Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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welcome to it's a long road the ramble series podcast i'm very excited today
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because i have an incredible special guest host this is well he goes by arcade adriana
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on his ova socials adrian why don't you introduce yourself to the uh audience oh thank you thank you ryan yeah my name's
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adrian and i've been on your show before you very kindly asked me to be on going the distance podcast the rocky podcast
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i've been a big supporter actually a big big fan for a few years now actually and i'm i'm humbled and honored to be on
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your show again and i'm sure talk about rambo what it means to me but you know i've got a lot of time for the rambo films and i've been
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really impressed so far i have to say your your david morrell interview was and i
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don't want to give you a big head but i thought it was absolutely stunning i think it's one of the best interviews i've heard in a long time okay across any media
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forget gaming or whatever i couldn't believe it it was so entertaining so fair play to you oh thank you very much
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adrian that's very kind i want to say it's weird having how should i say this without sounding like it because i know
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i know you were listener of going the distance and i think we started connecting just on that basis that
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you're like hey i listen to your podcast i enjoy yeah and then i found out that you're a podcaster and we'll talk about
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your show of course it's it's weird then co-hosting with a fellow podcaster because you do a great
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job on your show had last episode on it's a long road i had jared talkstein who does his own podcast the hyperspace
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podcast so it's kind of unsettling podcast with a fellow
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fan of the show slash podcast on their own because you guys are doing the dirty work out there too of podcasting so yeah
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i appreciate your uh your support and your and your kindness so why don't you just quickly talk about your what you do as a podcast we do a weekly retro gaming
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podcast we cover you know individual games we've we've actually covered some of the stallone games in the past
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actually right about you a bit of a fan as well those classics but we also a couple of topics and i've done interviews as well i recently have
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interviewed some big names like ken levine invade bioshock which was quite unbelievable really we managed to get on the show truthfully how we managed that
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and some industry legends and we just we have a laugh we don't take it too seriously people seem to like our style
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we're four croydon boys you know southeast london kind of thing we sort of connect to the people so we're quite
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proud how it's grown i'm a massive gamer but as you know also one of my biggest things i talk about to my family and
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friends is obviously the stallone universe so i sometimes try and crowbar
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him into my gaming chat where i can but obviously that's why that's why i found your podcast if i'm being honest well
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yeah it's awesome and uh you do a great great job and you have some have some incredible interviews great content i of
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course i've listened to all of your stallone coverage that's where the crossover is for me i also like video games as well but you
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guys do a great incredible job they have a great following and you should be proud of yourself there adrian fred though yeah doing on the video game side
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of things i'm glad i don't have to compete with you regarding stallone because you have a good grasp on the arcade market so okay well before we uh
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get into first blood what is your history with rambo watching it it's far too young really to watch it really i
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shouldn't be watching maybe i was about 10 11 12. i can't remember the exact time i watched the first few films
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you say that sorry i mean you say that yeah yeah i've got a 10 year old son right now and i'm he hasn't seen it but
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how do you you know if he goes to me dad can i watch first blood i'd be like sure i think it's intense but i don't think
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it's i don't think it's inappropriate for me yeah yeah and even even rambo two and
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three i don't wanna sort of jump the gun literally that's a bad pun but they're almost like especially three it's almost
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like a parody it's almost like a bit over the top and a bit silly and it's not even even the killing is not
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ridiculously gory it only gets really quite intense round by four and five
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which is uh my wife said i'm not gonna watch those two because i watched the first three but not watching those last two
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it's brilliant but i'm a huge stallone fan and obviously rocky was my first love enough for what
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else he's been involved in i've watched his pretty much his whole back catalogue and thought about rambo as well really connected with me especially the first
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film i know you mentioned it before it's actually legitimate good film i think sometimes rambo is a
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bit of a joke look at hot shots part which is a not a bad film actually it's quite funny but
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it just takes the mick doesn't it out the rambo character but actually the first film is is proper brilliant
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acting and maybe it's best maybe arguably stallone's best acting you could argue in a way especially it's like physical
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acting there's an argument for his acting in first blood absolutely if they could have an oscar for
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almost like silent star so to speak or just body language acting category you could almost argue his body language is
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amazing his facial expressions his his intensity is it's amazing at first blood all right yeah why watch first
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blood too and like i've mentioned before already of course on the show that i watched at a very young age when it was new like when it came out
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82 i probably saw it in vhs probably you know vhs and everything took a
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little bit longer to watch of course back in the day so i probably saw it when i was eight or nine and 83 84 so i
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definitely saw it before i saw part two like i saw the ramble films in order i remember when first blood part two came
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out i was kind of confused by the title but we'll get to those titles later okay so we actually have some emails which is incredible people are actually emailing
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the show because it's you know it's kind of a new show and people don't really email anymore but we do have a couple
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emails and one is a bit of a cheat because it's from katie because she is the co-host of the one more round
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podcast which i do about the rocky series so katie my co-host emailed this show and she wanted to talk well she titled
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it dog talk now i don't know if our listeners know but katie is a incredible dog lover she has a couple of
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dogs of her own uh yeah i think they're bloodhounds and they're both named ramble and rocky
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or balboa sorry about bow and ramble there you go she goes here ryan i loved your episode with kyle that's my other
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co-host of one more round she goes i'm almost done with the first blood book as well so there you go i do want to
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challenge people to you know to read first blood the novel by david morrell it's a really great book she goes on to
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say i wanted to comment a tad on the dog's big shocker a she says i found it interesting even before i read the book
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that the dogs they bring in are dobermans not a breed typically known for tracking
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usually in the missing person or fugitive scenario scent hounds mostly bloodhounds are used side note yeah she
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has two bloodhounds named rambo and balboa in case anyone was unaware there you go i was right okay and in the book the
