Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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welcome to another episode of It's a long road the ramble series podcast in fact this is season two premiere episode
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one because now recovering ramble First Blood Part Two and uh with me today I
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have a very special guest one of my favorite podcasters I'm going to say it right now Jack you're one of my favorite podcasters the host of the drunk Bond
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podcast Jack how you doing Ryan good to hear from you good to see you how are you doing good I don't dude you cracked
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me up you tell everyone that do I tell what everyone you're their favorite one of their favorite podcasters well yeah
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every third podcaster it's like a it's just it's like a random wheel whoever's on next I'll just you know every third
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podcaster yeah any compliment I can get I'll accept you uh of course host the drunk Bond podcast and you're part of
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the last of the action heroes podcast network if you're a James Bond fan you definitely have to listen to this show
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if you're not a James Bond fan and you're Rocky and or Sly fan which I would imagine people might be listening
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to this episode of of ramble well you never know right so if you're a ramble
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fan you're probably a s fan if you're a s fan well you guys also covered the rocky films on your podcast show so you
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can also check those out as well they're hilarious you guys guys is breakdown of
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the rocky franchise was spot on it was great you're fans of the movies you were never disrespectful but you were
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irreverent which I love great combination appreciate yeah I I love doing the rocky ones those were so easy
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compared to I mean Bon is pretty similar with all 25 movies so to do something different for a little while was kind of
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nice those are those are a piece of cake well that's how I feel sometimes doing Rocky is that I love it and I'm
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something like I'm tired of it but I never want to be disingenuous or feel like I'm just doing something because you know the paycheck's very big with
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our podcast Network we get a lot of money uh from tell me about it man from ad revenue and what I think you just
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went on your last vacation from the ad revenue from our shows I did and I had some left over so Daddy's in Furs right
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now okay well so I was just going to say with the rocky franchise I love covering
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I love talking about it but I remember when I started doing this Rambo franchise podcast I got very excited
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because it was just new something different right and it feels good to talk about Rambo I've had some great
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podcast guest host and yeah here we go you were now doing First Blood Part Two so I want to hear from you jack what is
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your history of Sly and or the ramble films and this film in particular with
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Sly I think we talked about it a bit on the last episode I did with you uh Chuck Norris would Invasion USA I watched it a
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couple years ago again and then I watched it recently it's a excellent movie and then I watched all the other ones and that was more your
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straightforward action movie and then a couple years ago I actually read the book which I don't know have you ever
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read a book uh start to finish have I have I ever read a book hard it is hard
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you have to start then you have to finish it yeah I've read the whole thing I've done that a couple times yeah all the way through I was very happy with
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myself and the book was even better than all the movies I thought with what's his name uh the sheriff Tel oh will tasel
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Tel t uh yeah I was surprised how much they went into his character anyway I'm
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not here to talk about the book but the book was that's my Spiel on my history with Rambo did you see First Blood Part
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Two like most people first or did you see First Blood first sorry if I missed that I first Blood first okay yeah which
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by the way have you tracked down who's in charge the titles for all these movies well if it's anyone it's Sly I
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got a bone to pick with him because I'm very confused well yeah I am too uh yeah so we have first Blood of course now
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recovering ramble First Blood part two which it almost makes sense yeah almost
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because you should call it First Blood Part Two Rambo that might make more sense First Blood Part Two Rambo I would
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have just thought First Blood Part Two I don't I don't know man but then he corrects himself with the third one I
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think the third one he kind of had a figure but it's ramble 3 which would lead one to believe if an alien race came down
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and rented ramble 3 and they like Rambo 3 they' like I want to see that would be the first thing the aliens would do is
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go straight to the Rambo movies I would if they did that then they liked it then
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they would be like I want to go watch Rambo one and Rambo 2 they wouldn't find it they would have a hard time finding Rambo one and Rambo 2 those aliens would
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be clueless and I can't blame them I'm confused too and then it was John Rambo
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or just Rambo for the fourth one well the fourth one was originally going to be called John Rambo much like rocky
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bboa rocky bboa right but they ended up just calling it Rambo and here's the thing the aliens
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then would have thought Rambo was Rambo part one if they watched ramble 3 first which gets very confusing aliens would
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have said [ __ ] this I'm going back on the ship can I curse on here yes please go
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ahead okay well we'll talk about the film when the credits come up cuz the credits will come up during our episode
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and I do want to speak to a couple of the uh the key members but throughout if you're listening to this season and you didn't listen to My First Blood coverage
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I almost kind of get there are a lot of First Blood Part Two fans out there Vice First Blood which is odd to me but that
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being said what we're going to do is I'm not going to break down like every minuscule moment per se but there are
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some interesting characters at play that will be introduced in the credits at the honor episode that we'll talk about but throughout the season these names will
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come up so don't expect this first episode so to our listeners you know I get hundreds of emails a day right as you can imagine with the downloads right
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I get hundreds a day and people are always saying Ryan you missed this Ryan you missed that and I just want to let our listeners know that those things
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will be covered as the episodes go on throughout the season had to get that PR out of the way yeah I know because you got angry keyboard Warriors ready to go
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I'm I'm so glad you didn't have me on for the last episode of First Blood because that's like an emotional very
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sad scene with that speech and everything and I would not have been the right person
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to have hor for that one so worked out well that was our season finale you what do you want to speak to Rambo's
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breakdown two TR you can certainly express your feelings on it right now if the fans would have been listening for
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that episode because that's where the movie all just comes together you know like why he's doing this your fans would
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have been just pissed that I was on I probably would have made fun of Sly and not taking it seriously and I wouldn't
