Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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gum hey oh I think we're live all right it's a great first image yeah
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sorry just taking out my gum I want my breath to be fresh for the broadcast okay well welcome everyone to another
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episode of what's our site called again the Salone poder Salone podcast Network yeah it
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shouldn't be that hard to figure out Sylvester Salone podcast Network basically is just the rocky minute slide
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cast going the distance of Rocky series podcast we're all joining forces and you know the Big Wigs the big heads of the
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sly world are coming together and I'm really excited today guys to review today's movie who else is excited this
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guy yeah we knew going into this vote that there wouldn't be a loser here that no matter what movie got selected it
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would be a winner we had three movies up what was it again Victory lockup lock up
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and Nighthawks which nigh Hawks people can't stop talking about what a great movie that is I don't know where they
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were when the vote was being cast yeah it was close lock up won and
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it happened to be my choice but it won by four votes three or four votes you beat me by one second stallion you beat
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me by one second let's get going with lock up
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lockup came out in 1989 it came out 30 years ago wow is
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that crazy 30 years crazy that 1989 was 30 years ago yeah I know I know before
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we talk about the the specs of the film and all that good stuff let's talk about first the first time you saw this film
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and any memories you have of the I'm 90% sure I saw this film in the theaters and I'm starting to doubt myself because it
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was a rated R film and I was 14 at the time now I did sneak into movies all the
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time back back then because when I was 14 I was kind of bigger for my age I looked older than 14 I'd like to think I
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snuck in because I'm 90% sure I saw this in the theaters that being said I bought
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it on VHS once it was released on VHS and I watched the crap out of this film on VHS for years for years to come and
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then of course I went on Blu-ray to this day I hadn't seen it in probably hadn't seen a full viewing of this in over a
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decade so I would say the last 10 years of my life like since I got remarried nine years ago I've had like four new
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kids in nine years I there's a lot of movies that I haven't repeated viewing just I don't have that extra time just to watch a movie out of the blue so I
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haven't seen this movie in a while until yesterday I watched the whole way through and yeah so that's the latest
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viewing was yesterday but before then I I seen this movie many many times and
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had fond memories and those fond memories did not diminish on yesterday's viewing yeah you know I saw this when I
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was a kid ' 89 I was 11 I definitely didn't see it in the uh movies I must
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have caught it on one of the channel 11 viewings of it you know local yeah yeah
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PX that's right yeah where they bleeped out the curses and everything but I wasn't a big movie Watcher like if I saw
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movie Once that was pretty much it unless it was called Star Wars or uh you know Indiana
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Jones uh yeah so I I haven't seen it since I was a kid until up until yesterday so I I mean I guess you can
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say that was like my first official viewing because I don't I don't remember [ __ ] about it so wow here we are Yeah so
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basically it was like a first viewing for you almost you knew the movie existed you probably had some sort of memory of him being the prison but you
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don't remember yeah correct yeah I don't think I saw this movie in the theater and mainly
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because I don't think I saw a lot of movies in the theater in ' 89 except for like what probably
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Batman and there might have been an Indiana Jones movie is that when Last Crusade came out yeah I think so and
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maybe maybe a James Bond film but either way I probably saw this on VHS at some point when it came out on the Home Video
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Market I had watched it prior to whenever we did it for Sly cast a couple
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years back I know me and you Ryan were talking about this yesterday just about how great the Blu-ray looks see
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oh yeah sorry I just I just muted it sorry for a second there yeah no I was uh I'm just trying to get their show out
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on Twitter verse while you're talking there the transfer of the Blu-ray looked really nice at least on my PC and I will
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say again for the Rocky movie box that I have that the Blu-ray transfer is horrible I don't know if that's the same for you guys in your Blu-ray when it
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comes to the rocky films but yeah we've talked about this man it's terrible yeah and I don't know if it's the fact that
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lockup is what 10 years later than the first Rocky no I will say it sorry not
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to interrupt I just watched the 1974 classic film for the first time Jee Hackman in the conversation oh and I saw
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that on like AMC sorry on my Movie Channel like TV the 70s Channel I've got this movie channel that does the 70s 80s
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and 90s it looked fantastic well it was high it was high dep through my TV so obviously they they have this format
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yeah but that was Francis Ford copela big budget movie I mean if I mean the first Rocky is an independent film right
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I mean it's it's low budget yeah I is it really like I I I understand and I agree
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with you but weren't the oldest filmed in Panavision like was the film different and it also gets back to what
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they were using to Source those Rocky Blu-rays I've never done the research they might not have been using pristine
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prints or whatever I mean whatever they used for lockup was pristine that is
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probably one of the better Stallone Blu-rays I've seen from pre-1990 yeah it
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looked good it it it did look good and well so now we can start talking about who directed The film and I I didn't
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know anything about this guy until I until I looked him up I didn't know anything about John Flynn did any of you
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guys know anything about John Flynn before looking them up no I just know he died back in 2007 yeah so he directed 16
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movies from 68 to 2001 so he had a 33-year career but he didn't do a lot of
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movies he he only did about one movie every two years three decade long career But as time went on the movies became
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less and less as he got older he worked with three actors from our previously reviewed film The Specialist which three
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Rod yeah Rod stiger in the general 1968 remember rostiger
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yeah je me to tell me J
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bastardo Bast yeah I forget and then the film right before lock up he directed
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James Woods in the movie called besteller H wasn't it it was James Woods that hooked theone up with this project
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wasn't it gonna make um what four consecutive live episodes where we
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mention James Woods I so we should do it in every
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single one I think have I know last episode or the episode before I
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attempted a James Wood joke that went over like a a fart in church
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so you guys didn't even laugh so I can't get laugh out of my co-hosts well we we're not P laughers
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yeah that's right we're tough crowd we're the toughest crowd you'll ever have we hold ourselves to higher standards right that's it John Flynn
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like you said died at the age of 75 in April 2007 so he hasn't been with us for
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almost 12 years and his last movie was 2001 also in the movie bestseller with
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James Wood he uh directed Brian Den was a co-star in that movie As We Know Brian Dene was the sheriff te Teasdale teasel
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teasel geez yeah teasel in the first SP yeah and did I see on his filmography he
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directed out for justice after this with Sagar yes he did he directed with so he directed Salone and seagull like back to
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back so that's is that the is that for justice the one where he goes into like the bar and they're playing pool and he
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wraps the pool balls and the the napkin and he's like just like cracking Guys
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across the face with the pool balls well if he if he's not doing that he should have we I'm telling you not to make this
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a Steven Seagal podcast because nobody wants that people want the Sylvester Sal
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pod there was a run where we saw probably up through like under siege we saw every cigal movie when it opened in
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theaters just to watch him like dismantle people with his aido and his I
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don't have to do anything but you come at me and I'll break your arm kind of stuff Marked for Death where he breaks that Jamaican guy in half yeah awesome
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awesome look I watched Fire Down Below in the theaters o you know I think I
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might have seen that in the theaters as well wow EP uh Environmental Protection
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uh a agent or something like that is that the one where he has a ponytail and he mumbles his lines and then he that's
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all of them oh okay the movie Lock Up if it was made
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today would it cost $37 million to make which is actually a very small budget 37 million for kind of a what what you
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consider it starting a big star of the day $37 million isn't that much however it broke even with a 42 million dollar
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box office which I found very surprising that this movie did not make money that's terrible it was a tough sale like
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you said it was our rated it didn't have kind of the appeal of let's say like a cobra which was kind of hot and flashy
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and sexy if you will this was a guy in prison movie yeah I but I mean I was
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such a Sly fan at the time and I still am obviously but it back then in ' 89 I
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was a huge Sly fan I was 14 years old it just everything he did was like goal to and I'm just surprised that more people
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like me that were on the slide wagon didn't show up I don't know I don't know either like the critics killed it
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there's a a pedigree behind this I mean it was co-written by Jeb Stewart who what two years earlier had co-authored
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die hard yeah yeah well here's the thing yeah Doug you probably read some of the trivia and I'll let do want to talk to
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that in a second here but I just want to say what this film was nominated for some awards though do you know what what it was nominated for razis yeah as
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always why is Sly nominated for Razz he is such a
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Razzy darling like they rag on his career man they're lazy they're just lazy and the razes are like some of the