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dogs are in fact hounds the book doesn't specify what type just hounds but in the movie dobermans are used
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teasel even says something like since it's raining we need the dogs to track on sight
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seemingly to explain why dobermans would be used over sent out but again seems more likely that a sighthound would be
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used in that case for example greyhounds irish wolfhounds etc a likely explanation she asked possibly that they
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had access to some dobermans trained for movies more readily and tried to find a way to make it make sense thus teasel's
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sight comment although rain would certainly not prevent a bloodhound from tracking on scent the hardest part of this to watch or any movie for that
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matter is when dogs die i'll watch human violence all day but don't you dare touch an animal i can't watch so-called
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feel good or true story dog movies because sadness is guaranteed and my nerves can't take it if i were orville
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that's of course the doberman owner in the film i would have bailed as soon as possible when the first dog dies okay
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enough from the crazy dog broad i'm loving going through the rambo journey in the same style as the rocky series
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thanks for the endless entertainment sincerely your favorite female co-host katie interested
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great email katie and yeah we're going to talk i i think today's episode we are going to talk about the dog kills i i
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agree with nobody likes i mean you shouldn't i don't think anyone legitimately likes watching animals die
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or get hurt in films or in real life i agree it's almost i'd rather watch a human limp
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with an injury than a dog limp i think what it is is we as humans can we can talk to another
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human say oh you know your ankle's broken sucks to be you go to the hospital but if a dog breaks his ankle
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especially if it's a stray or something there's no conversation you can have with this poor dog or a deer that gets hits by a car but doesn't quite die you
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know what i mean all this like oh i feel bad for that there's no way to kind of consult this animal or tell it hey it's
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going to be okay usually an animal gets you know injured it's kind of like it's life or
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death for them they can't function anymore yeah you don't see the dogs die on the screen i believe do you have rambo or first blood
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it reminds me a bit cliffhanger obviously i think they filmed it even though i think they were shooting the hair or the rabbit there was no
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complaints about people being killed in that film but the test tool says no you can't just shoot kill a rabbit on the
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screen i believe pretty often wrong but i think it had to be re-shot showing the hair or the rabbit pop his head back and he's fine
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by john john lithgow yeah good point yeah oh good call back to the storm for that's the rabbit did
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come back it's funny because you know we see dead animals on film all the time we know their prosthetics makeup stuff
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phantom whatever it is we know that these animals were not killed for the film but early films did not have the same app it's not the side track too
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much but apocalypse now they killed a real cow on screen i don't know if you remember that scene where they cut the neck off the cow on screen it's a pretty
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brutal scene um you know but for film purposes it was kind of weird what else
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there i just watched patton last year and there's a few animal deaths on that was really odd they killed
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animals on screen i think they shot like a vulture or something on screens like that was you know this is 1969 or 70
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sorry pat came out so i'm like i don't think that was a prop animal you know so they killed it was like oddly they ran
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over a goat or something it was weird anyways yeah thank you katie and next email this is from peter he's from
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australia he says hi ryan peter i i want people to know when i read this peter was very kind in his comments to me so i
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appreciated peter and i don't know why he was so kind but he was very kind but just when i read it it sounds very kind
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go here it goes hi ryan first of all i'm very grateful and enthralled with your new it's a long road ramble series
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in the third episode you're delving into deeper discussion about the production and coordination of stunts which i've learned a lot from and was unaware of he
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especially loved hearing about stallone's unique stunt efforts on the dirt bike and the accidental flipping of the police car he goes on to say i think
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it's a very bold and authentic of you ryan to express contrarian opinions now there you go i've never katrey what does
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that mean to you doesn't it just mean you're trying you're trying to almost say the opposite to rob mark is that what it means almost
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do we have to google yes live on our recording yeah we look opposite in nature direction of meaning they ignored
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country advice and agreed on the id on the on the deal kind of the opposite uh okay
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no thank you you're right you're right good job you pulled out of the top of your head good job yeah all right so he goes to he goes is
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very bold and authentic of you ryan to express contrarian opinions and support for ramble last blood the much maligned
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ramble sequel honestly through your unique analysis and perspectives i've managed to appreciate this film
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especially when you said paraphrase he says just treat it as an entertaining stallone film rather than lamenting how
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disappointing sloane's portrayal of the ramble character was he goes on to say i also agree with your assessment of the aesthetics of rambo 5 rambo's short hair
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he was further shocked but impressed with my integrity he says with your perspectives of ravel four being too
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short and finishing in the second act which this should have been the final third act and this is where i i love you
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peter but i just feel i don't know if i deserve this kind of praise sorry it's almost like are you being sarcastic but
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i know he's not but it sounds like anyways he goes on to say through your articulated and honest analysis i now
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also agree with his perspective in hindsight now this is peter i will ask maybe you can send me an email he says that i gave
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a ranking of the ramble sequels and he gave me the ranking that he thinks i gave and i don't know
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if it's quite right maybe i was just feeling ramble five or something because he goes my ranking was ramble one five
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two three then four so five seems a little high and maybe i said that at the time because i was probably trying to
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defend rambo five a little bit i can't remember when i gave that ranking remember you saying last bud was not your least favorite
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rambo film but i don't remember you ranking them in order but i might be wrong or it might have been when i did the first i did a last blood review i
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think a quick one on the on the go in the distance feed i might have been there but anyways i definitely yeah first blood is the first
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one i don't want to kind of give away my ranking now but i will say that five is not my least favorite yes he
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does have a soft spot for ramble three so there you go so thanks ryan for the gargantuan efforts and passion regards
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peter from australia so thank you peter very kind email very kind and okay last one this is just actually from our
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youtube channel so this was kind of cool this is from tim he goes hi ryan great episode discovered the rocky series
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podcast six months ago but decided to start listening from season one rather than to jump to things mid-creed that's
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crazy so of course adrian you were on uh you've listened to going the distance it's eight seasons long right and yeah
