Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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welcome to another episode of the inaugural the flagship I don't know what to call this podcast but this is
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officially the Sylvester Salone podcast Network show where it originally was formed with the idea that the trio the
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Holy Trinity of Rocky or Stallone I should say podcasters Doug Craig and myself got together thought let's do
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films that aren't ramble or rocky let's do his Standalone films much what Sly cast was doing so I guess we taking the
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mantle a little bit but I'm glad that Craig is here for that because Craig being part of Sly cast we're really grateful that Craig has his voice is
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heard so first let's do the introductions again because people might be watching this show for the first time because we're covering this movie how do
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you say this movie is it Expendable for or is it expend
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Expendables okay all right you're with me on that okay so Craig say hi to the folks and fans here what's going on yeah
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hi Craig from slidecast happy to be here and Ryan I got to say I went to Facebook to get the link for this recording and I
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saw your little post you put about us going live tonight and man I love that we're still using that original graphic
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with this like the the movie curtains with the yeah oh God I love that man old
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school yeah I know oh there it is yeah there it is on our streamyard there at the top yeah Sylvester Stone podcast
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Network I love it yeah it's still my obviously I love doing the ramble and the rocky podcast with my host but you
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guys there's a special place in my heart I should say with you guys doing the show and breaking down the films because
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honestly I think you're both better podcasters than me and you're own right or at least very we we offer different flavors and you guys are very good at
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what you do so it's easy doing it with you guys yeah I I before you introduce or after you introduce Doug I wanted to
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say something okay sure so Doug say hi to the folks hello folks Brian we're not nearly
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as prolific as you you have what four five podcast projects that you're juggling at Once garbage they're all
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garbage though there it's and and a YouTube channel right like you still doing those reaction videos yeah the
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YouTube channel is doing pretty good we're almost nearly 21,000 Subs on that channel right now I I will Ryan I I will have that I
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am a dedicated ran reulin fan I listen to all your [ __ ] that's a lot I'm sorry
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but I'm there for it buddy I'm there for it you're you're a good man and Doug what's the status on Rocky minute
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we're still trickling out episodes but the good news is even though I have a
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newborn at home beautiful girl by the way I thank you very much I am still on
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the mic she hasn't I don't know how you slow down from zero but she hasn't
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slowed me down that much I'm still editing booth on the episodes that I have for
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rockentoon to shock the world and I couldn't do it you gotta reach out to me you gotta talk to me Goose yes that's
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the next order of business but I I got some rocky in the can ready to go some all right got Ryan Ryan I did want to
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say before we get started that I always enjoy and appreciate and get a little bit of an ego boost every time you share
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a a listener comment that's come through either through email or as a comment on the YouTube channel and I know you only
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share the positive ones with us which is good but man I got to say that I I love the comments we get and the and the
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responses that we've gotten and the people that reach out to you to tell you how much they like the show and more importantly how much they like our
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interaction with each other it's always cool to see and it always helps me appreciate a little bit why we sit down
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and do this podcast yeah it was my pleasure CG and the good comments are welld deserved
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maybe the bad ones are too there's not too many bad ones but they're out there sha Malloy is actually watching us right
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now of course Sean is the host and the main dude of the must break this podcast
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starring the lusterous career of Dolph lungren and I suspect he might want to hear a couple of our thoughts regarding
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Dolph's involvement in the expend of affordables so we'll get we're going to get to that very shortly this is what he
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had to say really quickly though he said boy did X four not fixed the errors from X3 practically multiplied them let's not
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get ahead of ahead of ourselves here Sean but if you want to check out Sean's review of the expend affordables it's
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actually it's on our Network as well it's on our Network as well check it out this is gonna happen the whole time
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right I think X4 is a good way to say it I think I know all right yeah the the one thing I want to lead with here
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is I did not watch this movie in the theater it's the first Expendable movies I did not go to the theaters to watch I
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waited for the the digital release which was what two weeks after it came out in theaters yeah they announced it a couple
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week that's a bad sign they didn't announce it so when the movie got released I was originally like you Craig
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I was originally going to go to the theaters I was going to take my son's because my 12-year-old and nine-year-old son they watched the first three with me
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I watched it with them they had a great time they enjoyed the action they don't really know who they know who Stallone
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is because they they watched the rocking ramble films with me but they didn't know really anyone else and don't mean
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anything to them no there's no Nostalgia they didn't understand why is this big guy with the weird accent saying I'll be
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back the other guy say you've been back enough they don't know why dad's laughing but they enjoyed the action
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they enjoyed the films right and then when spes 4 came on the big screen I
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comed in hard and I don't like that I did that I was like I'm G to be positive I want to go in with open just an open
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mind and just leave my expectations at the door but I waited like a week maybe two weeks Max and then I and I stayed
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away from reviews I stayed St away from podcast talking about it I actually never watched a trailer just for the record I never even saw a trailer for
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this film I knew nothing about this film nothing not not what the story was about nothing that being said you then
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announced or you sent me a link and said hey it's going to be on on streaming in two weeks and I'm like wow okay I think
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I'll just save taking me and my kids which is $75 for film I think I'll just
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I think I'll just rent yeah yeah do you remember do you remember one of the one
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of the Escape Plan movies and then it was Samaritan also where Stallone was
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like pushing it hard on his social media and everything this one kind of came without
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any Fanfare any like marketing any pushing or whatever came even went the
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actors are still on strike right what is that why no when you're on strike you're
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not allowed to promote talking about during the production of the film itself I and you're right yeah oh like sending
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stuff from the set and yeah yeah like I forgot which escape plan it was that's
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how memorable that movie was but I remember Stallone pushing it hard on his social media he pushed he pushed yeah
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yeah and then Samaritan too it was like this big push and then that went quiet for a while before that came out but
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there was nothing surrounding this movie it just came I get it but like he's a producer
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on this movie you think he'd want it to wow by name I think he got his whatever money he was gonna get he got the
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performance of the movie didn't make a a bit of difference because I think and and as I think Sean's alluded to in the
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past is a lot of these movies the way the deals are set up is a lot of the financing is worked out based on foreign
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sales yeah yeah Sly was probably like it's not GNA matter if this movie makes an extra 30 million in the United States
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it's not going to affect his bank account at all now I don't think Sly was actually a producer on this I don't see
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it on Wikipedia maybe it's on IMDb but it's not on Wikipedia which I find out I know STM was and I saw that the
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producing credits that STM was a producer and this was the original or the idea when this film was being talked
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about years before there's by the way there's if you could believe expend 4 sorry expend 3 came out nine years
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ago nine years ago that's a kind of a long time in Sequel land it doesn't feel
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that long it doesn't feel that long does it but it was N9 years ago 2014 and there was talk soon after Expendables
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with three about 2 years maybe just three where they were talking about doing it's called the The Expendables of
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Christmas Story and that was the indication yeah there was indication with that that this was going to be the St vehicle his star was really rising
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and that Sly is ever aging body was aged out of the series pass it over to St them and then there's also talk about
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the old female my God expend Bell enough that [ __ ]
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already so it's okay we got Charlie Angels it's fine so that being said that
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didn't happen the kind of Co happened then this movie got made and I was legit