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most uninspired award shows or awards that you'll you'll ever see just because
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such easy targets and don't get me wrong there are some bad movies that s's been
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in but lockup should not be anywhere in the discussion of a of worse pitcher so it was not dominated for worst pitcher
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really like out of all the films in ' 89 there just wasn't they couldn't think of four other films other than this one or
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another film that was just worse than this picture and of course worst actor for Stallone and then worst supporting
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actor for Donald souland and they didn't even win any of them yeah I mean the
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only thing you can give Donald southernland there oh there we go Las Vegas here's the sirens I promised on
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Twitter we can always count on you Craig well and and we should have a dog bark soon um the only award I would give
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southernland anything for is worst character name in this drum ghoul and
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his nose hair I'll tell you I'll they call that a mustache in America no no uh
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the one thing that the one thing that the high def Blu-ray gave me was uh there's a lot of Donald sou the nose
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hair now he was 54 in this film and he's a little bit older but high def I'm
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telling you these early high def movies when they're when they're transferred over you get a lot of male nose hair
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that they didn't see coming with the high death oh man that's unfortunate I will say that the razis though though
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they lost quotequote lost they lost to Star Trek five for worst pitcher William Shatner for Star Trek five for worst
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actor and Donald suland lost to Christopher Atkins in the movie called listen to me for supporting actor
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Christopher Atkins isn't he um God that name sounds really familiar yeah I looked him up and I didn't really
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recognize him well we'll talk about all the actors but as we we do I always like to say how old they were the film
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especially when films get older if that makes sense because I find it very fascinating being 43 myself right now
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like I am the same age that syester Salone was in this movie and it always fascinates me that when I look at Sly on
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screen I'm like can I do or be what he's being on screen is I always kind of put myself in his shoes as an actor or as a
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person and like that's what a 43y old was doing in 1989 in this film so I find
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it interesting I don't know if you guys find ages interesting in movies but I usually do I do I do but this I mean I
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would say he's he looks about 43 yeah oh early 40s it would be my my guess and
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his physique looked fantastic too he looked pretty good there that's one of the problems that you have with any
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movie with either Sly or like Arnold is Sly was like an auto mechanic in this
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movie right like like when does he have time to just get in the shape that he's
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in and stay in it I mean like it's just so hard to maintain that kind of I think that's the my biggest critique of of of
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Stallone's career overall is sure for Copland he got out of shape which we talked about in this movie you didn't
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really even need to show what kind of shape he was in there's that one scene where they strip him down and then you're like whoa aside from that like
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when he's wearing his clothes he doesn't look crazy but I almost wonder if it was like that Stallone ego that's like hey
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I'm going to the gym eight hours a day I want people to see this you know we did
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get though we got got the gratuitous Stallone wearing briefs oh yeah nothing more gratuitous
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than stoper by m shoot oh no we didn't yeah at least he was wearing boxer shorts and not those Speedo shorts in
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this film he was in the in the dousing scene were the were those all Speedo underwear was that Speedo underwe yeah
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they were briefs yeah they were a gray color okay well I wasn't looking that
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the underwear in that scene I wasn't looking that closely trust me or was I
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that was one of the critiques I did have about this film was I didn't notice it at 14 CU he was the action hero when I
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was a kid and that was you know par for the course for these guys to show off their bills but now watching this as a 43y old and everyone else is clothed in
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this jail but for some reason Frank Leon the character that slly plays he's
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shirtless or in a tank top for the majority of the film The only time it did kind of work of course was when he
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was being deloused oh and when he was in the hole for weeks you know when they when he would have no clothes I would
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almost suspect he would probably be naked in real life that he have no Comfort whatsoever so his six-pack was
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really ripped too I noticed that it's wild because he did what Rocky five right around the same time he did Rocky
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5 1990s so the year after yeah and Rocky 5 is not a movie where he's really known for his physique although we don't
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really see it much except in the flashback to part four where I guess he had to maintain some kind of flashback
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for part two where he gets the cuffing for nck oh yeah yeah well see but that's
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not even accurate cuz he's he's pretty ripped in that and in Rocky too he
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wasn't as we know he was kind of just a regular guy right yeah so the movie starts off with what I think is a really
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nice Bill KY score [Applause]
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[Music]
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of the piano plane and I remember watching this movie even as a 14-year-old really liking the music in
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this film what are you guys' thoughts on Bill K's piano score it's tremendous it's Bill Ki he
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really knew how to bring life to Stallone movies I mean if you look at
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all of his scores for the Stallone films just knocked them all out of the park and this one's no no different a lot of
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memorable cues in this one man a score can really make or break a movie and this one definitely helps elevate it I
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loved every bit of it starts and ends the same but then there's still a little bit of that that uh light piano
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throughout and that's like I love that piece of music it's really good just want to welcome Jonathan Hal to the chat
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he's the only one chatting so thanks John he's from the impossible podcast so he says that he's had the Copland body
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for years me and you both
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brother I've got the party at Kitty and stud's body I think I've got oh yeah I'm
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working on the rocky 4body hasn't come yet it hasn't come yet the movie starts off with Frank Leon
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looking at photos and do you like Leon or Leone sorry it is Leone isn't it my
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apolog I don't know don't they pronounce it both ways yeah that's true I think Leone sounds more Italian you
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know yeah it does yeah I go with Leone okay so Frank Leone macaroni Leone it's
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racist is it I don't don't know it's a racist might be racial you got Frank
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working in a garage and if you're a cold viewer of this film if you like literally didn't see a trailer no
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anything about this film you you'd see that this guy's working on cars nice piano music and then this girl walks
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into the garage and they have a little bit of banter about you know do want a check under my hood excuse me yeah I'm
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looking for a mechanic anybody around here for that description yeah I might be able to help
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you out what do you need I have to get it fixed right away I need somebody who really knows what
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they're doing mhm I'm not that busy so what's the problem um I'm not sure maybe
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I ought to get under the hood and check it out and maybe I better
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[Music] it's okay from here great customer
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[Applause] service IM she said yeah I've got a lot of flappy noises under
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there that's awful sorry Craig didn't laugh at that one so that might have been
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B it was like Craig's joke that's his payback no no that's I was slightly
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tuned out I was reading about uh the actress in this in this and I forgot that she died last year yeah so she died
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last year and we're talk about her name is D two years ago yeah Dar yeah I guess almost two years ago darland darland
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flugal who I also remembered from To Live and Die in LA oh there you go so
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she uh yeah it's really sad she was 35 in the film so she of course eight years Junior toh Sylvester Stalone which
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obviously makes sense so she was 35 during the film into this film she was actually perfectly cast wife role you
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know what I mean she looked like the kind of girl that a guy looking like Frank Leone would be dating but she
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passed away in 2017 at the age of 64 from Alzheimer's terrible terrible disease and uh yeah no kidding what a
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sad story but we've got her performance here which you know good job yeah yeah there was no bad performances in this
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can you think of any that were like o no no even the [ __ ] guards did a good
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job of being [ __ ] guards yeah Craig you you were shaking your head was there somebody that you thought wasn't that
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great well Tom seore got close to going over the edge was his first movie was it
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yes this was his acting debut it grows on me I kind I like the way he is in this movie and I give actually more
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credit to the his performance knowing that this was his first movie and drum roll ladies and gentlemen guess who gave
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him his first shot in the movies Sylvester Stallone Sylvester Stallone another actor that what he brought into
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the film business I'm not too sure how but the trivia that I was reading said that Sly got Tom seore this role and
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it's a pretty meaty role oh yeah the role and to this day seore is good
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friends with Sly and just you know it's been very grateful to this day for that still friends yeah I don't know I I
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that's what I read if there's something that's happened I'm not aware of I'm I don't know well dirty sanchez happened
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dirty sanchez you don't remember what top siiz were went crazy well I don't know if they're
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hanging out with Thanksgiving dinner like Tom seiser has issues personally yes but I think there's no animosity
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between them I don't think well didn't Tom didn't Tom seore wasn't he like trying to get in The Expendables oh
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probably maybe yeah I mean You' think if they were still tight Stone would have yeah but to be fair no Tom se's never