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it's amazing still to this day how many people find the podcast i guess just organically i don't know how people find
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podcasts but he stumbled on the podcast and he went to boy season one was rough i'm
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surprised everyone keeps listening after my first few episodes of rocking and not going to disney it was horrible it was
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i'm almost caught up now and look forward to the future content although i'm more of a rocky fan i'm really enjoying the ramble podcast i've seen
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all the movies and i have the box set but i've only seen each film about a handful of times maybe it's because it's less familiar is the reason i'm enjoying
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the podcast so much that's an interesting perspective yeah great review of the police chase scene considering there's very little dialogue
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he goes look out for my patreon subscription at the start of may i feel bad for all the rent-free living i've been doing with the uh podcast over the
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last six months uh so better late than never i hope this comment is over he says i love that tim
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that's very kind of you yeah if you want to join our pa here's the thing on our patreon the only thing i can guarantee you is that i try very hard to get
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edited podcasts out earlier if that makes sense so i'll edit a podcast usually it's a sunday release but i try
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to get the patreons like a friday release so they get a little bit of an earlier release and there's not much else i can
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really do i mean if i get enough patrons i might do like stand-alone reviews of films or something like that that my
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patrons can request of like any genre or something like that or who knows um it's hard to say because but what
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patreon is really guys i think uh tim if you don't mind if i say what tim described is kind of how i view this
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it's just say thanks that's it a couple bucks a cup of coffee hey thanks ryan for doing hundreds of
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hours of editing and and and here's a couple bucks to say thank you that's all it is and so
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patreon i just don't make any illusions that i'm going to buy any equipment or anything it's just a cup of coffee it
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just helps out it's just it's a way it's like busking i consider podcast busking you're giving entertainment to anyone that wants to listen but feel free to
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throw a couple things in my violin basket you know all right a little tip y'all yeah put a bit money in let the
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lights you know keep the lights on basically yeah it's just a way of saying thank you emails are great so if you want to send
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email i'd love emails or anything on your on my social comment social medias absolutely
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my email for this show was rambo series podcast gmail.com and uh the patreon all that discord and
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all that stuff is in the show descriptions and speaking of discord we got two people in the audience right now donald and louise are faithful to guys
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man you guys are amazing when you join our discord you don't have to wait for the edit which i don't know
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if that's good or bad sometimes the edit is probably better than the live recordings but uh yeah here we go and you get to interact
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with uh with us live that's the other advantage so all right adrian are you ready to start watching well i watched
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it i watched the whole film last night you said watch it up to this minute i thought okay you know i just keep watching it but for the first half an
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hour i was spouting out all these facts to my what my wife is very noticeable then it seems to start to tail off so
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i'm a bit so i i kind of stole your facts uh ryan so i appreciate that oh nope that's
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funny yeah it kyle said in one of my uh honorable rocky episodes where i mentioned
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behind the scene you kind of mentioned oh i hate hearing stuff like that because it kind of ruins he said but then he's also has been interested with
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the fact it all depends i guess i i try not to be too like this is a fan episode i mean a fan podcast at the end of the
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day around is a fan podcast this it's a long road you know we're just talking we're geeking out about the movie but
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every now and then i like to throw in something that i might have learned or gleaned from and that's what we're doing here last episode we
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had teasel grabbing mitch's hair and and saying oh look at this guy you know he's
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called he's dead now because that psycho out there i love his delivery of that line and brian dennehy yeah what are
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your feelings of brian denny in this film i want to hear your thoughts adrian oh he's afraid he's brilliant my wife
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she was quite rude to him last last time i was watching he's got very square head very square head which was a little bit
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harsh but i was like well look at his acting chops you know he was brilliant he kind of yeah he's
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just brilliant um i think actually i like colonel troutman but he's a little bit it's a bit hammy his
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performance i can't remember the actor's name top of my head that's it he's a good character i like
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him as a character but i think teasel just for the for acting is probably he's on his a game if i'm being completely
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honest can you believe he's 44 no
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i love saying that his age because look no offense to pride i mean he lived to 80 something so he did live a nice whole
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life but he was mid-age years but he just looks look if you told me he was 55 in this film i'd be like okay it was
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good for 55 you know yeah he's great and i i know we're jumping and jumping forward a bit but
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the bit when he's in the bar talking to trauma it's so good yeah brian denny he is an absolute scene
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stealer in this film he's amazing and rewatching it again for this podcast it just i just really appreciate his you
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know it's always those things when the actor passes away from our mortal coil uh we look back at their films like boy
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he was here this whole time maybe i didn't appreciate him as much as we should have and he was just so good in this film okay so now we have we cut to
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a scene here of rambo and what i love is already he's greased up you know he's got his
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arms dirty from mud or whatever to camouflage himself he's got branches on his canvas thing and so and he's he's
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well we see him creating uh hey dan welcome to the uh discord channel so i just had to meet his mic that's okay so anyways what i
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love here is rambo has already sharpened about 10 sticks so he is either
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time has jumped a little bit or he's just fast he's a master whittler he's a master whistler
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well ramble's kind of like the macgyver of yeah you know vietnam vets because
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he's able to control we're going to see really quickly here what he is putting together but what i love here is yeah we
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see him sharpening sticks so the audience at this point doesn't quite know what he's doing we just we get a feeling okay he's preparing for war he
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knows he's being hunted by the police instead of kind of running away he's now
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hunkering in you could say yeah
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we're closing in the sun's getting strong all right keep your eyes open
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come on it's gonna storm that's all we need now
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well come on let's get out of here before it gets too dark what's the matter you're afraid of the boogie man you got damn pansy
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[Music] gun down i'll show you the pants
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[Music] here what i like is i think he's
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channeling his army days that kind of drill sergeant-type talk you know get on your feet and move you