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have been the right guy that's all I'm saying I'm glad I'm here and not there okay well that's fair it is interesting
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scene I always call it the sly cry he doesn't do it very often in his films yeah it might be a reason he doesn't do
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the sly cry very much go back and watch it and I would recommend if you do watch that scene watch it with the subtitles
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on because there's a lot of dialogue I guarantee you our listeners haven't heard before yeah about like the kid with the shoes and um it was a terrific
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scene I mean it was great and very sad and just probably a lot of people experience especially with the Vietnam
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War experience when they got home so yeah I mean it was it was it was well done all all right here we go you ready
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oh actually before the movie starts here's something you might find interesting so first blood in today's dollars and I've heard this on a couple
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other podcasts I don't think it necessarily in our Network because our network doesn't get anything wrong inflation is important because what
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inflation tells you is if a movie makes let's say a movie makes $100 million in
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1982 that represents how many tickets were sold so if tickets sold for you know the average ticket was let's say $2
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a pop that would tell you that's how many tickets represented with that inflation and ticket cost I like to do
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inflation for current years to give you an idea in 2022 had this movie be released with approximately the same
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amount of tickets what would this box office be so then you can kind of measure with other movies so first blood
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in today's box office would have made $300 million that's just domestic
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because back then they didn't really do overseas as much as right there wasn't the China Box off yeah I would say I
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would say these older numbers are probably measured domestically cuz I don't know how much they yeah $300 million absolutely that was
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first blood with like a $15 million budget okay which would have been about $40 million budget so with a $40 million
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budget a fil makes 300 million that's a good turnaround for today yeah now here's something interesting my brother
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Ruben uh my original co-host on the on the rocky series podcast he brought up a good point about sequels when a sequel
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makes a lot of money is it because the first film was really good and the word of mouth and all that stuff and then
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everyone shows up to the sequel or is the sequel really good and everyone shows up because of word of mouth or is
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it a bit of both cuz I'm going to give you the number of First Blood so we know the first film was amazing nobody knew
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it was amazing until it almost hit VHS and they did that circuit in the VHS for 2 to three years cuz this comes out 3
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years after first blood was released so now we've got the word of mouth about First Blood we've got all that circuit
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has happened on VHS and people are talking the squel comes out sequels are big there's a big pop at the box office
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what do you think the box office would be in today's money what do you think the reason for the high box office would
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be in this situation keeping in mind First Blood part one was 300 million in today's ticket sales I don't know I
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wasn't planning on doing math today sorry no uh I guess it would have it
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depends how good the first one was I mean you say that word of mouth came around but I mean if it was already making what it make 300 million yeah the
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first one I mean then I mean it was a huge hit I think at that point if Sly was as big a star now as he was then
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because Rocky 3 came in 82 that was first Blood yeah Rocky 4 85 and then
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First Blood Part Two yeah so I mean he this guy's a superstar like movie star
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so I think there was just already already a bump just from the name yeah I don't know man I guess guess I guess my
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answer is I don't know I didn't even put you on the spot that badly I apologize nothing to do with you I just
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just a little slow that's okay 750 to about $800 million in today's money oh
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[ __ ] okay for Viet War film PW film it only had like a $30 million budget they
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only doubled the budget still very small film as far as budget was concerned part one was fantastic you're right about Sly
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star was Rising absolutely but you could also argue that part two is it a better film than part one I don't think so most
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people shouldn't think it is I'm in the minority I think this is the exact same kind of thing as Terminator everyone
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knows Terminator 2 Terminator 2 is is awesome everyone kind of forgets Terminator one I person like Terminator
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1 I think it's just a masterpiece I feel this way about Rambo Rambo if you want like action let's go shoot him up watch
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Rambo too but first blood is like I'm truly a solid film it's great and I
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don't like comparing sometimes I feel like when you compare it's like do you like chocolate ice cream or the vanilla well sure maybe I'll eat chocolate over
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vanilla but you give me vanilla ice cream I'm going to eat it it's irrelevant like you're asking me to choose and of course I love part two and
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I I love all the ramble films I'm going to make that clear right now they all have flaws and they all have things that are amazing and different about each one
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and they're some are more fun to talk about because they're not as good but Ramble 2 I think for me holds a special
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place in my heart too because I think it was I can't recall if I saw it first or not it was in that window it came out
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when I was 10 years old I was watching movies like Terminator the first one I was watching Conan I was watching Mad
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Max so I was watching all these films at a very young age and so my parents probably rented First Blood before part
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two came out but it was it's so close together that I might have just seen one before the other I don't even know
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they're interchangeable but I think part two definitely when you're 10 12 13
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years old your kid of course it's the action-packed it's the oh yeah a 10-year-old will like Rocky four more
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than the first Rocky right cuz when I first saw him in high school Rambo 2 would be my answer I think that's a
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better the better movie now of course First Blood no question right you so so it depends if it's a nostalgic reason or
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whatever I doubt there's very many people who truly believe part two is a better filmed the part one but the fun
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Factor the enjoyment Factor the over-the-top factor it's all in part two which I love it's so ridiculous and fun
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I love this film it almost like they made this film and part one never existed right or little intro little
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intro so right away we had that classic explosion which if you're seeing this
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you got sorry if you see this fil of cold just you know just go cold do you think right
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away oh we're already at War you don't you're not even thinking prison camp which I think it's a great it's actually kind of a clever way to open a film of
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we have an explosion number one it's a real explosion you actually have the debris of rocks falling onto the cast
