Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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then go alive so we're live guys were
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pretty much life somewhere at some point so right we're out there in the ether
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yes we are we're doing a simultaneous broadcast on YouTube and Facebook so we'll see how this goes
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God's other rules yeah how's everyone doing Craig Doug how you guys doing good
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good it always is awesome to sit here and chat with you guys and I know um you
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know last time we had a lot of fun but it feels like it's been a while so I'm glad to be back in the chair with you -
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I was gonna say that - it does feel like it's been a while since our last broadcast but it was just a month ago
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wasn't it it's about every four weeks that we do this yeah I wonder if
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anyone's getting sick of us yet probably based on the the turnout for the
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listener vote was this the most votes that we've ever had cast absolutely well
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yeah we had we had about 270 votes for the Facebook poll and we had about 60
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votes for Twitter so it's 320 people chimed in and I mean you're watching
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right now well whether they're watching or they're listening the edited version
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thank you and I gotta say I had no idea that it would be the Smackdown that it
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was it was like a bull Hurley type dominance of that over-the-top win I
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mean it's it was amazing it and it it really surprised me it surprised me too
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and it upset me a little bit let me just keep talking you guys about the poll I'm sorry grab my paperwork again I forgot
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it's one sec yeah I was gonna say was such a bad beating I can't even remember what movie was up against no goodness it
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was it was an even match in terms of quality I'm trying to think because we
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already did lockup so it wouldn't have been up against lockup it would it's so funny that we don't even know what was
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the question now was a movie that was quoted on it was cliffhanger but oh
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but it was like such a like a massacre I mean look and cliffhanger is held in
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such high regard with the fandom that really I I don't know if the cliffhanger
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people were just hibernating and they hadn't woken up from sprint for spring yet or think people really want to see
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this one okay so I have a theory I have a theory when when I put this out to you
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guys that we put okay let me just explain to our listeners we used to do three movies and I and Facebook doesn't
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allow you to vote for more than two movies like our two polls for whatever reason their algorithm only allows for
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two choices so you and I and all three of us talked about how we should just give the listeners two choices and they
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can vote on two choices and that's why a lot of more people voted with just two I find people find it easier to vote for
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two anyways so that being said we said we can't put a dumpster fire movie next
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to a good movie right now it's been so here's a bit of a spoiler alert it's been over 30 years since I've seen this
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movie I saw it when it first came out in 1987 I have not seen it since that's the true story I just never realized it I
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just have never seen it again now had I known what I know now I know why people
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wanted us to talk about over-the-top this movie is terrible I thought you
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were gonna call it a door it is it's okay so inadvertently put a garbage fire
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up against the good movie yes cliffhanger is not a dumpster fire it's one of his best action movies ever
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I mean it's an incredible great fun movie there's just nothing not bad about cliffhanger so I think people who voted
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for over-the-top they can't be serious okay guys do you like this film and if so are you saying it just to goad me or
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do you truly like this film this is probably the this Stallone film that
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I've seen most outside of Rocky what yeah I've seen this a lot over the years and I loved it as a kid and I'll tell
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you what if if I didn't like it beforehand and like most like most of
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the other Stallone movies that we've reviewed me seeing it either for the first time or for the first time since
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I saw it for the first time covering this I would have hated this because there is so much to pick apart about it
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but I loved every second of it when I was REME watching it I probably saw this honestly like six months ago like that
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recently I was doing it a lot over the years so on your own accord you said I'm putting this movie in yeah I like this
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movie man okay well I think one thing you can say Ryan is is a good bad movie
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yeah you know and it's not a bad bad movie it's a good bad movie it's it's well-made you know the you know I mean
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we'll get into that when we get into it and forgive me my my wife's about to take the dogs out so I think you say my
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wife's about to take a dump on Mike Holy Smoke yeah I mean I'm sure we'll get
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into what you like and what you don't like but I hadn't seen this since 2014 when we watched it for an early episode
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of the slide cast I was I was surprised at how early in the run it was I mean I
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watched it again and in in advance of this this broadcast and I don't think my feelings have really changed it's still
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a movie I like but I mean I wouldn't go out of my way to watch it again like Doug well you're gonna have to defend
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yourself and that's fine it's good to have different voices when it comes to this I'm gonna rip it apart because
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there are plenty to there's plenty of things to rip apart about this but you
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know all in all like I I like it it's a it's a campy movie for sure but it's
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just so stupid it's good is there something we need to sort of establish before we get into it cuz I listened
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back to our slide cast discussion mainly so I didn't contradict myself sure but
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also just to see what what where my head was at with that movie when we wat when
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I watched it five years ago and I wonder if in advance you guys wanted to sort of talk about when that movie was filmed
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and when it took place because a lot of the behavior in it is not acceptable in
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2019 or you know things wouldn't have been easy for Michael to do in 2019 so do we
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want to sort of address that as it's happening or just sort of as we go through the plot of the film go ahead
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and say this is ridiculous where applicable was first this doer specs of
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the film this film anyone remember how much the film cost to make what 22
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million or something and 12 of that went to sly yeah I that got 25 all for
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Wikipedia it said 25 million I think it was 20 I believe it is 20 25 million you're right so 25 million in today's
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money this was an easy easy one to convert cuz I like to do today's money because you here 25 million you think well that's it well it is still fairly
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inexpensive but you just double it from 87 to today it's just an easy double so
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if this movie was made today it would have caused a 50 million dollar movie and sly would been paid 24 million
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dollars to start on this film do you guys think that where Sly was in his
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career was part of what led to the poor performance of this movie because
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directly prior to this is the the prior theatrical release was Cobra which was a
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hard r-rated movie and then he turns around and he does this sort of family-friendly you know pro-wrestling
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version of armwrestling movie I'm sure that's something to do with it he did
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say right here that he was first offered this film by the canon film company and
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he turned it down and rightfully so he showed up but everyone has a price and I guess 24 million dollars in today's
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price is what he said fine I'll do it and it all said he did it because he didn't think anyone would see it okay
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the director wanted him because he was I think the producer well as mad a
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hammering goal who was you know from golan-globus yeah and no one did see it
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in the theaters that's the thing I wanted to get to that so Stallone was right at the time no one did see this it would have made today in today's box
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office thirty two million dollars that is horrible that's a horrible box office but see the
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other weird thing about this is you've got kenny loggins on the soundtrack which like that dude was like he owned
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soundtracks in the 1980s that was a pretty big song if I remember where I was in 1987 I mean it was a song you
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heard on the radio at least um meet me halfway yeah it's been in my head for two
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goddamn it anything I just think it's
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it's a it's more a result of where Stallone's fanbase was at the time than
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anything else right hey because I mean Cobra was a moderate success yeah
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actually no what did very well I remember we haven't covered copra yet on this podcast I really wish you were today it'll be what I do it'll be the
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third time I talk about Cobra well you also got to think of what it was going
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up against in the theaters to which I don't have right now but that also can play a part into why the monitor corley
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okay okay so this is here that Stallone
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was reportedly unhappy with the final film in an interview with Ain't It Cool News he said that if he had directed the
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film he would have changed the setting to an urban environment used scored music instead of rock songs and made the
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Las Vegas finale more ominous yeah it was I guess the the finale was too too
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much of a celebration I guess like too campy I use the word can't be again but
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I don't know what else what other word to use for it right you did you did you read that that uh the original
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screenwriter was brought to tears over how bad it was he was he was apparently
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appalled at the changes that that were made to his script that's hilarious well well the video is
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well deserved tears I got the it opened on President's Day weekend of 1987 so it
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they had an extra day of movie going for the box office so you want to know what
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else was in the the top five that week or that weekend
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what's that so number one in its ninth week of release platoon was number
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one and I assume that's got to be right around when platoon you know won the Oscar mm-hmm
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in second place was outrageous fortune heard was mannequin in its first week of