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know the enemy is out there the idea that these guys are hunting down rambo i think he's channeling his
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we're hunting koreans and our korean korean war effort type thing or it seems that way to me that he's more military
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here than police yeah 100 percent he wants to keep his team focused and they're they're a bit of a fighter going
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on there mitch obviously he knows more doesn't he he fully appreciates rambo in a funny way doesn't he kind of understands a bit
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more but yeah tees was like no just you know come on get you know get focused stop fighting stop being
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pansies which i don't know if you can say that too much anymore these days truthfully that we know we don't use that word and
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it obviously has a connotation i think the connotation is understood we wouldn't write that in films anymore but
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definitely back then i think i think we we use it as a sign as a weak man you're a weak man yeah so what i also like is
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if well mitch tells the other officer let's fight but put your gun down which was you know let's uh let's have a
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tussle but let's be safe here i don't want that gun to accidentally go off and we scuffle you also notice here uh adrian that they're wearing white hats
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this i think is to symbolize maybe that they're the good guys so to speak because first blood is kind of like a western david morrell uh wrote it like a
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western so this is the uh they're the good guys so to speak they're wearing the white house because what they're wearing isn't very good for camouflage
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and have they not been wearing these white hats it would be actually really hard to see them on film i guess they don't want to accidentally you know
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shoot the wrong person as well this you know this is the team members and yeah it helps distinguish these two i suppose
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yeah i also want to i note that of course this was filmed in british columbia my uh my home province and the
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cold that they're feeling and what they're seeing here is is real there's some snow on the ground which indicates they're pretty high up in the mountains
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because this wasn't filmed in the winter i would say it's probably october november looking weather we don't get
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lightning storms very often at all in the winter that's so that's obviously just a movie effect
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there would not be lightning with this kind of temperature we'd only get lightning summertime your typical summertime lightning also the twisting
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ankle was obviously it was scripted but the actors did have trouble walking through the woods and i don't know if
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you have this kind of terrain in in the uk in british columbia this force is very like i've done a lot of camping
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and this kind of forest terrain in british columbia is rough you can't just really run through the forest and so
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they're really walking through the woods here and it's very unsure footing what have you so the idea of a police officer
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somebody wrong their ankle and or actor i believe a few did it was real please don't find this guy for christ's sake
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hit your eyes over there let's go i'll see you later ward
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[Music] the thunder flash illuminated some sort of figure in the forest and they right away said there he is go get him girls
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so he lets two of his three dogs go and he's like go get your dinner so what i think is kind of amazing is the idea
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do they just want these dogs literally to tear ramble apart like let's pretend the dogs did their job
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and tore a ramble to pieces is teasel okay with that they come back with an arm and a leg and his head in their jaw
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well he accuses brown both killing his is his best man at his wedding is that right
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um yeah so i think teasel literally has got blood in his eyes he doesn't really care
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if rambo lives or dies really if they maim into death or just injure him i think he's bored right now but i might
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be wrong but i don't assume that's how tease usually acts with criminals in this town but this is the the exception
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i reckon in the book teaser was it's in the movie as well but teasel was dead dead set on wanting to
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get ramble for himself sorry louise just said in our chat teasel if he dies he dies yeah
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we know you're right and actually later he does say doesn't he that he would he felt a bit bemused that he didn't get the
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opportunity to when they thought rambo was dead to you're right he wanted the opportunity so you could argue
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if the dogs did a dirty work well you know his chance has gone as well she said set the dogs on him so i
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think teasel is probably hoping the dogs would just capture him now i love this part so the dogs this is a great little
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sequence because the dogs are let loose and they hop over this little ridge where this quote-unquote figure was standing we get a couple gunshots and a
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couple of dogs yelping and then silence
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and then right after orville gets shot in the shoulder and goes down so it's kind of a cool little sequence where
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he sends the dogs the dogs get killed and i had no offense to katie and this is what i said in one of our earlier
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episodes was that at the end of the day those animals are going to cause some real damage and
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there's nothing else you you can't that's the thing you would talk about animal injury you can't just break their legs it's like he just took him out it's
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actually the most humane way to go for those poor dogs was that it's not ramble's fault like he had two choices
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either get maimed by them or just end their life but what i love is he shoots orville in the process
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it's your fault for sending these dogs on me i think i think that's great i think what's intentionally hit or no yeah i look great completely yeah the
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orville goes down
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[Applause] now what's interesting here is their
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response is real now their adrenaline has gone through they've been shot at think about how frightening that would
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be in real life you've been shot at one of your these guys are just old civilians really they're not they're small town police force they they've
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never been in a gun fight before well they look petrified look at that face that we just stopped on here it's good
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acting really it's like this is proper serious now yeah 100 and you can tell they've never been in a fight again if look i'm small potatoes
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military like i i'm in the navy but i do do some like i'm actually an instructor in basic training i'm actually doing it
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again right now here locally we do train the the recruits in like small section attacks and what have you so very basic
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anyone listening to me who knows me don't at me i'm telling you it's very basic i understand it but
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but even here i can see that what they're doing is if you get shot at go yeah get low good so actually that's
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true they went low so that's good and they you do kind of lay fire down where the fire came from it's teasel
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though told them ceasefire which is good because once the firing has stopped coming your way you want to of course conserve your animal so teasel
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again taking that military control here with this with his troops so to speak by saying hey cease fire cease fire
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jesus got a gun you know this part is very interesting so he mentions that yeah yeah yeah he's got a gun now he has
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gold's gun remember he took that from uh galt when he fell in the helicopter and i always like loved that part because he
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he basically loots gold you know like in the video speaking of video games you know you take out an enemy you take his equipment
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so he took gold's jacket and and gunn as to upgrade his his character but you'll
