Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

welcome everyone this is the Stallone podcast network podcast we're primarily
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on YouTube as a channel our channel has close to 300 subscribers now so we got to feel pretty good about that I feel
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very good about that well yeah yes like 275 or 260 subscribers on YouTube so
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thank you to everyone that has subscribed on YouTube but just to explain the show again to anyone who's listening on their earbuds i'm ryan of
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the going the distance to rocky series podcast so that's probably the feed you're listening to right now but if you're not if you're on the rocky minute
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or the slide cast check out my show go in the distance the rocky series podcast and give us a listen i'll let the other
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guys plug their shows for that same reason so thank you for joining us all right yeah i'm craig from the slight
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cast every Halley's Comet we release a new episode so there should be a new
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episode in 65 years or so and we're chronologically going through slice
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career currently in the in their early to mid 90s the mythical Loch Ness
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monster like Judge Dredd episode is somewhere in my computer waiting to be finished editing and served up for you
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all to enjoy I want to say on Twitter your Judge Dredd episode has become a joke I don't mean like a joke it's
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become like a caricature people are actually commenting on Twitter about its release it's what do you call it the Loch Ness monster yeah it's gonna be
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like one of those great lost albums you know like Brian Wilson's Beach Boys smile or or of several other albums you
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know where at this point I can't imagine that it'll live up to all of the anticipation
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oh no disappointed folks you're better off just not editing in it just releasing it at this point the build ups
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too much yeah okay Doug from Rocky minute we go through the Rocky movies
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and we analyze one minute of movie footage at a time we have two full
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seasons plus some bonus episodes such as these Sylvester Stallone podcast network
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episodes and a couple of other special episodes of me my co-host Jay have done but you can find those on dueling genre
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calm and that's what I say guys that it's really to talk to you guys a on a selfish level
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it's just nice to talk to like-minded dudes who are movie nerds and Stallone
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buffs and you guys are funny well I think we are you make me smile which is
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important I look forward to our chats I feel like it's been too long since our Lords of Flatbush and review and I will
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say that editing job that was my judge dredd that was an absolute pain to edit
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it destroyed me I almost just couldn't finish it was such a painful process to review and watch and then edit that
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discussion and that's the only reason I listened back to it Ryan because I knew the blood sweat and tears that you would
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put into it so I felt the least I could do after we was subjected to watching that movie was a little bit of your pain
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and listen to your edit and it came out great it was a good episode I think that's why it took us so long to get
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back on mic because we just needed some decompression time after that I tell you man we we slog through stopping my mom
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will shoot but that Lords of Flatbush episode was that was a tough tough recording brutal yeah my my therapy just
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ended for the doctor's note I do want to indicate guys that today I can almost
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guarantee you will not hear any Las Vegas chicanery sirens ambulances people trying to get
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through the gates our move is complete we are now safely away from the city and
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we are in the suburb nice quiet day the birds are downstairs so section of the
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dogs who I can't control it's not gonna sound like I'm ever in jeopardy if you do hear sirens on my end know that
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something big is going down well Craig I mean that provided some a lot of entertainment on our Rock you managed
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recordings absolutely I love the sirens yeah well I just sold in and best of
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luck to to you and the missus there in the new place so I'm glad you're settled in and thank you our life's have all
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been pretty busy that's part of the delay but I'm hoping to get another recording done December if that's okay
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with you guys I over the holidays there it'd be nice to get another one in before the new year absolutely for me I mean it's hard to even get a
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game of checkers going at work this time of year for me okay yeah Roger that all right guys well the fans voted we
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had three three movies up for vote escape plan detox and/or ICU depending on whatever
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that criteria is what was the last one ants or something please tell me that
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that was like something you would written to yourself can just twist the knife a little bit more of it my pigs
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always get dismissed yeah just you know
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right on the pay no mind list I always make sure that when I do the poll that I don't ever indicate whose pick is whose
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because I don't want any kind of like let's not pick Craig's again but for whatever reason we didn't even bother
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putting up death race 2000 we knew that was gonna lose come on man don't make me
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go back into therapy will get Craig's in one day 100 one day crazy will win so
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xscape line one let's talk about our viewing history before we talk about the film I did see this film once before and
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that was in the theaters in 2013 so it has been six years since I've seen the film I saw it in theaters as well this
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is actually a really memorable experience for me because before I moved here to Las Vegas I used to come out here on vacation a lot and I was out
