right to vent his frustration he's obviously hurting is this the first time that he's speaking
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out about his clear hatred for the winkler family
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publicly yes is my understanding yes he's hinted at it publicly this is the most vocal he's
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certainly he's ever been about the winklers and his feelings on he has mentioned that he doesn't own the
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rocky rights i think that was public knowledge but yeah i guess my thoughts are like it's
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unusual and a little like i don't love hearing him speak so negatively just because i'm not used to
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you know i do he's on a pedestal to me but he's a human being so that's a little striking
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i feel like since he's getting older the content of the book i would hate also that idea the sugar baby thing i'm
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like it's like disgusting to me like i but you know to each their own to each their own it's
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just you're fine with somebody using you for your money great but so the content of the book i hear if he's like i don't
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like this book blah blah but i think more so he's since the winkler family is coming into the spotlight a little bit
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more then he's seeing how the aging if what's his face irwin is 93
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he's like really getting angered by the fact that he's also aging and it's it's like he's
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being reminded that he doesn't have the rights seemingly and you know whatever's gone
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on negotiation-wise behind closed doors it sounds like it has not gone well or amicably at all and so he's lashing
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out he's getting old this guy's gonna die pretty soon and his kids are gonna get the rights yeah i did not like
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hearing that post i'm trying very hard to be understanding it obviously sounds
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like he's like katie said he's very hurt there's been some stages in my life where i felt very hurt
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and then i put some things on social media that i regret so i can't really judge him for doing that
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here i feel like if he five years from now he might look back on something like that and kind of maybe cringe a bit i
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think he's legitimately hurt and i can respect that we've talked about this before
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this whole thing with the rights to rocky every time i've heard stallone talk about that
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it comes around to the money part of it which i understand no one likes leaving money on the table
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even if it's a matter of principle like i work with people who are really rich millions and millions of dollars and
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then some transaction that's like they lose 200 or something like that and they're flipping out and i'm like that's
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like nothing to you it's still you know you wouldn't take 200 out of your wallet and throw in the trash right just the
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idea of losing that but i'd be more sympathetic if he says look i created
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rocky this is my thing and i want the rights to it because it's mine like i deserve the rights to it and then he's
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talking about leaving stuff for his children if this guy is beyond wealthy his children are set for life if he
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wants them to be they'll want for nothing that's true right i don't feel bad for you from a money perspective
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only you have way more money than any person could ever need but i would respect it more if it was from like an
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artistic i want the rights because this is something i created i take pride in the fact that i created this character
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and i think i should be recognized for that by having the rights i'd way or easily take your side on that
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there you know all good points obviously a very sensitive subject we trying to get into the mind of
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anyone let alone stallone is it's not that it's none of our business we're stallone podcasts obviously we focus our
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attention on his creations i.e the rocky one in particular it's something that he created and um i'm sure if he could go
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back in time he might have not given the rights away but he was a young starving actor probably just at the time i'm so
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grateful that this chance yeah whatever you need whatever you need to get this movie on made you know whatever the deal was he got hoodwinked maybe maybe you
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know he understands the business now more of course than he would have 45 years ago all these things come into play and i think it's not about the
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money i know you're saying kyle it's also about the legacy he's not able to give this to his family like the rocky
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franchise just like george lucas or he sold his disney i'm just trying to think of somebody um
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the lord of the rings guys tolkien like that is within their estate they were able to keep the token estate holds
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control of the lord of the rings like that whole fr that whole fantasy franchise is owned by
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the tolkien estate and i think that's kind of what sly is sort of feeling like
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shite i don't have that like the token state i can't give this rocky estate
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this franchise to my family it doesn't stay within the balboa family it's uh you know well the sloan family but the
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balboa family doesn't get the doesn't get to hold on to this you know for future projects maybe a reboot in 20 30
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years you know you never know like there are a comic book series book all these things is gone you can't it doesn't stay
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in is this 93 year old guy with his kids who have nothing to do with the franchise they get the bilk money off
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this and yeah it is about money they have to build millions and millions for years to come that sly has no control over especially when he's gone
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he the investing once sly does die he's going to leave this earth and once he's dead his family will have zero ability
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to get this back in there like it's just it's over yeah they can ruin the legacy by doing a
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project you know just for money because they don't feel that connection you know the great grandkids or something and so
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i can see that like as a fan that's like worrisome to me that the legacy of the franchise will
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maybe be muddied in the minds of people no one cares about wiggler like whenever anyone
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thinks of rocky they're going to think of stallone every time in everyone's mind
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the everyone knows that he created that from a legacy standpoint there and like like what he'll be remembered for
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it'll be sly who's remembered for rocky not winkler it really is kind of more about the money there and but like i get
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why he's pissed about that like i understand that but i did find it interesting that he said if it wasn't for him
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there'd be at least three more rocky films sure maybe that's for the best
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i do not like milking a franchise for everything it's worth like i think some less and more
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sometimes if we had sly doing more rocky movies in the 90s i
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don't think it would have been the best uh so i did like my comment though yesterday i commented under the rocky
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series podcast i said the beast in the basement
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that was a very uh thoughtful on point thank you it was and i liked it
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ryan yeah yeah you liked it yeah it was cool and i do know that he handles his social media that was from i can't say
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from who but i asked somebody that knows sly and i said look does he do the actual typing and he goes yeah we talked
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about that so he does it fantastic yeah all right but he's very generous not to my own heart he's very generous very generous
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well there's a lot to talk about i'm sure we might get some emails or comments about our thoughts of course we don't have any answers we don't know