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release and then over the top in its first week of release took fourth place
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and it would go no higher than fourth placed in the second week of release it would be fourth third week of release it
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was an eighth and then in yank fourth week in released it was twelve and then
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it and then it disappeared from from theaters oh man all right so this goes
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my theory what's your theory was that it didn't do well because it was up against the monster mannequin was the mobster
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they had a sequel to mannequin I don't know mads they had a lot more
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over-the-top - well if you think about it mannequin probably shared an audience with over-the-top I mean if you're a
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family going to the movies that weekend you know platoon you're not gonna take your 12 year old - and even though my
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dad took us to it but you know if you're the family going out to the movies you're looking at
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mannequin which is what the the woman that the mannequin that becomes a real-life woman at night or the Stallone
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armwrestling movie I mean I mean yeah I'm not sure yeah it was - definitely is
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the true winner have that box-office both critically and for aging well over
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the years uh V a good Vietnam movie does not age so this is not an Oliver Stone
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film this is a this guy's name is Cameron Golan
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yeah and I'm Gollum a nice Jewish boy really you think so yeah it's a meta
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Hamm going film yeah sure why not he's actually got a lot of credits and I
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only know that because I did that research for the the sly cast right it wasn't his first rodeo as a director but
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not a whole lot was noteworthy he did ya know some noteworthy stuff but most of
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it was [ __ ] I never heard of well no he's nobody and he's dead now rest in peace my Jesus easy I'm sure
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we'll cover it when we go through our detailed and totally accurate plat plot
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summary sorry um but uh it's a what it's a well-made movie I mean you can tell
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the director is competent Ryan Ryan I
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just want to validate you a little bit here they received three nominations at
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the Razzies oh yeah we've we fry yes the longleaf redundant you never forget the right Stallone is a Razzie stalwart here
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but actually was David Mendenhall who uh little Mike well Mike Cutler who who
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took four we're Supporting Actor and worst new star one poor kid
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no on the poor kid okay oh man now Craig
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I know you're not a parent Doug and I are parents and this is not a slide a new crepe but just says I'm sure you can understand what I'm about to say here
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but if this was my kid and I hadn't seen him for ten years I would have let him run into the highway I would have put
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that I would have put that get a big rig and gear so you're right yeah I'm outta
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here this the whiny little ya know
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flighty always asked if he could ask a question before he did he called them sir enough for the sir oh my gosh okay
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so let's let's start off with the movie here so we got the opening sequence here is we have stolen looking pretty really
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really handsome really look you know looking really good-looking Sharps got a these is prime this is prime Stallone in
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terms of yeah you know is his abilities yeah a message and this is what I was
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going to say he looks fantastic in this film like truly very handsome looks
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really good and that was the first thought I had with myself was like what a waste of his prime to be in this piece
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of garbage film it could have been it's just and just give me another action film why not cuz these years do not last
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you know and 24 million dollars I guess I would have done this for twenty four
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million dollars let's be honest did you um did you like his his like shy
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meek kind of persona in this it was it was exhausting it that part I was like
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okay like be be assertive he was only like assertive in the arm wrestling ring when he went you know psycho eyes okay
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we got okay we are can we speak to
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something that's bothered me since even when we did this force like a stand we never really addressed it what the eff
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is his name it changes well they call his name
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Accord IMDB Wikipedia is Lincoln Hawk people have called them Hawks he called himself hawk well I guess you
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could say it's like a nickname you know he called so I'm the Hawks you know and I guess maybe that's how he got Michael
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back after he signed the contract he was like look at grandpa Cutler I signed Hawks and my name is Hogg take
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that to your secretary and link and I
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did look on Facebook to see if anyone else is any one else's name was Lincoln
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Hawk and this in the world or Christina Hawk has on-screen wife and yeah there is a Christina Hawk on Facebook so this
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is name enough that somebody is named Christina Hawk out there so it's a silly 80s name but I guess it does exist in
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the real world okay so let's go so Lincoln Hawk is
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driving this rig montage we get a montage which is like right off the bat yes is that a Stallone first like a
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montage well not counting the the montages that start Rocky movies right yeah yeah yeah that doesn't count as a
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montage no we have to drive in montage you have scenery here he's hauling some heavy machinery on his rig we've got the
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opening credit here David Mendenhall as Michael is like who's this David Mindell kitties you know he anytime you say as somebody in
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the movie either it's their first time film or it's a it's a big actor in a smaller role role and the senior shots
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to be gay at first I'm kind of like oh this is a really well shot like we talked about this is nice anima tog Rafi
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the music explained is kind of nice is like we got a we got a nice drama coming up here boys
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mm-hmm and that's as about as good as this film gets well this might be the
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earliest incidence of a gratuitous shirtless Stallone shot you know when
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he's at the truck stop washing himself up yeah just not does he not have any clothing that completely covers his body
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or I don't think so I don't think he owns any at least not in this not in
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this decade well where would he keep it to because it he lives in the truck right he does well like what we're led
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to believe we're led to believe that all he has is this truck and that literally the shirt on his back
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though we do see we should make note here we do see that interspersed of this
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montage is some sort of military school graduation going on so when you're off this for the first time and like I
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pretty much was I I don't remember this film at all and I will get to one scene where I think there was a Mandela effect and I'm I want to see if you guys are
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with me on this Mandela effects so that being said he was he still owns character Lincoln Hawk he's washing his
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rig he's taking good care of it and then we see this military school graduation day and we're I guess we're led to
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believe like it did take me longer to remember like obviously this is his kid but he's not at the graduation anything
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it's time to get there to why why is happening in this way like like okay so
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we already know later in the film that he uh he was told by his ex-wife okay I
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can't okay I'm jumping ploy because I can't do this I can't go by a plot by a plot point this is tell our listeners
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who haven't seen this film or it's been a long time his son is being graduated from this military school he hasn't seen
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him in 10 years raised grandfather the grandfather and the mother together and
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this big ritzy mansion he's a rich grandfather so he's taking care of his daughter and his grandson Michael but
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she's dying it's unclear of what she's dying if I thought she was trying to cancer but I guess it was a heart condition mm-hmm and so she told Lincoln
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by phone or over hey hey Lincoln my ex-husband do we know why he left the family is
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that ever yet reasons what were they selling drugs right no
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that's a grandpa told Michael so grandpa told lies grandpa said he sold drugs he
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was a violent man none of these things are true and that's why we see this really submissive and calm and quiet
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Lincoln Hawk but he doesn't even bother telling his son like the closest we get
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is at the grandfathered rural drove a wedge between his daughter and but who cares I'd be like screw you
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father-in-law I'm in love with this woman get out of my life why you driving a woman anyways how would you do have to
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feel like there had to be some reason for Robert loggia 'he's grandpa cutler
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to be the way he was and and if there isn't a reason you have to spell that
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out you know so you have to feel that that lincoln did something and much like
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in driven hours we're told what a disaster jo jo the Hummer was you know
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it's all just alluded to it almost feels like it's the same kind of character
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sketch here because i mean why else would Cutler why wouldn't Cutler want his grandson to
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be with his dad I don't know and I still don't know for all we know this guy's a
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predator of some sort like we don't know what's going on with I has an idea that maybe you know cuz Robert loggia comes
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from money and Lincoln Hawk is just a measly truck driver I think it's not
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what it is I think it's stupid 80s trope where he's a rich dad his rich
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privileged daughter fell in love with the you know the sleeveless you know
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muscle guy in the wrong side of the tracks that's it's Romeo and Juliet that's all it is I think it's as simple
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as that yeah it was alluded to in in our slide cast episode and I promise this is the
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third to last time I'll mention the slide cast episode oh sure just plug your show while you're at it
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plug the archives it was alluded to or
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we asked the question of was cutler mobbed up or was he a mobster and is
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that how he got his money because his operation seemed very mob like right I
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mean he had it he had a personal secretary and not a lawyer that dealt with Lincoln in the jail
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he was like you say yeah what's the yeah
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I'm Meghan yes thank you from the Godfather he's totally that's totally this fed up here it's a godfather