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here with an escape plan open and there is a year-round multi-screen drive-in
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here in Las Vegas if you want to talk about dangerous I saw this opening night
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at the Westwind drive-in in North Las Vegas what a cool experience I mean you
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eight mothers I think I stopped at Del Taco on the way and got a couple tacos to watch him enjoy the movie I watched a
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couple minutes on TV within the last year and then I watched it again full for this viewing I did not see it in the
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movies we don't get out to the movies often these days and back in 2013 I
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would have had a three-year-old and a one-year-old at home so right movie nights they were few and far between at
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that time I saw this on demand it was like a home movie night date night with me and the wife
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that was my first and I think I might have seen bits and pieces of it I'm like FX or something on TV somewhere in
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between but this was a second time that I really watched it all the way through yes my second time as well interesting
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like I got it when it came out on home video oh wow if I see it on TV I'll pop
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it on but then you know continued going about my else work and stuff and I'll peek in when I gonna hear an interesting
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part come up but really to sit down and just dive in and watch it it's lonely twice when I saw this on Netflix is here
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on Netflix and so for all of our Canadian listeners Elyse you can see this on Netflix I felt like I was
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watching for the first time I can't believe how much I forgot the twist at the end a lot of the subplots care even the
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actors that were in it I feel like the only thing I remember was is that Arnold and sly are both in it with the
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exception of one actor I remembered every beat of the movie hmm Wow I remember the main through-line
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nothing really caught me as a surprise I remembered the ending I remember the twist at the end I remembered most of
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the actors that were in it wouldn't think too much of it surprised me it was such a new movie to me that I almost
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thought that part of a Mandela effect I'm not even joking so it's weird that I had forgotten what so much of the plot
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so let's get into it let's let's go let's start talking about do you have your famous synopsis ready to go I do I
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do so we meet ray Breslin a security expert who gets inserted into prisons and
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breaks out of them to expose their flaws so the prison can improve upon them to make like a break proof prison he's
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hired to test a quote-unquote escape-proof prison but the plane goes sideways otherwise there would be no
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movie and once inside he meets the sadistic warden Hobbes a fellow inmate rottenmeier whom he forms a bond with a
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huge prison guard Drake and dr. Kyrie Hobbes and Drake take great pleasure making race suffer but he makes fast
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friends with rotten liar who's eager to help ray get out they work together on a recon mission to get information on
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where the prison is ray finds out that they're on a barge in a mill do ssin and it's really no way to get out of there
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so find out that his business partner Lester Clark played by the great Vincent D'Onofrio set them up for a payday
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meanwhile the warden Hobbs is trying to get the location of some like a modern-day Robin Hood named Victor
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Manheim who robbed Meijer used to work for but rot Meyer refuses to give up Manheim because he's loyal to his dude
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ray and rot my higher hatch a plan to escape they enlist the help of another inmate and doctor Kyrie played by Sam
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Neill they're able to get off the barge killing Hobbes and drink in the process they make it to land in Morocco where
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Ray learns that rock Meyer was Manheim all along ray makes less his business partner pay for sending him up to close
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that loop and end the film fin your most detailed last synopsis ever I don't
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think we need to cover the movie alright thanks for joining us everybody in the
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so the movie has a cold open so if you were to watch this movie I mean it
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showed the title escape plans beginning but it hasn't opened where we just see the character played by special song
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called ray Breslin he's in prison we don't know why we don't know why he's in prison I love how they introduced two
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guards as already as these schlub like kind of narcissistic caricature of
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guards like right away you know like the one bald had a guard he's the tough dude and then you got the schlubby tubby the
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other guard who's kind of lazy but it's like why are guards and movies always like despicable people though Doug
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you're a police officer right I am yes say it again every episode our guards
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like this in prison yes there's two
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types of prison guards you have slubby type the do-nothings the overweight type
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or you have like the bodybuilding ready to crack somebody's head open type Wow he's very few in between so this movie
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does depict those two individuals right away at the beginning I would say it's pretty accurate the guy with the bald
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head and goatee here is putting sly or ray Breslin into his isolation he's got
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a unique name I thought his character was gonna be bigger in the movie because his name is rogue ro age Eve I decided
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so a weirdly named name to give a guard that has very little to do in the movie I don't know that stood out to me is it
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odd the credits or do they actually say his name both it sounds like a name that
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sly would would have given one of his care there's his own characters in the 90s yeah it's being a sly he had no part at
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least credited for writing or directing as well because there were a lot of beats in this movie that felt like they