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been an action star though he's not an action star he's never done an action he might be in a film that's action or has
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other action stars but I've never seen him I'm sure there's at least four straight to video piece of shits that he
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did that you call action movies this character he plays in this movie is
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typical for him like this is what he was good at his F talking like scam artist
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kind of guy oh and not to jump ahead but I mean that final sequence with him the acting there is tremendous yeah but
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there's some other points in the movie where he gets a little a little close to going over the edge sure it's a little
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it's a little bit of a corny character he's the guy that in jail that can get you whatever you want you know he's the guy in jail that gets he got car parts
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for that Mustang that's impressive so that's the thing you were talking Ryan about how the the opening of the film
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lead you to believe that he's just some guy you know leading a normal life as opposed to being on a oh yeah Furlow
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from prison now Doug you're a cop we always have to bring that up every episode what is fur exactly like I
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understand it's a break from jail but how's it granted and how often is it given is it something they still do or
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yeah in um minimal security prisons you're not giv hardcore criminals furlows you know you have to earn it you
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have to be a trusted convict because you're trusted to kind of just go on your own for the weekend I mean they
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Grant Furlow for special occasions like weddings funerals uh like holidays some
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holidays you do but you you have to be an exemplary inmate to even get one granted as far as I know I don't work in
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the jail but as far as I know that's how it works so the little sequence here that we have before the before he goes
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back to jail during his first we see that he is a mechanic now we think this
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is a picture of his father that we see but it's not we'll find out later to who it is but it's a picture of an older gentleman that he seems to be fond of
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and then we see that he's got a girlfriend he's crazy about and we see that he's good with the kids he's playing football we also see that he has
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a football pass so we kind of get this feeling of this character that he's an easygoing nice guy just wants to do his
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time get back on there in the community open up that garage start his business how would you guys feel if you're a
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parent to one of the kids that they were playing football with a prisoner out on Furlow I would probably a little bit
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uncomfortable yeah I'd say so and then the action kicks up right away he spends
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his first night in jail or back from Furlow the tension kicks in right away where we see these serious guards coming
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into the jail and it looks almost like a breakout it almost looks like what do you call it like almost like a mission guards coming in from another jail
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taking Frank out of his pretty cushy security prison into what will be a
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major Max security prison what is this in here Jimmy I don't know but it's
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official bre to 10 on your feet Leone on your feet what
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do you want take it what are you doing here you're being transferred transferred where what the heck I say
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that's not necessary that back officer prisoners in our custody now die
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real busy like a jerky camera a lot going on to add to the confusion I guess
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that Frank is experiencing they're trying to confuse us as a viewer as well yeah he keeps saying I haven't done
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anything why why is this happening even the guards at the minimal security prison are like what's going on here uh
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they're like we have orders and we get the first glimpse of Captain Meisner
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yeah played by JN Amos this guy is MVP of this film any anyone disagree with
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that no I love this guy he delivers every film he's in he is awesome boy
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what a presence what a presence at this point he's just doing his job he's not a bad guy no he's doing his job he's doing
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what he was told to do under what he assumes are legitimate orders he gives
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he gives everybody the benefit of Doubt so he's given the warden benefit of Doubt here that this guy Frank deserves
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to be transferred right sure yeah we know as a multiple viewer of this film his character Arc and where it goes and
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so there might even be a tendency to be like oh why is he such a dick at the beginning but he's not like you said he like he's in a dangerous job and he got
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to be Captain for a reason that he's not going to ask every criminal that he's transferring hey are you a nice guy is
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this are you somebody I can hang out with after you get out of jail like he's treating every criminal the same you
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come into my jail here's the rules this is what you're going to do obey the rules you're going to get a lot of pain
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from a lot of pain from me before we get to miser and Frank talking to each other we get the scene of him getting thrown
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in that truck he gets to the new prison and I thought this was a little bit over the top yeah pun intended right yeah we
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say it every time I know it comes automatically again uh Doug this is for you when Frank is transferred to the
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prison we see shots of all the guards outside the gate and they all pump their shotguns now I know that's done for
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effect for movies but what happens when he pump a shotgun you moved the shotgun round from the magazine into the chamber
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so it's ready fire would you do this at any point unless you had any atttention to firing no no no some guys the oldtime
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guys would do it to do it in front of a group just to get a reaction out of them if we were called for like a group that
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won't disperse you know what I mean the old time guys probably back in the 90s and 80s would jump out of the car pump
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their shotgun and try to get people to pucker up a little bit Yeah but right now the prisoner Frank hasn't even left
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the truck yet no earthly reason for them to do this it's like they're transferring like Bane from Batman or
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something like what are they afraid of here it's almost like that's what we're getting is that like we as an audience
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of what kind of prisoner is Frank the fear these cops already have this guy is going to exit this truck they got I
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counted it was four shotguns four of them again I I know a little bit about weapons but my
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understanding shot guns have a spread right yeah so what are they going to do how are they going to shoot this guy
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accurately if he does anything with him being surrounded by other officers in handcuffs oh no there's no shooting him
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they're shooting him and everybody around him that's how dangerous this guy is
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there'll be a casualties of the cops if if things go right you guys want to talk about the prison real quick because I'm
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sure when I lived in New Jersey I drove past that prison quite a few times in raw way I'm I'm sure you have as well
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Doug I grew up five minutes from there before you guys get on your New Jersey Love
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Fest I will say as the only Canadian out here on the West Coast this is I think the fifth movie in a row that New Jersey
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has featured in the film that we've covered I what is going on with Salone in New Jersey am I missing something about him as an actor that he does New
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Jersey films stop my Mumble shoot was New Jersey Copland definitely New Jersey
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this one's New Jersey what else did we do the specialist is there a jersey thing in the specialist I swear there
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was because I if not four out of the five so four out of the five films off the top of my head have dealt with New
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Jersey assassins there was no Jersey was it is one of those two one of those two did have it cuz it's been every film
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maybe about like a mention right it's either mention or something Jersey but anyways go on go on with your jersey
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jail talk there no I was just going to say you know it's always cool when you live near a movie location because
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that's a real prison I didn't redo all the research I did for the slidecast episode but I don't remember if they
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actually filmed inside of raw way du or if they just use the exteriors I think
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it was all on location yeah so they were they were filming with real inmates there's some trivia about
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the inmates too like they handpicked every day of shooting like 200 inmates yeah they got little bonuses like food
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spread and a $26 a day or something like that yeah they got paid extra wages and like the extras wages and they got
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donuts and food it was like a lottery draw or something each day and all those background prisoners are legit inmates
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and you could tell you can find actors look tough and then you can just get the guys that are prisoners in fact they had
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about 30 or 40 bodyguards in all the crowd at all times dressed as prisoners just to protect the extras and the real
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crew from these buers [ __ ] Weber that obviously had to be a a guy that's still
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serving life in prison right I mean yeah he was one of the
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extras okay we're gonna talk about well before we get to [ __ ] Weber I mean that prison I haven't driven by there in
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about four years now it still looks exactly the same as it did when they filmed lockup the building itself is the
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same it had a new paint job the Dome I think is red now instead really yeah I
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remember back in the 80s when I was a school boy in Carteret New Jersey which is the next town over from raway uh I
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remember when they were filming there because it was big news for our town you know that yeah our neighboring town was having a Sylvester Stallone film filmed
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in the prison and I remember that when I did see it as a kid I remember those exterior shots of the prison really hit
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home cuz I was like I know that that's I know that building I've been by there pretty cool yeah speaking of [ __ ] Weber
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Chuck webner who uh was supposed to be [ __ ] Weber and Rocky 2 was serving time
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in row state prison at the time that this was filming wow okay can of say something about Chuck Chuck webner that
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I'm getting tired of what's that this whole like he's the
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inspiration for Rocky old the inspiration he was an unknown boxer fighting the champion of the world Going
30:26
the Distance that's it oh yeah it's not like they took his life story but the spark of the inspiration
30:34
no offense to Chuck I don't think there's anything in Rocky's personality or his home life or anything that
30:39
represents who Chuck is he didn't even go to distance he got knocked out in the 15th or the 14th I think either he took