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situation yeah I think I think he did come into money in a legal way I don't think I don't think his business or so
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they probably the sanam on the farm law probably had different ideals you know he maybe he's trying to take his daughter away from his father her father
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you knows he'd get away from this life this guy's a criminal but what I don't understand is why it seems like the the
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mother still still loved Lincoln because they called each other honey on the phone yeah yeah when he goes to see R in
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the hospital he says I'm her husband not ex-husband and also what she's weird so we know
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later in the film too that Lincoln sent Michael letters for 10 years to correspond and so many old are while
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they were being in yeah like so he's throw in the trash no they were in and about them having no
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their mom mother's panty drawer remember but why mother hold on to him and not show them to Michael I that's what I
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don't understand is they were led to believe it was Cutler who didn't show Michael the letters from the son of all
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that he can't stand but spoil alert when the mother dies in the hospital Michael
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goes through his mother's room and finds the letters in her panty drawer and was
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it like a purse or something it was the mother still living with the grandfather it looked it appears that
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way especially I guess if she was sick at the end of her life she might have moved in with daddy to get taken care of
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at home for bid I don't know and did she have like did they say what kind of heart condition she had a broken heart
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well she died in surgery right yeah and died doctor was so aloof about that and all
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our age Doug but in 1987 that's unfortunate
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okay so we so Lincoln Hawk combs his hair the chrome of his wheel of the rig
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or whatever what was he combing his hair using as a mirror was it the rig itself I think or was it
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the mirror on the rig or something like that so he's combing his hair he's getting ready he shows up the graduation
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you know I wanted to make sure I remember this and I'm not a note-taker so but yeah I love how he pulls up with
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his truck there's nothing hitch to it and the guards like deliveries in rear what is it it's an it's it's a truck
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with no cargo yeah I work on a military base as you guys know and this is a military school but it looks like
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there's a lot of actual military there as well so they have a security guard at the gate I'm telling you right now
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there's no way in post-911 a lease that you would just say the guys just said
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yeah I'm just here to see my son he's got this big rig I just go park it anywhere and I love I always love how in
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movies there's always available parking right where they need to be oh right in front of the restaurant in New York City I can have he can actually have a rig
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and he can just Park it right there on the front steps of the graduation did
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you guys catch any the dialogue of the people in the background there's a few things in this movie that people said
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things in the background only are in the Robie was hilarious especially during the finals but uh yeah yeah so guys try
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to take the picture yes look at me don't
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don't look at him yeah so when the Lincoln Hawk first pulls in people are
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looking at him like he's an alien yeah like why why why do people like
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who's this guy why is this why is this man existing in my plane of existence like what he says what kind of shirt I
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yeah he wasn't dressed that poorly I mean he was wearing a denim shirt with the Italian suspenders but everybody was
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looking at him like like he was dressed like a bum yeah so someone actually said the ADR
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recording someone said who's he someone actually asked you can hear it an audible who's he
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if I was Lincoln Hawk and I heard some say look well who the hell are you what do you mean Who am I I'm me who are you
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what a weird like what world we live in that well have you guys ever gone out in public or been at any event even a
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wedding funeral graduation where you've looked at anybody and the crowd has said what the hell are they doing here who's
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yeah yeah I mean they really overplayed the you know guy that doesn't belong
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there thing when I don't think he deserved that he was just there seen his son and his graduation it makes no sense
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I guess they're trying to allude to the fact the only credit I'll give that sequence is they're saying that he
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showed up late the ceremony is over and people are already taking their photos with their loved ones and he but even
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then like who's here like oh I'm sorry just dropped off my extra jacket at the car because I was getting hot and I'm going back to the ceremony like I'd like
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who's tracking everybody the wonder who this guy is anyways my my favorite part of this was
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um when Michael asks when you know the curl calls Michael to his office right
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because he's you know telling him that Lincoln's gonna take him home his father so Michael asked for identification a
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wholesome a wedding picture yeah yeah no driver's license I'm a friggin wedding
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picture yeah so far again for a listening audience that Michael the kid is is summoned to look basically the
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military school principal's office and Stallone Lincoln Hawk is there waiting
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this kid has no idea who this man is there is so this is so awkward no maybe
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this is what Craig is talking about this would never fly today you have a complete stranger mail no less in saying
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I'm here to take this kid away mm-hmm and what and of course the kid is
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completely blind sight he doesn't know who this guy is well I'm your dad look look here's a picture of me your
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mom before I banged her you know and and and what I don't understand is like the kids like supposed to say well gee
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because an adult told me I guess I'm just gonna go onto truck with the sky and his rig and this
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there's no way this would fly today or shouldn't fly today and what I don't understand is why did the mother just give him a heads up saying hey after the
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graduation just so you know your father wants to reconnect with you Michael so when he shows up on announce and late
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but he'll look really dapper what make sure you go with him like be nice to him
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show him respect he's trying to make him man's I know you might be upset but he really wants to bond with you you know
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obviously the kid loves his mom but the mom did not prepare Michael at all for this meeting yeah he was completely
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blindsided and I like you said I don't think there was any reason for that why couldn't you set it up with the with the
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kid no you know knowing that he's gonna be going home with his estranged father yeah so the first part of their meeting
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the first initial hurdle is why the F are you here why the F are you driving
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me to Colorado to California there was just no the poor kids only 10 or 12 years 12 years old and yes
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how does he cope with a complete stranger Greg I don't know I would never
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put in that situation it's a 12 year old no I don't think any of us have I mean
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even Jesus well you know at 12 years old you you would kind of hold your red
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flags beep thrown up right wouldn't it be creepy to you guys oh yeah yeah so
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this kid gets into the rig with with his dad they haven't seen each other 10 years of course he would only been 2
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years old when dad leaves yeah but even where it's Ryan not to cut you off oh yeah we know that the kids been told
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stories I mean we don't know it now but as viewers dissecting the movie we know
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that the kids been told that his dad's like a drug dealer and a loser and a washout you know which would make him
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even or should make him even more skeptical of going anywhere with them
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yes so the kid gets into Riggle the same he's still wearing his military uniform which will come into play later he's
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anyways and so Stallone is trying to make conversation
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with the son trying to catch up with them you know talk to him and the kid says no need to make conversation for my
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sake with the kid doesn't stop talking mm-hmm he said I mean he says things like you know
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he calls this truck disgusting you think you can make up for 10 years in two days
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you know like like these little military brat statements he's made make me want
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to punch him I never wanted to punch a twelve-year-old like that before but here we are yeah I really wanted to I he
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cries so much in this film I surprised they didn't say I'll give you something to cry about rock is one thing and and
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but I I mean you gotta at least excuse the fact that he didn't have the right
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to give his dad a hard time about disappear for 10 years yes that's fine
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that's totally haha that's fine the kid was upset that his dad had a band in the family for 10 years but we as a viewer
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don't know why and so I I as a viewer I cannot sympathize with the stars' alone
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because I am a father I can't imagine abandoning him any of my
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kids for any amount of time at least without an explanation I would be right away like hey kid here's the situation
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10 years ago your grandfather who's a mobster tried to kill me and I had to leave because if
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he said that I didn't leave he was gonna kill me or something something would make sense of why after all these years
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and then in Salonika said I say your letters did you get my letters I know
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you never you never respond to me I should be mad at you you never once wrote back but he does sits there like a
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punching bag it does not it does not explain to this twelve-year-old hey I'm
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trying to rebuild a relationship with you and the reason why has taken 10 years is because of dot dot Louise a viewer at least I was I kept waiting and
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waiting and waiting for the reason why this happened and you got it it's not
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it's not an inappropriate it's not an appropriate for the kid to ask him where have you been for 10 years
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or why did you leave us and then Lincoln's excuses well first he
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said I had my reasons and then he you know he just said I made mistakes you know I wish I could take it back stuff
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that but again like Ryan said we never got the reasons yeah mistakes or mistake
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he made a mistake or mistakes I can't was mistakes I'm not sure but I mean