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had sli's stamp on him one example is the female character on his team invites
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him to dinner and he references how bad her cooking is and at the end they do a callback that totally felt like slighted
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me what's that job offers oh maybe later why don't you and me have a very special
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tea [Music]
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and that's the ending of the film folks
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if you haven't seen this film and that is the end of the film with a movie starring Sylvester Stallone Arnold
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Schwarzenegger you'd be like what in the world the sequel was them just having dinner instead of that from what I
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understand abomination that we got if probably would have done better ray Breslin he finds himself in a security
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prisoner right away we see him looking around observing it's obvious as an audience member we're already seeing him
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know were to seeing the small things the smoke breaks the layout of the cell he's feeling the walls and looking at all the
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rivets just every which way one might figure out how to escape and of course we as the viewer and rightfully so cuz
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were normal human beings we're looking at this as like there's just no way out of here he's looking around for a way to get out and finding out how to get out
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of the cell are you thinking to yourself there's any way I could break out of this prison it just seems like a lot of work you know you have to memorize guard
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rotations and cigarette breaks and stuff and it was completely dependent on it being next to a fire station right I
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mean that's not really a flaw in the design of the prison it's more a flaw and location in his escape plan in this
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initial part of the movie that those factor ins I guess it's it is a flaw in
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security expert ray Breslin sighs do you guys remember what this was originally called and they say it in the movie at
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least twice the tomb yes Oh to Mia because that's referring to the big prison later yeah this opening
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sequence is a little bit ridiculous are there prison cells like this number one dug I've never seen long with these spanning ceilings
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there are isolation rooms and stuff but I don't know I've never seen this cell like quite like this the walls were like
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30 feet high yeah I don't I've never seen anything like that I really really
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enjoyed this opening sequence though I think it it adds to the movie if you had just done a cold open where you
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established that he's a security expert and his he's being charged with figuring out how to break
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the tomb I don't think the movie would have worked as well because getting to see him in action prior to the main mission if you will
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for me at least it made the movie infinitely better you know it's kind of a contrast to lock up too because at the
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beginning of lock up you're led to believe he's a free man yeah but he was just a prisoner on furlough and here
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you're led to believe that he is an actual prisoner he's just this is his job he's a free man working what's he
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doing here with the toilet paper can you remind me I don't know like he rolls up so many pieces of it but he jams it in
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the oh right in that little doors so I can't latch thank you that's where he gets his food from yeah
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so what we're seeing here for our listening audience of course which is everybody we're seeing like a basically
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a montage of the daily life of quote unquote prisoner of ray Breslin and he's taking whatever he's given whether it's
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toilet paper food items and how these items can thus be used for his eventual
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escape and then he's going to actually escape even we as an audience were like how did he do it like a Houdini trick
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and then he goes back and explains it and that's where we find out that yes he is a he worked for the Federal Bureau of
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Prisons to figure out how to escape out of unex capable prisons mm-hmm
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I know this is a movie and I'm not looking for flaws right away I'm thinking there is it their way they could do this without impersonating a
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prisoner yeah how about you just bring him in as a consultant and you go through every inch of the prison any points where the flaws are exactly do
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you think that one of the main things is the personnel their habits and stuff
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like yeah yeah if that's the case then they just have to train the personnel that's part of the consulting is he'll
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say look they're doing the rounds at the same time every day like he would just go in and observe I think when people
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know they're being observed they don't act naturally as a reality TV watcher like survivor and stuff and Big Brother
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I've watched interviews of people who say get first they are that way and that's why in those shows their
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friendships break down because they start become real people again they actually they get so used to the cameras
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that they start acting more natural again it does get to the point where you start getting used to being on on camera
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that you stopped putting up an act it's harder to put up an act for so long that you just eventually just
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become you again make policies and stuff are and laws are written after mistakes
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are made you might not think that the prison guards routine and the time of their rounds and their smoke breaks and
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stuff would play would be a problem until you actually see it I mean you'd really have to observe them over a long
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period of time for the record I I did enjoy this movie like it wasn't bored I had fun watching it but it's a very
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flawed movie it's kind of based in there in a real like situation I ain't totally
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know what you're saying but his job but like his real-world job is to be a person escapist expert the best thing