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Muhammad Ali further than Muhammad Ali been before and I think he knocked him down those are great elements and that's
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awesome that s now was Sly really in the crowd was he really in the crowd no no I
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mean it's no that's the story bro he was in the crowd that's that's the official story he was watching it from wherever
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he I didn't hear that he was in a crowd me and Ryan seem to have heard the same interview yeah he was broke wasn't he
31:12
how was he gonna for tiets to a Muhammad Ali fight well maybe broke maybe he uh rented out buas for the
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night I met Chuck webner a couple times I don't know if we've talked about it on this podcast I even talked about it on
31:25
slot cast I'm sure I have a girl I was dating her family was from Bon Chuck webner is
31:31
the Bon bleeder and her dad was actually good friends with Chuck webner family get togethers and stuff like that
31:37
birthdays Chuck and his wife Linda would come over so there were a couple of those gett togethers that I was at and
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uh have to see if I can dig it out there's a picture of me with Chuck and my ex-girlfriend's father and man Chuck
31:49
was just a immense immense dude I mean I'm not big by any stretch at least you know
31:56
vertically man he's got like those meaty meat hook hands and stuff but I I guess
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the sour spot that I have and I don't know him personally and I don't know everything about anything but I heard like he kind of got bitter about this
32:08
whole Rocky thing and even went out for some money on Sly and well the story is what that he was offered a flat payout
32:15
or a percentage of future earnings at the time nobody knew Rocky was going to
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become this movie that we were still talking about in 2019 so like any sensible person he took the guaranteed
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payout and I think he ended up feeling kind of bitter about the amount of money
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that he left on the table which you can't fault the guy for being angry about that right no but I guess I guess
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I didn't know if he needed to go through legal means I'm sure if he just had an as side with Stallone and you know I
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don't know said look man why don't we just do this like gentlemen I I don't know well like put up your
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dukes no like I mean imagine you're a guy like Sly and then all sudden you're dealing with everything like a gentleman
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and then you're paying out money to every Bozo that comes that's what I kind of feel like I feel like it's like
33:05
George Lucas getting sued by everyone because he he saw that what was that Samurai movie uh The Fortress it was the
33:12
Fortress The Fortress it was like this Japanese movie that he borrow the idea of the bumbling idiots or whatever which
33:19
was C3PO and R2-D2 or something like that and the save the world type thing well anyways the point is they're
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stealing an idea and there's a Genesis of an idea and I think anyways at the end of the day Rocky to me has got
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nothing to do with Chuck weer knife and I still have to I still have to see that movie The bleeder leer is called Chuck
33:38
or Chuck it's called different things in different countries for some reason he was arrested in 1985 with four ounces of
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cocaine and he he was sentenced to 10 years that seems like a lot for that's silly four ounces but yeah Jonathan
33:51
you're still in the show thanks brother yes so Jonathan correct us the Hidden Fortress okay all right so let's get back to lock up let's talk about mner as
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character so John Amos was on that TV show called good times did you guys ever watch those in reruns or whatever heck
34:04
yeah no dite man come on Dynamite she has a figure that makes the number eight
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look like the number one and a smile that lights up theight and it all
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belongs to kid
34:22
Dynamite you definitely watch that show what was his name Jimmy uh AJ Walker AJ
34:28
Walker yeah Walker Meisner the way he had those sunglasses and his his
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presence was just powerful and you could almost I wonder in another life he could
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have been a police captain or prison Captain I think he would have done well he's got the look yeah does anyone
34:44
remember his two rules well what don't piss off Meisner right he say don't cross Meisner close he gave Frank two
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rules coni two things one I am my
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to never f with M inside oh
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yeah yeah so that was great that was our introduction to Meisner so we're thinking boy Frank's gonna have a hard
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time with this Meisner guy yeah that's what I thought but we find out later that his true opponent or the true issue
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in the prison was of course [ __ ] what was his last name again uh Weber Weber [ __ ] Weber CH Weber that was sunny
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landom yes let's talk about let's talk about first the actor Sunny landom so he passed pass away in 2017 as well yeah
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congestive heart failure at the age of 76 so he was 48 in this film and I think he looked really good for 48 he was a he
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was a handsome big kind of guy and his voice that deep voice he has yeah it's such a menacing like he plays that bad
35:44
guy so well and he's an intimidating at least on screen he seems like an intimidating fellow Predator made quick
35:50
work of him though so he couldn't have been that tough I I've always been bothered by how quick the Predator
35:55
dispatches him off screen yeah we don't even get to see it it's like literally like 30 seconds he's like go I'll take
36:02
care of the predator and then you hear him scream like 4 seconds later that's it I think he also had a party in Kitty
36:09
and stud in his past didn't he did he uh I did read that he got his star in porn
36:16
nice I didn't see what but I I knew in 48 hours yeah you know I saw that movie
36:23
way younger than I should have the bad guys in that movie scared me he was a great heel or badman I thought he did a
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great job very intimidating did you know that Sunny ran for governor of Kentucky
36:35
in 2003 I do know he got into politics I couldn't remember what office he ran for though he lost that election he ran for
36:42
the 27th Senate State Senate District of Kentucky in 2004 then he announced a run
36:48
for the US Senate in 2008 until he went on a radio show and called for the
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genocide of Arabs and he was subsequently removed from the
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race oh man oh it's fantastic all right people don't know how to keep their
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mouth shut so he wanted the extermination so he was a villain to the
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end was he really Native American I believe he had part right part Cheroke
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or something like that yeah the other thing though is [ __ ] is a really complex character here sure more so
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probably on paper everything he's does from the moment he starts interacting with Frank is at the warden's Command
37:32
right yeah yeah yeah he's he's basically just doing he's doing what the warden is telling him to do yes now do you think
37:38
that he would have been naturally inclined to take that role at the prison otherwise this probably wasn't his first
37:45
rodeo doing this kind of thing for the warden so he even had a special jacket it's just interesting you know that
37:51
that's a character that you dismiss him pretty quickly as a black and white bad guy but there's a a layer of complexity
37:58
there when you look at the relationship between him and the warden and what he's being tasked to do and how that gets him
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to start doing worse and worse things to try and break Frank which it's just interesting you wonder how bad of a man
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he truly was it's just a cool character in my opinion and I thought I could rely on you Weber you won't be pushed cuz
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you're not pushing in the right place everyone has a weak spot Weber
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find his or I'll have to find a new yard you know that reveal it adds a layer of
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complexity um to that character that I think is really cool not knowing too much about this movie again watching it
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yesterday I thought with Frank kind of being able to deflect all that [ __ ] that
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Weber was giv him I thought there would eventually be some kind of like mutual respect between [ __ ] Weber towards
38:49
Frank but it like you said Craig it only got worse and worse yeah yeah and that Beatdown that Frank gave [ __ ] that was
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brutal that was that was some good violent fighting I thought Frank took a page out of Seagal's book right he wraps
39:03
the little 5B plate in the towel just starts going to town with it man handing
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out the slaps violence in this movie I can see what was rated R the violence was not comical like like in a comic
39:14
book Away by it was brutal like the impact that in this movie of the punches even the football game that violent
39:21
football game and the rain and the mud you felt those hits I noticed a couple things in this film Stallone in the
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trivia I saw in the film that he did a lot of the football stunts which in a way is a stunt getting hit tackled
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pushed around but the fight sequence between him and [ __ ] and then between
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him and Manley at the end of the movie oh yeah a lot of the ground scenes with him getting kicked in the face and stuff
39:44
was a stunt double so it's really weird that some of the stunt double scenes were very tame stunts compared to the
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football scenes so I I always found that weird but I heard he almost broke his leg though for real in that football sequence yeah some of those hits brutal
39:58
yeah speaking of the fight scenes the Foley in those fight scenes was
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ridiculous SS were terrible yes that's like a problem Hollywood had in that era of film making
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you know and Rocky was probably partially responsible for it man but everything just sounds thunderous
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[Applause]
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it's like the Foley people didn't remember what things actually sound like right yeah it is weird it sounds like
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every hit he's hitting like I don't know what the sound is like and it's that crunchy cracky the volume of the sound is so big
40:43
of every me four Army new in the face is going to have this big explosive sound it is kind of silly that did take me out
40:49
a little bit of the fight and and again I'll say about Sly no offense to him he's an action star absolutely he's got
40:56
a great presence on screen but his fighting techniques in the films have always been terrible and the fact it
41:01
wasn't until Expendables part one where he fought Steve Austin Krav Manga style
41:07
right or oh yeah with in ramble part three where he did the stick fighting so he has the ability Sly as a person to
41:14
train and obviously with the boxing moves he has a Grace to him that he can train with some sort of hand-to hand
41:19
style combat and we know I said it before with Matt Damon from the Bourne movies Matt Damon can't fight real life
41:26
but they made him look like he can I don't know why they didn't do that with Sly and more movies now they didn't do that much in the 80s and 90s they didn't
41:31
do that wasn't until like the Matrix where they kind of made fighting cool I think that's what the thing is Ryan if you weren't like a Bruce Lee or a Jackie
41:39
Chan or somebody that was or a Steven Seagal I just don't think audiences held
41:45
people to those standards and maybe the Matrix might have been the the movie that kind of broke it wide open and said
41:51
hey stop being lazy learn the moves bone had that Rocky fight in style
41:58
you know I think they wanted to display that punch that left hook or the you know the right cross as much as they
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could I was say he looks like a boxer when he throws that punch yeah and I will say again that final sequence of
42:10
him fighting those guards if you go back listen to The Sounds the after Dr they
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call it when they do the after ADR it's horrible they must have had Sly going the room just
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go I don't know like again it's 1989 it took me out of the movie a little bit
42:29
with that performance of this of the ADR of the fight sequence there's two characters we got to talk about still uh
42:35
I liked Eclipse again we have Eclipse with play by Frank McCrae what were the other three films that Frank McCrae was
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in with Sly fist Paradise Alley Rocky to yeah every time I see him on screen I
42:47