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either way like I do think the kid deserves some kind of explanation give him something not I had reasons
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yeah and in fact the kid actually calls him Alice is that's not really an answer so what kind of what was he writing in
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all these letters he wrote to Michael because we see that he was writing you know one or two page letters here so
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wouldn't he be wouldn't even like well might you know don't you remember that
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letter I wrote to you in March of 1984 where I explained you know like what's
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the content of these letters and birthday cards because it seemed like a substantial pile that were hidden away
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in that panty drawer yeah yeah it could have easily said like I don't know what
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he would've wrote oh you I was at the truck stop and I got an extra piece of pie do you like pie my favorite pies
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apple pie what's your favorite pie I don't know I don't know what good already beaten over the road truck
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driver to is a is a hard life for your you know you're on the road for months at a time but it's still like he I don't
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know if you can use that as a reason why you disappeared ten years ago and never show back up again because even over the
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road truck drivers gets time off don't they so he's gonna be back home yes I
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here's the thing whatever he did it wasn't enough and painful enough for the
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mother to not allow him to come back and do hit her life when she was dying and she wanted Lincoln to raise Michael
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so whatever this thing was ten years later Christina is saying Lincoln I want
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you to raise our son I'm dying that's basically what's question dying I
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mean we know but she was sick but realistically she was supposed to make
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it through that hard surgery and then would she have been better I think what
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that I I don't know look she died she must have read the script
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[Laughter] if she did get better does she get back
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together with Lincoln and then they raise Michael together I mean she had a know she was gonna die on the operating table like she later know that she
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looked terrible she looked like she had look like she had cancer and a heart attack at the same time I don't know she
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the girl Stallone two times previously as well well yeah I believe it was Lords
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of Flatbush and Capone which had a small
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role in you know so we got a couple of comments here's want to make sure we say hi to our listeners so Brent Kenny
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thanks for coming in he just poked a little fun at the for the the exercise
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equipment the rig we'll get to that and then one of her podcast friends I must break this podcast check him out I
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believe his name is Sean right yes yeah he says Sean says I'll admit I have a
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slight soft Bach for this film the relationship between Sly and the Sun feels genuine don't you think so what's
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your comments on that yeah well Sean lives in Colorado as well so you've got two people on the on the
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on right now that are in locations or in states where this movie took place so uh
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I'm with you Sean I have a soft spot for this film myself all right you're the I don't see it as
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far as the the the feeling of the father and son relationship it it's a little
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force in a respect where how quickly Michael turns but I do feel like once
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once the turn does happen I feel like it does feel genuine it feels like a true father and son relationship and I think
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that's a big result of Stallone's abilities as an actor and we saw this in
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in Rocky 5 as well Stallone was really able to tap into whatever place he had
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inside of him you know that father that father place and I guess being a father himself all of his relationships with
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with with his kids in though in those movie in in any movie that he's made has seemed very
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genuine and I think you know we talk about all the credit that Stallone doesn't get I don't think he gets credit
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for the sensitivity he exhibits when he is able when he's acting around kids and
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also how genuine those moments are I do think that this kid was a really really
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poorly written character and I know last month we beat up on on Stallone for his shitty dialogue but again this kid does
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not talk like a 12 year old even if he was in military swimmer I think that's what we're led to believe is that
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military school really shaped him out to be some intelligent young boy and of
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course Lincoln Hawks like whoa whoa look at this guy he's like hi vocabulary highfalutin in the weird way and so
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we're Lincoln wants his son to kind of mellow out a little bit though that's the yin and yang of this relationship
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right so um forget the stop yeah well
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before we get the truck stopped this is like their Anglia the Bruce a that they're gonna haul oh yeah yeah okay
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that's right so the okay before we get to the truck stop the son says I hate you so and then someplace yeah Lincoln
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says we have to start someplace and this this is when the kid says I'm getting sick can you stop the rig I want to get
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up is that where this happens yeah so the kid jumps out runs across the
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highway and Lincoln chases after him and now if you're by standard it looks like this guy is kidnapping yeah to any
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passerby this is a child abduction this is Amber Alert [ __ ] right here yeah a
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truck and a neighbor alert Doug red
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piece of garbage on the road can you imagine you're behind this rig a kid
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jumps out some burly truckers chasing this little boy they're like huh it's
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probably the dad even still even if it
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is a dad most Amber Alerts actually are by the kids parent that's right and Doug
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you're a cop right yeah you have to say that every time well I just want to make sure because there's a cop question I have for later
40:07
in the film you will get mm-hmm okay so construction of property just wait just
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wait we're getting it that's why they remind me that's my Mandela effect
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question okay so where were we so the
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kid gets the kid runs away Lincoln captures Network captures and captures a the way he holds him it's
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like try select cardinal MC there there there I know you're scared that holds this kid that he hasn't seen in 10 years
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like I have at all actually I have a 12 year old son I've never held my kid by the way the way the way Stallone holds
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this 12 year old I you know it's really awkward for 12 year old to kind of be held that way I think so the sleeve as
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well yes do the same right off so the slate gets ripped off but the kid insists on wearing this uniform jacket
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even with the sleeve ripped off like just take it off well is anything's like you'll be getting the bill for it like
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was the kid ever gonna wear that jacket again he graduated he shouldn't be it goes in the closet and and sits there
41:08
until you decide to get rid of it right right but let's just say if we don't
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don't don't remember they rip off on purpose the other sleeve you know as a
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as a bond later in the film yup that's right okay so they go to the truck stop so now
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they get back in the rig there's a little bit of more peace in the rig they're hungry let's go have something to eat the truck stop course it's just a
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dive of a truck stop right mm-hmm yeah butter and jam pet yeah it's busy
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the busiest truck stop in America I'm
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awake at the moment where the kid gives him a hard time about the meal he orders like you know the steak and the what the
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mashed potatoes or whatever and he says you know he says it's you know over a thousand calories or reddit whatever and
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you know right I kind of dug that and and and it speaks to like that whole
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idea that you know we always see Stallone loves to reference eating junk or garbage but he's in like oh yeah
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shaped and 99.9 or the population yeah the kid was
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probably ordering what stolen eat that day he's the cutting it cutting his pizza
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with scissors and Cobra like he it's the law never eats pizza I think the kids
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got a pretty good zinger here when when a Lincoln asked him how do you like the place and he goes I never did like the zoo yeah well we forgot to mention
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Stallone had a hand in the screenplay that's true the zoo reference wild
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retards like the zoo so okay I've just
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quoted a rocky field before I get these social justice warriors on earth yeah I'm just quoting the Rocky movie ok
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the views of Ryan were balkan or a fizzle own and do not reflect the view
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all right so they're having they're eating their food or whatever and then
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this WWE wrestler comes out of nowhere with this huge arms huge hair and he
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just comes up to us says are you Lincoln I'm the Smasher the Smasher and who okay
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that's a wrap Ryan oh maybe it is something that happens down here and in
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in the States well where I come from when you smash people it's a different terminology the
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kids lingo these days hey you smash something this weekend yeah so and so a
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key challenge is Lincoln to a what we don't know what this way your watch this movie you don't know there's gonna be
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armwrestling you might just think at this point I might be a fight something's going down he challenges them and he tells his kid like III got a
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I got a go to work I got a Gurkha and he puts on his hat
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but before the Hat earns it he won't he walks away with his hat on but then as
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he's like there they make this you know they part the Red Sea for Lincoln there's a crowd on the right and a crowd
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on the left and he's walking down the middle of the aisle with these crazy eyes may have agree well that was shot
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so well yes I know exactly the party time oh yes yeah it's so now we see for
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whatever reason the Beast comes out of Lincoln when it's time to arm wrestle mm-hmm okay there's one reason why this
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movie stresses me out and I the one reason why I actually have maybe out one of the main reasons why I don't like it I have zero interest in fact arm
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wrestling itself stresses me out every time I see these guys arm wrestle I am
45:07
nervous and kind of like I'm one of those guys I'd like to watch bones break in the middle I don't like to watch
45:13
stuff so the whole idea they're just they're just they're just twerking their arms like that and this the amount of
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like unnecessary exertion yes on their