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would be kind of to marry your scenario with this one where you do all that work before the things even built you come up
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with an SOP and you do all that advance work and say okay this is how you're gonna run your prison but could you
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cover 100 percent of the issues Doug you're in the law enforcement have you ever heard of a prison escape not
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anything this sophisticated exactly and I guess what I'm getting at is we're led to believe that the type of criminals
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that are locked up in these places are that we're talking Lex Luthor intelligence they're dumb enough to get
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caught but the smart enough to escape the prison well escape proof means escape proof by any level of
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intelligence or smarts but in order for this escape to work at the very beginning of the film which we're still
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that is we had to have a car explode in the parking lot that doesn't seem like a really a believable scenario that's what
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I mean this is an unfair advantage for them to come back to the prison and say look your prison has flaws and you can
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escape from it but in order for a prisoner to escape from your prison we need to have outside help correlating
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factors an exploding car a firefighter outfit all this stuff came into play
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it's fun to watch on film deceived how did ray Breslin break out but the average human being I would say daresay
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there is no human being that has this kind of go to work force that they could
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set up a cart bomb in an apartment whose just say some old lady visiting their son in prison is it walking to the car
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right in front of there and now I'll really be in prison because
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he's got a murderer hands what was raised three rules that you know in order to escape knowing the
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layout understand the routine and help from outside or in yeah yeah it's
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ridiculous after he gets out he goes back to meet with the warden and he details how he escaped yeah and who was
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that dude that warden was big I want to say he was big like 2530 years ago like ray Breslin we see him in a firefighter
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outfit we're gonna hear that little synopsis of how he broke out we'll play that for the audience in the car right with him is an actress that I really
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enjoy her name is Amy Ryan and anyone that's watched the office will know that she plays a spoiler
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Steve Corrales character his future wife and also in the wire yeah you beat me to
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it yes I was gonna say I love her in the wire so I fell in love with her she's just so adorable she's amazing great actress so when she popped up in this
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film I guess I had seen her scenes in the office and the wire maybe after viewing this film whoa she's in this
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film and then we have driving the car playing hush Ray's best friend who's the
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tech expert Curtis 50-cent Jackson's in this film probably the third best actor
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in this movie I'm not gonna hey I like him in this oh yeah it's good casting
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and I haven't seen him in a lot of movies but in this one I think he he nailed their role I think he out performed a lot of actors here that
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should have delivered a little bit more so they have a little car ride reunion were introduced to the tech expert which was played by 50 cent and Amy Ryan who
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plays she's a senior member of the Breslin Clark Prison people did you guys
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ever see Gone Baby Gone yes and she kind of plays like a trashy yeah character met I never watched the
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office but I didn't realize how attractive she was that's where I remember her from gone baby gone and she's tremendous she's 50 now which is
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not a bad thing I'm 44 for Pete sakes I'm the same I wash her in films from 10 15 years ago awkward and yeah she's
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she's like adorable I'm totally gushing about her because I just think she's really cute I think right you just started your coverage
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Rocky Balboa I think she would have been a great little bit raised yes yes you totally that thought came to me watching
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this film Craig you and I sip at the coast Paige put in the green ward that had she been little Murray and nothing no
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offensive the actors have played little Murray but I think Amy Ryan would have been the perfect little Maria yeah I
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know it breaks my heart and but this was too late because this came out Oh 3000 third 2013 Rocky Balboa came out at 2006
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and the age difference is 22 years difference between the between Sly and Amy I worked that out already because
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they have a love interest or kind of a flirtatious interest with each other and again I have to do the ages sliced 67 in
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this film and she was 42 or 44 now I know we cover this every episode where
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we talk about sli's age do you think he was playing 67 in this movie I say early
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60s I'll give him the early 60s like 60 maybe just say he's 60 years old and she
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the actress Amy would have been 44 still that's still 16 years difference between these two you know what gives him away
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in this movie and I'm and I'm waiting to see how it's handled in the irishman kind of saw it in Captain Marvel - when
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they D age Sam Jackson but sly sorta has that I'm an older man walk right yeah I
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don't know but if you if you guys caught it in Captain Marvel they did a wonderful job D aging damn Jackson but
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when he ran you're like yeah that's a guy in his 60s running yeah okay here are you saying it's good point never thought of that I haven't seen Captain Marvel yet I'm
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hoping that they'll have a new version of Captain Marvel where they have this computer software they'll give brie
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Larson a personality by the way that is available to watch on Disney Plus Ryan
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it is and even though I have dizzy Plus and I'm able to watch him for free brie Larson has the personality of a