just want to give him a big hug yeah and he was 45 in this film and he was also a shorttime NFL player back in the ear
42:53
late 70s I think he's still alive this same year he a Bond movie as well he was in license to Kill nice hey Craig on
43:01
your weak of Rocky minute this year didn't we talk about him I believe so he was at the very he was The Meat House um
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yeah I got to let you go I'll go I'm working hard I'm going good yeah real
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good but we got a cut back on manp Power and you ain't got enough time in you know seniority how about if I take a cut
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and pay all right can't do it Union rules
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yeah hey Rock I gota lay Rock I gotta lay off Union rules even even in that scene you like the guy because he was
43:36
brck I'm sorry yeah telling you man you want to I just want to give that guy a hug every time I see him on screen man
43:41
he played a big part in this movie and I I loved loved him I can see why they call you Eclipse PR about 67 yeah I do
43:49
block a lot of son don't I that you do I do block a lot of sun
43:54
uh get over on that other team that's who you're playing for anyway get
43:59
on that other team you're playing for him anyway yeah right he was great on liners so yeah he comes around and gives
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Frank the job in the garage in the prison still interested in a job yeah I
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am uh I love the sequence and it's a montage sequence did you guys catch the building the car Montage oh yeah set to
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that song what was that song I can't remember [Music]
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yeah stranger in the black San I want to hop inside my car I got pict got Cy I'm
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a loable man and I can take you to the nearest star I'm your vehicle baby I'll
44:37
take you anywhere you want to go I your vehicle wmart but now
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[Music] I'm yeah anyways so yeah it wasn't it
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wasn't quite as good as Burning Heart or anything like that was it survivor no Survivor though does sing of the song at
44:58
the end and the closing credits yeah yeah not enough time in the world or end of the world or whatever that song was
45:04
called I think I remember end of the world or something like that oh it's horrible and the Survivor
45:11
singer the survive it's horrible it's a horrible song
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[Music] dude as if somebody laid my
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hand it seems I've hardly had to steal my course was
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planed and Destiny it guides us all and by it hand We rise and
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fall but only for a moment time enough to catch
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up it kind of remind me of First Blood at the ending it's a long
45:50
road put you're on your and it hurts so
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it's a long road when you're on your
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own and it hurts when they tear your dreams
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apart do you remember it's a horrible song Mane long road is not a horrible
46:18
song what's that long road is not a horrible song go back list that song
46:24
shall I sing it again I mean it's you made it horrible well even when I saw this movie as a kid I'm like why do we
46:30
have this Frank Sinatra wannabe singing the song at the end of a first Blood like we had this balls out fight and him
46:36
yelling and screaming at the end of this movie and now we got this it's a long so
46:42
you can so you can decompress after all the action you know ah they should have had the rocky
46:48
them they're leaving out the cuffs and the Rocky music I meant to say Rambo oh
46:53
too many Rocky Rambo Stu [Laughter]
47:02
so we got the car building Montage scene which was a lot of fun you know it was it was a light moment it was the lightest moment of the movie because now
47:09
everything's going to go poorly for the gang that was a great sequence though again this movie actually we haven't really talked about it but this movie
47:15
does a lot of great dramatic moments that I think play off well and haven't aged that poorly over 30 years well yeah
47:21
and they also show like the kind of person that Frank is he's a natural leader but at the same time he takes
47:28
first base under his wing yeah and even though this guy's basically got what
47:34
like three life sentences or something he's trying to connect with the guy and show him that there's still you know a
47:41
reason to sort of be a good guy and the the scene where he's pushing him around and says they're in Atlantic City and
47:48
helps him feel what that's like all right and turn left in 40 seconds okay I got
47:54
it place is jumping woo look at the action here check out those fine looking
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ladies yo honey want to come for a ride of my new car hey baby hey Frank they ain't responding don't worry about it do
48:06
that your tape when was the last time you in Atlanta City oh man I ain't never been there no you're there now what do
48:12
you think I don't know do I like it what does it resemble it's the best look around look at the lights the boardwalk
48:18
is jumping day and night It's Hot music you got these high rollers you got pards
48:25
yeah you got money yeah got gambling you got 10,000 cars girls hey baby want to
48:31
come for a ride in my new vehicle woo oh man yo that was great man oh this
48:37
Italian engine just blew a ride you're ready for Indianapolis kid you got to
48:42
touch um you just get a really good sense of Frank Leone as a character you
48:48
mentioned first B we haven't talked about him two things one it's a horrible name to have in prison
48:57
especially when you're a good-looking kid like this guy can you imagine my name's first space we'll change that
49:02
quickly make you a home run we'll call you a grand slam before the night's over oh anyways that was my
49:09
little joke there two it was play it was played by Larry Romano did you guys ever watch King of Queens love King of Queens
49:17
so yeah Larry Romano was on the first two or three seasons of King of Queens playing one Doug's friends he was written off the show I don't know
49:23
why yeah I don't either he was okay he was okay wasn't like that funny but he was kind of like an early Joey triani
49:29
type character so before friends you had the Larry Romano play that type of well King of Queens was after friends though
49:36
it was before Friends King of Queens no the first few seasons were no they must have been get out of town maybe in
49:45
Canada we're still waiting for xiles to show here that was that kind of type of
49:51
lovable Dopey character um and Joey triani did Joey triani marryed with
49:57
children remember he dated Kelly Bundy oh really oh yeah I do remember that and
50:02
he pretty much played the same character yeah Kelly Bundy for a second oh man I
50:09
knew at the age of 12 while she married with children that I was definitely straight that's all I'm saying yeah
50:16
dresses do it to you yeah though it's kind of weird watching now in my 40s and I'm like I don't think I can feel that
50:21
way anymore now I'm after Peggy in my mind because I'm 43 I love the Smashing up of that car
50:28
sequence to this day that sequence is heartbreaking it's hard to watch and I always wondered did they get a second
50:35
car was it a prop car because they smashed the crap out of that Mustang do
50:40
you know anything about what that car may may not been or usually in scenes like that don't they they would have
50:46
like the Mustang body on some other shitty chassis just to I hope I love
50:51
Mustangs and that was a beautiful car and when they hit that air filter part and it was spraying the radiator fluid
50:56
everywhere eclip started crying in the music and then got that great belt
51:02
buckle out of it though man hey Leone how you let belt bu boy yeah I know I
51:09
like to R souvenir that reminds me of you tell me what are you going to do
51:14
about it you mean 6 weeks in the hole killed your guts and your appetite it
51:22
ain't over you son of a [ __ ] yeah like my belt
51:29
boy yeah I love how he got the belt who put his belt together for him though well he's got all the resources of the
51:35
prison at his disposal right true yeah he used that shank to poke a
51:41
hole in his belt yeah there you go and then we had Meisner there even he was looking at this scene of he wasn't too
51:47
happy we start to see his heart soften a little bit for the pl of Frank in the gang and then Frank goes into the hole
51:54
for six weeks oh yeah he's suffer some brutality in there every hour when the
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light comes on you'll stand face the camera and state your name and number
52:05
name and number the only 510 face the camera name and number the only
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510 yeah woken up every hour on the hour Frank Leon 510 did you catch what he
52:19
said at the very end excuse me what what he said the very end to get beaten up there who Frank yeah like he was so
52:25
tired that he said something else I'm not sure maybe he goes he said Marilyn Monroe 35 or 37 I don't
52:35
know said yeah he said Marilyn maroe 35 36 I
52:44
don't know and then the guards come in because he gave us the wrong name a number this is probably after who knows
52:49
you know 10 12 two weeks of being sleep deprived he actually says as they were beating him up said he was only joking
52:56
oh really so he yeah he did it as a joke but he he was still drunk tired but he was just fooling around but he actually
53:02
mentions like as he's getting beat through crappy I was just joking my one takeaway the whole scene you know the
53:08
warden sees him working out in his cell so he cuts his portions in half so he won't even have the energy to do that
53:14
give Mr Leone half ration for the rest of his time yes sir good catch
53:19
incredible water asking for water which as we know
53:26
it show the the sadistic behavior of drum ghoul you know he's not even given water which is a basic human right for
53:31
any prisoner of course yeah we we haven't talked much about like his influence would he have had the
53:37
authority to to get that transfer like how would he have made that happen first talk about why was Frank in jail to
53:45
begin with yeah the guy that taught him how to work on cars got beat up by punks
53:51
Frank was a street kid he was on the streets we don't know when he entered the streets but at 14 he was a street
53:57
kid and this guy I forget his name the one we seen the pictures this older gentleman took him under his wing said
54:04
hey why do you come work at my garage and became a father figure to Frank you sure know your way around an
54:11
engine who taught you this old man oldet took me off the street when I was
54:18
14 years old told me I could do something besides hanging out on Corners all the time is that who you broke out
54:24
for yeah I ow him tell me what put you in the uh joint in the first place well
54:30
one night these punks broke into the garage and put a beating on Old Man glti and the whole neighborhood knew about it
54:36
cops knew about it but I guess these punks were connected so uh the cops didn't do anything and I did so after
54:43
all the smoke had cleared these guys ended up in the hospital and I ended up doing 18 months in treadmore for
54:50
aggravated and sometime later some street thugs beat the crap out of this
54:55
older Gent and the cops didn't do anything about it so Frank took Justice into his own hands
55:01
and beat the crap out of the guys that beat the crap out of the old man and he got arrested for it so he went to jail
55:08
and then the old man that took care of him passed away while he was in jail he asked the warden at the time
55:14
which was drum gou hey can I go see this can I have some Furlow like we talked
55:19
about to go see this gentleman my the guy that raised me from teenage on can I go pay my respects to him while they
55:25
bury him drum go says no you're criminal you broke the law you don't remember do you I asked you no I I begged you drum
55:34
go do you remember that I had 2 weeks to go before I was released and all I asked for is 1 Hour 1 hour to visit with that
55:41
old man before he died do you remember that I was doing my job there's a lot of ways to do your job I mean you could
55:47
have given me an escorted leave you could have had armed guards you should have done that for me you broke the law
55:53
you broke the law and I was punished I five goddamn years and I PID my debt to
55:58
the state not to me but you're going to uh you will not be going out and then he
56:03
escapes prison in the meantime to go see the funeral but gets caught the uh justice system took Mercy on Frank and
56:12
not the warden and drum gou was embarrassed by this by his cohorts or whatever that this Criminal Who not only
56:18
escaped prison under drum gouls watch but at the same time he didn't get in
56:24
trouble for it it's nearly five years since escaped from tread morr time flies when you having have fun in all the
56:30
years that I was Warden there you're the only man that ever made it over my wall
56:35
I saw I read in the papers yes of course you did you and your lawyers saw to it that everything made it into the papers
56:41
didn't you the media yeah distorting the truth distorting the facts making a criminal
56:48
into a hero and a warden into a criminal you took my future away from me you and
56:54
those bleeding heart politician they sent you to Norwood that's a country club I ended up here in Gateway the
57:01
worst [ __ ] hole in the system they made him a hero and they made drum goul look like the bad guy that's right uh so drum
57:08
gou got sent to this crappy prison in New Jersey as um I say it's punishment
57:13
but as a transfer it's a crappier prison while Frank is to spend whatever left whatever time he has left in jail and
57:20
then uh drum Go's like oh I got to get payback for this guy and the idea for drum go was I'm going to break him I'm
57:27
going to make him break the law while he's in jail that way he'll stay here longer and I'll make his life a living hell and he'll give him the guide a tour
57:32
and all that stuff happens all I know is I've only got 6 months left on my sentence in Gateway 6 months could be a
57:38
lifetime Anything could happen this is a hard time Frank you have no rights here unless I give them to you you feel no