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arm and always the same usually it's always the same arm I know some wrestling champions they have like you
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have to do you're off arm or whatever but if you're both right-handed you fight a right-handed person but the point I anyway it's the whole idea of
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the arm wrestle and what it means and it's not a measure at all of toughness it's not a measure to evolve anything
45:44
it's actually only a few muscles that are in that and within this arm-wrestle competitions we'll get to it I guess
45:49
it's just a whole nothing it doesn't see there's any real rules other than you start square your get to hold something
45:57
on your left like but then they use an older body is that allowed or you thought it like go down like this like
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you know what I go like I don't anyways I think as long as you don't let go yeah
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you can't you can't lift your elbow off the table and there was another like you
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can't you can't use your hand to hold the table like they got that grip there for a hold but you can like grab the
46:24
bottom of the table or anything like that okay anyways the whole idea of armwrestling is just so unappealing to
46:31
me yeah I agree that I think I think that's a I'm you know I'm really positive I guess
46:37
positive note I had forgotten how much as little actually happens until the last half-hour the movie the first out of the movie there's one armwrestling
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match really with Lincoln does one with smasher the kid does one with another kid at the arcade other than that does a
46:49
little with the kid right okay we're gonna get to that double elimination on the final I know
46:55
half hour the movie but knee right oh you want to talk about this at this same
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moment we have bull Hurley for some reason decides to show up at the drug stop that's right a completely different
47:07
state from where he lives and works right mm-hmm - uh he's a trucker - he's a truck or -
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yeah I thought he wears that Las Vegas yeah but he may be that in real life or
47:21
something but within the movie he's a she had the aclu's captions on and does say that he's also a trucker well he
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says that he's uh he drives a truck which I thought meant oh yeah yeah
47:33
because he likes to do three things yeah one of them wrestling one of them yeah braking array carbs yeah break arms
47:39
drives a truck hug break arms and arm wrestle but like the kid is like playing
47:46
with that little squeeze all that his dad left behind in like this is another
47:52
you know 2019 moment you don't touch somebody else's kid like that like yeah
47:57
that is like creeping up behind the kid and like grabs his hand around the kid's hand yeah shades on yeah so actually one
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of her listeners here Mike Bell Verity he actually asked does anyone know what Hawke is squeezing at the table I guess
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the same thing that he left at the table for the kids so it was it a ball or something or it was just like one of those stress balls or something yeah
48:19
it's what I kind of thought is that another crossover from Rocky he's little
48:25
Baldy flips around I don't know I think
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you're giving it too much credit I pull out a mat here with the universe crossover yeah yeah Matt suggests you
48:38
know Matt's me not chiming in on her on YouTube and he just said that there that
48:43
the original or some the original script was darker that there was a darker moments that Cutler indeed was a
48:49
maude man that he was a killer and so maybe maybe there was the true that darker version that didn't happen that's
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what the screenwriter was upset about why is bull so sweaty
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everyone is though but he's like this guy he's worn like a gray shirt when he
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goes to molest Michael Cutler and like the the top half of his shirt is is
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sweaty it's all wet and as my I'll say
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haven't I sweat like that if it's hot enough I sweat like that too so I can't take anything away from the guy but goddamn looks like you get a little
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glistening right now there Doug okay anyway it's warm in here these lights I
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think you have to take off your shirt I think I get some more lady viewers if you were we're almost in the tanktop
49:40
season boys there you go all right so the truck stop happens they have the arm
49:46
wrestle Smasher the Smasher when the first round or did did Lincoln what when
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both I don't think there was a - no there's nation that was just warned now
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the kid called him a hustler after he won why would he be a hustler if he just won the match he didn't even initiate it
50:08
either he was sitting there minding his own business right that's a weird you're a hustler
50:13
what do you say here yeah was was Lincoln expected to put money up as well
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I don't know and we're actually going to get into that with the the final the
50:25
final fight you know much okay okay let's just I'm done with the plot we're
50:31
gonna go over the place here again cuz I can't see Scott to me I want is these come to me I want to talk I was so the
50:36
final half-hour is the tournament the armwrestling tournament we just first
50:41
talked about the crowd and how insane and stupid they are is there any kind of crowd in any event you've ever seen
50:47
where it's just non-stop cheering and fanaticism like they were just like this is watching people twist
50:54
each other's arms is like the greatest thing in the world it's like the blood sport it's the same audience from the blood sport
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yeah yeah you were there to see some snapped arms guys yeah did you see that
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yeah the German the German guy broke his arm now if it wasn't real I don't think uh it was real but there is no freaking
51:18
way you can fake that oh the bone like you did you I don't know if it was it
51:23
wasn't one of the finalists it was just some guy it said I also said our German friend is injured oh let's say that yeah
51:31
he was wearing like he was wearing a black tank top and he had a mullet and you could see every could see him you
51:38
could see his arm dislocate so this is another thing we absolutely we asked that the during the slightest recording
51:45
so do we think this was actually filmed at the national arm wrestling finals or
51:52
was it staged for the movie all of it was filmed at a real armwrestling
51:57
tournament okay it was they invented a tournament to promote this movie and most of the
52:04
footage was filmed at the tournament except the Stallone stuff which was filmed like the next day no really and
52:11
was it you know at the Hilton there here in Vegas or wherever they they were holding a tournament what which I think
52:19
it was there in Vegas yeah so right there ET by the way so whenever
52:24
I watch was here from Oz Ali said what was the deal with the swap the cap or
52:29
what did have to do with the arm his strength of his arms anyone want to comment on the switching at the hat and how it affected his strength well it was
52:36
like a personality switch right it was like it was like when Batman puts his cowl on it was just a way for him to get
52:44
into into into character and that was how he did it yeah exactly it's it's
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ridiculous hey right right right I'm putting a
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video in the feed these watch it what feed in on Facebook oh there it is okay
53:05
okay it's it before I watch it before I watch it
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I did I know exactly what the part you're talking about and I'm just I guess when I wash stabbed was like this
53:18
is exactly what I'm talking about I almost don't want to watch you because I thought that's what I saw but I kept going yeah dude it's like it's like a
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quick six or seven second clip but it's oh yeah you know he does you're right you're right he did he dislocated his
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elbow oh oh he did dislocated elbow they kept in the film yeah crazy you see that
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I can't open it up on my phone unfortunately okay watch it out it's in
53:43
our chat on Facebook and I'll thin it right to you and on the messenger right
53:49
he did ring that is like hardcore that's like the most hardcore thing that's
53:55
gross yeah they're organi well that's what I'm getting at that's exactly what is it when an unstoppable force meets an
54:02
immovable object one of those things they're putting so much exertion on their joints right that something's
54:07
gotta break one person gave that video a thumb down no the guy that gave it the
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thumb down actually was the guy who had his arm snap but his arm book upside down like it wasn't capable put this
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table up that is so terrible yeah that's
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bad but that's the that's the moment that you're worried about would you think about Iceland right this is so
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that which I feared happened but I blocked it out when I saw it I actually saw it happen when it happened but I
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didn't go back to investigate as like if you really break his arm but he did but
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you didn't want to see it again no buddy thank you thanks to you and thank you for posting their feed yeah so we do
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here alright so mum dies they go to the hospital well guys we missed the whole kid arm
55:19
wrestling which is oh my bad you know probably the worst moment is a father in the history of worst moments of father
55:25
yeah pimping out your son yeah can you explain his his reasoning for this like
55:31
he's net he hasn't seen his boy again I have a twelve-year-old son right now I would never put my son's position of
55:37
like beat this kid in our arm-wrestle I know you can do it you just got to do it you just gotta like bully oh and this is
55:44
where I'll insert for iTunes listener this is where we have another little rocky speech that goes on wait yeah long yeah way too long well first so he bets
55:58
this kid two out of three right that Mike can beat him in two out of three matches so the bully wins the first
56:05
match sounds yeah decisively so the so Michael runs out crying you know because
56:12
he his father embarrassed him so he chases after and he gives them this rocky you know driven inspirational
56:19
speech about you know you lost back there because you let yourself get beat the world meets nobody halfway if you
56:27
want if you want it you gotta take it if you move so what you lose with dignity it was just like you said Ryan
56:34
it goes on for so long with it was a long speech just I guess dad get on with it yeah like I I don't know he was
56:41
trying to drive home too many points at once if you don't go back there you'll
56:46
regret it your whole life I don't know I think if he walks away he could probably put this little incident behind him this was just the second day
56:56
together or their first day together at this armwrestling this was their second day because remember after the truck
57:02
stopped they pulled over on the side of the road and went to sleep okay ladies talk about okay let's talk
57:08
about that sequence because they haven't seen each other in 10 years this kid hasn't seen this man in 10 years the he
57:15
doesn't know this guy from Adam really and you've got Lincoln the father stolons character telling his kid if
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your head hurts a night just come over here and lay your head on my shoulder or
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my chest you basically snuggle with me at night mmm-hmm no I look again I have a 12 year
57:35
old son if my tall girl son touches me with his I'm gonna get the what get away from me or not don't you dare touch me
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I don't want any kind of contact with any of my kids about the age of four at night time with you do you also think it
57:49
was weird that like the kid didn't have an issue with not being able to like get ready for bed like brushes teeth a lot
57:56
about that no person to use no urine I gotta pee right before I go to bed where do they go pee trace you like they pull
58:04
over he's like you know I think it's ready to I think it's it's time to take a break or whatever and you know like a
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minute earlier the kid wasn't thinking about going to sleep for the night and
58:16
then a minute later they're going to bed but he does that whole you know use my
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my shoulder as a pillow thing but then the next morning when they show him it Lincoln that's laying on the kid I know
58:28
I know maybe I don't love my kids enough because I am not using my kid as a
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pillow either like this is just ridiculous this is just how is that okay it was highly inappropriate
58:41
today's Neverland documentaries this should not have happened are you we mentioned dental hygiene so
58:48
you got your your to get but then okay
58:58
the next morning but before the the kid arm wrestles we have the workout montage
59:04
to meet me halfway we're doing it there's little bicep curls off the
59:09
bumper of the truck it's basically Stallone has to have some sort of
59:14
exercise montage you know it's just insane to me like again like this kid
59:21
does ten push-ups and I he beat a beat a kid twice the size and an arm wrestle so he had already used the the the rigs
59:30
weight machine to then at this point mm-hmm prior to arm wrestling the kid
59:37
right yeah does anyone want to talk about what he what contraption Lincoln had in his rig there well it can't have
59:43
that much weight on it right cuz Lincoln's using it he's not fit or whatever and then he says yes his kid to