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and crew below but it's a great way to open the film because there's a party of you that thinks oh Rambo's already at
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War especially if you saw the trailers you might think he's already at War but of course we're going to pan down that he's not at War they're blasting Rock
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and I guess a prison that breaks rocks are you familiar with this type of War yeah I've done some hard time before but
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nothing like that uh no I'm not sure what the goal is here they just banging
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down some rocks and I mean it looks like a mountain are they are they reshaping it it's like busy work maybe this was
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the mountain that Rocky climbed in part four and Drago has ordered it to be taken down you know what you might be
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right there
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okay let's keep those hammers
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working now what do you think of the police guard Armament ratio to prisoner ratio that's a pretty like these guys
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must be hard and criminals cuz they these guards are loaded to the teeth well yeah I think if you're doing that
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kind of time I mean these are these are some bad ombres the these guys are no joke and Rambo you know he's no
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exception I mean he just blow up a whole town and kill a cop and let's not forget those dogs he killed so I'm not going
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there unarmed that's very true very good point now we should note that this took place slly loves doing this he did it
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with the rocky films and he's doing it here with the ramble film by the way so this actually the events of ramble part
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two could we just call it what do we calling are we calling this ramble part am I going to have to say ramble First
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Blood Part Two this whole season I hope not so in this second Rambo film I don't
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know I don't know what to call Rambo to okay so in Rambo boy in Rambo 2 I can't
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wait to get to part four because I'm just going to be calling it Rambo like it's G to get so confusing it's yeah you can't you can't say Rambo then you gotta
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say Rambo four you see that's why you need to have the guy that was in charge of titles on your show and give him a
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good dressing down because this is ridiculous drunk I would love to get the guy that was in charge of these titles I
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got a feeling I've been trying to get this guy for six years years and for six years he's been ducking me okay so so
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anyways in Rambo 2 the events take place 3 years after the events of Rambo one first blood that is actually the same
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amount of time the film has taken place so slide like to do this in the Rocky and the ramble films it gets a little
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confused with ages especially with the Suns and the rocky films which you know about that when you listen to my other show here three years have passed so
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he's been doing Rock labor heavy labor for the last three years which would explain we're about to see later in the
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film I don't I don't think we'll see this part of the movie we're going to see his incredible physique okay his Sly
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has totally like he's got that Rocky for body right now it's insane it's it's probably the peak Sly body that he's
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ever been in you know in Conan when Conan was doing that slave he was a chain to that wheel and he's pushing
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that wheel for 20 years or whatever right that's how you keep it tight
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that's how he got huge well that's what's happened to Sly here or sorry not Sly high protein died over there too
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[Music]
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R let's
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go now I love how his jeans are still blow like an army person there I don't like that they're not painted on like
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the old ones though [Music]
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now I misunderstood when I first saw this film was a young lad I used to think that he was in a some sort of a
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prison like outside of America oh you did why why did you think that I don't know because the whole movie takes place
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in Vietnam so my brain just kind of went like everything is not in America I don't know why it took me forever to
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realize well this here isn't it's an American prison where I'm not sure it's being held but
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how are you Johnny good that's
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[Music] all it John I'm sorry they sent you to such a hell
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hole I've seen worse yeah you have haven't you so there you go some uh
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Little Gems of course about Rambles pass being the P camps and Vietnam like I've
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seen worse I've been worse which is true he was probably treated a little bit worse in the Vietnamese prison War camps yeah it's like play time it's like
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recess he gets outside time he doesn't have any uh I don't think any of these guards shovel their feces to him for
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supper was that a thing yeah that's what he was fed when he was the Vietnamese prisoner they would threw crap on him
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remember the sequence where they throw the the stuff on him and the Oh okay that's what that was yeah I usually have
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a good eye for that but uh I didn't remember that John I told you that I'd
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help you when I could you
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interested you can't possibly want to stay here for another 5 years so he has an three years down five
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to go so it's was just an 8year sentence what do you think of that eight years from what he did to that town what was he convicted of I mean G died that's
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confirmed but it was probably manslaughter yeah I mean and he said out loud it wasn't my fault so that's good
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enough for me that's good enough for a jury yeah and he also said he didn't want to hurt anyone else that was true yeah and
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those poor bastards that own that gas station and that that gun store maybe he
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apologized to them I think he did write a pretty heartfelt note in court I'm sorry and I mentioned those two dogs he
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killed I think it was four four okay well yeah well then double that yeah animal cruelty that's probably pretty
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serious actually but you could argue it was self defense right the dogs were attacking him I guess so I mean he
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probably had a good lawyer in here at least I know where I
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stand so he's saying I guess in the prison he might be I don't know what do you think he's probably one of the top
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dogs there do you think it would have messes with ramble in prison he's ever I wouldn't I I didn't see any guys there
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that could take him I bet you Rambo can freely drop the soap in prison not worry about anything oh yeah yeah you don't
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drop the soap but he can drop the soap anytime he wants Rambo he can well we see what he does in part five he can rip
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out your collar bone with his bare hands so I would suspect that anyone tries to mess with the ramble he's probably the
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king dog in the prison yeah maybe just best to just let him be just hear me out
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first the covert operation's being geared up in the Far East your name was dug out by the computer of one of three
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most able to complete the mission in 1985 I guess the Atari and the Commodore
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and I home computers were starting to be sort of become a thing you could have a home computer in your home this was a
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real novel idea and I love how I hear trauma saying the computer the computer