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anything we're just ham and eggers but we love you sly you know we love your product we love your
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we love the rocky character we love the movie franchise it's a tricky business money does corrupt everything in the end
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of the day it's too bad that we can't just be artists without the idea of money holding back everything it's too bad everyone wasn't able to express
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their life through art or or stories or novels or poems or music without the restrictions of money
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or the corruption of money you know what i mean the world needs to be a better place if we could just everybody just express
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what they have to share without whatever you know anyways it's that's just not the world we live in
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unfortunately okay well here we are we're gonna go uh into the movie all right here we go uh they
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just finished of course at the ice rating skink a fun little date now the funny thing is they're walking to
Adrian
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rocky's apartment but i wonder what the discussion was after the ice asia must have known
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they're walking did he say i'm to walk you home or did he say i'm going to walk you to my apartment because that's where they're walking to yeah is this place on
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the way i wonder maybe it might be they do live very close together like they're in the same neighborhood i have always
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wondered that as well ryan it's strange especially in the 70s that he wouldn't
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walk her to her house home but yeah it must be on the way it'd be weird it's like all right
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adrian thanks for dropping me off in the sketchy part of town in the dark ever
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have a fun walk home you know some people very shy by nature
Frank
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you know i suppose
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i say you're very shocked by nature you know i suppose
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hey hey frank the phone from the dock
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i got him i got two recorded here that was frank stallone of course now there was a question on reddit on
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the rocky balboa reddit which is a kind of a small reddit subreddit but it's fun it's called rocky balboa it's on reddit
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of course dedicated the rocky franchise and the character and there was a question on there saying does
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rocky say it's the bum from the dock or the bum from the dark
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now in the subtitles officially from the blu-ray these this is the blu-ray uh special edition blu-ray that we're
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watching so according to the blu-ray captions and they probably drew it from the screenplay it does save the bum from the
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dark why and this makes me feel so much better that you mentioned this because growing up i always thought it's
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the bum from the dock someone rocky knew from the dock and then for some reason i saw it with
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the subtitle on and it said the bum from the dark and i'm like oh my god i got it wrong this whole time i feel good that a
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bunch of other people thought that it was the dock also derek doesn't really make sense i don't really get that the
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bum from the dark that doesn't really make sense to me well it comes out of the dark alleyway right
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you're right it doesn't make sense it would make more sense for rockets to say i've seen you at the docks even though we haven't seen
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frank stallone at the docks but we could assume he works the docks maybe he sings part-time
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it's rock singing bomb or the bum from the trash can fire or what you know whatever yeah what anywho it's the bomb
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from the dark two bumpkins you're probably doing drugs in that alley like what else are you
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doing in an alley at that time maybe franco was with gloria yeah yeah there are a number of things
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he could have been doing yeah yeah you know some people think that being shy is a disease you know but it don't
Being Shy
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bother me you know don't follow me either why'd i bother bringing it up huh
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because i'm dumb that's why i think we make a real sharp couple of coconuts i'm done with your shot what do
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you think i don't understand why anybody would want to be a fighter he's kind of
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pushing the future on to adrian a little bit this he's already talking about them as a couple look you're shy and i'm i'm
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dumb we're a couple of coconuts he's already kind of labeling them as a couple he's kind of already envisioning
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maybe it's a better word that they are now a couple they are going to be together this is the first state of many
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yes i agree it's either that or he's trying to sell how it's a good idea that they could be a
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couple like hey we're a good fit together yeah like we'd make it i'm stupid but i'm i'm loyal
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and i'm a nice person but i'm dumb yeah self-deprecation is um he does a lot of
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that but it works i guess here and but also kind of putting her down which
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doesn't really work you're shy you know you're shy and then she says i suppose yeah he says it's
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like a disease so it's like in a negative context which if i were adrian i'd be like you buddy i don't think he
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meant that because he was saying like i think some people are shy by nature
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just the way you are some people think being shy is a disease
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acknowledging that it's generally not accepted in society but i don't have a problem with it i think it's fine like i
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accept your shyness katie i understand your point why you'd be offended that because it's like
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that's often a passive aggressive way you burn people right like you don't you don't come out and say directly i think
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people who are shy it's a disease well some people think that you know like you
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know some people think you might have a body odor problem but it don't bother me none don't bother
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me now he puts it in her head then that it's like a problem which was unnecessary he's just like running his
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mouth she's shy and she's not really talking but now she is because she says she's asking him a question so
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i think it was just his way of saying i don't mind that you're shy
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but he said it kind of awkwardly in a way that could make you question yourself but yeah you shouldn't mention that other people think it's a disease
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because that could make you if you have an insecurity about that already that kind of feeds that insecurity exactly i
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think when he was saying disease i think you say it's not your fault like the way you would get a disease isn't your fault
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yeah other than aids no uh no but if he he said he's saying that it's not it's
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not your fault you're born that way you're just by nature you're a shy person that's all by nature i'm a dumb
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person so together we make we make a fine couple i'm dumb you're shy
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aren't we a couple aren't that's all he said so i think you say the disease part of saying you were it's not your fault that's just what nature gave you i think
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what he should have said what would get her heart more or be less negative would be hey
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you have a brain i have a body together we fill gaps make a sharp pair
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of coconuts i i hope he uses a gaps analogy later yeah yeah
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so she asked the question i don't understand why wouldn't anybody want to fight and i love the way she asked me she sounds so shy asking this question
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like her voice is like quivering a little bit he's like i don't understand or anyone would want to be a fighter i
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love that she asked that it's like a cool open-ended question it's not really a question it's a statement but it's