59:50
give it a try and they don't show them adjusting any weight on it and then the kids pumping it to with no I mean it doesn't take any
59:57
effort for the game here it's just a handle tied to a rope on a pulley with a
1:00:04
weight stack in between the seats so he just hammered motion that the kid was
1:00:11
able to do as well yeah now it you wouldn't think it's that heavy if the kid can do it it had to be what five
1:00:17
pounds to be able to do it looked like there was a couple of small weights on
1:00:23
that I mean one of this string but it I don't know it doesn't seem like it's
1:00:28
equipped to make Lincoln and armwrestling Beast oh I wouldn't think
1:00:34
so that was purely for definition I also serious cut from that because he's just
1:00:40
sitting there all day putting his muscle behind it I guess I guess he only does the one arm too like you can't do the
1:00:46
left arm no but I'm also like for you know I I'm
1:00:52
a weightlifter myself and if you're trying to ice isolate a muscle you're not he's telling the kid to like put his
1:00:58
whole body again that goes against every weightlifting principle out there if you want isolate a muscle you work that
1:01:05
muscle it's arm wrestling training though which the idea that there's barely any weight on is absurd because
1:01:11
it's what's he what's he developing there yeah a sense of pride that hope
1:01:16
yeah I don't even think he's getting that out of it so Jason Haynes chimed in on her YouTube
1:01:22
chat he just said the stress balls weren't invented until 1988 so that
1:01:27
sounds like made up well he's your he's your buddy yeah and the curve and uh you know you
1:01:36
know you know a lot of times before things go to market celebrities you know have the money or the means to get
1:01:42
introduced to it yeah so the kid asked him are you gonna get violent at one
1:01:47
point remember that mm-hmm I guess I just lose back to the lies that the grandfather told so okay let's
1:01:54
go back to the arm rested with the kids so the kid loses the first round with the complete stranger kid at the arcade
1:01:59
and the Lincoln says to him over the top you
1:02:05
there's our first kind of reference of over the top does anyone want to explain to our listeners what over-the-top looks
1:02:12
like when you're armwrestling well it does it's the crest of the wave like you
1:02:19
go like your arm wrestling and arc and once you cross the the crest of that arc then I guess you have the advantage like
1:02:26
it's involved moving your your fingers yes oh the thumb is that what that was
1:02:33
yes he's read okay Doug you okay whoa okay Doug Doug stop okay I love you but
1:02:41
you're like a lovable idiot yes because you yourself it just saw you seen this
1:02:47
movie at who knows how many times I could have told you 24 hours ago before I saw this movie again that over-the-top
1:02:53
mate adjusting the hands the fingers over that wrist to come over the top never put that together ever you might
1:03:02
have to hand in your over the top cards would you [ __ ] what you should do proudly I don't heaven over the top card
1:03:08
yeah so anyways that's why they always showed it that's what it was the idea that the placing the hands at a key
1:03:14
moment gave you that extra advantage yeah I hate this movie now even more
1:03:24
absurd is so Stallone lincoln refers to that as the over the top but then at the
1:03:31
effing tournament the finals are considered going over the top mm-hmm so
1:03:37
what came first a hand move was the hand move Nick named after the the greatest event in arm wrestle which is called
1:03:42
over the top it doesn't matter well I guess saying calling the finals over the top makes sense with the way Doug
1:03:50
explained it yeah so the sort of mean he took the nickname or took the the part
1:03:56
of the armwrestling tournament into his own move and dissing aimed it over the top as well I thought that move was like
1:04:02
like a little little known secret that only he knows about because he's the only one we see do it it's really not
1:04:09
fair that he wins spoilered the whole championship because not only does he have the power with bull doesn't twice
1:04:16
yeah buddy but he saris it again Craig doesn't ooze twice double-elimination
1:04:25
Lincoln loses in the semi-finals when there's what four guys left mm-hmm
1:04:30
you know and he's able to arm wrestle again but bull loses and it's a double
1:04:35
elimination I mean what about the final match maybe that's not a double elimination maybe everything up to the
1:04:41
final it wasn't it was never stated that way the whole tournament and and they took it upon themselves to let us know a
1:04:49
hundred times that is no elimination why did he keep stain that it drove all
1:04:55
remember dummies it's the elimination and it's ridiculous to because it was like Stallone wanted to have his cake
1:05:01
and eat it too like he needed to get that story beaten where he loses and
1:05:07
he's able to come back from it and instead of finding a creative way you
1:05:13
know to do that he was just like oh well make it a double elimination and I'll lose in the in the when there's four
1:05:19
guys left it makes him look ridiculous and it's the guy that drinks a motor oil
1:05:25
okay and then takes it Malka seltzer what's with the Alka stuff you know the
1:05:31
Alka Seltzer product placement the black guy the only black arm wrestler in the world apparently he he was wearing the
1:05:38
Alka Seltzer shirt there was no much product placement what else is you can oh yeah brute yeah the
1:05:45
brute there was at the tournament there was Fujitsu Pepsi and door sell stands
1:05:51
there was hope there was one of the before the tournament shows leek and
1:05:56
Hulk working out on a Soloflex machine and then during the tournament there's a guy in the audience we're in a Soloflex shirt I would the alka-seltzer shirt he
1:06:06
was the poorest sport in the whole movie that acai yeah I know Reed light I wrote down but he was in
1:06:13
his interview his talking head he seemed so cool and then he was like he became a total Punk after like I wasn't ready and
1:06:20
you know he's like trash talking and then he gets beat and like he he goes to grab Lincoln's arm again like he wants
1:06:26
to arm wrestle again I guess he had already lost once I know I hate to say this but they made
1:06:31
the the one character who's black in the armor satyr but they made him the biggest loser they gave him the shortest
1:06:37
talking promo they actually interrupted it and it was
1:06:43
seriously it's like you know he didn't quite finish his Pro Bowl they interrupted like this I don't know it
1:06:50
was a it didn't age well they get as a 2019 viewer like oh this guy really got
1:06:55
the shorten of the straw in this film like they made him the sorest loser and everything well and to be fair every sore loser has every color of skin but
1:07:01
they should have probably had a maybe somebody else lose I think consistency there because like in the talkin like in
1:07:09
his interview segment he at least seemed like he was kind of like a super positive competitive guy you know he's
1:07:16
talking about his arm being a what a like a spark custom you know it's just
1:07:21
it seems so out of character yeah so the mom dies yeah I guess we should get back
1:07:27
to the Lincoln Michael Cutler storyline huh so they go to the hospital to visit the mom which is weird because colors
1:07:34
looking he's got his henchmen and himself he's looking for the kid and you would think they would just have excuse
1:07:41
me a stakeout at the hospital because this is exactly where they went Lincoln to the kid go to visit the mom at the hospital but gets abducted after
1:07:48
he arm wrestles the bully it's great that's like in cases chases him down in
1:07:54
his rig yeah can we explain how he can do that and smash into other vehicles
1:08:01
and just keep driving is this like and you hear the police sirens in the background but they have no idea where
1:08:06
you hear the siren them but no cops show up like the cops are just inept in this
1:08:11
film okay well here's a cool here's a
1:08:18
question so the mom dies are at the hospital and the doctor says I'm sorry your wife died mm-hmm did you catch that
1:08:24
like totally like she doesn't surgery
1:08:29
surprised if there was some gross malpractice going on here maybe my old
1:08:36
man River yeah I mean like that guy shows no compassion like no sorry but it
1:08:42
almost seems like a technical he's like oh [ __ ] let's make sure we dot all our eyes and cross all our T's so
1:08:48
you know we don't get sued the craziest thing happened your wife came in for heart surgery we took out her harb we
1:08:53
forgot to put it back in crazy crazy so the mums dead there at the the kid
1:08:59
takes off crying again this is like his fifth time to have a crying fit well again there at least I understand it cuz
1:09:06
he blames he blames his dad for driving
1:09:11
there instead of I guess you know or making all the stops they made and he blames his dad for not being able to see
1:09:16
his mom before she died that's ridiculous I would have said hey if I didn't take you away from the kidnappers that your grandfather sent on you you
1:09:23
would be their grandfather when your mother died have you ever heard of the concept Brian of like de-escalating
1:09:29
during it are we yes the escalation uh I
1:09:40
take an angry kid you make him even angrier you know your Grandpa's an anal
1:09:52
sea again I said that's a good point that you know yeah if he was kidnapped
1:09:58
he wouldn't have been in so so now the
1:10:04
kid is with the dad I swear the grandfather at the grandfather's estate well they can hold a funeral first oh
1:10:10
that's right we glossed over another thing that wouldn't happen 2019 but
1:10:16
erekle kid hails a taxicab jumps in with a man running after him telling him to
1:10:22
stop mm-hmm and the cab drivers just like well I got a fare yeah exactly you
1:10:28
know this kid oh yeah okay we also forgot to mention that the kid got to drive the truck down the highway yeah he
1:10:36
got a two-minute driving lesson which will pay off at the end of the movie well in that's the thing so he's driving
1:10:41
a rig he's never at least twelve he can barely reach the gas and pedal in the clutch and he's actually driving by
1:10:47
traffic traffic is actually coming in in the opposing direction can you imagine some unassuming family has no idea that
1:10:54
this rig has been driven by a 12 year old yeah but also Lincoln does that to sort
1:11:00
of make his son feel stupid because his sons Basin and you don't have any books here I you know most people you know are
1:11:08
stunted between the 11 and 13 year old range and a truck drivers got to be even lower than that so Lincoln in in you
1:11:15
know in another father-of-the-year moments like pulls over and he's like well let's see you drive and it almost
1:11:21
seems like it was another moment where he was trying to prove to the kid that driving a truck is difficult and Michael
1:11:27
nails it so total failure in terms of teaching your kid a lesson yeah it was
1:11:33
kind of a bit of egg on the father's face like all this kids a fast learner and everything I guess he's a nerd in need isn't the the learning had a drive
1:11:41
thing a classic movie trope anyway yes so the kids driving a rig the mom dies
1:11:48
the mom the kids living with the the grandfather back at the mansion and now Lincoln comes to the gate saying
1:11:56
I'm here to see what's his name again Coltrane Cutler lo Joe gate was the
1:12:03
guard guy at the gate yes are you guys big lebowski fans I've seen the movie
1:12:10
once or twice but not I don't memorize every Kerry Wood remember the bowler Jesus played by um what's his turn yeah
1:12:19
it was his partner o partner Wow Ellie I
1:12:27
don't think it worked for it on that one yeah I've seen the films good I love the
1:12:33
Coen Brothers films we should have watched that you like that Ben over the
1:12:39
top yeah so on so Stallone except the gate here and it reminded me when he was
1:12:44
at the gate with Troutman and Rambo part two it was the same same kind of intensity like he room like that
1:12:50
so I never cease this phone did that I really like oh I like his intensity here but then it just it's not enough and
1:12:57
it's but then the intense scenes are silly because of her arm wrestling but in this moment with the rig and I here's
1:13:03
my Mandela effect if you were to ask me 24 hours ago or 36 hours ago when I hadn't seen his film in 30 years I would
1:13:10
have told you I remembered the rig crashing to the housing I swear it happened in the daylight mmm-hmm for whatever reason
1:13:18
I that's my Mandela so if any of our listeners or anyone watching the show if you can remember it was the daylight ice
1:13:24
I have a very vivid vivid memory of it coming so when he arrived with this
1:13:29
truck at night maybe when he backed up I said what's he doing what I thought this
1:13:35
was yeah my I was like totally blown away that it was at night it was ever since my little Mandela effects that just obviously had a false memory but I
1:13:40
could have sworn he drove that thing in the daytime through the to the probably now what was Lincoln's endgame here
1:13:46
because he crashes through the gate he almost he drives halfway or he drives over the fountain and what a little bit
1:13:53
up the stairs yeah he does like extreme property damage here so was and to grab
1:13:59
the kid and get back in the truck and just back out and drive away like nothing happened
1:14:04
I I think so I think the kid if he had hopped in and grabbed was like well have a good life with your father he would
1:14:10
have driven away I think he just wanted to talk to Cutler right yeah where was
1:14:15
he just wanted to talk him yeah so but does it also seem out of character for how shy and timid his he is well maybe
1:14:23
this is speaking to the kind of man the violent man that were just led to believe he might have been 10 years ago I don't know we're giving mr. Boober
1:14:30
give you this movie too much credit that there's some sort of they never gave us the backstory so it's all supposition
1:14:36
and proposing what he may or may not been like 10 years ago I'll tell you who I want to give credit to is Robert
1:14:42
loggia and his a plus yelling yeah well I love the one line where he's talking
1:14:49
to his lawyer who's like we've went back a hundred years and there's no way that they're gonna separate that kid from his
1:14:54
father and he says something like yes you know you're a lawyer it's your job
1:15:00
to figure out how to you know bend the rules or whatever loophole yeah so this
1:15:05
is a question I yeah that was great actually I meant I didn't write that down they had their top researchers
1:15:10
going back a hundred years I would have said 1887 how many yeah you think there
1:15:18
were in 1887 that were relevant to the Lincoln Hawk case
1:15:24
a couple of people join in our chat here Walt Murray whatever favorite fans in park well he did say that giving this
1:15:31
movie too much credit is the most accurate thing you could say oh you bastard come on Walt they counted on you