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notice he never wears gold's jacket did you notice that yeah interesting really yeah and also rambo
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never uses the gun again i don't think during the sequence no i think we'll see in a minute but
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yeah i think it's more just now let the uh let the sticks do the fighting really yeah i think i think you're right right
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uh i think the next time you saw us more recent than me i think the next time he uses a gun is in the in the town when he
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grabs it from the back like when he goes the animal store and all that stuff i don't think he uses a gun
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so now a big lightning flash occurs we see what he's done here he's put up some sort of now is that like a
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black tarp of some sort it's hard to make out what that is but it looks like a mirror drill from lord of the rings
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yeah yeah i was thinking blair witch project but you know you're right it looks quite evil doesn't it it's kind of like a witchy
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kind of tent maybe it's an old tent or something that he's just hooked up on a tree but it looks like the rings were they caught where they
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come again two different songs ring rave something yeah sorry yeah it looks like a ring wraith from lord of the rings
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it does isn't it so there goes it's not him it's a scarecrow they call it a scarecrow but
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that's a really terrible it looks it does look like a ring wraith it's not him it's a goddamn scarecrow
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there's no scarecrow that's shot orville he's close he's real close [Music]
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so of course tesla knows like obviously that thing didn't shoot us he's around somewhere and now orville has sent his
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his last dog i think that's again i can see why if he's shot he wants revenge he's got he's
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got his weapon with him he's going to unleash the weapon but surely two dogs down
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round rambo is not stupid he knows his three dogs out he can still hear the dog barking i i think that was a bit of a
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stupid and maybe a responsible move by orville personally but i can understand why he did it also yeah he sent us a
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good point he should have he should have taken the last dog with him called it a day
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[Music] now that part is the most brutal part because
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he killed the one dog with his bare hands yeah it was like on the show it was a yeah it was a thumping sound the
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caption said the dog doesn't die right away because
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it whimpered before it died so it felt a little bit we shouldn't i look at orville's fate i don't know
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much about his backstory but he that maybe that might has he got a wife i don't know he seems like quite a lonely
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man really he's probably just he loves those dogs how did i
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well it's actually interesting he brought that up so in the movie he seems really gung-ho about you know let's get
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this guy maybe excited that he gets to use his dogs for a real like manhunt so he's excited he's you know he's waited
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his whole life for this moment to use his dogs for proper manhattan instead of like hunting you know hunting deer or
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rabbits or whatever in the book though he is a father figure literal to uh teasel that he raised
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teasel after teasel's father had left or passed away i can't even remember now so
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he was like a surrogate stepfather to diesel since his childhood he was a dog breeder and and all those things but he
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was also very reluctant to do this he thought the whole thing was we shouldn't be doing this he was more reluctant about this and he got killed in the in
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the book as well everybody dies in the book spoiler it's a great it's a great but i haven't read it for a while it's a great
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book um it's well worth reading if you're a fan of this film obviously i fully recommend it yeah so yeah the
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portrayal of orvilleness in this film is not well done compared the character and
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i know you have more fleshing out in the book but i will say teasel's performance in the
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film is leaps above david not that david melton write a great character but i'm saying
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in many ways denny he just makes it better i guess you could say where and same with richard krenna's trial and
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trauma is actually a smaller character in the book compared to this yeah yeah trusted
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[Music]
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[Music] great scene diesel here really in action
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he's really channeling his military leadership he's directing first aid he's telling somebody else to cover giving
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this direction and he says he's out of ammo because whatever killed that last dog was not a bullet now he's right
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about that part but i find it kind of odd that he would automatically assume he's out of ammo maybe he's conserving his ammo that he felt you know rambo
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just felt like i could kill this dog with my bare hands because the other two was two dogs at once so he needed something quicker whereas he could take
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one dog out by himself yeah he's smart with this action going on he's quite he's the only one person who's quite
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level-headed and he's trying to explain the situation maybe he's saying that to boost the morale of his team again so we
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could you know he's out he's we can get him now sort of thing don't get him too scared possibly but yeah marvel listen
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to me now listen gotta stay awake all right gotta release that tourniquet every 15 minutes we'll be right back
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gotta get him now he's out of hammer all right hurry up oh you know right you shoot my babies get the son of a [ __ ] go get him
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all right now this next sequence we're gonna watch it is straight up out of a horror film
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if if you were to show just this part forward almost even
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the orville's damage there with the dogs and everything else i mean every scene that we're watching for this episode and you're just to tell
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someone hey this is a psychomaniac killing cops like if you didn't know any backstory let's just say like you show
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someone this just this sequence saying hey i'm making a movie about a crazy man out in the woods who
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is killing you know the local residents and the cops have come out to get them and now they know now they're being
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taken up by this uh crazy guy you would think like that's the context of this next sequence now we know that's not
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what's happening while rambo's just gone back to you know vietnam he's surviving now and he's fighting back yes but
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it's filmed in a horror fashion if you just literally started watching from the second you might be against rambo but
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you're right the first half an hour of the film he kind of you know you're sort of rooting for rambo in a funny way i i
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was at least but i do agree if you show someone from this second onwards you'd be like oh get this guy you know who is
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this killer you wouldn't know he's no there's no way nobody would ever watch this sequence or we're doing for this
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episode not knowing anything about the ramble series and even this they didn't even know who stallone was just whatever
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kind of scenario where they're just watching a film clip you would think this guy's a maniac and these poor cops
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are getting destroyed for no reason yep all right now listen up we're right on top of it we're gonna
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form a skirmish line 50 feet apart and keep moving there's no way out of here except through us
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again with that uh leadership telling them how to form a line giving them the direction that they need to hear you
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know getting their talking to them in a calm way to keep their focus okay