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really begging the question why do you want to be a fighter hey you've got to be a [ __ ] you got to
You gotta be a moron
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be a [ __ ] don't want to be a fighter you know what i mean it's a rocket where you're almost guaranteed to end up up
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i'm well i'm at least half football you know three bombs holy free bomb brokers
29:27
so far wow i don't think you're a bum it goes i'm at least half a bum okay well i
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love how he says you gotta be a [ __ ] yeah like the way he
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okay this crushed me as a kid honest actually when i was a little kid i love fighting
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like i always loved fighting as a kid [Music] boxer secretly in my mind i never told anyone
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right [Laughter]
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then you see him becoming amazing and yes it's actually kind of true the idea that
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you he's right another way to say is you just got to be crazy like you got to be insane because the
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idea to put yourself in harm's way on purpose it is a little bit insane like the idea like i'm gonna put myself in a
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ring or a square circle whatever and someone's gonna kick and punch me and it's gonna cause me pain like why would
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i i would i'm not a fighter i don't wanna feel pain it doesn't it does not entice me at all and i actually don't wanna inflict pain on anybody like i
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don't to hurt you i'm too i'm too empathetic for that like i get the competition but you have to think
30:40
there's not everyone thinks this way that's the whole thing or else everyone would just be a fighter like the idea that you'd
30:46
want to throw punches and receive a punch and get you know trained you think that you're training to take hits to the
30:51
head that's a weird concept to me so yeah you would have to be a [ __ ] to be a fighter to put it in like a business
30:57
terminology entering the boxing world is a career choice
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is a super high risk low expected return decision like he
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said it's a rapier almost guaranteed to end up a bum in that it's extremely competitive
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industry it's people were all over the world want to be boxers uh everyone wants to be the
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champ and so just probability wise you're not going to make it that high most likely
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everyone thinks they're special of course and you're not going to make good money unless you're up in the high ranks so
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you're going to spend a lot of time making [ __ ] money taking a lot of punishment and then
31:38
you'll likely have to quit either because you keep losing or you sustain some kind of serious
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injury then you end up in your 30s with no career options
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and a bunch of physical problems so yeah he's pretty on the nose i think a lot of people who end up going into boxing they
31:56
don't have a lot of other options indeed and even those who
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quote unquote succeed in boxing [Music] when they're done their body and brain
32:07
are damaged it's not great even if you're the best worst thing about fighting is the
The morning after
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morning now you know i'll tell you yeah the morning after fight you're nothing but like a large
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wound you know what i mean sometimes i got pains all over me i feel like calling a taxi to take me from the bed
32:24
into the bathroom you know what i mean your hair hurts your eyes hurt your face is all busted up your hands are swollen
32:30
you know look at his face 64 fights look at that nose see that nose that nose ain't never been broken 64
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fights i had guys busted on i had guys chewing on twisting and punching it i mean whack
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boom these guys are hitting my nose all the time never broke i'm very proud of that not rare that's rare
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why do you do it if it hurts why you think
32:56
you can't sing a dance yeah something like that a couple little trivia questions here that might come up later in our book of course uh you know
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how many fights did he have or before you had his nose bro so keep that number in mind i don't know i actually don't
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read ahead just so you know with the questions i don't read ahead what i like here as well is he's talking about how
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much pain a fighter is in after the day after i can imagine i played a little bit of sports growing up like
33:19
rugby and rugby you know you get beat up a little bit you get punched scraped and all that stuff you know so i did funny
33:25
enough did have a painful sport was rugby but yeah the morning after you do feel things we know as you know but he
33:32
talks about how you'd want to call a cab to go from the bed to the bathroom and we have this later explored in the creed
33:37
film when um when mama creed tells uh adonis like you know i had to drag your
33:42
father up those stairs and i had to wipe his butt we do learn that it the fighters they get beat up so bad that
33:49
one you could almost need help going to the bathroom but the idea that yeah rocky even in these little bar fights you know he has a hard time just getting
33:55
out of bed going to the bathroom and his address is 18 18. yes it's 18 that was their trivia we had a previous
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trivia question i can't believe i got that one that got that wrong you both got it right i liked adrien how she
34:07
remembered the cat singer dance part to me that shows that she was pays attention and she's she's interested one
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thing i like about adrian and just shy people or introverted people in general
34:19
is that when they say something it's important like they listen and then they
34:24
say something poignant and important or it's like a rocky or like somebody's kind of more extroverted
34:30
they say a lot and i'm not saying nothing they're saying is isn't important but there's a lot of filler in
34:35
there i agree i caught that too that she mentions the previous joke but the funny thing is he he doesn't build off it very
34:41
much he goes yeah something like that it's an odd response do you think he'd be like oh you you were listening or some i
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don't know i find it odd he kind of brushed it off he doesn't yeah something like that well he's trying to get her
34:53
upstairs he's already getting you know he's up the porch stairs and opening the front door
34:58
he's well ahead in his brain of where this date's going yeah it's very awkward because he's i'm sure everyone who's listening has seen
35:05
the movie and they remember of course that he is well three steps here a few feet higher
35:11
in the air than she is he's already taller than her it's really kind of interesting dynamic he's kind of standing over her he's kind
35:18
of in this power position but it looks like a power position she's the one who's going to decide
35:25
she's going upstairs or not but yeah a lot of pressure on adrian right now so much also i want to point out that this
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might be the first of many many many many many scenes on stairs that's right
35:37
you mentioned that before yeah that's right steps worst nickname in the wrong
35:44
let's say hypothetically adrian was a hard no to going upstairs we all know she
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doesn't but let's say she does the walk down those steps to walk her home
35:57
would be the worst three steps you'd ever take like you'd feel like total [ __ ] going down those
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that he'd be walking her home real fast yeah it'd be awkward he's throwing the hail mary here he's
36:10
trying to get her upstairs this is a high risk high potential reward here
36:15
he knows he's got her though somehow he's abundantly confident here he just like
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even starts to go up to his place and assumes that she'll follow him going up the stairs it's like almost
36:27
kind of like saying well you can come upstairs or you could walk home by yourself essentially oh yeah you
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i don't know there's a lot of creeps out there yeah you always tell creep you know
I gotta go
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hey you want to come inside no i gotta go hey come on hey i got some animals i got these rare very rare
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animals inside where come on come on no no i gotta go well i gotta go too i gotta go to the bathroom come on
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come on no i gotta go hey i got hey look at his face is that a face you can trust or
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what now re-watch this for the hundredth time you see adrian's face there she actually is being playful there if you look at
37:07
her expression i do you want me to go back and go back but she actually was like i gotta go but she was being a
37:13
little bit more playful there than you would think she was being i wouldn't mind watching that because i didn't catch that yeah well i think the first
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she says i gotta go like three times the first time she says it was playful and then the subsequent time she says it is