1:15:40
Robert Leatherwood he chimed in and said that they actually just showed this movie in Dallas at the Alamo Drafthouse
1:15:45
oh wow that that's awesome Robert leather what did you go yeah I
1:15:53
don't know if you went that's the question so Robert did you go Mike chimed in again he said just a
1:15:58
quick side note that arm strength is a misnomer when it comes to arm wrestling technique is far more important which is
1:16:05
actually that being true and accurate actually does add a little bit of credence to the film that Stallone being
1:16:11
so much smaller than saw these big guys could be possible that he could win that it's not about the size of the arm or
1:16:17
the size of the man that it is technique there I've seen enough Armisen videos that some skinny guys could be some
1:16:22
really big guys well especially at the end of the movie bull is a hundred pounds heavier than Lincoln yeah so Walt
1:16:29
loves this movie so he's making that classic his love he he made himself right with God so Walt are you able to
1:16:37
chime in do you want to come in on this live chat cuz we can invite you in I can invite you in right now and you can come
1:16:42
up and then chime in your podcast extraordinary if you want to tell us like five minutes or so or join the chat
1:16:48
as to why you love this movie please because I hate it well he was supposed to come on four which one was that him
1:16:55
was it yeah yeah which one was it so Walt if you can come in let us know
1:17:00
all right um okay where were we uh oh yeah there's a cop question for you Doug
1:17:06
so we find out later the charges were dropped but if so if the Stallone
1:17:11
character just drives to someone's house even if the owner says hey I don't want to charge this guy is there still a
1:17:17
police matter involved like if I basically I go to your house Doug and I just drive through your property is
1:17:23
smash up your house and you're like oh no no don't worry about it can I get off the hook and out of jail if you don't
1:17:29
charge press charges yeah if the victim or if the victim does want to pursue any any charges criminal
1:17:37
then yeah you walk okay all right okay
1:17:43
that that answers that question I didn't know if there was something beyond the personal property issue not if it's a
1:17:50
private public property is a different story right okay already notice who the
1:17:56
wrestler was that's one of the henchmen Terry Funk yeah yeah yeah very much
1:18:02
legend he didn't have a speaking part or they actually only had one speaking part of the very end what he told him told
1:18:07
Lincoln that he's not his boss oh wait you know his boss wants to see him the
1:18:14
presidential suite that was his first speaking yeah and then so Lincoln so
1:18:21
Lincoln goes up to the Presidential Suite did we claw so I know you want to get no
1:18:27
no go ahead go ahead basically Lincoln gets visited by his
1:18:33
son at the jail the son says I can't be with you all right Burt what are we
1:18:39
gonna do where are we gonna go and then Lincoln basically signs away his rights
1:18:44
he signed something they don't they don't establish what it is but even at the end of the movie when they're at the
1:18:51
tournament Lincoln says it's too late I already signed I already I already
1:18:57
signed papers officer again we had a bit of a we had a we had a feed disconnect
1:19:03
there no I I heard it okay source it for me then no I mean basically Lincoln
1:19:10
signed some form of paperwork that says he's giving up his rights to be Michael's father mm-hmm okay legal I
1:19:18
guess but yeah so at that point Cutler
1:19:23
would have to make the paperwork disappear or drop the you know the
1:19:29
custody agreement but why would he do that he'd write as far as Lincoln knows
1:19:37
at this point he's screwed now if he were to take the kid it would be legitimately kidnapping yeah so it
1:19:44
almost seems like all the money he wins at the end of the movie he's gonna have to use for a lawyer to get his kid back
1:19:51
right yeah well it's enough money to
1:19:57
undo all the damage he did by signing away his rights you know much money he made like let's just talk about it so again today's
1:20:03
dollars he batted himself he sold he sold a rig for seven grand right so in
1:20:09
any put all that money on himself going off at twenty to one odds yeah which would net him one hundred and forty
1:20:15
grand and what would that be tonight in 2019 dollars oh so basically today's
1:20:22
money he made 280 grand off betting for himself 200 grand for winning the
1:20:27
championship and you got a five hundred thousand dollar rig but Cutler offered him five hundred thousand in cash and a breaking rig for
1:20:35
nothing that's right now that thing that bothers me Doug because this is the
1:20:42
speech up in the Presidential Suite and I can only imagine how much people's
1:20:47
heads hurt that haven't seen this movie that are listening to us because we're jumping all over the place
1:20:53
as always Presidential Suite he makes that sweet offer and and Lincoln even
1:20:58
says why why are you offering this I already signed the papers or whatever and I almost wonder Doug if if there
1:21:06
wasn't something incredibly exactly legal about Lincoln signing those papers because it's the only like what grandpa
1:21:14
Cutler says oh it's just to make sure you go away and never bother us right like like oh he was like trying to he
1:21:23
realized that he didn't have a great legal leg to stand on or maybe Stallone could argue that he or Lincoln could
1:21:30
argue that he signed that paperwork under the rest yeah the Korea Presidents of a lawyer he
1:21:36
signed it in the presence of a secretary mm-hmm yeah under duress that's a that
1:21:43
might be a valid argument but like you said giving him the money and the rig to make him go away and disappear for good
1:21:49
he's like his insurance policy that Lincoln won't come back and make a stink about it ever again all right
1:22:01
so let's talk about the tournament the anywhere near the air and a half mark if you could believe it so we've already
1:22:07
kind of talked about this big event the crowds crazy there's five hundred
1:22:12
contestants all right yeah in a single day and I know I know we're anxious to get this wrapped up and I'm ready for
1:22:19
dinner but Michael finds the letters when he's going through his mom's panty drawer
1:22:25
yeah and he steals a truck and then goes
1:22:31
to the airport and buys a looks like Walter's joined us and buys a plane
1:22:37
ticket to Vegas all things into the nineteen how far how difficult would that be for him yeah you're absolutely
1:22:43
right you're right I didn't mean to cross over that that's absolutely true twelve wheel drives a truck gets a cab
1:22:49
gets an airplane all this stuff and apparently this old me takes like so
1:22:54
there are most seen for how long for ten twelve hours five hundred people I to
1:23:00
riot let's welcome let's welcome our first hey let's welcome our first guest on the
1:23:07
Sloan Podcast Network show won't very well nice to meet you face to face and
1:23:13
welcome yeah I get to see you guys so well hey not much Doug hey nobody you an
1:23:19
awesome man do real good does the only person that can help solve crimes in that way all the way from Philadelphia
1:23:24
Wow so Walt why don't just tell us a little bit of who you are and to plug
1:23:32
your show while you're at it we'd love plugging each other so go ahead and plug yourself well I guess I'll talk about my
1:23:38
show instead I'm a part of the podcast the wild ride and we are covering the
1:23:47
movies of gene Wilder one minute at a time last season we did Young Frankenstein did 103 episodes and now we
1:23:55
are working our way through the classic Blazing Saddles nice great movie
1:24:01
speaking of 2019 a movie that could not be made today no to go deep into that
1:24:08
one yeah I think actually we talked about that some Doug when you're on our show right
1:24:14
yeah me and my co-host Jay were guests on the wilder ride a couple weeks ago episodes airing in June I believe you
1:24:20
said yeah I think so they're coming up here pretty quick yeah yeah I'm gonna
1:24:26
listen to that I just haven't yet Walt because I want to rewatch the film I've only seen it once or twice throughout my
1:24:31
long long life but I do want to watch again before I have it broken down
1:24:36
minute by minute because yeah it's definitely a classic and I definitely enjoy but it's it's not enough to list
1:24:42
your show without pre-wash the film so I would definitely watch it before you start listening there's a lot there it's
1:24:49
a it's a kind of layered movie and you know what a lot of jokes you don't want to miss and right so yeah hey thanks for
1:24:56
thanks for pulling me in yes what the reason why we'll just literally just me to Don the show here is because he has a
1:25:05
[Laughter] plugging in me too yeah
1:25:12
so he just inserted himself without his without permission now just are we invited a baby so well why don't you
1:25:20
tell us why you love over-the-top well a couple reasons and I sure don't have the level of knowledge but it to me has just
1:25:28
always been a really fun movie and you know like with a lot of storm movies it
1:25:33
doesn't take itself too seriously and it has that great Stallone formula of you
1:25:40
know kind of the underdog the guy who's really under the pile of life and he
1:25:47
finds a way through whatever medium to to come out on top and it's it's just a
1:25:52
fun fun Stallone movie it's got some great lines in it you know and just alone being Stallone at his best
1:25:59
okay well can't agree more with the wind
1:26:11
you know the other classics but here's the thing like we have a whole like channel
1:26:18
dedicated to Stallone in this films and I know it seems like maybe that's just the the type of film Stallone has but we
1:26:25
have a lot of dumpster [ __ ] that we've reviewed it's it's it's it's the loads career
1:26:30
well but I love him and I love him in this film in many ways like I love sly and I love his how he looks and there's
1:26:38
a lot that he does that's really good I think again he's just he's beholding to a really cruddy script that he had a
1:26:43
hand in and I I know that he's able to do so much more I don't know why they will just take an extra week or two to
1:26:49
fine-tune things I don't know what the rush is I don't know the other thing that
1:26:54
happens with a lot of his kind of side projects like I kind of felt like that's done with Cobra even though I love that
1:27:02
movie you know it doesn't seem like they really tuned enough like they needed to before they started production it's the
1:27:09
stuff that he has his creative hand in because he was so notoriously tough to
1:27:14
work with and hard to sway that he wanted things done his way in and he
1:27:20
wouldn't listen to reason when they were probably pretty good filmmakers around him that could kind of guide him in the
1:27:27
right direction if he would let them yeah Robert Thomas actually he said here in our chat he said he thinks that this
1:27:33
might have been a movie that Stallone ghost directed mm-hmm the movie a movie yeah the career full
1:27:40
of movies yeah well we've said this we've said this before on our show that Stallone seems to pick directors if it's
1:27:47
not himself someone he can kind of you know he's still oh look he's sly when he
1:27:53
walks in the room it's like we talked about this edgy he's Sylvester Stallone everyone turns to look at him I can only imagine what
1:27:58
it's like to be on a set with this guy who's made Rambo and rocky and you're just some like basically foreign
1:28:04
director almost it's like I'll take care of this well that's the thing Ryan I think it was he was grabbing guys that
1:28:10
either didn't have the ego or didn't have the reputation or cared about their
1:28:15
reputation enough to not just take the money and be like you know what this will help me get my next gig and that's
1:28:23
why I've always said I wish like Tarantino would grab him for something or David Fincher or Martin Scorsese someone that he might not channel
1:28:31
somebody that would challenge him and that's why I like one of this best movies Copland is is from a combo it
1:28:37
early in his career director name escapes you now who the director of Coplin it's mangled
1:28:45
yeah that's right so here's a very good director but we didn't know how good who's gonna be later in his career but somewhat that probably challenged him
1:28:52
somebody that you know said hey let's do the scene again let's why don't you try this I guess something that yeah well
1:28:57
well Ryan we've seen that and and I I don't want to get into a whole discussion but this could be a whole
1:29:03
nother episode unto itself but I kind of feel like we saw that with Creed and Creed too with Ryan Coogler and the
1:29:09
gentleman whose name escapes me that directly even people jr. yeah those were
1:29:14
both young you know energetic really creative filmmakers that I think did you
1:29:20
know hold Stallone to a certain standard and I think the way those movies turned
1:29:26
out or a direct result of the the strong directors that were behind those
1:29:32
projects exactly this director did not challenge sly whatsoever he he literally
1:29:39
and you know I got paid 24 million in today's dollars I don't if you caught that Walt there's 24 million dollars
1:29:45
this budget was only in today's budget what it cost was it 250 million and half of it went to his paycheck but Golan
1:29:53
Golan was a producer and I think Doug Doug alluded to this at the beginning is you know as a producer Golan was
1:29:59
probably willing to do whatever he needed to do to get Stallone to sign on to a project that he didn't want to do
1:30:04
mm-hmm yeah it was the money talked that's what it really came down to so do you think
1:30:11
that Stallone didn't put his heart into this because why would he hey Chuck does he really believe her
1:30:17
project does he really believe in it like not something that you're getting paid dollars well I put my heart into a
1:30:29
podcast and get paid anything for at a loss yeah I think that makes four of us
1:30:42
well here's the thing I honestly believe he put he put a legitimate failed effort
1:30:48
mind you into stopping my mom will shoot I think he was trying to be funny I think he was actually trying to be funny with
1:30:53
this I he just played the one key like crazy I turned crazy eyes and snarl and I'm
1:31:01
armwrestling and I'm really sheep and me Koosh when I'm not armwrestling it's it's a really a 2-tone performance well
1:31:07
I think we should get back to Craig was talking about Mike stealing the steel in the Jeep right Craig and going to the
1:31:16
airport and having the money to buy a one-way ticket to Vegas right and uh
1:31:23
apparently he he finds his way all over the airport including the the baggage claim I give this kid credit as annoying
1:31:32
as he is and there's a crybaby that he is my kid can't even find matching socks and he's 12 years old this kid actually
1:31:37
traveled across the country on his own that's pretty good yeah how he hides on the the cart that