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let's do some hunting we ain't hunting man he's hunting us
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that's a classic line there it's great it reminds me of uh predator this this scene personally this next five ten
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minutes is literally i think predator got some it was obviously filmed after this wasn't a predator but it's basically
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who's being hunted yeah i i really do see a lot of vibes from that film in this section personally that's a great
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point and predator came out five years after this film
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[Music] i mean look at this uh scene here then
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walking through the woods that's all real fog real myths there's no cgi no
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fog machine this is just real nature out in these woods [Music]
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spread out spread out damn it i said 50 feet and that's very true i don't know if
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you've ever done a search lying with people hopefully you haven't for a real missing person or
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whatever but i've done these exercises in the military where whether we're searching for a lost piece of equipment
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or just doing an exercise humans just have the tendency to bunch up it's a weird concept and so we see it
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here where tesla's telling them he's i told you 50 feet spread out but they're scared you don't want to be too alone
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and so they're they're bunching up that's about 15 feet maybe five feet
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but i love how they showed that their teasers like come on guys i told you 50 feet but it's natural to bunch up though
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[Music]
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oh [Music]
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that sound right there that's a horror film sound
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[Music] great composition by jerry goldstein
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yeah sorry for music mode is it's like this screeching cigar
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the ring race is screeching
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okay can you imagine okay so this is mitch that you hear screaming so i i love the sequence because it's a
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great shot it goes above and be you know goes up in the air this shot and you see david crusoe who plays mitch coming
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around this corner looking around i'm like where is where is sly again hiding i always kind of forget where he's
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hiding and it's great because he's in this yeah shot he's in the shot hiding in the woods it's it's awesomely shot
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and lit where oh yeah he's there he's in the bottom left corner and he just hops up and stabs he stabs
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mitch ramble stabs mitch right in the back of the leg and the thigh there i didn't see him in the
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scene and i knew i kind of thought i watched the essays i still couldn't see him he's pretty well hidden
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now this is where we know he could have killed mitch yeah you know me he could have stabbed him the neck
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easily wherever the heart but he of course you just stabs in the lake now that scream think about this first how
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quiet they are and all of a sudden you're hunting this guy and all you do is hear this scream and the screams will keep coming in this uh sequence where
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can you imagine the terror you're now feeling as am i next like this guy is taking out people now right now it's
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just one scream another oh boy where is he you know they're hearing this
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will the [ __ ] [Music]
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who is it [Music] [Applause]
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[Music]
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[ __ ] [Music]
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again another greasy i always forget oh yeah he's not talking the dead tree there it's so good it's just so well
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direct i so well directed this film isn't it it just it shouldn't i don't know yeah
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every bit is so well done i'm going to go back to this watch that again no i always forget oh yeah he's on top of the
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dead tree so now we got the camera kind of looking down up at the police officer and they go where does rambo come on i
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it doesn't matter how many times you see this film i forget where rebel is half the time he's so good at hiding i forget we're using everything
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[Music]
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there he i love that what a great shot there and of course that's sly and this is
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this is a good that's a good little stunt that's probably what at least eight ten feet yep you know so we he sly
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jumps from this tree dead tree stump or something and lands on the actor great stunt work by
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both the actors quite frankly yeah so now let's see what rambo does to this poor cop on the on the ground
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i think he just breaks his arm yeah he snapped it i think didn't they just sort of punched it yeah that's crazy he just breaks the guy's
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arm think about if your arm is broken you're not picking up you're not picking up a weapon you're not you can't fight
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he's got ward i spread out i'll go this way
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so now they know what they're still calling out for mitch they can't find where mitch went now they know ward is down with a broken arm
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they're spreading out they're panicking [Music]
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oh
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[Music]
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okay let's go back a bit before we go yeah this sequence here is that the guy's arm that he broke
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i can't yeah i think it is and but he sees the lead against the tree a minute a minute later doesn't it
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i think it is the same guy because it's this might be an editing flub because if it's the guy on the floor now isn't he
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yeah because he's on the ground right now and ramble runs away but then the next sequence is tied to a tree the same guy
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that's on the ground it it has to be it's not mitch tied to betrayal it has to be it's not mission i think it's the
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guy's arm that he broke now so what's happened here folks sorry is that i so i think it's a bit of a editing flub we
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know a lot was cut out of this film so i think that's what's happening here this is a sequence where you know first time viewing you're not gonna quite catch
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what's going on so i think what they meant to say are meant to show well sly said that this
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four sequence was 45 minutes long originally wow yeah they've chopped it up quite a bit and i think this might be
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a situation where the editing doesn't quite make sense if you're analyzing the way we are so he breaks the guy's arm
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but we see ramble watch run run away so the guy's arm is broken he's calling help me help me over here but the next
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sequence is rambo has tied the same guy to a tree and this is a very risky now
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it's a great visual effect it's a great uh what do you call it sequence in the film but rambles standing there in plain
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sight for the guy to shoot him but he dodges it out of the way just in time
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that the guy shoots the police officer who has his arm broken tied to the tree is that what i'm getting here i'm not sure if it's a big
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was that a plan by rambo or just that they caught him out kind of thing almost and he had to sort of just improvise i don't know if it was a big
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i mean it was a clever strategy in a funny way but it's far too risky really
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good point maybe he was just finished tying him to the tree now maybe that's
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so yeah let me know in our uh maybe let us know in the comments below is it rambo tying to the tree getting caught
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at the last moment or did he tie the gym to the tree just so the guy could shoot him while he's tied
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to the tree he's lucky his head didn't get blown off as well truthfully