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cardboard box okay I don't care look
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well she could hear she ever to come on our show listen I wash endgame either her character Captain Marvel that's the
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first time I saw it on screen was endgame which was a great film but her character and or her performance and end
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game turned me off so much about her character that I don't want to watch her origin story I will say this and this
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isn't the brie Larson podcast in Captain Marvel you get the reason that her character is kind of personality less
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okay before we move on about sli's age and everything did you notice
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sort of an incan assistants eat the way slide looked here and I don't know if it was a shooting schedule or something but this scene if
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you have frozen right now it's a pretty slim and trim looking slide there were a couple of scenes where he looked a
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little puffy and when he's in the tomb the second half of the film he does look a little less in shape I agree Puffy's
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is a byproduct of the HGH I think when he knew that he was gonna be filming with Arnold he was like oh man I got a I
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got a up my dosage maybe what did you ever see bolt to the head yeah he looked
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really good in that film and that was 2012 it was a year before this yeah he
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slimmed down for the Creed films I had a more of some bill which I like there were scenes in this movie particular
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shots in this movie row were you like wow that looks the sly of like 1995 alright so here we go so there's a scene
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here yeah there's the warden I seen that guy a million times I'm CEO of DNC
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security I might have heard of us no well we're an independent security
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company hired by the Federal Bureau of Prisons to test the integrity of their
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maximum-security facilities nationwide this is ray Breslin he's my partner and
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resident Houdini would bless Vincent
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D'Onofrio everyone's hearing having it up as usual did you guys notice who he
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sounded like during this scene not Vincent D'Onofrio that's for sure he is channeling Heath Ledger's Joker
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voice what do you hear like holy smokes he's doing that Heath Ledger
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impersonation which came out about five years before you know we're gonna find out how Rael does his business here it
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says for the last seven years Ray's been doing this so if we're gonna go by real life age he started doing this at the age of 60 a little past his prime I'd
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say but even if he did it even if we say he's 60 now he started doing this when he's 54 or 53 one of the people before
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sly they considered Bruce Willis for this movie yes they definitely wanted
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somebody of a seasoned nature somebody who's been around the block in whatever profession and we'll find out later what
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Ray's profession actually which just really maybe chuckle for the
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last seven years Ray has been inserted into every maximum incarceration facility okay he pleasure a system he is
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I'm picking that up each and every one of them is 100% escape proof and
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apparently yours wasn't and he got out come on see okay fine oh yeah I suppose
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you're gonna tell me how you did it I think he wants to know doesn't seem like it okay well of course he's gonna want
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to know how they broke out I think that was meant to be slight insult to the warden it seemed to me like ray thought
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that the warden was part of the overall problem with the prison's escape eNOS
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okay well I mean he was a little stricter with his man and how they took their breaks and stuff maybe the leader
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of a the CEO of a place that was just broken out of if he doesn't want to be the guy to admit that there was
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something wrong with his prison so he'd rather just stay behind to him but why were they hired are people breaking out
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no thanks to them no stop it you don't have get it was there any need to make
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Vincent d'Onofrio's characters like a germaphobe it's there's no payoff it's
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such a needless character moment it's D'Onofrio he just hams it up and
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everything he does you looked at the script he's like this is so boring like the film itself is not a bad little
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escape plan double twist double cross whatever type film I get it but every
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single character could be played by different actor and the movie doesn't change I would argue that Arnold is a
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key performance in this movie I don't think you could swap Arnold out and have it be as effective of a movie
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interesting I will say that Arnold's performance was the highlight mm-hmm this was a better Arnold film than a sly
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film hands-down the fact that Arnold and slide the two biggest action stars of the 80s were finally making a movie
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together that wasn't a two-minute scene in the Expendables it big deal and I remember pop-culture sort
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of getting excited about this it wasn't just the Fed the individual fandoms it was a big deal in mainstream media about
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the fact that these two icons were finally teaming up for a movie something people had wanted for a really long time
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and I would argue that Arnold had sort of been out of the game long enough and he had done I think The Last Stand
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either right before this or right after it yeah but I think Arnold approached this with the idea that he had a lot
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more to prove than slide it and as much as it pains me to say this there's a couple of sections of this movie where
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it seems like slide is sleepwalks his way through kind of Bruce Willis's it up and just takes the pay paycheck and lets
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some other people do the heavy lifting to be fair to Bruce Willis so we see omits is balding I get I get full credit