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I have to admit when I first heard about it I was okay cool I'm I'm all for it unlike a lot of people I quite enjoyed
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part three I thought Mel Gibson was the highlight obviously I know the biggest criticism of part three was what it
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wasn't rated R had issues with that I don't even think that's the biggest criticism Ry heard I thought that's what
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I heard I I think if we went back and listened to our defendable 3 episode I think a lot of our sticking points were
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just the lack of Charisma of all the younger cast members that's the other
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big super the new crew that we're supposed to fall in love with I think the idea was if Expendables 3 made Let's
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just pretend in an alternate universe it makes $700 million at the box office like Adventure endgame type money and
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they're like wow we really got some we really knocked their socks off with this Ronda Rousey and all these other
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Twilight actors let's get them in the part four but that didn't happen so now but this is what sinane cig to tieing
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with what exactly what you said there in part four we we're doing it again at least they brought back the old
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crew most of it well but did they even mention what happened to Terry crw was
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there even a line if maybe I missed it I'm sorry that's a huge glaring Omission
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like Terry Cruz's personality in those movies was so big that to not have him
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was just it I always noticed it and I'll say this right now and yeah please this
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movie was talked about so much because a lot of people saw it before us so I couldn't help but get private messages
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from people and things saying I can't wait for you to see this I can't wait for you to see how bad it is it's the
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worst thing Stallone's done in in years but watching it I don't know if that prepared me for things or numb me a
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little bit but my ultimate takeaway from this movie was it was fine it wasn't
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good it wasn't bad it was just fine okay unmemorable it's not a day and date
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Blu-ray pickup for me and I think that's the ultimate problem with this series now is it it just it hits beats that
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don't mean anything anymore yep iank hold on I was thinking sorry Ryan oh no
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please yeah but I I was thinking that just today that going trying to recall
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the movie because I saw it a week ago and I'm trying to I I there's a lot of plot points a week later that have
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escaped me and I'm thinking to myself and I'm like okay I've probably seen a
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thousand action movies in my life all right it's you know a generous estimate
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but and maybe a small handful of the ones from the Golden Era of action are
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the ones that I truly remember everything about you know what I mean
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and all the other ones they're good they come and they go I've I'll watch them and I'll say oh that's an okay movie and
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then I'll move on with my life this was that it w CRA I couldn't have put it better Craig it wasn't good it wasn't
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bad it was just it was a movie I I think the other thing that bothers me about
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The Expendables series as it is now is they think somebody showing up on screen
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is enough Andy Garcia shows up and he doesn't have to do anything you can tell
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Andy Garcia phone this movie in you could tell Andy Garcia was like where's my paycheck where's my trailer and
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nothing against Andy Garcia he's at a stage in his career where that's the kind of [ __ ] he should be doing but in
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the expandables movie they just assume somebody showing up is enough for people
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to cream themselves like saying oh my God another action star is here but he's
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not well regardless yeah Andy Garcia he's I don't I can't think of an action
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movie he's done but the thing is they just think that just showing up is enough and I'm sorry it's not enough
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it's not enough to just show up since we're talking about Andy why don't we talk about the cast but let's just talk
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about Andy Garcia so Andy Garcia is an actor that I've enjoyed throughout the years of course the Godfather what else
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good boy I'm Mark myself exactly what else gother Godfather
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three's ear off doesn't he yeah sorry I meant to say one of my favorite films of his I had to double check because I was
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90% sure but I'm doing this on the Fly I apologize guys The Untouchables I thought he was great
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when you're dead it was good yeah to and he was in the oceans movies if you forget that so he had he was great in
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that he's fine he's fine there's you know he's a good actor he's a fine actor you never watch him in a movie and think
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oh boy you don't go the movies for Andy Garcia all right so I know we're spoiling here but let's go through the
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villains of the Expendable Series so you've got the first one you've got Eric Roberts and and Stone Cold and you got
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the guy that played the guy that looked like Kevin James was the other badass martial arts guy what was his name again
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that first Expendable film he's in other be movies but he's really Scott Atkins yes him he was cool
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think was two was he in two okay my but those guys are legit yeah but the first
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movie you've got Eric Roberts and Stone Cold the second movie Gary Daniels he was pretty cool too yeah the second
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movie you've got Van Dam the third movie you've got Mel Gibson the fourth movie now you've got the guy from I think it
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was the raid right okay so yeah that's right so now we're talking about and Andy Garcia so just look at like the
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downward trajectory of the villains in those series like Eric Roberts he's a
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joke but that dude had legitimate acting chops and in Expendables he was still
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displaying them he was great he was just fine you go look at those characters compared to the these ones boy we were
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spoiled in those first two film also look at like the like the bravado of it like Eric Roberts character was so big
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and so Brash and so you remembered him same thing with vanam and the same thing
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with Mel Gibson in this movie the guy from The Raid he kills a kid and you're supposed
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to be mad at him but you're not like I I didn't hate that guy he was a villain doing villain things but there was like
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there there was nothing there to make me say oh I I can't wait to see the the team take this guy out and his being
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taken out was pretty of course stay them is the one that fights him at the end there in the ship
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it was pretty unremarkable the fight was okay here's the okay here's the thing that's the thing Ryan at the end of the
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day everything here was just okay nobody put in the extra ounce even an extra
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ounce of effort to make this anything even the slightest bit except
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exceptional the the only guy and I'll say this every time is Jason STM sure
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he's got Charisma for days man great that that guy is he's awesome and you
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can give him the the biggest piece of [ __ ] script and he will act the hell out of it he goes for it and he's good he's
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good in everything he does yeah but he can't carry a whole movie unfortunately he can't carry a whole movie on his back
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it's just too much it's too much for anybody and that's the funniest thing it's almost and Ryan might be able to talk to this a little bit more because I
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I think he's done more of the research but Sly pieced out and I think there was a point where
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he was barely supposed to be in this and then he decided that he wanted to be in it so they they reshot or they rejig his
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character to get that but I think Sly even knew that he's I'm not gonna carry this [ __ ] movie so let STM do it okay
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so let's talk about let's go back and talk about slide in his involvement since this is the Sylvester Sone podcast
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Network show I was I admit the one thing that I was tricked fooled on I admit I
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thought sly's character had died in fact if you listen to my r podcast there was an episode that I did
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with dom of course my co-host where we're talking about the expend Expendables for film and I mentioned at
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that time I'd only seen half the film like I I'd stopped watching it to do the podcast recording so I talked to him
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about the film and I showed a picture of s supposed at the time or what we
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thought was this corpse in the plane and I made the comment that was a very I
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actually thought that he died because I knew he wasn't going to be in the film very much and stm's character Christmas
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was pretty convinced he was dead so everyone thought he was dead so I I played along with the characters I don't
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see any reason why we think he's alive there's been no indication so and I knew that s was only on set for four days so
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I'm like okay he's dead okay cool they've moved on without him that's just the way it goes and so I made I made
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that comment because I legit for people that listen to my Ramble podcast as well as this one that's why they might come
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back Ryan how could you not know he was alive so I made the comment that it was a pretty ignon death that there was no
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you go go get him for me Christmas I thought okay so I was tricked to that degree but I was tricked so much that I
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thought it was a really horrible writing so ironically I guess for better for worse I was tricked because the death