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processed all this information about who's best for the job type thing and you were one of three names that came up
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I just like the idea that the human factor is eliminated from this it was a computer that kind of decided who what
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kind of algorithm did they put in look this is the mission computer these are the people available Pastor president
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that could do this Mission and somehow the computer figured out well ramble is your best guy that's what he's saying
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here yeah I think they had an app for that it just typed in all the information and then just boom John
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Rambo it's like well that was easy right there that's him it speaks to the 80s a little bit because if this was
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scene let's just say the same scene was written today the conversation would have been the top heads of state got
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together and we came up with you like we talked as humans and we decided now we
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might have used a computer to find out who's available and where are they but at the same time it wasn't a computer
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that came to the decision it was us taking the information from the computers and we decided you were the
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best person for the job but it's just funny how it was the compu or the like some sort of should I have some headphones on I'm just realizing I don't
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even have any on it wouldn't hurt that be for the best brought them I might as well wear them sorry about that no no it's fine I edit all this is not live
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the people that see live on some something called Discord well it's live for it's live for them but they don't
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care some of them actually like well they watch us they're talking right now I know they're talking about us right
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now and they're having conversations and they laugh and having a good time well
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yeah yeah Mission Recon for p is In
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N why now why me the computer prison camp you escaped from at 71 a Target
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area nobody knows that terrain better than you do the risk factor is very high you'd be
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temporarily reinstated in the forces and if the mission's successful there may be a presidential Parton you
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interested yeah good good you know he thought it
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over a little long there basically saying look if you do this Mission and it goes well we can knock the last 5
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years off your prison sentence what's the worst case scenario the mission fails and this is what I don't understand if the mission fails he doesn't get the pardon he doesn't even
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get it for trying I guess they weren't really clear on that I was mostly just like clearly Rambo's got some issues
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with the war he blew his top a couple years ago on a poor town up in Hope Washington what we're saying is uh would
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you like to go back to Vietnam and this hi for V okay you're locked and loaded and you're going to kill about I don't
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know three 400 people what do you say Johnny Boy like this is asking a lot
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well at this moment Rambo doesn't think necessarily or he wasn't told necessarily that it's going to be a
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firefight he said it's a recon mission which can lead to obviously to but the idea of a Recon of course is just
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surveillance the little military knowledge that I have I'm in the Navy I'm not in the Army but my understanding
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is a Recon or Recon is you're just you're scouting you're looking seeing what's there you'll Engage The Enemy if
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you have to if you're under attack but you're not to expose yourself you're just looking around getting information coming back with that information but
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you're right I think there's a part of ramble like you know what I would am I going back to n I'm sure I had a good time there yeah screw it yeah it was
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wonderful I'll get the necessary clearance the next time we meet it'll be in Thailand with the special ops
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designate who haunts the operation yes all clear yes now I do like how
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Rambo he's turned on his military mode I love it right now he's yes sir yes sir it's subtle but I think it was
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purposeful that rambl now kind of turned it on he's a soldier again already in this moment he's accepted the mission
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and now he's responding to everything that the Colonel's saying as yes sir yes sir like I've got it understood yeah
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creature a habit Tom's so key to both these movies having that one Ally because he really is just a loner the
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whole time and in both movies he plays such a vital role I mean the first one to introduce the audience to who Rambo
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is and this one he's got one Ally at least one guy fighting for him otherwise
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he'd be screwed yeah and then KL TR going to go on to say here uh you know I try to do what I could to get you out of
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here and I want you to know that I did what I could to keep you out of here I
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know not enough clearly no not enough no sir that's all right do we get the win
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this time this time it's up to you now I love
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this moment because there's two things happening here there's the movie script sort of idea happening here and then
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what we're supposed to believe would be a real conversation between the two characters so you get what I'm saying is
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this a real thing that characters in this universe would actually say so you got ramble saying do we get to win this
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time is he speaking about the Vietnam War or is he speaking about the events of the first film yeah Vietnam War yeah
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the biggest [ __ ] show of all time if we say it's the Vietnam War I want to say slow your row Rambo you're
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one person the war is over it's officially over and you're going back to do a Recon to see if there's any PS
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great that's a very Noble Mission but there's no winning at this point you can't really win you can rescue the guys
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that are there but I used to always think and I still kind of do I think they're almost speaking to the audience a little bit because in the first film
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Rambo the character and the way the script was written he wasn't able to win he wasn't allowed to win his winning in
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that film would have been to destroy the whole town to kill the cops or what like he wasn't allowed to go full Rambo is
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what I'm getting at it so I think this is kind of a nod to the audience saying hey we were constrained a little bit
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with the events of the first film The how it's written but now we get to go full ramble do we get to win this time
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do we actually get to go out and fight and do the things that ramble was told that he can do in the first film it's
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almost like the first film was a tease to what Rambo can actually do when he's given go nuts you can do it yeah I guess
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I always thought of it as they're talking about the Vietnam War because he says do we get to win this time not do I
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get to win this time good point yeah if he was talking about first bloody do I get to win not that you know that's an
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odd thing to say but uh I never thought that yeah I guess the first movie though but um yeah I think it's for the
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audience though and just some 80s cheese to kind of I think you're right you know that's that's a given that's true in
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fact in fact I'm actually offering this show to you I'm bowing out I told you last time you could just take the day