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doesn't kill anyone in this film other than gold and that was self-defense slash he didn't intend to kill gold he just hit the helicopter to get get out
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of here gulp fell out of the helicopter that was the only casualty in the film i might lean towards your your thought
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there adrian that he was maybe just tying this guy to the tree kind of got caught maybe just right after the tie
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job was done and happened to dodge out of the shooting cop brings up his weapon to shoot rambo rambo dodges oh yeah
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but the bullet from the officer's weapon hits his fellow officer tied to the tree which is again a great little visual
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effect but very risky on ramble's part
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so he hops out of the tree line into the line of sight of the officer and then jumps out of the way looks intentional
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it doesn't it it's mad
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i got him so that's great so will's like hold your fire who the hell is firing and the guy's like i got him i got him
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it's a nice little sequence where of course i've never been a war never been in battle but or even been in the police
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shootout where it's almost like he's convincing himself i got him i got him no dude it's your buddy who's you might
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yeah the rival did jump into the he jumped into the sight of the officer that was
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it seems intentional it's like hey i'm here here i'm gone and then boom i got him secondly follow me
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so the same officer that shot his fellow officer this is the most brutal probably the most brutal in the whole film yep we
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all know what we're talking about so the officer that shot his buddy on the tree gets those spikes that we saw earlier
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the start of this episode that those uh stick spikes goes through his thighs in front of his legs and impales them where
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he can't oh my goodness what are you what are your thoughts on this thing my wife is like you know we're going to see in a second he he
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he takes them out you should just leave it i think i mean that's medical advice but there's probably about maybe two or
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three spikes in each leg quite deep you know i don't want it all the way through but blimey that would
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that that could bleed out that could kill you i think you know if you if you removed it and it won't get medical attention straight away i don't think it
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would kill you straight away but blimey you know absolutely oh again predator vibes again
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being honest yeah and those are deep we saw how long the sticks were and that goes right into his leg now i'm not too
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sure how ramble got the spring action going but yeah what he used for a spring but
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whatever we'll just forget that little point but anyways you use the spring trap somehow you got a spring trap
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rigged up probably from the truckless like yeah you're nice this guy's yell is just oh you just now
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just so you know too when this wood actually hit the actor it caused uh a bruising and hemorrhaging his legs that
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he had to actually get it treated in the hospital oh wow yep [Music]
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[Applause] that's what i mean by horror film that's
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the most horrific like this is like horror film type violence this is probably the most intense part of the
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movie and where if i was showing my 10 year old son this film that would be that's an intense part because that's torture why they always shout out for
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will as well directly he's a medical person why isn't it teasel that's interesting that he's always shouting
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for will isn't he will oh is it on my back there goes my bed sorry everyone just reversed yeah i
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know will is will teasel so they're either shouting for will and or teasel but uh they would they would call
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yeah yeah that's his first name yeah [Applause]
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so that's a great little cut there so will and the other officer singleton is with him they're running to go see belford who's impaled with in his legs
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and the guy who's behind will just gets tackled by rambo just down boom take it out
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[Applause] [Music]
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i want to read these comments here from donald louis so donald says regarding our did rambo intend to show themselves
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and also i never noticed the tree tying runaways editing before great catch ryan
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thank you donald and then luis said that was a deliberate move this is what he thinks it goes that was deliberate move
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showing how rambles playing chess while they're playing checkers one step ahead maybe yeah i love that that's a great
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analogy man maybe these guys should do a
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[Music] podcast now you're right will should
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know better leave like at the very least maybe cut the uh the branch off so you can you can
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mobilize him and move him out but never if you're ever first aided from ryan never take out the impaled object
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that's in you don't take it out because it's actually stopping the bleeding it's in you and it sucks but it's actually a
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plug for the bleeding you pull that out that's what my wife said over and over again so don't take it out
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yeah it's for effect because they're going to pull it out and he's going to be ah if it happened to me i think i would try
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to put it out but oh just because it's you don't want it in you but yeah i understand so yeah it's a foreign object
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yeah it's a foreign object you want to pull it out okay
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[Music]
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singleton where the hell are you that was the guy that was behind him when they went to go get balfour so he's like you know so he doesn't know the single it was
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tackled by rambling he's the quietest whatever they think we did
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[Music]
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now this is another interesting brutal one so rambo's now tied up two people singleton just got tied up it's a again
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if that was it gory horror movie esque is you know either the saw movies like
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how do you get out of this trap it looks like a saw trap he's got oh he's got singleton wrapped around a tree with his
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neck just if he moves his neck anymore it's gonna bleed them out like it's cutting his neck he can't move his neck
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that's why he's so quiet as well i was taking the mick earlier that's been hard
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[Music]
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now great little secrets here okay so we all know anyone that's of course listening to this podcast knows what's
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happening right now so rambo has now taken out every police officer has been
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taken out and intentionally so he has kept will for last he's kept teasel for last he jumps out and puts a knife
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right to teasel's throat and teasel for all of his pomp and circumstances toughness and everything he's wetting
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himself literally in this situation let's listen to the exchange that ramble now says to will so wills against the
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tree horror in his face knife to his throat
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i could have killed them all i could have killed you can tell you the law out here to me
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don't push it don't push it i'll give you a war you won't believe
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[Music] let it go [Music]
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so great great acting number one on both actors parts so every line that rambles says there is
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a classic line from you know in the town you're the law fair enough out here it's me this is my train i'm the law out here
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i could have killed you all another great line uh but i didn't i could have killed each one of you and you know it
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and i could i could kill you right now and i'm not going to what i like is am i really a crazy killer or anything like