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more like no really i gotta go okay let me see watch her face yeah i think i go back far enough let's see no i gotta go
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hey come on he's rare very rare animals inside work come on
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come on no no i gotta go well i gotta go too i gotta do the best i don't want to get more playful right here see if she smiles
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i know i gotta go yeah i gotta go i think she's giving it a little
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yo [Music] of course we all love that scene where
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he kind of gently pushes the door open and she does go in on her own chord now like i look i just want to be clear as
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we talk about this upcoming scene and we've got half an hour okay he's got a heart out so we got to make sure we get this in so really quickly i just want to
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say this for the record we know in 2022 this wouldn't be written like this today we understand the coercion
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and all that you know he's like convincing her with his charm or whatever she's made it clear she but at
38:30
the same time well she did go inside she there's no forceful entry she went inside and we'll get to the scene later
38:35
with his arm but we get it but the point is we know the rocky character i just want to make that clear we know his intentions as viewers as his character
38:43
we get it we know that a first-time viewer this film you've seen 100 times in reaction channels on youtube with
38:48
this movie it with 20 22 eyes we get it wouldn't be written this way you could easily just tweak this scene and it
38:54
would be written differently today but i just want to get that out in the open that we get it we get that you wouldn't write it like this is 1976
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and it's still an innocent scene in my books because we know the rocky character would not even hurt a fly he's
39:06
so harmless well yeah we we know that i don't know if you're viewing this film for the first time in 1976
39:13
probably know that too you probably you probably like them by this time i never thought this way ever until this whole i
39:18
hate to say the me too movement i don't mean it like that but i mean i never considered this scene as a
39:23
non-consensual ever sink this particular scene pressuring her to go upstairs personally
39:30
i would never do this on a date it's just not my personality i really don't like pressuring people and making
39:36
people on crap like i hate sales for example kind of like that like a hard sell type of sales like that
39:42
it wouldn't be for me here you could probably say here even in 2022
39:47
rocky's being a bit too pushy but yeah i agree there's nothing non-consensual
39:53
here she could easily just walk away i don't think he'd grab her or do anything like that i would be interested to know
39:59
if there's any uh more mature listeners to the podcast
40:05
what's that i don't think we have any of those mature listeners but
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[Music] it was not that this makes it okay but the
40:24
coercive like come on come on come on but that was somewhat commonplace yeah a certain type of guy
40:31
maybe but or like the whole idea of like playing hard to get yeah it's clear she kind of wants to but she's like i
40:37
shouldn't and yeah she's a bit of a rock she's a bit she's a bit of a rock tease [Laughter]
No food
40:46
she closes the door behind her so she feels safe enough to do that it's very indicative she closes the door behind her right
40:53
she's just consider it that way yeah yeah what's the consideration are you hungry
41:00
i got some things in there i got uh if you like uh soda some donuts or something a couple cupcakes huh
41:07
no i love he's got donuts and cupcakes and he's got chocolate that's awesome chocolate like no actual food mean
41:14
meanwhile they have not eaten dinner that's right yeah that we know yeah theoretically they may have grabbed a
41:20
bite on the way home but probably not actually because almost any restaurant would be closed
41:26
except for maybe chinese food i think chinese food would be available but if i were a betting man
41:33
and you were not a sly if they got chinese food on the way home he would say no no and i think that's why he offers but
41:39
it's hilarious to me that he has like no actual food usually you offer a coffee
41:44
or maybe a glass of wine or something like that i but i do love how he's got chocolate cupcakes and donuts that's you
41:50
know i'm not gonna lie to you that's okay but chocolate isn't that supposed to be uh to a girl's heart chocolate an aphrodisiac yeah i just think it's funny
41:58
that he's not i don't know you want some cheese and crackers and wine like kyle's bed or like it's just like super random
42:04
you want a cupcake and a beer like no you know i feel like i'm really hard on
42:10
rocky with the dating things there because it's i have this set of rules in my head of rules of what
42:18
you should do and what you shouldn't do on dates and i think those are valuable to a degree but i think also at the end
42:24
of the day there is something to just being yourself rocky's weird he's a weird guy
42:30
he's kind of almost eccentric it's weird in a charming cool way like i like it i'm weird so i could relate to it i
42:37
think it's good just to be yourself that's who he is adrian from her perspective she can like it or not like it do you guys have that orange yellow
42:44
orange plastic picture yes of course yeah we did too
42:50
yeah yeah yeah for watchers to talk about this right here yeah okay so we have to keep in mind that there's
42:56
some history between adrian and rocky they have known each other for we know that rocky and paulie have known
43:03
each other since high school and adrian has peripherally at the very least been around them there's a history there
43:10
adrian knows rocky is not a dangerous person because even rocky says oh i've been you know going to your sister every
43:15
day telling you like it could it could also mean that this is their first romantic get-together but
43:21
rocky and adrian they could have been friends for all we know there's no indication that they don't know each
43:27
other it's just that she's shy and the way they talk you would assume there is some history the way they are with each other but this is their first
43:33
time alone maybe it's just like dating your buddy's sister like you grew up with her you know but now you're attracted to her
43:38
now he's like oh i want to date her now you know so like we don't get that history maybe a prequel would give us that kind of history but i'm going to go
43:45
with the the canon that because in rocky 3 we know that paulie and rocky were at least high school friends there's like
43:51
10 to 15 years of history probably a peripherally that adrian knows rocky that he's not dangerous and vice versa
43:58
he visits her twice a day he's purchased the animals from her like she sees how he is with butt kiss yeah i don't think
44:04
that she's fearful i think she just she's never been in the shoes yeah she's out of her element and i totally get
44:11
this if i'm in a situation where i'm out of my element i'm an anxious person by nature i think
44:16
adrian is too i tense up like i physically like my body language
44:22
i'm very hesitant to say anything i'm very hesitant to uh openly talk even if like someone else like say like doug or
44:28
someone comes on the podcast here and i don't know them i'll get quiet you know what i mean by nature
44:35
he's a teddy bear oh he'll just hold you in his big strong tattooed arms and just
44:40
pat your head so gently and give you a little blow in your ear and oh he said
44:47
i just used doug as an example sorry to quickly comment on the
The apartment
44:52
apartment here sure of course that's a man's apartment they're all the same i would be scared from adrian's
44:58
perspective being in this apartment for example rocky just hung his coat on a
45:03
knife that was found true and there's other knives that are also stabbed into the wall that are
45:10
similarly used as like a hanger an improvised hanger if you look in the
45:15
cupboard drawers right behind adrian there appears to be years of filth that
45:21
is accumulated and touching that's like this place is disgusting katie you go home to a guy's
45:29
place guessing maybe if it's a little cluttered that's okay but if it's like grimy in there like what do you think
45:35
if it were me i would be really disappointed at the condition i mean i wouldn't care that if he had
45:42
like a shitty apartment but if he at least kept it clean or whatever but i will let that pack if it were because
45:48
he's about to take his sweater off and he looks real good so you guys seen the friends episode where
45:54
phoebe's like dating two guys and she's like well jason's really nice so he gets
45:59
a point and then and so is vince but then vince also has the body so then
46:05
are you gonna dump jason well yeah because i have to break up with someone and okay so jason is sensitive
46:12
but now so is vince plus vince has the body you know so
46:19
it's really just about the math it is interesting that he takes his
46:25
sweater off right away like i don't know do you guys think that he's just isn't do you think he knows he looks
46:31
good or yes of course but what i love is he says he's warm so he's taking off a sweater so yeah we know rocky pays the bills
46:37
because the heat's been on since november but he's kept the heat on the apartments at least he keeps his apartment warm he pays the bills well
46:44
actually a lot of apartments i don't know maybe the affiliates different or where you guys are most apartments here
46:50
you don't pay for heat it's included in your rent that you pay for electricity in water i
46:56
think it varies this is like a house turned into apartments it looks like so i don't i don't know what the story is
47:01
there but yeah i'll also point out that rocky takes his sweater off like a woman
47:06
can't do it that way i can't cross my arms to take off a shirt i don't know i was talking to my wife why do women take their shirts off that way i don't it
47:13
looks sexy when their breasts just fall out i don't do that it's it's not the right
47:18
way to take a shirt off i like pull my hair just pull it off and my wife says well if you had long hair you'd mess up