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off you know you have a lot of podcasts I can just do all the shows for you for a while take a minute they won't be good
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but I'll do it no it will be good I'll listen put that way I'll listen for sure appreciate it so I always took it as it
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was a wink to the audience and I may be reading too much into it but I kind of took it as a wink to the audience do we
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get the win this time because now we get to go full Rambo cuz troutman's response was this time it's up to you
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it and here's the theme music to my podcast I love it I can't believe they
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stole the theme music from my podcast [Music]
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I want to talk about George P cosmus he's the director of this film Sly as you know or maybe you don't know but a
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lot of our listeners might know this Sly has the tendency to sort of find himself with directors that he can I would say
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he can direct but you don't direct Sly and that's not a criticism so much as just the reality of who he is Sly is Sly
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he is the top especially 1985 he was the top dog it' be like telling I know be telling like James heeld to play guitar
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like at some point the artist is just the artist you don't tell these people how to play guitar how to sing or how do
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you really direct like a producer of a like a Metallica was one of my favorite bands so I use them so like these guys have been doing it for almost 40 years
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when you're producer of a Metallica album at some point they're just Metallica you don't really tell them
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what to do anymore you can give suggestions so I think Sly is kind of like that again it's not a criticism but
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I think it's just and he would even tell you that his eag in the'80s was pretty high like he has said that so I'm not
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saying anything that he hasn't said I'm saying all this cuz George padus was a very who who is he he's a nobody direct
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who directed the first one Ted KF they had successful careers in since they did other stuff it's not Martin Scorsese
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it's not Tarantino it's not Steven Spielberg there's certain directors that Sly for whatever reason never kind of
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worked with but when he worked with guys like a Mangold who did of course Copland
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or cougler who does Creed when he actually works with directors who are you these strong directors probably with
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strong personalities SL will then turn a performance that exceeds what the
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audience would think he can do this George P cosm modus guy I wonder how much of it was him saying okay Sly I
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want you to like or or it was just hey he's the camera guy he his job is to take care of all the shots but I wonder
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how much he actually directed Sly I want you in this like as much as Sly as like I've got it and Sly kind had I mean he
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had the formula down between Rocky of course he directed all the rocky sequels who was a bigger star in the 0s than
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Stallone I mean he's the top five kind of gu so it's like I'm making money we
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know what we're doing I know the formula we're not going to win any Oscars but we're gonna make money achieving the our
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own little Mission here yeah so let's not mess with the formula and I think that's kind of how it it's kind of like
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um Bill Jackson coaching Jordan it's like well you can only do so much let's just give it to Jordan he knows what
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he's doing I don't say it as a criticism so much as just uh that's my guess and if I'm wrong I'm wrong maybe Sly was
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like George what do I do next what what do you suggest maybe he did that the whole time I don't know I'm just suspecting from what I know about movies
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and what this guy's career was like uh not the George's career as director he actually directed again I say directed
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one of my favorite films of all time like top five if not my favorite Western of all time he was actually the director
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of Tombstone really why do you put director in are you implying that you didn't direct it I am implying in fact
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if you Google it right now George P cosmus bless his heart he actually died where I live in my city I've mentioned
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that one of my podcast he died here in Victoria British Columbia he ended up living here in his retirement years and
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he died here rumor has it well it's it was rumor but now it's been confirmed that Kurt Russell took over directing
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duties of Tombstone really yeah wait he died in during the production no no he
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was alive and well during the whole production release of Tombstone it's just he was just inadequate type
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director where Kurt Russell literally took over directing duties you can Google that just Google in your own time not no not right now while we're
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recording and to our listeners yeah give me a minute I look this up oh someone in our Discord just
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said that Unforgiven is better than Tombstone okay we're not going to we're not going to do this right now okay we're not going to do this I Nei here
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nor there it is neither but I love I love Unforgiven it don't give yeah anyways it's like you know Unforgiven is
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like first blood and then tombstone's like First Blood Part Two it's they're just two different types of films but they're both amazing for what they are
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okay anyways all that being said I find this all very interesting so that's the director of this film it is George P cosmus maybe he had complete control I'm
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just guessing he not that was just my long winded I apologize
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[Music] we go the confusing
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title I don't know who signed off on it only one
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person I won't I won't say his name but one person signed off on [Music]
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it so yeah we're just getting all the uh the credits here of course
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so I love we get this shot here of course of the American Helicopter coming over the uh rice fields or whatever and
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it's kind of like an homage to of course probably what these Farmers saw in the war you know you see all those films
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those Vietnam films of course the helicopters flying over the farmers screenplay by Stallone and James Cameron
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yeah wait yeah I saw that that's the same it's only one J James Cameron I
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guess what the hell yeah it is the same James Cameron I think we missed the name it said Story by Kevin jar okay so Kevin
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jar was a young upand Comer screenwriter Kevin jar actually also wrote Believe It
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or Not Tombstone there's your Tombstone George p cosmus connection it is all
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connects and Kevin jar wrote one of my favorite films of all time actually he also wrote Glory the uh Civil War movie
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with Morgan Freeman and Matthew BR and Denzel Washington oh yeah yeah Kevin jar is no slouch of a Storyteller or writer
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but he basically only kind of gets story credit for this film his idea was is
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that ramble goes back to get the PS out of Vietnam which was a great idea he had a story treatment but he didn't write
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the screenplay as we know the screenplay for I'm not trying to insult anybody here but the what the screenplay is the screenplay itself is not just the story
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but it's like the dialogue the ins and outs character development and all that kind of stuff and so corre the order of
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things was Kevin jar wrote the story treatment James Cameron came in second to write the screenplay and originally