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was so lame that's how Barney Ross got killed now however I wish a braver
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smarter film would allowed his character to die I think it would have been a more emotionally effect if they're looking
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for any kind of writing in this film or any kind of emotion I think it would have been a more emotional film had Barney Ross been killed
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but I know the plot device the red herring was is that in order for them to have access to this file to do what they
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had to do in the film that's what what do you call that when you use that in the movie a plot they had to use that
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this character has to be dead and everyone has to think he's dead to release this secret file so we can get
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who this person is and that Warheads on a ship blah blah blah and then yeah how many movies do we deal with finding
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detonators can we just get rid of that plot device finding the Detonator okay so there there you go
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with the slot he he dialed it in and I don't like
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here's the thing he phoned it in there's a difference between dialing it in and phoning it in right he phoned in I
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apologize and lastly on him not lastly but the last thing for now on him was
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had this movie succeeded financially at the box office or online or whatever streaming they would have made it
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they're not going to make a part five there's no way now this this didn't even Garner half of its cost of just production let alone advertisement it's
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a horrible box office uh Word of Mouth rightfully so you know what word of mouth rightfully so destroyed this
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film's box office people saw this opening weekend and the the word went out on on the Twitter verse and on
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podcast and reviews like oh this is a garbage film this is not a good film and you're right though it's not even Escape
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Plan bad it actually has the sin of not being bad enough to even have a laugh at it yeah hey so I I know we're talking
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about the the cast right now but Donald B just mentioned Barney murdering somebody for beating him in thumb
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wrestling and that sequence that was part of a re-shoot right because it doesn't add anything to the plot it's
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like a 10-minute section where Sly has to go get his r or Barney has to go get his ring back yeah and we get some
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action we get a bar fight but it does nothing to advance the plot it's the show that SES on the set they're having
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a little buddy moment little fun moment with Soldier Brothers before his supposed death this was Barney Ross's
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way of saying goodbye to Christmas before supposed a death so Christmas could have something to hold on to until
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Barney comes in at the end of saves the day I anyways I don't I will say sorry two things the Barney covering up his
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own death by killing that guy is just it's an atrocity who did he so remind me
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I I lost track who a little guy that that he beat in thumb wrestling oh it was him yeah oh so the guy from the bar
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was in the plane the whole time yeah so he set him up yeah he was like he knocked him out hit him in a compartment
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and then set him up to burn shmp to burn in a yeah jumbo shrimp in the plane
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crash to look like because I saw the film in two sittings I admit when I got to the ending and they showed you how
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they had a different corpse in the cockpit before when it crashed yeah I had forgotten so this was just some
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weasly like small statured man in a bar who literally died for Barney who who
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deserves a beating sure but does he deserve to be burnt alive in a plane crash I I I don't know about that the
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punishment fits the crime that's insane I totally lost thank you for bringing that up I CU I actually forgotten I was
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like who is that guy I was like I had nobody to ask around me that would answer the question for me but I I will
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the other thing is in in that bar scene in particular I know you guys might kill me for this but I I do like the Stallone
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STM scenes because sure they're Stallone to STM they're F they have chemistry they do
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right at this point they would at four films in sure yeah and even though Stallone does his like over acting thing
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he tries to be funny when he's not but I don't know I found I find that like when
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he's with STM it works to some level and I don't know if it's I have a quote actually here from
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STM um regarding like working with Stallone he says working with Stallone is beyond a pinch yourself moment I
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remember growing up watching his films and to be directed by him and to be in a movie that he's produced to be
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shoulder-to-shoulder with Sly is a privilege any man who loves action movies would never turn their nose up at
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it's terrific I'll do as many as he wants sure yeah and yeah you could say
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just given the opportunity to work with Sly must be like an honor and a privilege but they I think they
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legitimately have some good chemistry on screen oh yeah no I wouldn't debate
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that so here's some of the problems with this film in general we've talked already about it the thing that this
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franchise actually suffers from and I don't know why and I don't understand it is the dialogue I don't know how to
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describe it is very choppy their quips and the way they communicate to each
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other I get there're trying to be fun and I want to say locker room talk but
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like soldiers to Soldier talk and the quips and the and the Jabs and the jibes
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and all these things but the jokes do not land they do not like okay watch a
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movie I know it's platoon I understand it's platoon or full metal jacket but when you see the banter which by the way
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writing good dialogue doesn't cost a lot more money it's like when you watch it's just words on a page can we just create
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dialogue that works and I don't understand how how guys like stay them as Stone who who writes legitimate films
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I don't understand how they can't create natural banter the banter is so silly
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and dumb that I don't even know if they're human they it feel oh yeah it feels like it's AI created banter it
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feels like someone has put into chat GPT create banter between two soldiers who
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were in their 70s yeah what's even dumber is the the call backs they did
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and I hate when I hate when any movie does this because it's a throwaway moment in one film that they call back
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to and in this one you have the absurdity of Stallone shooting a guy with that whatever size [ __ ] gun was
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on that helicopter where he shoots the guy that stm's pretty much holding right and then
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STM does the whole like head thing hey you almost got and that's a I think a call back to the first movie but neither
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one of them would have remembered that it's just for us to point to the screen like Leo in that that Meme you're
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welcome right he says you're welcome you're welcome yeah but then he's oh watch the head or whatever
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that's right watch my head but the thing is so let's get back to the concept of The Expendables which was a a nostalgic
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trip through action movie history where we bring back all these action guys but you know what a huge missed opportunity
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was and this was probably because of budgets but why not do that [ __ ] behind the scenes as well why not get Shane
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black or Jeb Stewart or Steven duza to write one of these movies right why not
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get a John MC guys that you or renie harlon get the old school action writers
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and directors and if you tell me oh Shane Black's writing Expendables 4
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that's probably getting me to go to the theaters and a lot of guys like from our
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era yeah Sheen black might he's not a household name but like guys like us know St
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du to this podcast with know Shane black you'd have to yeah yeah I totally agree
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with that behind the scenes idea of the old school the Old Guard coming back okay let's talk so the dialogue okay
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let's talk about the CGI thoughts on the CGI
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Craig it's better than the Samaritan sorry yeah was it though was it I'm
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being serious I'm trying to be funny Samaritan had that whole fire sequence
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that's the one I'm thinking of and the DH Sly the thing is Doug the thing nowadays is I'm so used to seeing shitty
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CGI that it's like you almost become numb to it like I don't know why it hit
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me though I have to admit it hit me hard when I saw the CGI and it didn't go and
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it didn't go away so maybe with the Samaritan you write the final battle sequence with the fire and Fire's tricky
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look I'm not saying Backdraft did it without CGI but I I don't know
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I felt this film was like okay let's talk about the little mini boat that was chasing the big boat that boat okay the
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boat sequences was absolutely horrendous CGI we're talking Playstation 2
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graphics you had Mega we'll get the mega Fox we had Mega Fox's character standing at the B excuse me her character was
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Gina oh whatever I don't think she had a last name I think her character was just Gina okay can we talk about her standing
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on the front of that little ship and the ship going through the ocean the ocean had waves and of course it has waves but
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the ship the little boat doesn't move it was like it was traveling on flat glass of movement it was just horrible ship