57:45
pleasure unless I tell you you can this is hell I'm going to give you the guided tour how's that for a recap of why this
57:52
is all happening don't even have to watch the movie yeah exactly well I think it's important for any of our
57:57
listeners who have probably have seen the movie cuz even I kind of forgot why is Frank in jail and they did they did explain it of course it does it's not
58:03
really over explained it's done into a quick conversation that he has with the clips and that's it and also at the
58:09
beginning of the movie we find out he only has six months left in his sentence so when drum ghoul has him transferred
58:15
to this Max security prison this hell he promises Frank that he's going to make that six months hell for him he's
58:22
getting the crap kicked out of him for same marily Monroe meiser comes in and tells him to stop beating them
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up that's enough who Ed this Lord Manley that big
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white guy with the bad hair and it's kind of tubby right uh Manley says
58:43
something snarky to Meisner and my favorite moment in the film was from Meisner when he says let me quote here I
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just got written down just make sure I got it here so Meisner Captain Meer says this to manle he
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says and you you get the hell out of my sight before I shine my boots with your face you fat piece of
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[ __ ] I love that moment now we don't hear that anymore do we hear the POS
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statement of films anymore no that's that's a heavy hitter too yeah I bet you that I know Stallone didn't get a
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writing credit on it but I bet you that line was written by Stallone well the guy that played Manley what he's kind of
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tight cting these roles I've seen him in other stuff where he plays that creepy dirt B type of character I love that you
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fat piece of [ __ ] like you don't hear you don't he like when is the last
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time that has been said in the film I say it a lot not necessarily fat part but I call
59:43
people a POS quite regularly it's usually behind their back it's actually a brutal insult like you just don't hear
59:49
it anymore it's it's like one step below scumbag I think it might be above
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scumbag myself but yeah do you know the origins of the word scumbag no off AIR research it
1:00:03
okay well I have to do it off air I go okay yeah fair enough yeah it's got
1:00:08
something to do with the scrotum I'm sure you're you're a smart
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man oh I'm gonna call some of a scumbag for now on because it's like I had no
1:00:23
idea I love it he is like the typical kind of hides behind his badge he's only
1:00:30
got balls because he's protected by other guards and by his badge he knows
1:00:36
that if any prisoners step to him then's gonna have 100 guards on his back that's why he gets off being an [ __ ] but
1:00:42
he's real probably a wussy in real life sounds cliche but he's your typical bully and he's got the back end of the
1:00:48
warden the he's got cart blanch when it comes to Frank so then we have the sequence here after the cars been broken
1:00:56
up and Frank has been in the hole for 6 weeks he comes back to the gang and looking at the car damage and the
1:01:02
comment is made like you know our leader back type thing and St is a pretty good speech here which is kind of reminiscent
1:01:07
of the end of first Blood speaking of first blood that t same type of like when he gets old crying about the body
1:01:13
parts everywhere and but he's yelling at these guys and I love it when how SCE
1:01:18
says it's his what you think this is your car this
1:01:23
ain't your car this a war in this car what do you think did you think the Jak whoever did this drum gold did this come
1:01:32
on what's what you think when we got this car together that we were going to take our dates out in it is that what
1:01:38
you thought maybe rotate on weekends hey Ernie why don't you take a Friday in Dallas why don't you think it's Saturday
1:01:44
in Eclipse you got it Sunday is that what you thought huh it's his this LIF
1:01:51
is this tools are his the garage is his this whole goddamn place is his
1:01:57
and you better remember that too because once you start buying into this R Car our thing concept man you're his
1:02:05
too it's his I think I if I recall correctly and
1:02:12
Jeff huet I think pointed it out on our slly cast episode though that like his voice like his voice even cracks he
1:02:18
really vocally got the essence of that line and the delivery it's kind of funny
1:02:23
I mean I I love Sly but when he starts to yell and stuff it does slur a little bit we know that comes from his speech ofen comes from you know when he was
1:02:30
taken out of his mother's womb with forets that wrecked the nerve in his
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face but do we even know if that's true I don't know anything anymore Say Jimmy
1:02:41
gambina yeah between Jimmy gab mikuna telling us the the origin story
1:02:47
of Rocky is not true I don't know what to believe anymore but uh uh the speech though was really good because he's
1:02:52
talking about prison how nothing here is ours you know just do your time enjoy the moments you have but the idea we're
1:02:57
not a gang this isn't like some TV show you know we're prisoners this whole the
1:03:03
warden owns us and I I love how even the character Frank here he he takes the fantasy away and know at the end day the
1:03:09
warden owns US you don't have to like it but that's prison then we get to uh the
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first base death the death of first base and even to this day that death is brutal it's a brutal death sequence yeah
1:03:23
I I actually thought they were going to be more graphic with it and I'm glad they showed some restraint I thought they were going to show like like a with
1:03:29
the barbell right across his neck or something at least they only smashed it on his chest they smashed on his chest but to but even to this day and I knew
1:03:36
it was coming like when they dropped that weight on his chest this fillmed really well because you know of course sound effects and stuff you know you add
1:03:43
the crunchy sound but you know they drop whatever is they probably it's probably a styrofoam bar that hits his chest but
1:03:49
when that bar drops on the actor's chest and you hear the crunching sound you're just like oh you just could imagine the
1:03:54
kind of pain that that would have been it was roughly 300 pounds that they dropped on him yeah and again this is
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one of those things where [ __ ] at that point realizes the only way that he's
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gonna break Frank or make Frank act out of turn is to kill somebody it's a real
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drastic measure so Doug you hadn't seen this in a while so I'm GNA ask you first off before we get leave the death scene
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did you catch who was holding first base right leg his right leg no I did not
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Danny tro yep oh was it yeah I saw that he had a cameo I don't even know if it
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was a cameo at this point he was probably still in prison during the film of this movie yeah I saw that he was in
1:04:37
it but I didn't see where yeah that's where he was holding uh holding first bases right leg there that was his
1:04:43
little moment screen but uh Danny TR was is an EXC convict but obviously a great guy and he's made he's made amends to
1:04:49
society now he's having a good life acting the movie and it actually has a pretty cool dco joint in California oh
1:04:54
cool yeah cool so Doug I'm going to ask you as a first time viewer in a way did you remember what was going to happen
1:05:01
after that sequence how Frank was going to react and the result of it I I remember the fight between vaguely
1:05:08
remember the fight between him and [ __ ] I remember him going after him in in the prison yard yeah that was a great moment
1:05:14
because even as a viewer we're kind of tired of Frankie pushed around like we're getting tired of this and so there's this weird release that we even
1:05:20
has have as a viewer even though it's going to get him in trouble we're like yes finally just beat the crap out of
1:05:25
guy and so when he grabs that weight puts in the towel and he goes over and he clocks that one prisoner right in the
1:05:31
face like the one of the one of the chink's men just boom I love that moment
1:05:37
and then their their fight in the in the yard is brutal they're rolling around the mud throwing punches at each other
1:05:42
and he keeps saying I'm gonna kill you I'm gonna kill you I'm gonna kill you yeah to a [ __ ] and he's pulverizing
1:05:48
what I love is he doesn't hold back and the punches on the ground and he's breaking his face open then he like a
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rag doll throws him on the bench and he's going to kill kill at that moment we think he's going to kill [ __ ] the
1:05:58
same way that first basers got killed I'm like yeah Justice man Sly did a really good job fa as he always does
1:06:04
with that face acting that he does holding that weight deciding is he gonna drop this or not I don't know I I like
1:06:10
that whole moment and uh when they killed first base there was three guys there was one on each side of the bar
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and then [ __ ] was holding the bar over first base yeah yeah yeah he spot he a terrible spotter but Frank grabbed the
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barbell all by himself so I guess suppos to be in awe at us Sylvester's theone
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strengthen that well aren't we always in awe well yes yes that is a fact I'm sure
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you get some good drum ghoul um nose hair in that scene Ryan when he's watching we get the nose hair sequence
1:06:40
when he's uh strapped to the electric chair light his face yeah yeah drung wants him to kill [ __ ] saying do it do
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it of course cuz now it's like he's yeah he's like yeah kill [ __ ] for me and
1:06:53
you'll be in here forever you know Murder yep the villains in this movie are so there's a lot of depth there
1:06:59
because you have to wonder at what point did all it take was for Frank escaping
1:07:05
to bring that out of drum ghoul or was it just years of being exposed to the
1:07:13
worst of humanity was he ever a good man or not and I mean like he became a warden so obviously there had to be
1:07:20
something there so I mean the villains in this movie are just they're effing great agreed agreed all these characters
1:07:27
are flushed out pretty nicely and yeah we don't know the whole history of drum ghoul why he is the way he is but something you know what I personally
1:07:32
work with people that are nice people I work with people that aren't that nice and some of us are prisoners some of us
1:07:37
are prison guards some of us are wardens and just the personalities they exist in all of us and I do think that they crank
1:07:44
up the evil on these old movies because I don't really truly
1:07:50
exists well yeah yeah well it's a movie it's played up you got an hour and a half to tell story here you
1:07:55
we don't have a 10 episode Arc to get behind their motives or why are they the way they are reviewing analyzing a movie
1:08:02
minute by minute has ruined movies for me for good because every movie I I look
1:08:08
at with a like a very analytical eye I hear you speaking of which I I wonder what movie I would love to do minute by
1:08:13
minute I have a couple in my mind that I would love to do just like we you guys talked about that in one of your last episodes where like people have some
1:08:18
ideas they don't want to share it because they want now we get to the ending act here
1:08:24
where Frank is he's been shanked he's now in recovery and his wife is allowed
1:08:30
to have a visit a half hour visit with Frank after his recovery and we're led to believe they're gonna have a conjugal
1:08:35
visit yeah they put the little barrier can you guys pull it off with
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your significant other in a hospital bed with a curtain separating you and the guards how long has it
1:08:47
been well I won't need 30 minutes but the way that they have it set up you know they're going to with them so yeah
1:08:54
you almost have to assume that Frank was heavily medicated to not realize that
1:08:59
they were G to [ __ ] with him you can understand the wife or the girlfriend being kind of taken aback by it but yeah
1:09:06
I just find it surprising I'm not approved by any stretch of the imagination but I would have been like I honey I can't they're literally behind
1:09:13
the curtain I can't even pee when someone standing next to me let let them perform with a bed sheet between me and
1:09:18
the audience I don't remember where I saw this but isn't there a movie where they have like the conjugal visit in
1:09:24
like a separate little apartment yeah yeah I've seen that too I've seen that too in shows or movies I've seen that
1:09:30
yeah it's like a little like a trailer like a screwing trailer like rested development they have like a little yeah
1:09:37
that's probably where I saw it yeah that's exactly right that's what I'm thinking them that's hilarious so of
1:09:43
course they pull back the curtain you know they say okay visit's over and blah blah blah this is where the movie gets really dark man there's been some dark
1:09:50
stuff in this movie yes but man it gets dark so what do Craig what don't you talk about the scene there that I think
1:09:56
you're referring to well they basically break up the uh the kius yep it's it's
1:10:02
true koitis interrupt this I don't even remember what the bridge scene is but we have Frank is in
1:10:09
a cell and another inmate is on the other side and he's getting ready to to
1:10:16
be released yeah and he talks about how the what he he straight up says the
1:10:21
warden's giv him an assignment I don't think it was the warden he said he he got a job okay yeah like he's going yeah
1:10:29