47:25
your hair the way to do it is to take one arm out first oh that's the less likely way to mess your hair up anyway
47:32
katie show us how to take your top off
47:39
that was the right way to do it for our patreon for patreons uh katie will okay wait that's all the fans i'm sorry i'm
47:44
getting the two mixed stuff okay all right so why let's watch rocky take off his shirt
Rocky takes off his shirt
47:50
hot in here you know jesus is hot in here yeah this casually takes off the music
47:57
turn on the music so setting the mood nice [Music]
48:03
oh my god she just looks like this is exotic animals i was telling you about these my friends coughing link
48:09
i sold them to you sure i know you sold them to me remember you were working at that pet shop huh first day he was there
48:15
and i came in and bought both these animals huh sure i remember that i came and i bought this bowl and i bought the uh what the
48:22
animals themselves the food the marbles that go on the bottom there they were in the mouth remember the mountains i had
48:28
to get rid of that mountain though because they kept falling over and flipping you know what i mean history here he he bought those animals from her her
48:35
first day at the pet shop so that gives me a little bit of history too that he knew that he was she was
48:40
working there or would you assume that he happened to be there so that's what i mean i think he knew of her through paulie
48:47
and he might have already been attracted to her before she actually started work at the pet shop so she goes there and he's like hey hey yo i'm gonna and then
48:55
the first day she works there he buys the place you know he just drops all this money on her for her first like i
49:01
wonder if she got some sort of commission from all that sale of the turtles and the yeah my guess is she started the pet shop a few years ago
49:08
and then he was going to the gym or something and notice she's there says hey there's that girl i like
49:14
i need an excuse to go in there and talk to her and he likes animals anyway
49:19
in my book if you are like a huge animal like you get a million points for that that buys you a lot in my book
49:27
i would even forgive the hole in his wife peter like why come on rocky you knew you were going on a date put on a
49:33
decent undershirt there's a hole in it you would appreciate how you just not been wearing the shirt underneath the sweater
49:39
okay to counter your point kd it does look very bright white though there's no
49:45
there's not a hint of mustard stain on that wife beater churro so
49:51
it probably has another one i don't know if they'll hold but like wear a decent one
49:56
anyway you got soft jackets
50:02
sorry go ahead and see no i just kind of forgot how in disarray the couch is like he has to move [ __ ]
50:08
off of it for a place for her to sit yeah there's a blanket on that couch that
50:14
say the probability of that having residual semen on it is 100 there is
50:20
a bunch of newspapers the couch is a shitty couch you have like springs and like stuffing coming out of it
50:27
and then for the listeners there are a bunch of beer bottles wedged between the couch and the wall yeah oh yeah oh
50:35
that's probably the most unappealing couch you could possibly want to sit on
50:40
good thing she has like 19 sweaters and a coat on yeah exactly
The couch
50:46
why don't you come over and sit down you might sort of sit nice couch i don't know i look like it's a nice couch i don't
50:51
know which one is it sly is it a nice couch or not a nice couch i don't want to know you don't want to know i want to
50:56
know like kyle said he's a talker he's like one of those jabbers
51:02
there's big bugs in there you know safer over here
51:08
you want to sit down yes yes i do she does advance over there she gets
51:14
over there and now we do have an interesting comment that donald brought up earlier and thank you everyone or discord this leaving comments and
51:19
chatting we do appreciate it but he brought up an interesting comment that adrian's hesitancy could be religious that she uh
51:26
is catholic so she might be holding to her religion more than maybe the characters of paul and rocky do but they're all catholic in this society
51:32
right she's feeling nervous about her own sexuality so she's feeling it you know
51:39
so there's a part of her that you know of course the the female human part of her wants to but then her own upbringing
51:45
is like i can't do i'm a good catholic girl i gotta wait till i'm married that's a theory now kyle doesn't agree with his facial expressions but i'm
51:52
she's also shy but she could be a combination of shy and religious so she's just it's scary for your first
51:58
time sure if donald could be right there's no reason that couldn't be right like she
52:04
is catholic she could have those thoughts plus there's the idea that a good girl doesn't do this the whole
52:10
slut-shaming thing you're putting out on the first date although i don't even know if sex is in her mind right now i
52:15
just don't see any evidence of adrian being religious at all during any of the other episodes of rocky whereas they
52:23
kind of go out of the way to show rocky has some religious uh feelings or at least he maybe finds religion in
52:29
the second movie to me there just isn't enough to show that she has religion on
52:34
the mind but she definitely could i personally think she is just super conflicted
52:40
because she wants to go over there but she's such a fish out of water it's so foreign i'm guessing she has anxiety
52:46
and as someone who has anxiety i can empathize with her in this situation because you're so afraid of
52:52
doing the wrong thing or saying the wrong thing or doing something you regret or just
52:57
being awkward that ironically you end up just standing there like that which is probably the
53:03
most awkward thing so she does come forward though that's a good indication she does come closer to
Rockys parents
53:12
uh rocky these your parents yeah that's both of them then that's both of them there unlike my uh
53:19
polygamous family that's just they're both parents there i love that that's that's very natural
53:24
like a thing to do if you're kind of uncomfortable and you're in a man's apartment for the first time you know at this time and she's so finding something
53:31
to comment on in the apartments yeah this is a great transition it's a good way for her to kind of change the
53:37
subject and also to kind of get to know him a bit by talking about the pictures and i believe that is of course sly's
53:43
parents real life and those are all real photos from sly's real life sure most of our listeners know that of course
53:48
is this you yeah that's me when i was eight years old that's the italian style when it was a baby
53:54
i love his face there yeah he's like kind of proud of it he thinks that that's he thinks he's being
53:59
cute and he is his look i know i was a cute eight-year-old but i wouldn't put my picture up anywhere of me being eight
54:06
it is weird though isn't it yeah your parents can understand but this is early this is facebook that's all she she's
54:12
liking his photos on facebook right now yeah usually you put pictures of things that are important to you in my office
54:19
at work i have pictures of my family and things like that like you want to be reminded of certain things
54:24
your parents there that makes sense he has his football pictures and i think he has trophies and other
54:31
things up in the apartment so i think his football days in high school or whatever he played football as a
54:37
positive for him but i'm wondering why there's this picture of him as a kid
54:42
stallone himself had to decide to put that picture up they probably like hey we need some
54:48
pictures up there find some of all the pictures he went through he chose that one and not only
54:54
did he choose that one he made that one the focus of this conversation
54:59
i wonder if it's something along the lines of that harkens back to a more innocent
55:04
time a happier time in his life yeah he lives in a very dark place now he lives in a rough neighborhood this shitty
55:11
apartment he breaks people's thumbs for a living his hobby is punching people in the face and being punched heart getting
55:17
back to that childhood or those football days and stuff that makes a lot of sense to me yeah yeah very good so much for me
55:24
make yourself comfortable relax do the phone no i ain't got no phone i had to pull
Phone calls
55:30
you know because people calling all the time and uh who needs the aggravation right totally agree i hate phone calls i
55:37
do in general well yes we do now we're like i've always i've always hated phone calls i've never liked talking with
55:43
phone ever even before cell phones i've just never enjoyed phone call conversations talk on the phone i need to see the person i like facetime i'd
55:50
rather facetime than phone call if that makes sense i i want to see your face when i talk it's funny i actually hate
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video calling hate it well welcome to the podcast well you know what i mean like i would rather talk on the phone
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than facetime i think it's hilarious he's like you know people calling all the time who's calling him all the time
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he says i had the phone line pulled i had people calling all the time
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what that really means is my phone line was disconnected because i didn't pay the bill
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people who were calling me were probably people from other places that i owed money to no collectors
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yeah he's dodging the bill collectors or the police or someone
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i never made that connection honestly i took it as because you know we insert ourselves into the characters i just
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took it as if ryan was there it would be that i don't like i don't like the interruptions either i want to be left alone
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but you're right in his world it was probably heck debt collectors pay the bills right it's harder to get a hold of
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you if you don't have any way of getting hold you have to go to your house you'd have to make the effort to go there and talk to him face