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movement maybe it's the Sailor me but it was horrible ship movement people weren't moving around in the in that in
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any way she performed there water they had nine grown adults on a little rubber dingy of a boat it just it didn't look
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none of it looked real the CGI was absolutely horrendous it was a big no for me if you're not spending $300
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million and above on films like these like you're not going to get Jurassic
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Park level or Star Wars or Marvel level C CGI it's just yeah you just so you're
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right there's other ways to do it yeah you don't do CGI yeah but they but whatever budget they had didn't go to
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any CGI it went to actor salaries and you want put something perspective want to hear something perspective here's a
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film that has no CGI a film that we love and enjoy yeah you critics can say the script of the dialogue what we're saying
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now but at the end of the day when I'm going to say the film you're going to know what it is you're going to say you love it okay it's a Stallone film it had
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a budget of $25 million in 1985 ramble part two okay which is
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equivalent of this budget of film which is 100 million now today 100 million is not that high of a budget comparatively
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speaking but that's $25 million in the 80s Rambo 2 had no
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CGI they were able to do a film for $100 million in today's money back back then
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and made a kickass action film see what I'm getting at why can't we do why can't we do that it's not that
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hard to get some sort of stupid big ship the there was only one you also didn't have six actors commanding High salaries
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no but you had SL as Heyday command in high salary I wonder what he was paying for that film I look what I'm getting at
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is there you go fine knock off some of the salary say look guys we want to make a really good film this could have been
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the selling point for Jason and slot and Dolph and say hey we want to make a good film we want to go back to that 80s
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style this is because we're old school this is the whole point we're supposed to be an old school action-y year movie
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Let's Go old school why don't we do for Expendables part 4 why don't we make it no CGI that could be our selling point
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can you imagine if they said this is a no CGI balls of the wall 18 te 80s film action film I think people would have
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been more excited by that I think Al loone that would have raised the Star level a couple more people say you know what they didn't use CGI they used
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squibs they used they used I know tell me I'm wrong no I'm not Ryan and that ties into the idea
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of getting people behind the scenes that have the the same amount of nostalgia
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that action fans hold for like MC McAn or Shane black or reny harand yeah no
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absolutely and that's the frustrating thing about The Expendables they think just putting an an aging action star on
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scene is enough for everybody to stand up and Applause
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it worked for the first two because like you had all these monsters that shared the screen you know what I mean the guys
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that we idolized growing up sharing the screen and it was and it worked for the
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first we had vanam and slide a to man come on yes but now we've watched a ton
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of franchises when did they ever from movie to movie as the sequels go up do
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they pull back you know what I mean it's always they have to up the anti they have to go further bigger farther more
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louder you know what I mean it's it they don't ever pull back for some reason that's actually that's a really good
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point Doug it would have been really cool to see like a a lowkey sort of smaller scale Expendables movie I'm
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completely on board with that with that idea stealth Mission or hand to hand combat type Mission I don't know if from
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what I read is correct this would have been the opportunity too because sly from what I read on IMDb trivia this was
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supposed to be the first movie in a new Trilogy this Christmas Story idea yeah it's the like the I was gonna say Lloyd
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Christmas probably a better film The Lee Christmas Trilogy now if you go if you
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go like through that line of thinking okay so Expendables 3 they they tried to
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go bigger but a fizzled out okay now's your opportunity to start over again with a new
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Trilogy start small and then build up to episode three or whatever episode six
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however they they want to do it but I don't know it it just I don't see them
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pulling back is is what I'm saying once you achieve something because that's harder to do Doug the smaller you get
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the more Tech if you think about it the smaller you get the more work it it entails whereas if you go big you can
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say we can plug in the PlayStation 2 boat chase put a big explosion we're
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done whereas then they lost they completely lost sight of who their target audience was then no they
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they absolutely did and I think this gets back to what Shawn Malloy said whereas the whole monetary Financial end
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of these movies they exist for financing and whatever shady foreign financing is
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going on the thing that happened here do we think something illegal happened with the funds here honestly what was the budget of this
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movie $100 million is that did did you see $100 million on screen I saw I have
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seen better effects on Disney shows for kids that makes a huge argument that
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there was some kind of financial Shenanigans going on I don't know if it's money laundering I don't who knows
32:43
what it is but it's hundred million is laughable it's
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absolutely laughable that's what I mean again ramble part two same budget and look at that film practical explosions
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the the jungle filming on location I I don't get it I don't get where the money went for this I don't understand I don't
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I just can't believe that somebody like St who seems like a pretty decent guy and seems like he you could tell he
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never phones it in at the very least you could tell that he's really trying to be stus and had be badass and fun but
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remember that motorcycle scene throughout the ship remember when they riding the motorcycle on the ship with the guns in the front what are we like I
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was watching a poorly shot Cuts scene of a video game it was it's horrible
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there's no Stakes there's no Stakes I didn't feel once that stay them scared of was ever in danger there's no no and
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that's what what well that's also always been a problem with this series we have a series called The Expendables where
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nobody ever really dies except for the Again part two I think that's what makes part two so good is got Ked they
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actually M they kill Hemsworth but yeah that's the thing so there's really no stakes in these movies ever but also
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there's no passion behind the film making nobody involved in this movie movie feels like they couldn't sleep at
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night because they were thinking of ways to make this movie better and they couldn't wait to get to the set
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and that's what bugs me though because again go back to the first Expendables
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first two Expendables what your target audience is they're guys our age guys that grew up with action stars of again
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the Golden Era of action and you don't have to put much on screen it's like
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they don't care about the return is they care about I don't know I don't know what they care well this film seemed to
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be let's talk about the cast because we had two new editions here one one was a we had three new Asian Char actors which
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is fine which is fantastic and their fighting skills are amazing but we had one baddy and two goodies and the one
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baddy was played again I don't know how to say his name I do apologize it looks like it's yua Corney yeah that's the
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dude from The Raid right that's so that's the guy from The Raid and he was I thought I feel bad for him cuz I could
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tell that given a better script given a better script with better Direction he
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had the personality and the Charisma to be a really cool like a a I think this
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was supposed to be the jackiechan jackiechan was supposed to come on The Expendables he was it was offered him to
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be a part of but he didn't want to because it wasn't big enough for him I think that was said to Sly I think he I
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think Jack's gone a record saying he wanted to do this with SL but he wanted less people I think he didn't want to
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share too much scpt time with all these people he made that clear so I think this was the Jackie Chan offer was to be
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this bad because he was going to play the bad guy I think that was the offer to play the bad guy yeah but let's also not forget that Jackie Chan is a pretty
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amazing filmmaker in his own right he didn't really do it too much in America but he would have scoffed at this whole
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world part but if you look at if you go back to his Asian Cinema career Jackie
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is an innovator he was considered one of the greatest action filmmakers working so like like his
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opinion means something so the idea that he was like hey there's too many people here whether or not it's driven by his
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ego and wanting to have more screen time I don't mean that that I don't what I mean by that is not that he himself any
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more screen time he wanted to focus on him and Sly going Toe to Toe I think that was no and that's what I mean