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i'm not i didn't kill galt intentionally i'm not killing you you're hunting me stop the hunt let it
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go if you want to keep pushing this i will then you want me to ramp it up i'll ramp it up and of course we know that
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they didn't let it go and he destroys the town so you know i'll give you a word that you can't believe you can't say that rambo
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didn't warrant easel he doesn't speak a lot in the film does he you know he has a little pockets of dialogue and when he
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does speak it's just brilliant that's why i think less is more sometimes that's why this film's so good
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it's all action but in between some great lines and i agree ryan some brilliant brilliant things there 100
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what's a good point that you brought that up that yes the ramble character doesn't speak very much in this film and not very much in a lot of the films but
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regarding this one he doesn't speak very much at all and and that adds to the intensity of his character and one of
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the more discombobulating parts of the novel was how much john ramble speaks in
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the book you get a lot of inner dialogue so you get a lot of his thoughts so you get a lot of which is interesting but you get
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a lot of rambo dialogue so he talks much more in the book which for the book it works but when you know the movie so
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well and you go to the book you realize oh bringing a lot of ramble thoughts and a lot of ramble speak whereas compared
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to the yeah so both mediums work but it's a little bit jarring at first when you read the book about how much you hear rambo's thoughts
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and voice yeah incredible scene classic scene teasel in that moment cries at the end
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the adrenaline is worn off his his men are down this is intense you think about think about what's really happened here
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just how intense this situation has been for the last you know whatever couple hours hour and a half between galt dying
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you're in the woods dogs are dying people are being impaled bones broken tied to trees shots fired and now you
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have a knife to your throat by the guy that's done it all mad and he he was a broken man and obviously
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he no one's looking at him and he kind of just letting himself the whole situation's just washed over
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didn't it and yeah i mean he doesn't steal himself down eventually but blimey yeah he's literally he's sobbing isn't
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he it's excellent acting it's incredible absolutely incredible but i don't want to spoil the next
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episode does teasel let it go oh it's it's amazing how much he kind of
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doubles down but we'll talk about that on our next episode and at the time of this recording i don't know who the guest host is yet i got a couple people
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in my queue to invite i just have to send out the invite but there you go that is this sequence of advance uh
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overall adrian how did you feel this went for you on your first time on the uh it's a long world podcast
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i loved it um i'm happy to be involved in any future episodes if you need me and
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it just just i just think what i most like about the first rainbow film especially is there's no cgi and there's
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it's just proper raw acting and everyone i think everyone is on their a
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game throughout as well you know there's the interesting characters and i just love it i think it's just brilliant i've
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really had a good time and that little pocket watch there yeah that could easily just be a horror film like it said interestingly that's why there's
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different sort of genres combined in the first film i think it's very it's a drama isn't it as well really isn't it
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tonight just so interesting sort of picking it apart like that i think that sequence that we just analyzed and went
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over this episode that's what makes this movie i think that's the most intense part i think it's that sequence alone
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that gives this film the maybe the hard r there's nothing else really in this film but like even
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well there's two sequences there's this whole the four sequence and the macgyver killing of or sorry maiming of the
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police officer it's all horror it's absolutely brutal there's nothing there's nothing like you know you watch
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some action films even some of the later rambo films you know when uh let's say when you know a spoiler when that uh vietcon
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officer gets blown up with the arrow like it's a great sequence it's like yeah
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yay that vietnam officer gets blown up with the explosive arrow it's a fun body
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parts go everywhere even that doesn't seem brutal in a weird way it's hard to explain even though you
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got a body blowing up but you're like yay you're cheering you know for rambo
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it is and it's fun it's fun action because it's just a great action sequence but this
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action sequence there's nothing fun about this you understand rambo's motives you know why he's doing it he is
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just trapped in his ptsd he's in war right now he's in survival mode but you're never watching this yeah you go
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get him cops yeah the cop is impaled yeah his arm is broke like it's a combination you feel for these officers
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because they're trapped too they don't even know what they're getting themselves into teasel is on his own war path
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it's not the other officer's fault so diesel actually ironically got off light here this whole mess is probably the
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yeah everyone else seemed to get worse than him actually he got way worse a little scar on the neck yeah a little
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scar on the neck possibly although his ego his ego has been burst big time yeah
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a great sequence but i would say this sequence is the most intense part of the film and i think it's what i remember as
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a kid seeing it i was like what am i watching it was it's the one part where the human part of you or you you
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empathize with the pain these officers are going through there's nothing it's not a thrilling part of the film if that
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makes sense the cliff jump is kind of fun and thrilling the motorcycle chase sequence is fun and thrilling for action
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but this quote-unquote action sequence is a horror film action i don't know how to describe it and and just the
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direction as well in that particular the way stalin was hidden in different bits and you hardly knew where he was there
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and things were out of focus on purpose and he jumped down for example i i honestly when you watch a film like
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this it makes you realize that they don't make films anymore you know the the latest they may remade the first
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rambo it'd be cgi stupid ridiculous stunts they wouldn't take advantage of the
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nature they do i just think this is a you can't beat a film like this back in the 80s really it's got a chance holds
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up and it holds up for a reason again it was filmed like a western it was written like a western from david morrell
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and like westerns without cgi westerns that's why they hold up for so long because there's no there's no dependence
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on special effects or anything it's just filming and this whole movie ages well because
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there's no cgi nothing ages it's just beautiful scenery everything's natural you can watch it for
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well i would assume decades to come it's going to be a piece of film history that will never age alright adrian well that's it that's the
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end of the episode nothing is over nothing you just don't turn it off
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so
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do [Music]
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you