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Rambo had a side character or a um co-pilot so to speak partner did you know who that was John Travolta I mean
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fun facts hit me with it come on really yeah can you imagine it fit right in
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John Travolta in Vietnam great you know there'd be too many uh quips about
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staying alive in Vietnam this beaches are so
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Sandy yeah got that yeah thank you James Cameron uh wanted to have a sidekick and
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they also believe it or not I this might surprise you James Cameron what he added to the screenplay and story was more
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action over the toop stuff the same way he did for aliens with the sequel to Alien Part One Love how aliens was the
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sequel to alien talk about confusing titles right aliens was the sequel to alien so it wasn't called Alien Part Two
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they just yeah I've never actually I've actually never seen those movies oh boy okay well I know sorry well we'll fix
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that later you throw me off for now well no no no what we'll what we'll do is we'll that out no no we're going to get
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you on for last the action podcast episode of of one of those films is what we'll have to do with you what I love about the aliens movies we're talking
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about weird sequel titles alien alien was called Alien Part Two was called
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aliens plural I never knew that and that would be like calling first boy part two
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if James Cameron got the title it it be called first Bloods first Bloods that's catchy a movie I had a go on scene so
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what he did to the script was he just made it more action over the top then Sly comes in so Sly beautiful sly he
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comes in as the third guy on this film says okay he actually really liked p
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idea he liked going back to Vietnam he liked the idea that we're going to go over the top of the action he respected
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James Cameron's ideas on that and then Sly comes in and Sly ifies it with the rest of the story so the helicopter
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pulls in dropping off Sly I like how Sly is wearing his kind of like a civilian outfit it's like this rag tag red shirt
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Timeless look really he's got his jeans blouse still oh these the painted on jeans that
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I was talking about I think so do his armpits hurt his arms are kind of out you notice that can't quite get them in
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you know he's got that lat syndrome where you can't quite squeeze the arms to your side that pump is always with
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you and I know I think I saw some pictures onow 3 when he was just lifting weights to always look that look what
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you have like after you just work out bigger than you actually are they always just had that so he like couldn't even
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move around it's like fluffing it's like fluffing before the scene you know he's fluffing exctly exactly in there
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I like to do the same thing you know before I take off my shirt for my wife you know for you know for special time I like to you know do a couple push-ups
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you know and couple of arm curls and make myself look you know more man oh yeah yeah my wife and I have about 30
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minutes of fluff time crucial that'll be
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all how you doing Rambo I'm Ericson why don't we make it over to the
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hanger you're the chosen one huh no that was Neil from The Matrix M
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so of course we have here Martin Co the extremely now famous actor because of
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the cober kai series and the Kate Kid series playing a pretty small role in this film and when so when this film did
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come out of course Karate Kid oh boy you know you think i' do research on a film dedicated to the ramble franchise or
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podcast dedicated to the ramble franchise but Martin Cole of course was famous for the Karate Kid and of course
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ramble First Blood Part Two so you had a busy couple years but do you know him from anything else off the top of your
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head ah damn I don't think I do to be honest I don't think so yeah I don't
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think so he is extremely popular now like I was on YouTube looking at Martin Cole videos just like interviews and
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what have you there were like 300,000 or 400,000 views for like random interviews with Martin Cole and he's got 1 Point
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like something million followers on Instagram and I think it's the Cobra Kai series that put him in the stratosphere I'd be interested to see what his
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numbers were like before that series came out yeah you've SE you've seen Cobra Kai I've just started watching it
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like I heard it's excellent I've heard good things too and I heard it's really good without being campy per se like
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I've heard it's actually just a good series you know what I mean like they right yeah yeah check out our next episode where we talk about Cobra Kai
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Cobra Kai you made a hell of a rep for yourself in enough anyway I'm glad to be working
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with you expect may not be heaven but at least you're out of the joint now I like how uh he's trying to
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make small talk with ramble he's saying you know hey you got a great reputation in N at least you're out of prison in I also love Erikson's outfit he's wearing
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of course sleeveless semi sort of army jacket but did he take the sleeves out and sold himself or do you think he took
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that jacket to get done have some respect respect for the whatever they are the Navy the Army the whatever yeah
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you got to have some respect for the uniform I agree he's again the little that I know being in the military I know these especially some time ago in the
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80s too like once you're kind of like out in the field like or deployed or whatever you can the standard sort of
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loosen up a little bit you know cuz they lived there for so long there for months at a time but I think this also just to shows just how cool and Casual he is I
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think is the idea too like look how cool yeah he's got the gun wait did you see the gun there holster to his chest oh no
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I didn't notice I don't know if that's easier to grab the gun up at your chest height tell you it's easy on the
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eyes looks good he's
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here morning John this is Marshall Murdoch he's in charge of Special Operations from
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Washington thank you Colonel Rambo been looking forward to meeting you how was your trip no problems not except for the
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damn heat right never felt anything like it come on in let's get down to business I was uh glancing over your
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files nice Coke placement there and I love how Rambo actually glances at the Coke machine that had to be intentional
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I mean you got to cool off somehow God bless the fine folks at Coca-Cola they're a sponsor of ours too aren't they oh is it time for our coke uh plug
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did you want to plug Coke yeah we got some big sponsors now we've G from like whouses or my podcast anyway
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so Coca-Cola Co said if they want to come on to the last the actions podcast Network they said that you would have to
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stop plugging the hor joints H well okay I'll think about it okay I love this character in the background here this
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guy here with the sunglasses classic he just screams douche though you could just tell like this guy is a dick oh
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yeah yeah I don't like that that fell not one day very interesting reading so here's where Marshall goes over Murdoch