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to face and he probably just never answers the door good theory i never took it like that i just took it as he's making excuses for why he he can't
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afford to have a phone i think all the above probably but i think it's a money thing you're right it would be a money at the end of the day it's a money thing
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one way or the other yeah for sure but here's the thing she does want to make a phone call and this is actually another indication she wants because she wants
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to call paulie to say that she's there why call paulie to say that she's at rockies if she had
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no intention of staying so again that's showing intention ollie made the comment that
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if he's late coming home adrian calls the hospital of course yeah
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so she's like assuming that he might be worried about her which she's not but yeah yeah i mean i think to her that's important she's probably a little
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neurotic that way um i don't think this was maybe thought of as much in the 70s but nowadays
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our girlfriend like we're always you know text us you're going out with someone text us where are you in case
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something happens to you we know where you were last if you need help or something i'm curious i've never
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really thought about this before but right behind rocky's head is a picture what is that picture looks like a old
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renaissance type painting uh let's see if we can get later but we got to quote the ice rink guy eight minutes
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yeah here we go interruptions
The problem
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what do you want to call i want to let my brother know where i am
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why i think you might be worried well i'll call you brother that's the
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problem yo paulie your sister's with me i'll
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call you back later see ya it's matt you don't like the room do you
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it's fun well it's only temporary you know what's the problem
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you don't like me don't like the turtles what's the problem i don't think i belong here it's okay
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i don't belong here remember the start of the movie where he's talking to paulie and says hey your sister you know what's the deal
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here i i tell her jokes she seems to laugh at them she seems to like my visits she interacts back with me but
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i'm not really getting anything back i think at this moment right now he's addressing the issue we've got this weird tension between the
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two of us i think you like me you've given me enough of you calm on the date you've come into my apartment what's the
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problem he's not saying why aren't you having sex with me i think i know we know that's where it heads but but now it's like what's wrong is it me is the
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turtles is it the way i look why is it you're not opening it up more i think that's what rocky's doing he's
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this is the most assertive he's really been he's actually directly asking what's going on do you like me or do you
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not like me he walks towards her i mean i don't know how she cause she even takes a step back when he walks towards
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her and he puts his hands up on the pipe but that sequence where he gets up from the couch puts his hands in his pocket walks
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towards her he is so hot i don't know how she doesn't just jump on him he looks so hot
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and that's he looks great he looks great he's a man's man here absolutely he looks fantastic it's peak sly you know he looks he looks awesome is that
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natural build before he went you know yeah well you know it's okay because you're my guest
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i don't know you well enough i've never been in a man's apartment
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alone so now she's completely aware of what rocky
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wants yeah rocky's made it known by inviting her to the part but of course she's not stupid she knows what she's
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doing here and he knows what he's doing here that's when she indicates i've never been alone in a man's party she's
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actually telling rocky i'm a virgin yeah good point she is uh not busted for sure
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no she's not boosted yet i don't love that she kind of keeps backing up
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i know at the time i really i do think it's like pretty innocent but it walks the line and because she says i don't
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know you well enough which is kind of odd but we'll see what happens which is very sweet of her to say that because we
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know tinder nowadays people don't know each other at all and yeah i have to say too this is just this backdrop
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listeners you can't see this but you have rocky there there's a really disgusting gross mattress right beside
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him with a huge king knife stabbed through it it's hilarious that this
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isn't comedic it's true but it's also i love it because it's not
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your typical cheesy romantic film really the polar opposite this exact
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opposite uh setting that you'd have any type of romance in is what makes it kind of cool i think
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four minutes well i they're all the same you know great line
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we're all the same i'm not sure i know you well enough says it again she knows what's coming
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now i know she says she's away you know i ain't so comfortable he's i should go
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don't go please don't come now i saw your expression there kyle and
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furless or watches on you here's the thing we know rocky we know his character we know their love that they
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have together like it's just unfortunate it was filmed this way because yeah by the way i just wanted to say i
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do have um my friend just texted me that she's gonna be late so i the russians probably okay yeah i have probably
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another 10 or 15 minutes perfect what's your thoughts on this scene overall yeah i mean it is like
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watching it when i grew up granted i was like a kid or whatever but it never made me uncomfortable
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watching it when i grow up it is hard to detach from the current lens watching
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it probably even then he shouldn't have done it probably regardless there was probably
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another way he could have but because they're not strangers he's not making her feel like he's like gonna murder her
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or rape her i don't think but it's hard like i do think it's innocent
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but it is also cringe-worthy in today's lens but she even kind of looks at his arm there is a wanting not that that
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again it's very hard it doesn't bother me only because i've been a fan of this movie for so long and i can remember
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that it didn't bother me growing up and i truly believe that if she right now
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insisted that she wanted to go that would be a key yes if she put her hand on the doorknob says i'm sorry rocky i
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have to go he wouldn't put his hand on the doorknob said no you're not yeah yeah yeah what do you think kyle
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well first of all i would be interested what uh your friend kim thinks because not familiar or not as familiar with
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rocky she saw rocky not too long ago for the first time right i can tell you exactly what she would
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think because i know her she would also jump on him i don't think she would have a problem with it either
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it's it's always the eyes of the viewer then the day you're gonna have to take you pull a thousand rocky fans you're gonna get a thousand different answers
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right but if i were a virgin it would make me uncomfortable probably we're watching it now
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they'll say in the 2022 lens of me too but i think that's not the lens that makes us favor this
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it's what katie said earlier it's we like rocky you grew up with these movies i showed this movie to my wife in 2007 and she