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there's validity in that argument that it's there's too many people so that was that so that was sorry how do I'm
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looking at the pronunciation here that was yua Corney not a b again I felt bad for to some degree because I thought
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this could be a good opportunity for him to be an American movie he's done a few other American movies but like I said he
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did the raid which he did great and that that was a fun film then we have the good quote unquote new edition of an
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Asian background and that was Tony jaah somebody I did recognize he was from the protector he was from the onb or omach
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films as well yeah yeah I'm sorry yeah that's what I meant which has that amazing like single shot like up the
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staircase fight scene yeah and he obviously he has a what you call a discipline and whatever uh fighting
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style you can tell like these actors who do this you can tell they have that discipline you can't just fake it like
37:06
Jason Stam has it as well I can't remember what degrees he has but you can tell they have this real ability to fight like
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that no I was goingon to say isn't 50 Cent a new character too where to get to him I want to be a little bit systematic
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here then we'll move on different yeah so because your math isn't adding up I think you said there were like four new people but no I just said Asian
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characters he starts with the Asians yeah I'm starting with the Asians I'm getting I'm getting the worse out way we're going alphabetic wor no they're
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here's the thing what and the reason why I brought the Asians first is because I felt like watching this film that it was
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really heavy on the martial arts which I thought was an interesting choice but I thought it was really heavy on like this was like the raid on a ship it was so
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much felt like the raid on a ship that I had to double check that it wasn't the same director or creators of the raid
37:49
and it wasn't we'll get to the director later but anyways he did a good job Tony JW again did a good job he was like I'm a peaceful man I don't do this anymore
37:56
oh Barney Ross is dead now I'm going to let the he turns it into Wolverine or whatever interesting choice and then
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lastly we had the female addition to the cast for The Expendables her name well
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no we're gonna get there's two new females s the third she's an actress model as well that's Levi Tran uh she
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was fine but she has a recurring role of mcgyver that's her big yeah is mcgyver
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still on no it it was a recurring role so she was on she in fact she became
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part of the main cast in seasons four and five and ended season 5 but so she had a TV roll she was fine again she was
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fine she could tell she had some fighting skills so those are some of the new where's like why and I don't know
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her name so obviously it doesn't bother me that much but why not bring back the girl from part
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two I know I don't I know that yeah so now let's talk about the new the other
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newest edition female let's talk about the big because people are going want to hear her thoughts on this they're gonna want to hear her thoughts Megan Fox she
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was Lee Christmas's girlfriend they have a 19 18 year age difference in real life whether that's their age difference the
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film wasn't really acknowledged so Doug thoughts on Megan Fox's performance in expend affordables expend
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affordables this was the biggest uh offense to the Expendable franchise even
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more so than previous yeah even more so than Rona Rousey Rousey the whole cast
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of young kids in The Expendables 3 this was awful it was just like put a sexy
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girl on screen she obviously doesn't know a lick of martial arts because
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every [ __ ] scene that she throws a punch it's a stunt actress right
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obviously a stunt actress it's terrible but then you've also got that seed duck where she's like telling the crew what
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they're GNA do oh yeah yeah the boss now
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okay yeah why is why is she why she second in command why know I don't know
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I I have no idea of her status of why she's so high up in the ranks uh she's 37 in real life St them is I think 19
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years or senior I I don't get why even Lee Christmas as a character went from
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krisma Carpenter's character to this I don't get the transition it doesn't make sense Chris MCC Carpenter is probably
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45 she's too old you look don't knock guys that have 19 year younger than them
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girlfriends because that's the exact age difference between me and my wife wait a minut is that is that much I keep
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forgetting is it 19 is it no how wait how old are you I'm 45 she's
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26 all right C that part out I know I'm not I'm not
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look I'm not right you know what legit you're right it does happen we literally have a host on our show where this does
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happen fair enough fair enough but it's rare but we know why it's happening in this no yeah no it's it's a problem in
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Hollywood and it's been a problem in Fly movies for three decades he's regularly casted actresses that were 20 25 30
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years younger than him yeah but the other my my main problem with with the Megan Fox character in this movie is the
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way they introduced her it's just a bad scene every SE her Psychopathic R yeah I
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understand that what they're going for and you can see the landmines that the Christmas is are is stepping on because
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we've all been in fights with our significant other before and you can see the mistak he's making right and not
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de-escalating if you will but it's just it the scene just didn't work and I
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don't know if it was the fact it's a combination of yes sorry step on it's a combination of poorly written dialogue
41:40
and poor acting it's a really bad combination because Jason had the same dialogue writer for his films uh lines
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and he was fine but when Megan delivers her bad lines it comes off really bad because she can't outa a bad line a good
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actor can take some bad lines and make it not so bad and I get what they were going for with that scene because they
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wanted to create the idea that these people had a history and they still had
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to find a way to coexist when they were no longer together that but you know what else they were doing and this is at
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the very beginning of the film creig what else they were doing is they were establishing this is an R-rated film and I want to get to this yeah so they can
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drop the F bombs that's right and I want to get to this point of this film they Sly himself says I'm really excited
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sorry there a horrible Sly voice I do better job than that he was saying really excited are rated so he was he tweeted this
42:30
somewhere I can't on Instagram or somewhere he actually said I'm really excited for expand before because we're going back to the hard R rating so their
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idea of R rating is to curse and arguments and put dild on the bar I
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don't I like this was their you get what I'm saying this was it was R-rated for the wrong reasons we don't want R rating
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for language sure cuss wordss whatever that's not why we want our R rating we
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want our R rating cuz people's heads are exploding we've got arms being chopped off with uh helicopter blades like
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RoboCop violence that's what we want we want it for that now sure throwing the curse words but the dialogue and the
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fighting just to curse it's actually nobody wants to hear a fight with cursing save that for War of the Roses films this was a horrible yeah it was
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just like look we can say the FW again yay I don't know I wanna you're right I agree Ryan
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you are right and there was some extra bloody scene but it wasn't anything to
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like yeah my my biggest issue with Megan Fox in this film was you like we're in a
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time now where you have female actors that are legit
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Fighters people that like bronda Rousey let's go back to her in the LA in the last film give her credit for give her
43:49
credit for her fight scenes that was her she cannot act but she can fight so you
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tell me that all of hwood you can't find a female that has extensive training of
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martial arts that can actually do their own fighting on screen you want to you want to push this like strong female
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character thing but you're strong female in this film it's not her fighting it's
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a stunt actress fighting and it's [ __ ] because like she she can't measure up to Jason STM or any of the
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God forgive me because I know Jason Statham's name but not any of the Asian actors but the guys that are legit imate
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martial artists they were good they were good they were good but it's them fighting on screen right so she can act
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on screen but when it comes to the fighting let's call in the stun actor because she can't do you can't find yeah
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no and again this gets back to just missed opportunities because I understand they want a younger quote
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unquote actress to appeal to whoever they think they're appealing to but why not get what she's much older now but
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why not get like a Cynthia Roth rck or or even like a Zoe Bell from the Tarantino Universe great she Fant and
45:03
she's pretty too you know yeah yeah and Donald B just said any woman from wrestling there's plenty yeah you could
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have gotten what's her face Snoop Dog's cousin who was on the Mandalorian her real her name's Mercedes
45:15
something I forgot Sasha Banks is her is her wrestling name but yeah Donald has a
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great Point there's plenty of female wrestlers but again like why not call up Zoe Bell Zo can you imagine Zoe Bell and