he's going back to Crime even after he leaves he's got some job yeah and then he reveals that he's gonna go pay
1:10:36
Frank's girlfriend a visit and rape her
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just come here I know you no you don't know me
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Frank but I know you how was it treemo with you he black
1:10:55
radmo don't have an a black that's right we got something else in common yeah
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what's that we both getting out soon you in a few weeks me I'm gone day after
1:11:09
tomorrow what happened to you one beaten too
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many so there's some hard time in this place we both have am I
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right yeah you're right about that hey you need anything when I get out you can't
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get you anything no I'm wor thanks I'm just
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lucky I guess I got a job lined up when I get out it's just temporary you know but it
1:11:38
pays about a grand for 2 hours work that's not bad is it what do you got to
1:11:46
do I just got to rape this [ __ ] I get an extra hundred every time she screams
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I you that I'll you time Frank CH says hello you touching your dead hey
1:12:00
M go somebody M yeah it's a it's a great sequence because he goes over picture oh
1:12:08
that's a great reveal and the guy steps out of the wheelchair and that guy's creepy man he is perfectly cast he
1:12:15
reminded me of the what's his name from Cobra Deville in a little bit he had like oh yeah like he looked evil that
1:12:22
guy looked evil he that look my question is this guy had a ponytail right so we
1:12:29
find out later that he's a he's a fellow prison guard are they allowed to have ponytails these guards did he have a
1:12:35
yeah I didn't see that I don't know the prison Personnel is more they're more liberal with their grooming policy are
1:12:42
they it kind of seems like all bets might be off in that prison too it's yeah especially there so yeah now we
1:12:48
have uh Frank thinking I got to get out of this prison so now here's the Escape
1:12:53
number two under drum goul that's going to happen did anyone think that Dallas
1:12:59
was going to portray did anyone see that coming it was good and it was bad because they don't Telegraph it at all
1:13:04
and a lot of times some viewers get annoyed by not being able to figure
1:13:10
something out now Doug did you remember that the Betrayal was coming no that was new to me yeah yesterday it surprised me
1:13:16
we've all seen the six cense right right so when they do the big reveal at the end of the six sense you think back on
1:13:23
the movie and you say here's all the clues that I missed but he wasn't in on
1:13:29
it that's why he wasn't in on this betrayal until like probably the day before he was always on his so it was a
1:13:35
true like Judas kiss because it was the night of he got the 40 Silver he was just made this deal but because a warden
1:13:41
just lost his biggest guy his yard lost no so so what happened so Frank determines he needs to break out he's
1:13:48
gonna ask Tom seore for help at that point does Tom seore go to the warden
1:13:53
and offer that information up no I think he was approached he was approached because he said the warden offered me
1:14:00
leniency on my sentence so when would the warden have offered that though the the rape threat to his girlfriend was
1:14:07
planned by the warden unauthorized by the warden and the warden knew look
1:14:13
he's he's gonna want to escape like he's done before I will get somebody I can buy off from his gang that he'll trust
1:14:20
and that's probably how he saw it like hey Frank's going to come to you asking you for help to break out when he does
1:14:27
lead him to this area and I'll get time off your sentence cuz there's that remember the sequence where he says to
1:14:33
Frank there when he's been caught and Tomas seber does a great job here where he says that 30 years I'm sorry man you
1:14:41
want my ticket out of here I'm
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sorry you had me set up the whole time
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not the whole time I got 30 years to go man 30
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years won made me a deal dumb dumb Bast he made me a deal
1:15:07
man a deal we don't make deals with escaping prisoners I love how he says that 30
1:15:13
years sequence but you could see the pain on his face where both the pain that he betrayed his friend but also
1:15:18
like he's got 30 years in this joint what would you do and even Frank's kind of like uh what no this is prison life
1:15:25
at first he wasn't as apologetic as I think he should have been okay because he was like you know you told me from
1:15:31
day one don't trust anyone DTA DTA Frank is that what you po me man DTA you know
1:15:38
instead of being like I'm sorry I had to do this to you but I got yeah I guess
1:15:44
yeah he could have been scared he at that moment he still had the power of the warden behind him hiding behind his
1:15:49
deal with the warden like you know dude you said don't trust anybody you know what what else you want me to do I've got 30 years left here but then the
1:15:55
turnar around where he gets betrayed by the warden oh man like and then you feel sorry for the guy again you know yeah
1:16:01
yep he lost I didn't feel sorry for him I didn't man I'm sorry he did him so
1:16:08
dirty but I did love drum ghoul there where he's like how can I explain this
1:16:13
there's no way you can get any kind of deal here like yeah shortly there after
1:16:19
Dallas played by Tom seore he electrocutes himself to kill the prisoner guard s prison guard yeah
1:16:26
that's the only way you can do that cuz we know that Frank in the movie can't kill anybody or else he's he's not getting out of jail we as an audience
1:16:32
get the satisfaction of that manly guy finally getting his come up and with a proper death yeah this is another one of
1:16:38
those movies that a lot of movies sort of suffers from it's like the race to the end it almost feels like they
1:16:44
compressed the last 25 minutes of this movie into 10 minutes because they built
1:16:49
so much time up front right creating you know introducing the characters and creating the world and sort of doing all
1:16:56
of the storytelling that we needed to be done but you also didn't want to make this over two hours I actually thought
1:17:02
that too I hadn't seen this movie like I said in 10 maybe 15 years and I as I was watching it even though it had an hour
1:17:08
and 45 minute runtime I was like holy they're getting to sequences quicker than I remember they got to plot points
1:17:14
faster than I thought they were going to get there so yeah did almost the whole movie seemed not rushed but so I guess
1:17:20
you're not bored because he hit a lot of points very quickly there's not really any law moments so there aren't any bathroom break moments in this movie and
1:17:28
I didn't think they spent too much time on one scene you know I think everything flowed nicely I thought yeah no you're
1:17:35
right yeah but the end it gets a little bit you know action packing but you know he's climbing pipes and climbing the
1:17:40
wall and jumping you know the spotlight just misses him so gets a little bit a little
1:17:46
bit action at the end there and did anyone catch when he enters the room the drum Gos in did anyone catch the nod to
1:17:52
First Blood H what was that sheriff's name again I keep forgetting teasel teasel so remember when he caught teasel
1:17:58
in the forest and he puts a knife to his throat you know I'll give you a nightmare that you'll never forget and
1:18:05
then he does the same thing he puts a knife to uh the warden's throat here as well and basically says you know you're
1:18:10
the one that drew first blood on me buddy like I didn't want this fight and now here we are I thought it was very
1:18:16
similar nod there the knife to throw with the guy who's in Authority that should be a good guy that's not a good
1:18:21
guy causing the issue here [Music]
1:18:27
you won't get away with it you know that don't you I could have got out I'm not
1:18:34
going to spend my life running from you you think that's an
1:18:41
intentional nod maybe not but it's this the first thing that came to my mind like I don't know why I never noticed
1:18:47
that before even as a young viewer that right away I saw the knife to the Thro with the authority figure that's that's
1:18:52
pushing that's pushing this character to do things that he doesn't want to do so I I caught it maybe nobody else did but
1:18:58
maybe it wasn't intentional I don't know so we got the electric chair scene and
1:19:03
we knew this was going to come into play when this was introduced at the beginning of the film you know this chair is going to somehow come into play
1:19:09
and again this was done really well because we don't know what's going to happen we you know we feel like extort
1:19:16
this uh confession from the warden and I remember even watching it we like even if he says something how does that matter but you know we have the
1:19:22
witnesses lined up as they as they said drum go admits that yes I was you know
1:19:27
this all set up I'm glad you're here Meer this wouldn't be official without Witnesses he's trying to get me to take
1:19:33
responsibility for his escape attempt just like before I don't want to confession you set me up you set
1:19:39
everything up I don't know what you're talking about I'm talking about chick Weber the goons the cop that was going
1:19:45
to rap Melissa Dallas the killing of the kid J you on all counts prove it prove
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it Frank that's your a problem you can't prove anything I don't have to prove
1:19:59
nothing I came here for an execution I I demand to be released from here no no
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don't do it Leon don't do it take it easy pay back F it's true I confess I
1:20:17
confess Mr Meisner everything that he said was true I set him up every
1:20:26
but I love how Frank has his hand wrapped around the lever even if the
1:20:31
cops chase him or shoot him he just falls down that lever is gonna go off and kill the warden so that's actually a
1:20:36
great and it seems silly but it's just the idea to remember to write this you know in the movie like hey even if the
1:20:42
cops come and shoot me I'm gonna fall down with his lever in my hands the cops can't approach him or shoot him it's a
1:20:47
good little standoff yeah yeah when they first met in the electric chair room
1:20:54
drum go says you know the warden would come down sorry guys he says the warden would
1:21:01
come down a path right from his office through that door so that was obviously the door that Frank brought him right so
1:21:09
they wouldn't be found if he trucks him through the prison you know obviously people are going to see him but if he
1:21:14
takes him in that secret passage he can strap him to the electric chair and nobody will know right again I'm going
1:21:20
to ask you because it's kind of like your first time view do you remember what do you remember what was going to happen no I don't remember any of this
1:21:26
okay crazy the stuff that I remembered from it from seeing it all those years ago I don't but this was another one I
1:21:33
was like on the edge of my seat is he gonna do it is he gonna electrocute him that's great yeah it drew you in like
1:21:39
you weren't uh you didn't think it was silly no I loved it I love this scene what about you Craig how do you like
1:21:45
this final sequence oh it's great I mean the only thing that you're left wondering is what kind of Defense drum
1:21:51
ghoul created in court right his confession coerced I almost wonder like
1:21:57
what drum ghoul's ultimate punishment was was he fired did he end up doing jail time well I think with Captain
1:22:04
meisner's he's probably a pretty stalwart prison captain and I would suspect that there's enough Witnesses of
1:22:11
all this you know because they even use prisoners as witness they would have a prisoners lined up saying this guy was a
1:22:16
yeah we're prisoners but this guy was breaking the law on us as prisoners all the time so where's the Law and Order episode with drum ghoul right d dong
1:22:25
but the whole sequence you know the performance the the way it's filmed and edited the music it's just a great
1:22:31
sequence that leads to ultimately that reveal that he's got the main component for that to make that electric chair
1:22:38
work and then we uh segue to the final moment where Frank Leon's out of jail
1:22:43
and the whole prison guard is there to cheer him on you know hey welcome byebye good luck good luck and I thought I
1:22:50
thought it was interesting because we know it's the character that's being cheered on as he leaves jail but I think
1:22:56
there there's two things that makes it kind of so realistic because they all know this is the guy this is the prisoner that got rid of the warden mhm
1:23:03
the warden was was a jerk to the whole prison it wasn't just Frank he was not a good Warden to be around they were
1:23:08
cheering kind of a hero of the prison I would say and also though it was kind of
1:23:13
life and art at the same time because it was also the actors who got to be on this film probably was like a last day
1:23:19
of shooting they were kind of cheering Stallone yeah yeah because if you watch
1:23:24
the faces of these extras they're all extras you can tell but you tell these are real prisoners and they're they're
1:23:29
kind of cheering being on the film and cheering Stallone as he leaves the prison this was probably the last day of
1:23:35
shooting yeah it had that feel definitely had like a a sendoff kind of feel I I know it's supposed to feel that
1:23:41
way for the movie but I believe it man that yeah that's all the real prisoners gather it around and that great moment
1:23:48
there where Frank goes you know what I'm going to miss about you the most there Captain Miser you know what I'm going to miss the most about your captain
1:23:55
what's that your incredible [Music]
1:24:03
smile take care of yourself thanks Kevin and even Myer Smiles it's classic
1:24:10
80s late 80s I Trope but it was good they smil did you catch what Meer said
1:24:16
at the end there with the last two words of the of the movie are lock up lock
1:24:22
them okay yeah I never caught until this viewing but when Myer yells he yells
1:24:27
lock up Craig's trying to talk but he's on
1:24:35
mute I said Doug we got to remember these questions that Ryan asks every episode I gotta start taking a notepad
1:24:42
and pencil I know you tried stumping us I don't think it's fair no I'm not trying to stump you I'm actually just I