1:31:47
all the luggage is on people manually take all that luggage off and put it on
1:31:53
to the car you know though but yeah he cut that belt so somebody he had to
1:31:59
interact with somebody at that point in a post-911 world there's there's no way
1:32:07
the kid adults anybody is finding their way inside a luggage compartment no no
1:32:16
that was pretty good work when he came out the luggage was he hiding in the plane is that what it was I don't think
1:32:22
he was hiding in a plane but he he when he lands my throat there was the yeah
1:32:28
Cutler's bodyguards were waiting for him at the airport when he landed so that's when he he hid amongst the luggage that
1:32:35
was coming off the plane I don't know I'm getting a headache right now there's
1:32:40
just thinking about it Walt what do you think about this not
1:32:47
post 9/11 world at the airport oh my free night already makes it on the plane much less getting a person on but
1:32:55
yet no I I mean there's no way a kid could have pulled that one now a lot of
1:33:01
us kind of thought through how to do stuff like that but now there's no there's
1:33:06
way why are they slapping shot in the face it's like each other up I would be
1:33:14
like oh that hurts I you know you had a Mandela effect moment earlier on and I
1:33:21
kind of had one here I thought I don't know what movie this is in though there's a movie where where two guys
1:33:29
trying to psych each other up spit in each other's mouths Oh after slapping the [ __ ] out of one
1:33:35
another I think you're watching the wrong video yeah maybe some kind of
1:33:42
Filipino know what that is I swear to God I remember that from something I
1:33:47
can't think a wife well you know there had to be something in this that was
1:33:53
kind of a Stallone trademark move or line or whatever so it kind of makes
1:33:58
sense then they would come up with something like that right I'm gonna look it up well I mean you know a trademark
1:34:05
out of the realm of possibility Stallone move is grizzly drinking motor oil
1:34:11
yeah so this guy before an arm wrestling match drank castor oil he says that I'm
1:34:17
gonna go through you like gas through a funnel so not only was he not drinking gasoline he was drinking motor oil does
1:34:24
anyone want to explain how motor oil might help your arm wrestling showers yeah it gives you an out and then we see
1:34:36
it like some sort of comedic effect he's taking alka-seltzer too you know for his
1:34:41
upset tummy he'd be puking so bad it's I mean he would have been dead would you
1:34:46
not die drinking I like that I don't know maybe nod think so yeah so last thing yeah I'm getting here the
1:34:53
end of this it's uh yeah we're looking at the hour and 40 minute mark thanks a lot guys another one another piece of meat edit but do you guys want to talk
1:35:00
about the promos that they had they have these little interviews like documentary style before the fights mm-hmm I loved
1:35:08
it yeah I thought it was I thought I was a little bit of a highlight as well that we saw it almost seemed real issuers
1:35:16
playing these muscle roided-out guys we're talking kind of calmly and stuff almost showing that their bravado at the
1:35:22
table is a show and yeah they're not really like that outside the competition I kind of also do sort of regret that
1:35:30
they didn't utilize bull more or better and my final cast throw back Jeff
1:35:37
Hewlett the episode reference that they should have somehow found a way to have
1:35:43
maybe even bull working for Cutler as a way to to get bull even more involved in
1:35:49
the story because that guy was so darn charismatic great look great great delivery just everything about that bull
1:35:56
character except when he was making the little boy uncomfortable was was just rock solid yeah do you want to take the
1:36:04
bull by the horns okay so you and your
1:36:09
dad jokes and of course Walters laughing
1:36:20
joking I'm terrible so Mike chimed it
1:36:25
again Mike Vardy thanks brother he's listened to the whole show he says it was really cool about those promo cuts he said they gave some quick insight to
1:36:32
the characters yeah it should it kind of like humanized the characters and shortly because in each of their
1:36:37
interviews they're really subdued and kind of soft-spoken yeah including Lincoln Hawk but I mean it it like you
1:36:45
said Ryan it shows that like them getting psyched up on stage is like just them getting psyched up for their their
1:36:52
moment of performance that they're really just normal guys normal guys
1:36:57
because at least three of them referenced wanting to break people's arms and normal people don't think like
1:37:09
alright well my my last thing is the underused Terry Funk here's the were the
1:37:14
greatest hardcore wrestlers ever and they had one little scuffle you know at the patio he smashes Terry Funk through
1:37:21
the through the fake door sweet and funk does the job yes that's why was gonna
1:37:27
say they hear they had like one of the probably the greatest hardcore wrestler ever in history I think they did not
1:37:33
have frickin like throwing around the presidential suite fight in today's movies they would have done that today's
1:37:40
movies they would have done that you think it would have ended with him taking a dive off the presidential suite
1:37:45
Bobby do and maybe Cutler Cutler's truck that he was gonna try and bribe them
1:37:51
with maybe maybe right for the windshield to slide out we're about to
1:37:59
have a huge storm here so oh really what kind of storm they're saying [ __ ] storm
1:38:06
through that we tornadoes tonight oh wow yeah thanks guys thank you having
1:38:13
me on again I appreciate it yeah well hope they do it again the vault good job the Wilder ride check out Walt and uh
1:38:20
hopefully you don't get sucked away by three of you by all right we're gonna
1:38:43
close the show up guys why don't you go ahead and say who you are where you're from for listeners we didn't at the beginning so oh well we're not gonna
1:38:51
talk about the end of the match well he won oh my god he does he takes the kid
1:38:58
okay so he wins he beats bull bull doesn't get the double double elimination credit maybe one of our
1:39:05
listeners could tell us why that is I think it's just because it's the final fight the ending just blows my mind how
1:39:12
how Cutler just just watches hawk and and the kids celebrate and and then just
1:39:18
decides then and there that he's gonna let Lincoln have the kid and that's that well I think he's just I know it's
1:39:24
cliche what's the ending in the film he's just showing ol look the kid really is happy with him yeah but there's but
1:39:31
there's no scene that shows the conversation it's just you know next day they Lincoln and the kid are walking
1:39:38
away together that's right the hawk and Sun or Sun and Hawk rig company now and I think it puts
1:39:44
the hawk from his old rig onto the new rig yeah and kid says can I Drive the singing and he's like aren't you partner
1:39:51
you know the end so Doug you really like
1:39:59
this film I come on seriously I still I tell you I enjoyed watching it for this
1:40:05
it has problems and like I said if I was watching it in preparation now for the
1:40:10
first time in 20 years or the first time ever I would have hated it but I really have I've seen it probably
1:40:18
a couple of dozen times in the you know 30 years I would rather watch stopping
1:40:23
my mumbles shoo really I think so I think I actually know I would I would
1:40:29
rather what I'd rather what to me I guess for me I'm a bit of an empathy I
1:40:36
don't know if I told you that I'm like I see myself in film so that makes sense so I have a hard time as a father
1:40:42
separating what this dad has done to this kid and how he's trying to bring this kid back to his life he never
1:40:48
explains his actions I don't trust Lincoln at the either as far as I know Michaels dead he he took
1:40:56
the kid had killed him you know we don't know what his history is maybe he was violent maybe what did have a dangerous
1:41:02
past I know that the grandpa let him go it's never explained what he did you just did he fool around his wife on the
1:41:08
road this is such a surface level movie that you're not intended to look that
1:41:13
deep into it I enjoyed it for what it is and I stole all these years later I
1:41:18
still like it it's 90 minutes of brainless entertainment yeah I was so happy to see the length when I opened up
1:41:25
the video I was like a hawk good minutes yeah not like that to our abortion that
1:41:31
driven was yes driven was two hours but
1:41:37
I know it sounds like and for our listeners who have plowed through this and I know I've sounded hard on it I
1:41:42
think what it is Doug and Craig is that I had better hope site because everyone was swearing by this film and I haven't
1:41:49
seen it thirty years and everyone would like voted for like three to one votes to sing one and people will say this is
1:41:54
great I love this film and I was like I left like really this is this is a
1:42:00
a bad TV movie the week and I was disappointed I guess I was legitimately
1:42:05
disappointed I was expecting better well I was like I guess lesson learned Ryan is when we try to avoid a dumpster fire
1:42:13
we're gonna end up with a dumpster fire
1:42:18
so now I want to thank all our listeners oh we do dumpster fires are in our
1:42:24
future we've done of the worst ones so we got ya got some good movies ahead of
1:42:29
us I believe cliffhanger like let's be honest I almost don't want to put a vote okay I hate our audience I feel after
1:42:40
like our first four episodes where I couldn't get my movie picked at all
1:42:46
so cliffhanger I still want people to vote because this good interaction for our shows it puts our show out there I
1:42:53
I'd like to put cliffhanger up against something but I'm trying to think about what would be an equal and equal fight
1:42:58
with it Get Carter probably Cobra no
1:43:05
Cobra win hands down and I think yet Carter would to get Carter is another film that the fanbase
1:43:11
loves really really daylight well I
1:43:18
would say daylight versus alright we'll talk about offline me a favor let's just give us some suggestions what would be
1:43:23
an even match against cliffhanger I'd be interested euro people have to say about that alright I'm Ryan from the going the
1:43:29
distance the rocky series podcast you can catch me on obviously if you listen to it on this feed or the site that's
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Twitter and iTunes if you don't mind go ahead there no Ryan I was gonna say that you you always promote your you're going
1:43:49
the distance podcast but I think the listeners really need to know about your your uh your other podcast the worst of
1:43:57
the best the worst the best yeah yeah it's our little sore little podcast that it's it's small little compared to the
1:44:04
audience that this one has so yeah I don't know why I keep forgetting to plug our other one I I do it on our feed just
1:44:09
to remind listeners oh yeah Reuben and I have a second podcast called the worst of the best variety of topics too short up so it's
1:44:15
easy to binge and we just talk about a variety of things we pick really just every best list there is that there is a
1:44:22
stinker in every list and we basically picked the worst of of that list from
1:44:27
music movies food you name it your motley crew one was great thanks man appreciate that
1:44:33
I like the your last one the lead singer replacements that was probably my
1:44:39
favorite worst of the best episode so your to your two listeners and my mom so
1:44:49
I appreciate it well I'm Doug from rock you minute we cover the Rocky movies one minute of
1:44:55
movie time at a time so we finished two seasons 118 episodes of season one 117
1:45:02
episodes of season 2 and we're taking a well-deserved break before we go
1:45:07
headfirst into season 3 so coming soon
1:45:14
when we're gonna creep our - Craig you want to edit it for me know this thing
1:45:24
it's coming actually create the sly cast creed super special part 2 episode is
1:45:30
gonna be my discussion with Mike Linda who is always an easy easy interview to
1:45:36
edit and also the discussion me and you had Ryan which I think in terms of
1:45:43
editing I think those are gonna be really easy to put together I just got a bump them up together I got a submission from format our buddy
1:45:50
Matt from Rambo mania about some some backstory for Ludmila so uh yeah I would
1:45:59
say um you know uh in the next couple of weeks we'll get that and then sly Cass
1:46:04
will deliver our Judge Dredd episode as well and then we're gonna be ready to deliver more what's that I'm just living
1:46:16
at the dog kind of chilling there next to you that's my credo he's the best are
1:46:21
you laughing at hey this is like the fifth episode of I'll go back and sleep the fifth episode in a row
1:46:26
the judge we recorded the judge dredd episode like I want to say it was like
1:46:33
right after Thanksgiving that's awesome
1:46:38
the Holly was gonna do a remake of the remake by the time it gets out you know what and Ryan and Doug as editors I mean
1:46:44
I don't know how what your edit editing schedule is for the Iraqi minute Doug
1:46:49
so you might be an open like I tend to like to end things as close to what I recorded them as possible so I can
1:46:55
remember mmm you know what might have been going through my head yeah but so
1:47:01
it's just so scary to to go to just you know footage you have or recordings you
1:47:09
have four months ago and then you just like well I got to dive in now and figure this out yeah those are always
1:47:16
daunting remember the the Judge Dredd discussions a lot of fun but also the
1:47:22
the creep 2 discussion with Mike and and then Ryan it's really good as well and I
1:47:28
think the response to the the first Creed super special pre two super
1:47:34
special was was was really was really positive and I was glad and really to share that conversation was was really
1:47:42
solid it was good and yeah you guys did great Tyler I want to say again I said
1:47:48
every time but I listened to you guys to shows I'm a fan of you guys it's always cool to do the show together with you because I'm also a fan of good guys to
1:47:54
show so thanks for all the work you guys do know that and Thank You Ryan for really you know holding it down here you
1:48:00
know and doing all the heavy lifting I know that driven episode there was a lot of audio drop ins that you did that
1:48:08
really ended up enhancing the episode and I know it wasn't fun for you and it
1:48:16
time away from you know from your family and also probably took a little bit of
1:48:21
your sanity driven was a horrible movie it was a fun day discussion alright so a
1:48:29
lot is lasting the Oscar and the Oscar 40 slips so over the top it's it's it I
1:48:35
guess it's just discipline the end of disappointed to me I was hoping for a better film better luck next time yeah all right
1:48:42
guys thanks for watching to listen to everyone have a good night all right take care