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Jason STM doing that fight that that argument she's phen Zoe Bell is
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phenomenal maybe could afford her honestly I don't know she she's not a like a household name though she's a
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stun actress but she can act she that's the difference is she can act I'm
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picturing that scene in my head right now I'm picturing Zoe Bell doing that Megan Fox dialogue no that that's a
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great that's a great call why was Megan Fox hired she's box office and film
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poison she's absolute poison I think she was brought on to say look at my cleavage look at my and bringing the
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teenage boys to the screen teenage boys are have not been interested in Megan Fox since she was fixing her car in the
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first Transformers film like this nobody cares about anymore know I know you you said to bring in a younger crowd she's
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got to be 3577 she's she's an old she's old hag in
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Doug's World Bo she's too old for Doug well yeah it's crazy she's only three years younger than my wife so it's
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not yeah I don't look at her as oh she's so young and I yeah it was a casting stunt it was designed to bring men in
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and it's low brow men here's the news flash for these movie Producers men don't think like this anymore we
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actually don't I hate to say it with the internet we can look at girls whenever we want we don't need we don't need
46:43
films to do this if I want to see a hot girl I can go thought on whatever computer and see them very quickly so
46:49
just give us people that can do the job on these films we're expecting some sort of decent acting not a Charisma vacuum
46:55
she's an absolute Charisma vacuum she is box office poison and she's film poison I can only imagine what she's like on
47:00
set when I first saw her when that argument with STM I I thought it was just like okay boyfriend girlfriend have
47:07
had a fight the boyfriend's going to go off on his mission and leave the girlfriend behind but when she came out
47:12
and was like part of the team I roll I I don't know I I rolled my eyes so hard did you guys feel the Earth shift
47:20
because that's I said no [ __ ] way is this happening I was so mad I was so mad all
47:28
right we got two more cast members to talk about I know we're talking about the film scenes as well look there's nothing really to talk about the film scenes hey you know what this is almost
47:34
a spoiler free episode so that's pretty good so people still want to watch this film they can let's talk about Curtis 50
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c Jackson so we went from Terry Cruz yeah I know it's black actor for black
47:45
actor but they have to do that so the teres is gone who to bring in s co-star from the Escape Plan films comes on to
47:52
this film he is by far one of the worst acting I've ever I didn't realize how
47:58
bad like when he said his lines it was like I am not going to emote I'm literally just going to talk I can't
48:05
tell is he like big and strong or is he just big I I actually don't I couldn't tell with his outfits on I didn't even
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think he was big either he seem like a larger guy but thoughts on 50 Cent on
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his acting I I have absolutely no thoughts on it like I said the biggest
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the the most glaring Omission in this film is the lack of Terry Crew and the lack of acknowledgement for why he
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wasn't there maybe the last film he got injured remember he was oh I know why he wasn't there didn't he do something that
48:35
kind of oh yeah there there was some issue with accusations or something that he
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said he got I think it was a a political stance that that he took no a film
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producer had sexually I don't think it got physical but there was some level of harassment
48:54
leveled towards name I got that's not it's not fair but he's the host of
48:59
America's Got Talent now so I mean May's busy yeah it's a dog sh
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Show but I would have preferred I I can't even well 50 Cent was he the
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computer guy in The Escape Plan films wasn't he the computer guy yeah but wasn't he the computer guy in this movie
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too I I have no idea trying to think of a scene where he did something that was meaningful and I feel like it was like
49:24
oh we have to jam the Detonator signal or whatever was he the Detonator guy who says we can't do anything with these
49:30
detonators that was his job to say this is too much even I can't do this they ever tell you about the
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time sorry go ahead Doug no just real quick I'm reading Cruz claimed that he was purposely not invited back because
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he refused to drop a sexual assault lawsuit against a highlevel Hollywood executive oh see that's what I thought I
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knew there was some sort of was say like he was being blacklisted but it there's some uh Muddy Waters regarding the
49:54
production and him and yeah and that's why even in the third film I think it went back that far that he had a lower
49:59
part in that third film when he got injured at the beginning of the film and then it's so funny if you look at the star power of those movies Terry Cruz is
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probably just as big of a name as Stallone and STM at this point yeah you
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you can't like if you want to compare apples to apples um black guy to black guy Terry
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Cruz that's what they're doing they're doing that yeah that's it was an obvious placing one black guy with another which
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is like a why why again why can't the cast director say the give an
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opportunity here's the tagline for the film on the poster the tagline and this what I mean they basically they're
50:38
trying to redo part three again which is I don't know why they did that but old blood meets New Blood that's the tagline
50:45
for part four when they tried to already do this for part three they're like like
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Sean said at the beginning of this episode hey remember those things that didn't work for part three let's try it again for part four makes no sense that
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that is actually the tagline of the film old blood meets new blood but if that's the case fine why would the casting
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director say hey we have an opportunity to hear from any starving actors who are out there you know going to readings or
51:09
what do they call that uh auditions can you fight do you have fighting background are you black are you Asian
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that's great are you female are you male whatever it is great let's get all these minorities in in here get a diverse cast
51:23
fantastic like you can get these guys cheap you get people that are hungry and starving to get them on the cheap and
51:29
make the film better yeah but I think the problem is Ryan you don't even need that character so they could have just
51:35
saved money by not even having that character but then you don't have somebody for Randy Couture to talk to
51:41
sorry that I'm trying to make a better film I but he but that's he's not new blood he's that's what I mean he's not
51:48
his character existed because they needed somebody for Randy Couture to talk to because if not Randy cout would
51:54
have just been sitting there and and then Randy Couture gets to repeat his stupid cauliflower ear speech which
52:01
again it's I know I get it because it's think ready Couture has a problem with it with his cauliflower ears so he has
52:08
to feel a need to explain it in every episode no but he did it he never did it since the first film he did it once I
52:14
think again this is those stupid yeah yeah the call backs oh but
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about 50 Cent okay so you get a like an aging actor you call him a ex Navy SEAL
52:28
he shoots a couple of guys and is like forgettable otherwise like what is the
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[ __ ] point there's no need to have him there's no also even if you're gonna go that
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direction was Michael ji white like too much money he would have been
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great he would have he knows how to fight yeah and he would have been a suitable replacement for Terry Crew
52:53
yeah got size he's got the acting chop he's got the Charisma man Michael J
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white doesn't get anywhere near enough props as he should and this would have been a perfect movie to put him in tiny
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liser is dead right say again tiny lster I think he died within the last two
53:12
years maybe Debo yeah because he's another one that comes to mind like an old school monster
53:19
who would fill who could fill Terry Cruz's shoes you know what I mean but if he's dead then you know
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dra Bo what did you guys think of the job that Jacob skio did is he died in 2020 Doug oh all right
53:35
all right or should I say what did you think of Antonio banderas's mini me okay that's what I
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thought talking about he was fine he was fine I I he and he he dropped a meme
53:50
girls line out of all things was that what that was when he pulled up to the shootout in the beginning of the movie
53:56
where slide died where Barney died and he said get in losers we're going shopping am I the only one that that
54:04
mean girls I don't know that I I just want he play so basically I just want to get this out of the way with Jacob who
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played Antonio banderas's character's son in the film he was I guess for better for worse he basically does an
54:17
amazing anono Banderas impersonation I wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised Ryan if the script had the
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Antonio Banderas character name and then they called up Antonio manderas and he said I'm not doing that piece of [ __ ]
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and they just crossed out uh or they just added a junior next to it Sha Sha Malloy joined us in the chat
54:38
again he's agreeing with us like got Michael J white Carl Weathers Tyas Hughes who's that I don't know who that
54:44
is Cynthia Roth Rock like you said before Craig and he goes on to say yeah tons of actors that could have cast
54:50
completely dropped the ball yes they did I agree Sean so that was Jacob he was fine but he basically he was so on canny
54:57
and his Antonio B there's impersonation it was like watching a clone version of a young Antonio was it was like I guess
55:03
for better for worse it seemed like it was I don't know he nailed the voice but it didn't even make sense for the
55:08
character because in the m in in the third Expendables movie um the Antonio
55:14
Ben Carris character was an older guy that hadn't really made it so he was on
55:19
the come up but he was well past the point of being on the come up but there was no point in his story that made me
55:25
think oh yeah at some point he had a kid that would completely replicate him you know what I mean like the Antonio Bas
55:32
character in expendable 3 seem so laser focus on on what he wanted to do that
55:38
like how do you have the time to create this little mini me version of you agreed now you're looking too deep yeah
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I was gonna say since we have Sean here again he's the host of the the I must break this and we have not done it yet
55:51
so let's do it now for Sea's ears let's talk about the performance of Dolph
55:56
lungren uh thoughts on Dolph Len's presence in this film did he have my the
56:02
first thing that stuck out like they they commented on the wig did he have that because of he was
56:07
filming aquam the time no was that a wig or was that his hair
56:13
that's the question Sean might know Sean might know was that he was also this was after his cancer battle too wasn't it I
56:20