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saw this scene and she was like what the [ __ ] if the if she would because that was the first time she saw it in the
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2000s 2000s and like there are a lot of things that were common back in the day
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and it still doesn't make it okay right you know looking back on a lot of things that happen you're like wow that was
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really effed up but yeah look at those little rascals there's little rascal cars sure you know they have like racism and
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the little rascals but back in the day they're g-rated comedies when we were kids but you can't do like we we know
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that yeah and so of course i agree with kyle and his wife's viewing of course it's not proper behavior we know that
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but i'm just saying i never thought that i was supposed to know that is all i mean because ryan doesn't operate that way and we know the
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rocky all these things are true is what i'm getting at everyone's right because that is what it is it's just you look at a
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painting we're all going to have a different idea of what that painting might mean
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but at the end of the day the artists might have their reasons so sly is the artist here right he's he
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created a character that was not dangerous that so at the end of the day the character isn't dangerous we know
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he's not dangerous we know that adrian could have left in theory in this universe at any time rocky would have
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let her go because that is his character he can't even break people's thumbs who are bad he's not going to right he's not going to assault a girl it's just yes
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for a mass audience appeal this has to be rewritten that's all so that's the balancing act the character
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is not bad but for artistic purposes of a mass appeal 20 20 or anything after
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2000 you have to rewrite the scene because it's a different narrative nowadays you can't write this way
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anymore on a first date i would love to hear if we have any listeners ideally women but men who who were
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dating in the 70s and 80s yeah i'd love to hear what you know how your reaction was bill cosby i remember bill cosby
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what his thoughts are on this uh yeah to me this is just so cut and dry like it's like yeah i want to go
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i'm feeling uncomfortable and then dude pins her into a corner and says i am
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going to kiss you yeah you're right kyle like if this was a man
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a big man that was not attractive i'd be like that's f you know like i you're right i do like it because it's rocky
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and and i find him extremely attractive but if i didn't i'd be like get me out
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of here all right i could still like the rocky films and like the rocky character and not be okay with every scene uh
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donald really quickly here then we'll finish the scene so katy can go voting uh he writes your intent matters and the
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intent on and off screen was meant innocently but it is what it is that's all you can say like the we know it was
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written as an innocent love scene it is innocent we know that that's the intent
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the presentation okay it's flawed so i agree with that i don't really believe
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the rocky character would force adrian like he kind of forced a kiss on her i i
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don't think he would have gone further than that because we have it positive and i just want to comment on her i
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think she is just stunningly beautiful yeah i think she gets hotter when he takes off the
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hand glass no i love it when she does take off the hat because i the way her hair falls on her face it is very pretty
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i'm not gonna lie yeah she has like flawless skin and her features she's got perfect lips a perfect nose perfect
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eyebrows yeah gorgeous eyes she's beautiful she's about to get busted mm-hmm
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what she took off his list get a nice size you know
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do me another thing she took off that head tilia shire actually during the scene actually had the flu
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she was extremely sick in real life don't tease me
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she's very pretty i wanna kiss you you don't want to kiss me back if you
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don't want to kiss you [Music]
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wasn't so much the kisses the rubbing of his lips against her cheek but here we go but she can she can sense here because
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she like kind of looks yeah yeah for sure yeah it might be her first kiss the way she's
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acting it probably is and clearly she's not been told she's pretty ever yeah yeah
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i want you to listen when they drop to the floor you do hear a very subtle moan from adrian you actually hear listen for
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the moan she's she's yeah now i know it it's like a gaspi moan it's actually quite that sensual here listen listen
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carefully okay there right there there were a few
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of them when i'm having the sexy time uh you'll feel your partner do this too
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like a certain exhale there's like a rush of endorphins or something like that i don't know if that was on purpose
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or not i didn't post audio production she said she italia shire's in the booth all right talia we need you to make a
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little bit of a she just even as they slid down she kind of was like um yeah oh yeah like
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this is the most awkward kissing scene she's like fully clothed in this coat they're crunching down in front of the
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front door which also has like and they're kind of perched up and
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resting against his refrigerator or something like that it was like they
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were kind of so caught in the moment yeah they're doing this here right there which is hot which is hot i wonder if
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they remain there or if they like move to a new locale i have to comment and i kind of hate
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saying this but i have to even as a kid god if sly ever listen
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the kiss is not hot did anybody else notice before they really are like wrapped into each other it does not look
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like a good kiss it could be because she did have the flu and i think talia shire said that that
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she was has she actually hesitated kissing sly in real life she didn't want to get him sick it plays into the film a
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little bit but she was actually hesitant in real life about kissing sly because she was that sick but the way he kisses
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her right is i'm like oh god is he not a good lover you know yeah
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it's not the best kiss it could be just a full real life flu slash the actors acting
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awkward everything combined yeah it's not the most some people you have sexual chemistry with and some people you don't
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they have a great chemistry acting wise and as a couple but i thought the same is physical
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intimacy type of chemistry one last thing as we close this nice bow tie on the scene this is from donald great
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comments from donald they have great comments from everyone don't get me wrong i'm not just i just want to say everyone that our discord thanks for joining if you want to join us or
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discord join us or discord look at the show notes to see how you can join our discourse you can join us live when we record he goes on to say here the
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filmmakers didn't make us love rocky for an hour plus and now he's suddenly a rapist
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yeah if they could redo it they would we know he's a lovable harmless good person
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he helps kids on the street he cordial and nice and gentle blah blah blah blah we are more light now it's
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good it's good that we are more light now of course it's good that we're safer now that we're more active in sexual