1:24:48
thought you guys were going to catch that too it's like I'm going to write this down even wrote big letters here see right here lock
1:24:55
exavation Mark exavation Mark I usually do notice when they say like they the
1:25:00
name of the movie in the movie because it's like oh they did that thing because it's a thing yeah wasn't there a game
1:25:06
did you guys talk about it where you watch a movie and you stop watching the movie when they say the name of the movie this movie you could do the whole
1:25:12
way through yeah or you just set an over under yeah right so did you catch the
1:25:18
the ending here the credits we had a film Montage again of the film that we just saw a picture Montage yeah yeah
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yeah is that a Stallone thing is that him Rocky 3 which Rocky was that in all
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of them what do you mean which one Rocky five does It Rocky four does it maybe no
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maybe it's Rocky oh yeah yeah yeah I it's like instant Nostalgia so Rocky four does it for sure because Ruben and
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I just finished covering Rocky 4 on our show and we and they did they did the black and white photo montage right at
1:25:46
the end of the film there yeah and then Rocky five does the whole series Montage because at that time they thought this
1:25:51
was the final film over the measure of Man by John and then uh this one we've
1:25:56
got Survivor and the singer of this Survivor by the way is different than the Eye of the Tiger Survivor yes yeah
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and I believe that singer died within the last year or two as well yeah he's a
1:26:08
terrible Survivor oh my God let me uh
1:26:14
yeah blooded I was waiting for some to bring that up so I
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that uh oh by the way uh Ryan sir
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friends debuted in 1994 K the queen debuted in
1:26:33
1998 well poo on you all right fair enough I can't believe 1994 e wow all
1:26:39
right fair enough okay well King of Queens is actually still funnier than friends I'm sorry and I like Jimmy Jameson from
1:26:48
Survivor died in 2014 so they're both dead which I tiger
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sing oh no no the second singer passed the singer from from this movie yeah he was on three or four albums with
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Survivor yeah you change a singer it really changes the whole shape of the band so Jim Jameson that his name Jimmy
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Jimmy Jameson yeah Jim yeah so he did The Burning Heart song you could tell it's a different s he did Burning Heart
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but the other singer did Eye of the Tiger so same band different singer it's kind of weird yeah yeah Rotten Tomato of
1:27:19
course gave this 17% which is stupid but Cinema score is the industry leader in
1:27:25
measuring movie appeal among theater audiences and since 78 Cinema score has been pulling movie gos at Major movie
1:27:32
releases on opening night to collect demographic information and calculate a distinctive Cinema score grade so
1:27:38
audiences rated this movie guess out of a letter grade guess opening night B
1:27:44
minus I say d B+ the audiences yes so it
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was only the critics that hated this that's right and that's what I don't understand is like it's a good Stallone
1:27:55
film so people that went to this movie opening at night like people like me at the age of 14 15 20 whatever they were
1:28:01
they had the cinema score people say hey what you think the movie I can only imagine they would have come say that was a lot of fun that was a good movie
1:28:07
it's not silly in any way but some critics were saying uh that the movie was like laughable where stop him my
1:28:14
mumbl shoot yes assassins yes there was nothing laughable about stoping my mom will
1:28:20
shoot yeah it was but you get what I'm I'm saying though I don't know why Sly is so ragged
1:28:27
on it's weird one of the great Mysteries I just think people love to hate Stallone and I I I know I don't
1:28:33
understand why it is kind of weird did you read anything Ryan about they're not
1:28:39
having a finished script for this oh go ahead and talk about that they had the star the director and the theme but no
1:28:44
script wasn't Stallone up against the window or something didn't he have to go film another movie so they only had him
1:28:51
for a certain amount of time I know Tang came out the same year yeah which also
1:28:56
got a Razzi for worst pict I mean that would be the only reason you'd start filming a movie without a finished script is if you had a a window you had
1:29:03
to work within well I want to read a little interview from the director John Flynn uh so John Flynn the director was
1:29:10
going around scouting prisons we finally had one in Rowe New Jersey Jeb and Henry Jeb was the writer Henry were they
1:29:17
co-writers yeah yeah there was three writers on the film Jeb and Henry were writing the script as we were making the movie new pages would come in every day
1:29:24
there was one day when I was on the third tier of a cell block and raway Penitentiary and I had nothing to shoot
1:29:30
I had my movie star all these extras in the great location and the pages were on their way so we sat around and bullshitted with the prisoners that's
1:29:37
crazy while they were waiting for the script to get there so I give credit here where credits do it's usually a bad
1:29:43
sign when this is the movie making process because you hear about this all the time this this is not uncommon in
1:29:49
the movie world where they're literally getting screenplay scripts like the day of shooting the fact that they pulled
1:29:54
out a non- clunky well-directed movie is we should give credit to John Flynn who
1:30:00
directed and orchestrated this film to make it fluid I think it was edited well
1:30:05
the scenes were well filmed and well lit I really love this film if can't remember I did this podcast with the
1:30:12
podcast that's defunct now but it was like the top six podcasts I believe I
1:30:17
picked lockup was my favorite film of salon's career that's a non- rocky Rambo film and if it wasn't lock up was
1:30:24
Cliffhanger was one of the two but this is in the top two I it's hard to find a Stallone vehicle that kind of does what
1:30:30
this movie does it hits all the right beats got the right amount of action right amount of drama it's got a good
1:30:36
bad guy it's got twists you don't know where things are coming it's got emotion like during the the car breakup scene I
1:30:42
get choked up like that that's good direction a car is being broken up because you recognize what's been put
1:30:47
into this vehicle and to see it destroyed on screen it's heartbreaking I love this film I I give it an a I give
1:30:52
it an absolutely an a I think B+ is more than fair so I I give it an a it's it's
1:30:58
a movie that I could watch any time I would have no problem watching this film and this is another one of those movies
1:31:04
where it could have been a fork in Stallone's acting road and it could have been a performance that allowed him to
1:31:11
Pivot and for whatever reason right he went in a different direction but this is another one of
1:31:18
those movies that you'd stack up there with the Stallone acting movies you rank
1:31:24
it up there with Copland you can rank it up there with fist you can rank it up there with Spy Kids 3D game Over
1:31:31
um stop it this is one of those movies you'd hand to a non Stalone fan and say here this is what he can
1:31:38
do yeah I I know and if they're an objective viewer you can't deny it
1:31:44
that's G be our constant griping about Sly is why don't you do more of this anyways yeah I mean it's not his typical
1:31:51
shoot him up like he plays a cop going after a Guy where there's a ton of collateral damage and car chases and
1:31:57
stuff this is just a good dramatic movie this isn't an action film no not at all
1:32:03
not until you shimmy Shimmy's down those pipes yeah the shimmy slide couple of
1:32:09
times he does some some good hardcore flexing but you know that's that's it it's not gratuitous in any way no I
1:32:15
don't know I I enjoyed it I really did like this film and I can't believe that the critics killed it the way they did
1:32:21
177% fresh like come on settle down it's a good film I don't anyways we
1:32:26
don't care about critics just us all right well why don't we uh close up as we always do whenever I get off my butt
1:32:33
and decide to finish editing uh there will be new episodes of the slidecast including two-part 4 plus hour cre 2
1:32:40
discussion that includes myself Doug Ryan Mike kunda Sean from the I must
1:32:45
break this podcast podcast fingers cross that's coming out this weekend it was just an amazing discussion with
1:32:52
everybody it was like and the cool thing about our discussion Ryan is you already listened to my discussion with Shan on I
1:32:58
must break this podcast so you were able to directly speak to me about things
1:33:04
from that discussion so it's going to make for a really good two-part listening experience and I'm really
1:33:10
excited to um to share it because it's a super episode there's some real podcast
1:33:16
Heavy Hitters and there's some really great discussions and every discussion I loved and they're all me deep meeting
1:33:23
discussions I think me and you Ryan we what were like oh we just do a quick 10minute sort of whatever and then we
1:33:30
ended up going what 40 minutes or something me and Doug went 40 minutes I went 40 minutes with kunda it's going to
1:33:35
be fun and we also have Judge Dread that's sitting on the shelf waiting to be released after the Creed super
1:33:40
special um so the goal this year is to release more slidecast episodes get closer and closer to that straight to
1:33:46
video hell that we all can't wait to hear oh I
1:33:52
know but yeah you can find us at the regular places uh SL the sly cast on Facebook or on Twitter my Twitter handle
1:33:58
Mr Craig conen but if you're watching this you probably know all the places to uh find me or to avoid me um one half of
1:34:05
the rocky Minute Podcast we analyzed the Rocky movies one minute of movie time at
1:34:11
a time and uh we're currently in the middle of Rocky 2 where uh we've had Craig guest on and we're about to have
1:34:18
Ryan record with us uh next week I believe right so uh yeah so look out for those episodes
1:34:24
the places you can find us are you know on your social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter and Instagram but
1:34:31
uh we have a Facebook listeners group it's a uh closed group that's where like most of the discussion happens it's
1:34:37
called Mighty mix on uh on Facebook so come join the listeners group we talk all things Rocky not just about the
1:34:43
podcast just Rocky in general Creed a lot of stuff a lot of discussions going on there so yeah come join the fun hey
1:34:51
Doug are you guys going to analyze the lip nice tea commercial when you get to it I want to do I want to do his little
1:34:59
one-offs like the his SNL appearance I want to do his Muppet Show appearance
1:35:04
and yeah I would love to do like analyze the lip and Ice te commercial no you know what you can
1:35:10
analyze the lipin iced tea commercial one second at a time
1:35:16
yeah I might not listen to that one I I have my limits yeah that's that's why
1:35:24
that was the old claymation days man I missed those days yeah all right well I'm Brian uh my brother and I Ruben we
1:35:31
host the rocky series podcast going in the distance punch that into Facebook Google Twitter will come up we're
1:35:39
somewhat weekly we're pretty much weekly podcast and we're on Rocky we just finished Rocky 4 in a couple weeks we'll
1:35:45
be starting Rocky five that's our season five and I'm really looking forward to that these guys I want to say that Craig
1:35:51
and Doug their podcasts are amazing so if you're not listening to them you got to be listening to them don't worry
1:35:56
about me listen to them but if you like them you like me if you like me you like them I can't imagine you'll listen to any of this and not like what these guys
1:36:01
have to offer these guys are awesome I listen to them I'm a legit fan so we really appreciate everyone listening
1:36:07
today yeah and you can do some supplemental listening after uh since they just finished Rocky 4 you can
1:36:12
listen to the s cast Rocky 4 episode and when you guys are done with Rocky 5 we did a whole episode on the workprint of
1:36:20
Rocky five I don't know if you guys are going to cover that or not yeah it's yeah you guys covered it and I I I know
1:36:26
I'm I'm torn you know I think we're going to deal with the theatrical release I think what we might do and
1:36:31
this is actually something I thought about is like having somebody like you so there you go I'll say this on the air
1:36:37
come on and talk about that supplemental and I'll probably have Matt come on too I don't know it very well so that would
1:36:43
be something I would I would like to address but I'm not going to do like for the whole season but for an episode to say what are what are the differences is
1:36:49
it better or is it not better and that that is a discussion worth having yes awesome yeah and you guys have another great
1:36:55
podcast out there too oh yeah let me just plug that while minut I'm in the mood of a plugin um well Doug did it so
1:37:03
well man it's got me thinking that uh we both need to pick up our plug-in game man yeah so yeah I have another podcast
1:37:09
to do with my brother and he and I are on this one like he's always on this one with me or vice versa because sometimes
1:37:14
with the rocky podcast we can't correlate our times but it's called the worst of the best podcast and it's a lot
1:37:19
of fun it's easy to digest it's like 20 25 minutes an episode and we basically cover a variety of
1:37:26
topics from movies film food and we uh pick what is the worst from a best so
1:37:32
for example if you're a band like uh let's say Tom Petty or RM and we uh go through what is the best they have and
1:37:39
we pick what is the worst of that so everything has a worst even the best that's the premise of our show I don't
1:37:44
know if you guys ever listen to it oh yeah yeah okay all right you don't have to just want if be a oh it's a good it's
1:37:51
different it's different there's ton of podcasts out there so you like to find some variety yeah all right guys thank
1:37:57
you so much and uh till next time in our next poll that' be interested see what we uh reviewed this was not a dumpster
1:38:03
fire so this was a good one to review all right