don't know I think yeah I think it was after because that was during the pandemic wasn't it the cancer thing yeah
56:27
I didn't think it was a wig they referenced him having the a certain kind of hairstyle I don't remember what they
56:32
they said it was a wig they did he yeah but I thought because he was like the
56:38
the Aquaman guy the father right wasn't he Jason mamo's yeah they didn't they
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film Aquaman like four years ago I know they've been doing there was Aquaman part two was out I saw the trailer for
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it actually yesterday in the theaters it just struck me that maybe the two were filming he was going through cancer
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treat that could be all right Sean says yeah it was a wig no Dolph was fine and I there was that one funny scene where I
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think they referenced somebody the bad guy and not giving him a second chance and they were like hey remember in the
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first movie when you screwed us over and we took yeah that was one decent callback where I felt I actually felt
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bad for God I was like he's yeah but I've been here with you for any other events like I've proven my worth since that mess up but I and I hate to say
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this with Sean in Sean's presence because he runs the podcast in Dolphin I I know this not Dolph's fault and I
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don't genetics is a [ __ ] and he is suffering from cancer and I feel bad for his health but boy I felt his age in
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this film like sly's 10 years older and he was moving around and like Dolph's
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actually year younger than Andy Garcia and Andy Garcia seems Sprite and and viable and all that stuff so I really
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felt Dolph's AG in this film and that was really hard to watch he felt and moved like an old man and I he the
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sniper in this movie because I he kept I remember was funny when he
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couldn't he couldn't hit the shot and then he put on like his reading glasses yeah but there was like a point towards
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the end of the movie where there was a sniper element that was really important right sure I think here's Sean saying
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there's another [ __ ] plot point where they established that Gunner meets a girl online and then they do nothing
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with it did they yeah they mention that didn't they something didn't they say something about that yeah there's sure there's so many throw away here's some
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other flaws of this film that I just I got to bring up one was I didn't like when they were on the ship okay and they
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had to diffuse the bombs and get Sten comes in for the rescue act to get them out I looked at my I looked at the time
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of the film I'm like oh are we are we ending the film here are we ending the
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film on the ship this is it this is think about all the other Expendable films they were going to Bases or going
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to the Jungle even Expendables 3 they had to fight here on top of the building they they had the whole like that whole
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abandoned city fight I'm like oh we're doing the last battle on a sh
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this is like under siege territory this is I have a really hard time with other
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very few movies can be Die Hard meaning I like my action films to be a little bit more outside of things I don't like
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them being contained within one element like a ship excuse me so when we were at this
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point where I'm like okay so if saan rescues them and but the bombs are on here and the whole point of this is to
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diffuse these weapons where are we going after this oh we're staying here
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I was like this is all for Budget reasons again where did the $100 million go because not only are they on a ship but it's a fake ship it's CGI ocean CGI
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Sky CGI Minibots so I don't know why did
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this have to happen on a ship what was the reason for that and why did it have to end on the ship I felt very let down by the whole ship and where did Sly
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copter come from anyways sorry thoughts
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anyone no you're right they again it's bare minimum film making and how did
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Barney Ross know that STM was outnumbered outgunned this was like the last harah so he comes in with this
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armor of weapons and just lays out the bad guys all but of course Andy Garcia's character until the last moment there
1:00:12
where they have some sort of discussion he gets blown to pieces I don't I don't know how Barney knew to come in when he
1:00:18
came in I does anyone know how that happened or because the script writer said page 98 Barney flies in and the day
1:00:26
and why you're infected by Craig just looking into this too much and there's
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there's something that's happened through this whole series which I can't stand I'm in the military I'm in the Navy and we wear What's called headdress
1:00:37
which is your Bray or your cap or whatever I can't stand it when films do this because in real life in battle that
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I I could be wrong but these guys aren't going to be wearing like the fact that Barney like Barney's wearing his Beret
1:00:50
in the helicopter like why why bother wearing the official Expendables uniform like it's like a car costume it's like a
1:00:56
superhero costume what's the point you're in a helicopter laying to waste some terrorists cool do you think like
1:01:04
Barney's boss is going to be like hey I understand you rescued everybody in the helicopter but you weren't wearing the proper headdress like can you these guys
1:01:11
are supposed to be badass but yet they wear this headdress and it's just and then even Andy Garcia's character was
1:01:16
wearing that braid too and he's not wearing it properly he's wearing like a Baker's cap it's just to me it drove me crazy take take off the Beret you don't
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need to wear was a a point where Sly was like Hey we're going to put the Beret on The slic Stone Shop yo that's a good
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you've never done a Sly before that's a good Sly not a bad Sly a bad SL he's the
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PO father for the sly cast I hope so so anyways the bray wearing is horrific but
1:01:44
Dolph's character overall I just I felt his age but it was good seeing him the wig if it's from cancer or the hair if
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it's real either way poor choice Dolph I'm sorry it doesn't suit you it looks weird I don't know why they just didn't
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keep it short keep the wig short I don't like I feel bad if you had a cancer treatment and you had to get a wig but
1:02:04
why the funny wig why not just get a proper toupe anyways W either whatever
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hair put ponytail put it no it's not haris side it looked horrible it was distracting okay yes it did look
1:02:14
horrible but when you have the CID The Expendables when you have the Expendables on screen you're showing
1:02:21
Ronda Rousey 50 Cent whoever the hell else um when Dolph was on screen I was
1:02:28
like yeah all right we're we're back we're back to The Expendables because because that's what the expends was to
1:02:34
me was like the OG guys not all this new blood basically all the ones I care
1:02:40
Randy is a nothing character I'm sorry I know he can kick everyone's ass I get it but I don't he's okay to ro
1:02:47
CIF they definitely gave more lines in this film than part three they're like hey you're one of The Originals so they gave him way more lines in this film
1:02:53
they ever did in part part three he was Harless if you stack if you stack him up
1:02:59
like with the original guys like Sly and and Schwarzenegger and Dolph and Mel
1:03:07
Gibson and John Claude Bruce Willis like all the guys from The Originals like Rand cotour like Fades into the
1:03:14
background you don't even notice him he doesn't have a filmography to support it he's got he's an MMA Legend but his
1:03:20
filmography never warranted him being inexpiable I hate to say it but I would
1:03:25
rather seen Steve Austin in that role for all four films like honestly way
1:03:30
more Charisma way more screen Charisma I would love to seen Steve so lastly let's talk lastly before we close up the
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director of the film was the guy named Scott W I don't know if I said his name properly he born in 1970 he's done a few
1:03:44
films you might remember him when he came out with this film in 2012 it was it made waves and headlines at the time
1:03:50
because they used real Navy Seals called active Valor do you guys remember that one what was it called oh active Val
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yeah okay so he did that film was like independent SL I never saw it I I want to see it but the big deal with that was
1:04:03
they used real Navy Seals and that kind of made it more authentic for the fight
1:04:08
sequences then he followed that up with the the 24 film based on the racing game
1:04:13
Need for Speed starring Aaron Paul remember that one I remember it coming out yeah yeah bombed and then he
1:04:20
did a film in 2017 with the wonderful Josh Harnet called six below miracle on
1:04:25
the mountain this was based on a true story apparently and these type of films I find very boring you're revealing the
1:04:32
problem with this series didn't Simon West direct part two yeah and then last so we go from directing the first one
1:04:39
Simon West directing the second one to these [ __ ] no-name directors Patrick Hughes was the third one and then he in
1:04:45
23 2023 he has two films one is expend affordables and the other one is a movie
1:04:51
called hidden strikes taring Jackie Chan H with uh John Cena Yeah that that
1:04:58
was on Netflix I think I I've passed it on Netflix before well you didn't watch it no come on there's only so many hours
1:05:05
in a day I'm 49 years old Ryan I need to be more selective with this the the way
1:05:11
I spend my time yeah and the coloring of that movie poster for hidden strike is
1:05:16
the same coloring choices of The Expendables 4 I kid you not it's the same promotional poster color
1:05:22
scheme what does that tell you okay nothing that that no that promotional poster design is as uninspired as these
1:05:29
movies they're making but just find it interesting that both films directed by the same guy think they hired the same
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cookie cutter it's all it's all no effort film making Ryan there's no
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passion behind it there's no vision behind it it's all just connect the dots
1:05:46
fill in the blanks paint by numbers nonsense and it's there's all kinds of
1:05:53
reasons for that there's all kinds of reason reason that we're not getting the kind of movies we should be getting anymore but at the end of the day it's
1:06:01
just uninspired no passion film making so
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this is the final expend Expendables film yes or no I don't think unless they
1:06:12
need to wash some more money I there's no other reason if they if SCE said this
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is supposed to be the first episode in a new Trilogy it lost it made 50 million out of $100
1:06:25
million budget they lost at least 50 million that's a lot of money does the studio
1:06:32
care though I don't know I don't Craig how does launder and money work I don't know anymore I you can take a tax write
1:06:38
off right Warner Brothers seems to Big on be big on that they took a whole Batgirl movie and just wrote it off as a
1:06:44
tax loss Donald B says that Sly was supposed to be in Hidden strike and he was replaced by Cena interesting so if
1:06:51