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assault cases that we're we're vocal about these are all good things so we're not excusing the behavior per se i'm
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glad we are where we are i have a daughter or i have children so i want my kids to be raised in a society where
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this kind of stuff is not normalized it is talked about so that's all good stuff of course i have an honest question and
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i i i this is not rhetorical i do not know the answer to this i'm not super familiar with a lot of films in the 70s
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is there any scene remotely like this in film i'm not talking about
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like the specifics here i'm talking because we say like this thing oh it was the 70s which
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has a point is there any other scene where people are like is this consensual
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uh in movies i i'm sure i'm sure there is i mean we're not talking about straight on sexual assault scenes of
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course but i would assume yeah definitely the environment was different we know that with a cat calling we saw
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it like in shows like laverne and shirley these comedy shows and stuff that women were not uh they were
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sexualized and um that's just sexualized sorry they were um you just look at any comedies from the 70s and 80s the way
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they're treated the office and the way they were treated at home like it was normal again not good but it was
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normalized so so when you look at the backdrop of a lot of how women were treated and filmed uh
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objectified that's worth sorry they were objectified in film and screen all the time so in a sense i think if you want
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to even flip it this is even more innocent because rock is not objectifying adrian he's actually trying to show her
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that she is sweet that she is pretty that she has beautiful eyes that you know him saying i'm gonna kiss you again
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i know we know it doesn't sound right today but he's just saying like i really want to kiss you you don't have to kiss
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me back what he's saying is go i'm giving you a heads up i'm going to kiss you if you don't want to have a kiss just let me know you probably could have
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worded it better right but again well he does pause agreed i feel like there was a non-verbal con consent in that
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interaction whereas you know nowadays it should be verbal but most of the time it's probably not but
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yeah he says i want to kiss you then he hesitates and then he says i'm going to kiss like
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he gives her plenty of opportunity to say no answer your question kyle we've got a couple answers uh bruce willis had
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the similar moments in moonlighting same kind of behavior and that was the 80s louise said that gone with the wind
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there was even an implied rape scene so she had sex when she didn't necessarily ask for so definitely
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bigger films even in the 90s even in like tv shows like comedies even in the 90s like
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strangers would grab a woman's ass right or slide your bladder or something i
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just watched a rerun of the nanny the other day and they were at a base a basketball game and some jerk off sitting behind her like
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grabs her ass and she was just like what are you you know it was like laughed off yeah
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yeah yeah a stranger touching you know a sexual partner
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like what the hell yeah so again i'm glad we live it today again with my children and i'm old enough that i don't
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worry about me i'm not worried about ryan being sexually harassed you know my kids yeah i love i i like knowing that
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we are more aware and that everyone's aware so with this kind of behavior is like whoa what are you doing you can't be doing that that's good we
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want that so very passionate episode i love it i love the discussions because
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uh we knew the scene was coming we know the scene will continue to be quote-unquote not divisives right but it
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will continue to elicit responses from people throughout the years to come but we just want to make a letter known on
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the one more round podcast yes we recognize that this wouldn't be written today that i agree with the comments that of course would be rewritten to
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reflect rocky's intent of who he is as a character it just had the misfortune of being
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written back then so it doesn't age as well so this one of those classic didn't age well but we know the intent was pure
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it just doesn't translate very well as years gone it's gonna get worse and worse as the years go on it's gonna always be a scene that's gonna be one of
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those scenes right okay ready for the answers here we go number 16 what is the name of the bar that rocky goes to it is
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the lucky seven i also had slash andy's bar because later it's andy's bar right yeah good
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job and i also have good lucky seven times if you have lucky seven you get a point yeah what oscar did this movie win
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now first off how many did you guys write how many oscars oh [ __ ] i only wrote the one i knew for sure that's
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what i'm like okay so what about three three okay there are three
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well definitely best picture and then i think score and editing but i'm not
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certain about the other two did you get best original screenplay no it was best editing
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and best that's what i said yeah i'm not editing
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best director and best director yeah okay so how are you boring this if you didn't get all of them
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uh well we i don't know i don't really care what do you think kyle i was gonna say if you get one you get a point but
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that favors me because i only got one so so what do you want to do are you scoring it is a three point question
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i'm happy with whatever fine we'll score it as a three-pointer okay all right you're the tally guy so it's up to you
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there kyle so you hear that okay what type of dog is butkus now i'm going to say because i'm not sure
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let me know if i'm wrong i know katie knows for sure a bull mastiff yeah okay i didn't get that one
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you didn't kyle i like dogs but i'm not super knowledgeable about them thinking about that i feel like i've said it on
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the podcast before do you not listen i'm just i'm giving you hurt i'm sorry i'm sorry
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number 19 what are the names of the turtles puff and link right
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now true or false the las vegas odds say rocky will last three rounds i'm just going to say false
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yes okay in rock two rocky was a five to one underdog which
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means he had a one in six chance of winning they said in the first fight he was a 50 to one underdog which means he
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had a one in 51 chance of winning there you go those might be questions later on so we'll stand by for that just so you
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know the official answer kyle does just say best pitcher so if you want we all just got one point if you want to do
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that okay okay that'll be easier yeah rocco gave us the answer as best pitcher as the
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official answer so okay how many points did you guys get did you see l5 yeah
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okay ryan has 19 kd has uh 17
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i have 18. oh wow ryan you're winning all right well that's awesome thank you
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so much thank you rocco for putting that book together and uh i encourage everyone to support rocco by buying the
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book online it's the rocket trivia book by rocco luchadore thank you there you
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go make sure you buy that one there's a couple other trivia books out there make sure you buy rocco's okay well that is
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it for the episode and hear no belle
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