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goes over his uh resume 647 Buie Arizona of Indian German descent now here's
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interesting so Rambo is part native American did you know that I did not Indian German descent he's from Arizona
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he's born in 47 Indian German okay that's a okay quite the combo now do you think it's East Indian or Native
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American that I can't speak for I don't know okay all right but I would assume Native American okay by the way he
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handles a knife he's from Boe Arizona which is very convenient that he plays with the Boe knife
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uh-huh hell of a combination now he says that's a hell of a combination I don't think we're allowed to say that anymore
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Indian and German any combination yeah like that's what me if someone comes in he says well I'm half Korean half Caucasian oh that's a hell of a
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combination half black half white well that's a hell of a combination how do that happened explain that one yeah I
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don't know join the Army 8664 accepted Special Forces specialization light weapons
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cross Trin as medic helicopter language qualified 59 confirmed kills two I love how he says he's specialized in light
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weapons there's no mention of heavy weapons which is very admirable considering that ramble handled that M60
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very well in the first film so the fact that he's not a specialist imagine how good he would have been with that gun had he been a specialist with heavy
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weapons he not a majored in light weapons kind of got his minor in heavy weapons cuz I think he handled it okay I
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think he handled it very well but he specializes in light weapons but he does fairly well with heavy ones too especially in part four 59 kills 59
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confirmed kills I how do they confirm that I wonder that was me I got that guy yeah did you have to write that down
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like that's mine says I'm about to I'm about to Triple that number wait till part four have you seen mcgruber I I know the
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premise in the yeah but it's such an underrated comedy but um I Heard yeah they found him in a monastery at the
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beginning and it's like a Rambo thing and they list out all of his accomplishments and it's ridiculous it's 45 purple hearts six seral stars the
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winner of two Congressional Medal of honors and the starting tied end for for the University of Texas El Paso that
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just always reminds me of the scene that's probably where they got it from absolutely absolutely uhhuh yeah this
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movie's been parody a few times four bronze purple hearts distinguished service cross the Medal of Honor you got
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a round didn't you this of course is just a show you this bureaucratic BS SL the lack of respect this guy's showing
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ramble oh you got around didn't you we get that it's played up but we should speak to it because that's how he is
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he's you got a guy in front of you here who's agreed to do the mission number one and number two that is a real strong
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resume you should you know you're working with the you should just say hey wow we really appreciate you being here this is resume speaks for himself and uh
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we know that you're going to give us your best or whatever kind of pep talk but he but he just says oh you've been
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around haven't you it's very glib yeah perhaps show a tiny bit more respect than than he's showing so he he didn't
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serve anywhere is that is that right he talks about it right here and I'm a little confused about his service but he does talk about it right here so I think
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he does have military service but civilian now and this often that happens like you'll do military work and then
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you become a contractor the civilian side of the the military I think he says
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right here his little work that he's done it's incredible Rambo you're probably aware that there's almost 2500
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Americans still missing an action in Southeast Asia now most of these boys are presumed killed but to the league of
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families Congress and lots of Americans it's still a very emotional issue give me something cold please Rambo you
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certainly don't know as much about me as I do you I hunched with a second Battalion third Marines in Kum in ' 66 I
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lost a lot of good men it goes I hunched and I don't know what that means I was too busy looking at the Coke product
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placement I couldn't I couldn't figure it out well he says I hunched with these so he because I lost a lot of good men
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so either he was a military member himself during this time or he also was
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in charge of them the way he is here right but he wasn't military so he still
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lost men so either way he's worked with the military yeah now I know this might be like another episode but doesn't he
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say b or whatever didn't even exist I mean basically he's lying like whenever Rambo's about to board the plane border
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alert yeah yeah so I know what you and every vet feels now maybe the government didn't care maybe certain segments of
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the population doesn't care my committee cares so what his committee needs so I
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think so I think he's part of some sort of committee civilian committee that handles the intelligence side of things
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cuz he says I know how you and the vets feel when you lose men and RAM was like uh no have you ever tried to put the
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guts of your committee inside of their inside of their stomach after the legs all over me bleeding everywhere come on
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he doesn't know how it feels so he's a bureaucrat basically but he did serve I'm I'm a little confused I think just
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like he is here I think he's just inserted into these missions so he's called the committee so what his committee needs trauma's about to say
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here that Americans are being held and once done rest assured we'll get our men back now if there's any of our men at
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this P Target camp you're to confirm their presence by taking photographs photographs just photographs under no
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circumstances are you to engage the enemy gee I wonder if that's a foreshadow yeah not much of a
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photographer engaging is kind of uh it's kind of what I do major did you not just read my resume did you see my last
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movie I didn't take a lot of photos in that hope Washington I wasn't there I wasn't sight scene not a one photo I
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took oh man I love how he's here to take photographs you would think the guy that
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flies the helicopter later in the film they could just thrown anybody in that cockp pick and taken photos as well like
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I love how I don't want to get ahead of the film but anyway yeah it really could be anybody I'm not sure if Rambo needs
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to be doing all this stuff later in the film he flies in parachutes to where he's supposed to go and he finds these
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prisoners and tries to rescue them the helicopter comes to pick him up like why couldn't that same helicopter travel that same amount of distance and just
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take pictures of the camp they know yeah they know where it is they gave him the map I how to do run their business but
45:58
come on I think the next few Rambo films after first Blood might have plot holes we should probably just prepare
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ourselves for that no no don't don't tell me this I'm supposed to leave him
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there I repeat do not engage the enemy The Phase 2 Delta Force assault team led
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by Colonel Troutman will handle the extraction okay so this is very telling so I love how they've called in Rambo to