Sly knows enough to not be in your straight to Netflix movie then that should be a sign because
1:06:56
we've seen some straight to streaming movies that slides down the reason why I asked about a sequel because the film
1:07:03
didn't perform of the box office it's the first of the four films it did not make its money back but was not a box
1:07:08
office success maybe streaming Revenue I don't know we'll get give it more money I'm not sure how that works um correct
1:07:15
yeah if it did come out it would go straight to streaming you think so yeah the reason why I ask is because
1:07:22
let's pretend they do an Expendable 5 I guess is alone back in it again at 80 what are we doing here we've also we've
1:07:29
established to this point that the only way to get people to care about these Expendable movies is to have Sly on the
1:07:36
poster if nothing else that's the thing is they're not even making this these movies for the
1:07:42
original intended audience anymore this what happened to the franchise Guy this is sad I'm actually it is sad all joking
1:07:49
aside it is let's go full circle here as we close up that when the first Expendables film came 2010 13 years ago
1:07:57
I think I saw that in theaters twice I saw if not twice I did see it twice myself I was legit excited the remember
1:08:04
the airplane sequence movies is great when when San comes out of the cockpit and they lay
1:08:11
waste the fry and fly and Fry whatever it was and stay on the front CGI that's
1:08:16
him in the front of this old plane that they actually bought for the film and and then thenone broke his back on that
1:08:23
movie yes we're all that's right we're talking about s's doing these stunts breaking his back Steve Austin's in it
1:08:29
people were kicking ass they were old men and Grunts and the punches were real and all and then part two got vanam
1:08:36
playing a kick ass badass bad guy there somebody like this guy's a dick but we loved it we loved it it even had those
1:08:42
fun liners between like Bruce and Arnold the big shootout the mini car it was like that fun action film sequence and
1:08:48
then part three is okay was it rated R and the New Kids on the Block weren't that great but you still had Mel Gibson
1:08:54
playing Mel Gibson it was so much fun to watch you're like okay part four will be radar again and then holy smokes they
1:09:01
just everything that they just every ball that could be dropped was dropped
1:09:07
it's the natural course of a franchise though like you're G four I hear you but
1:09:12
not necessar I I don't mean I just unless listen if you're the Fast and Furious franchise and you're dumping
1:09:19
$300 million into that production then you're gonna suffer like it's if exped
1:09:26
one came out and it kicked ass at the Box off and they said okay we're gonna we're gonna pile out four more of these
1:09:34
five more of these movies you're gonna say oh my God please don't because it's never going to be as good as that first
1:09:39
one unless the like I said you're dumping hundreds of millions of dollars into the production which we can see
1:09:46
they're not because it's on screen they're not they're not they don't give a [ __ ] I don't I I just don't think a
1:09:53
franchise like this has staying power and if they would have announced the fourth one after the first one came out
1:09:59
I would have said no it's not going to be it's not going to sound good and this gets back to the idea Doug that they
1:10:06
think just showing up is enough and I'm sorry in 2023 it's not
1:10:12
enough especially when you've made better movies in this franchise I'm sorry Andy Garcia sauntering on the
1:10:18
screen is not getting me to do a standing ovation for your [ __ ] movie I'm sorry Craig people are making better
1:10:24
movies of this in home Studios do you see did you ever see like the the re the rework of the Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth
1:10:31
Vader fight hallway fight again we're talking about passionate filmmaking we're talking about people that have a
1:10:36
true love and passion none of the people involved with this movie were passionate about what they were
1:10:43
doing so that's sad then that's sad because are professional it's like watching one of your favorite sports
1:10:50
with NBA NFL or whatever and you're seeing these star players phoning it in
1:10:55
barely making passes and saing down the field and you have these amateurs on the sidelines it's like oh man I can really
1:11:01
play I can actually do this no you don't have a name on your back it's okay how how dare they go on a writer strike if
1:11:07
you have if you're getting outperformed by amateurs and you have the stones to
1:11:12
to to to demand more yeah no don't give me I don't even blame the writers here because the writers are are they're
1:11:19
given they're given plot points that they need to hit and it almost becomes
1:11:24
like connect the dots so it's a studio problem now before we close folks well
1:11:30
sorry before we close as we're doing so now we I do want to say this is of course our Sylvester Sloan pilot or
1:11:36
sorry our Flagship show let's just quickly talk about what's going on with Sly and his life right now we know that
1:11:42
he did the Tulsa King yeah he did the Tulsa King season one fantastic show highly rated both by critics and fans
1:11:48
I'm I can't wait for season two for upcoming projects yes but is there
1:11:54
season two going to happen announced the season two but then s's like I'm not sure I'm no I don't know why he said
1:11:59
that every other indication indicates he's in it so I've read as much as I can read and I've been following he's still
1:12:04
in it I think he was just saying he was tired which is probably just asking for more money I wonder if also he was doing
1:12:10
some behind the scenes things like hey my involvement in Tulsa King is somehow
1:12:15
tied to two more seasons of the family Stallone yes oh yeah yeah that part two
1:12:21
is coming out uh but yes season two is coming out there's no way put they can't do season two it's been green lit
1:12:27
without s's involvement I just don't see that Happ no there'd be no reason to watch it no we talk like Sopranos
1:12:34
without Tony like exactly you wouldn't watch it yeah Samaritan 2 was officially
1:12:39
announced that officially is Happy Samaritan 2 is currently in pre-production as we speak Cliffhanger 2
1:12:44
apparently is still in pre-production with the scheduled 2025 release what's your thoughts on that guys I'm not thinking about it I think the same that
1:12:51
I think about Cliffhanger as I think about this Highlander reboot they've been talking about with Henry Caville
1:12:56
like none of that even blips on my radar we all know Cliffhanger 2 is going to
1:13:02
suck I'm also worried about it being like a p the torch thing too like you
1:13:08
know he's not gonna be on the side of a mountain he will be there's no way he's not gonna be on the mountain somehow
1:13:15
yeah but but is he gonna be doing like all the that heavy lifting that he did in Cliffhanger one I don't or is he
1:13:20
goingon to pass it off to some younger younger scri that he's training
1:13:25
again the problem with this is they think Cliffhanger 2 is going to be enough yeah and it's not well Donald B
1:13:34
over there says Marvel learned that they can't get by on cameos anymore and and
1:13:39
he's also EXC sounds like he's just learning about Cliffhanger too yeah yeah Cliffhanger it actually has happened
1:13:45
they have a signed director to it and everything it's what's funny Ryan remember the the old helicopter pilot in the first Cliffhanger that's what I was
1:13:51
thinking is he going to be the old guy now I bet you SL Sly is 20 years older now than that guy was
1:13:58
in 20 years older I bet you that guy was like in his mid to late 50s now have you
1:14:04
heard about this movie that he's working on right now called armored it's about a father and son working as a security guards for an
1:14:10
armored truck company encounter a team of wouldbe robbers while on a bridge they become trapped and must come up
1:14:15
with a plan to escape ensure the survival didn't they make a movie called armored already that has that
1:14:21
plot you got Jason Patrick in it so obviously he's going to play the bag guy yeah so that's coming out like this
1:14:28
is he's got movies coming out guys so guess what this podcast has legs we are
1:14:34
going to be doing movies longer than we thought we still have some of his old catalog to take care of so before we ever get to do party a kitty and studs
1:14:41
the films keep popping up before we ever get to that film we we we shouldn't wait on pre-product movies though
1:14:48
pre-produced movies we still have to do what are we doing next guys let's talk about this we always do that at the end of our show is it shade we talked about
1:14:54
shade running out yeah we've got shade to do don't we still have there's an 80s movie
1:15:00
we haven't done I'm sure yeah I think shade was the one we're kind of we still have to do that reach me film I don't
1:15:06
know if we wanted we got to do that one at some point yeah let's see we did Victory right yeah we need a pallet
1:15:12
cleanser at the very least yeah we did the Billy D Williams
1:15:17
movie with Rucker Hower um oh yeah yeah oh Jud D we haven't done as as a trio oh
1:15:24
man what are we doing here folks what do we do do we do shade do we put up another poll maybe between shade and Judge Dread
1:15:31
or you think Judge Dread is just GNA win no Judge Dread will win hands down um Craig wants to do Spy
1:15:37
Kids yeah game over man Spy Kids too three SP kids three game over reach me
1:15:43
we didn't do did you say reach me yeah we haven't done reach me yet yet no that's what that's on our to-do list
1:15:50
yeah it's a assemble cast all the same but we haven't done that one yet yeah we could do or we could put what if we do a
1:15:56
poll why do we do Spike history versus shade either that's gonna be an awesome episode either way I love both those
1:16:02
movies avenging Angelo we still got I wasn't a part of avenging Angelo you you guys neither was I that was one of
1:16:09
Ryan's lost episodes that was Chris Goff his name you're supposed to say his
1:16:14
name wow feel free to bleep that out it's too this is live on the interwebs
1:16:20
we're live everywhere no I wish them all the best wish him good health miss that guy
1:16:25
get a great voice for radio all right all right so guys closing thoughts or we're
1:16:31
g to close the show here what do you think again I expected really to I feel
1:16:37
like we really [ __ ] on this movie but I really expected it to be a lot worse and
1:16:44
like I said at the beginning of this movie it was fine it wasn't hard to watch plan it was an escape plan to yeah
1:16:52
uh but it wasn't exceptional and it wasn't even good that was the greatest crime that it was just
1:16:58
like Doug's forgotten most of the plot points two weeks from watching it I'd
1:17:04
say a year from now I won't be able to tell you anything about this for anyone that has listened to this episode and
1:17:10
still wants to watch the movie I'll give a quick snaps here I have I actually have it here and then we'll close The Expendables embark on a mission to Libya
1:17:17
aiming to thwart the mercenary swaro ramit from stealing nuclear warheads for
1:17:23
a mysterious terrorist named Austin led by Barney Ross the team includes members Lee Christmas toll road and
1:17:29
gunar Jensen along newcomers easy day and gallon their yeah their mission takes a
1:17:36
devastating turn as their vehicles are destroyed and their plan shot down and it appears that Barney has perished
1:17:42
leaving the team in shock the cia's involvement new allies and a plan to
1:17:47
avert a catastrophic conflict soon UNF flowed amidst betrayals reunions and explosive action the expend pursue a and
1:17:55
his Sinister agenda changing the course of events to save the day there you go how do you like that one just for the
1:18:01
record Craig I I read that the name easy day was uh homage to Navy Seals
1:18:09
battlecry the only easy day was yesterday which there you go which TI
1:18:14
with the director and his Navy Seal Connection and I believe that Randy cotor actually says that in the film The
1:18:21
only easy day was yesterday that's funny all right so next episode I
1:18:28
I need a pal cleanser do we just make a call or do we want to vote which one do you guys want we could we haven't put out a vote
1:18:34
in a while do like a three-way vote threeway vote okay yeah we got what do
1:18:39
we got can the three-way vote cannot include Judge Dread you're right you're right no that's
1:18:45
fine we aving Angelo oh yeah right
1:18:50
Angelo sh Spike three that's a good three-way okay all right we'll go with
1:18:55
that and the next time we see a 308 will'll be we do party Kitty in STS okay well Jesus I can't wait to do that film
1:19:03
with you guys all right guys this has been an absolute joy and pleasure and I hopefully it won't be as long between episodes so we'll we'll look to late
1:19:10
November let's try to look to late November to do another Salone production okay yeah sounds good thanks everyone
1:19:17
thanks for watching watch us live and watch Channels and listen to us on the
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podcast farewell
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