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take pictures that's it great if these PS exist Colonel troutman's going to
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lead an extraction team a Delta Force extraction team I think chch North is part of that Delta Force team is he not
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I hope so now that's a sequel I'd want to see but would Rambo be part of that mission as well that's what I don't
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understand because he's actually been reinstated by the army so he's officially working for the Army I think as it I think he's back in I think he's
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getting his pension and everything he's told that he can take photos but he can't Engage The Enemy yeah colonel
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trowman in an alternate universe Colonel trowman is leading that'd be a fun movie in itself but it would be weird why they
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wouldn't hire Rambo was part of they should have said hey if you find the photographs then you with Troutman with
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other members will go get those guys and I think that would have made ramble happy like okay okay I'll take photos
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get the evidence I need then I'll come back with col trowman and we'll go get him I don't know why they that yeah
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that's a movie yeah I don't know yeah it's it's odd but I mean it's just I guess we know why just an excuse to get
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him there but uh they're castrating ramble is what they're doing they're basically saying it's like taking a dog and letting them smell the meat and you
47:25
have him on this leash and it's like you can look you could smell look at the meat but there's no way you're allowed to eat that meat you know for Rambo
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killing V the me people is that's all he wants to do yeah it's like it's just so easy I can do it let me
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okay I think he's lying anyway i' just like to say that I feel with your participation this Mission has a better
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than average chance to succeed where others will fail I'll meet you both in the operations center in 1
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[Music] hour I love how he says with your partic
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anticipation and we have a better than average CH this is John R yeah it's inspirational speeches like that that
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really keep me going major thank you so much right now I'm working with the recruits in the military like so I'm
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teaching basically basic training I'm doing basic training exercises with the recruits and stuff so what am I do with the recruits I might say with this next
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mission guys with you guys we might have a better than average chance of doing it I think it's a good way of inspiring the
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troops maybe maybe yeah that'll really fire him up and then I'll carry my own phone on me with the soundtrack with
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that do boom that would really yeah I love it oh yeah speaking of which I'm really
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happy they got Jerry gold smith again for the sequel that makes me happy that that's the same guy right yeah his score
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in the first one it reminded me of could like put my finger on what it reminded me of like an old mystery horror kind of
48:43
thing it was like a weird it's not a normal sounding score it sounded odd in some places odd in a good way yeah no
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you're right it's Unique and I don't know what that sound is you ever seen like North by Northwest Hitchcock movie
48:55
it kind of sounded like this like bu you know all these weird remind me of that for some reason uh send me an email at
49:00
Rambler podcast that is Rambler podcast gmail.com uh first let me know how amazing my show is and second let me
49:08
know what instruments are being played here CU I don't understand what that sound is it's an interesting oh send me a letter about it too yeah send send one
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to Jack [Music]
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too Thailand La into the mountains of VI okay so what we'll do is we'll stop the there that's a natural place to stop so
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ramble just looked in the map he's visually cited where he's going to go and Tran's going to talk to him more about the mission at hand that's coming
49:33
up what a fun intro to this film it sets that up pretty quickly they don't really waste any time really with this film
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yeah it's only like 90 minutes or something 90 something minutes well with the credits it's an hour 36 it's
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actually longer than First Blood damn yeah I was surprised how short First Blood was they get to it on first blood
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too I mean they just like boom let's go yeah yeah and they do that here as well I don't think any actually I don't think
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any of the rabble film almost really draw it out drag it out no not at all what do you think Jack how was your uh
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first time on the show and ramble First Blood Part Two are you are you excited to see how this journey ends with the
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other episodes oh Ryan I am so excited I'm assuming that he goes to Vietnam
50:12
everything goes well he finds love and comes back home he does find love don't spoil it okay that's just a hunch I had
50:19
and then like he takes the pictures and comes home right easy you know that necklace he
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wears from Co I love how he puts the necklace on and it's just like it's like so tight on his neck I just I don't well
50:31
yeah he's got that steroid neck I love this film take good time our laughter and our poking fun poking holes in the
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film is not a lack of how much I love this film first blud is a A+ film Amazing film it's a perfect film but
50:44
this film is just a different Beast the easiest way to describe it it sequels did this back then it was weird First
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Blood and First Blood Part two totally different films for whatever reason but both are good for different reasons
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teach T1 T2 same idea like T2 is an amazing film but it's nothing like the
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first one alien and aliens actually I have a theory here everything I just mentioned had James Cameron involved so
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maybe he's the one that does this I don't know maybe so he's the the constant in all this but yeah those two franchises termin I haven't seen alien
51:13
but Terminator and Rambo they're very similar first movie versus second movie
51:19
and maybe that's why they're so successful they do something completely different in each movie so Jack it was an absolute pleasure and honor having
51:25
you on the show kicking on off season 2 I hope to have you on again before the five films are over but before we go I
51:32
want you to of course plug your podcast and explain what your show's all about oh let me tell you something it's a it's a wonderful show where I have a couple
51:39
cocktails and I stumble into either my library or my closet and talk about a Bond movie for about four hours and then
51:46
after editing out all the stuff that doesn't make sense you get about 45 minutes 50 minutes of raning about a
51:52
Bond movie you do a great job really your humor is so much fun and I enjoy
51:57
your podcast I'm not even a James Bond I've seen all the James Bond films I think it's like one of those things for me where I've seen every James Bond film
52:04
I really need to go back and watch them again then relisten to your show because obviously makes some of the jokes or
52:09
references even more funny but I will just say I don't want to oversell you too much Jack but you make me laugh and
52:15
it's hard to make me laugh I don't I don't mean that as a uh I'm a hard laugh like I don't just laugh like a [ __ ] at
52:22
stuff you know so you you say some very good things and very funny things a disclaimer it's not PG-13 compared to
52:29
mine so just fair warning to more adult you I just want to make that disclaimer that if you listen to Jack's show it's
52:35
just don't go from Ryan's recommendation expecting the same uh PG-13 but it's fun it's but that could be a selling point
52:41
too right it's a lot of well that's it the episode is over and nothing is over
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nothing you just don't turn it [Music]
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I was that that's a pretty good Sly impression huh yeah Sly is that you just like
53:42
him can I can I interview you you now I mean to interview it's like you yeah it's like you had him on your
53:49
show all right brother thank you so much um thanks for joining me and thanks guys for joining us in the Discord we
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appreciate it okay appreciate it Ry yeah right Jo enjoy the rest of your day thanks everyone we'll talk to you later care man'