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to Bruce for that and I know for one hearing that these guys were gonna pretty much share a leading role
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co-leads I was excited for these guys in their own right they were enormous action
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stars the box office doesn't reflect that Lee said the massive box office didn't but I don't think anybody would
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argue that this wasn't a monumentous movie for both of them I love Arnold I love Sly I've loved them
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my whole life as entertainment people even some of their movies or a lot of their movies are garbage but they're fun
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garbage you know that we all recognize out what they are they're fun they're fun to watch and I think that's why I'll
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say no word this is a film though kind of failed them as action stars I think
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it's kind of a combination of it is a smart film like it's not it's not a dumb film it's silly in a little way but it
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has enough intrigue and dialogue and relationships that it's not a complete
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it's not a complete disaster it's not a dumpster fire but I think it our sorry misses the mark because we didn't get
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almost an Expendables type team of it would have been better had they been like opposing players against each other
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or they were on the same type of team or something to that effect like some sort
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of I don't know I feel like it was played once a safe but it was played to their age a little bit so I think the
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box office was wasn't bad it made double and a half of its budget but I think it
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was partly because it was sly and Arnold but I think it didn't have legs because it wasn't that great
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look they spent their prime years being real-life rivals right that I think
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seeing them as part of the same team as guys were pretty close on the same team my guy I think that was the real payoff
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for them too and I think it would have been hard for one of them to take a straight-up villain role I don't think
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you could do like a faceoff type scenario I think both of them are big enough stars that they both want to be
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seen as the quote-unquote hero of the film did we talk about that they were originally considered for faceoff got
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the Fiat bill well it was done for the other one I mean John Travolta was kind
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of a schlub compared to Nicolas Cage at that time so the I thought the same thing when that came out that boy they're really uh they're really asking
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us to believe that only their face has changed here now if that my biggest what if do you guys know who was originally
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considered for bad boys no flying Arnold no Jon Lovitz and Dana Carvey been
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awesome I would Ally man there's an alternate universe train how that has that and I want to see that
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movie so bad now how tall is Sly they would given him some serious help in
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this movie have much shorter than Arnold when you see them walking together maybe
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an inch difference it's wise supposed to be what five eleven i oh no no no that was before we
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always seem to forget a sight and I did look up Arnold Arnold is six - yeah sly is maybe five nine like they show them
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walking together so it's not an Apple crate situation they had put Petipa lifts in my man's shoes you borrow Tom
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Cruise's but squarely yeah is where Frankenstein knows souls on his shoes
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sly is five nine and a half and Arnold's six two and a half that's six inches
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well five inches is a lot I'm not gonna lie to you maybe this let's let's see how ray broke
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out of this we got a boo along here right your honor warden let's start the top
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any break requires three things knowing the layout understanding the routine and help from outside already if you know
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the layout the weak side is obvious and Bentwaters case is the secure housing unit the government expenditure was
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seventeen million dollars building their facility state-of-the-art the only problem is is
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located next to an unsecured fire garage of course it is first I needed to get
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inside so I made some enemies once
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inside it was obvious you were short-staffed federal guidelines recommend two guards are present when
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transferring high-risk inmates you only use one knowing the guards routine was the next step 32nd into my rec time I
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see how it took a smoke break seven minutes every day there were no eyes halftime to the routine all I had
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to do was pick today and arrange for a distraction at the front gate for exactly 4:00 p.m. but at this point you
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were still locked inside a steel box to get out you had to have a key cool no
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very good chuckling though what you're gonna hear now is he talks about how he took the plastic film from the chocolate
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box and put this yeah the wax would put it over top the keypad which happened to be right next to the door they was able
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to keep open so you could access the coat and also an unsecured fire garage in the middle of nowhere what was that
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fire garage gonna service the prison yeah it seems like you wouldn't need an entire fire okay it's established that's
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really in the middle of nowhere I mean they pass on the way out they stopped at that general store or whatever I mean I
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guess it was there in case that general store burns down or catches on fire man maybe that's their local and volunteer
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fighter part I mean in the prison that's basically what he did is he used the wax got the code you know punched it in if
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numerous times til the cold work he broke out the car blows up in the parking lot and he was able to climb up
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and out and around and they and they got out and holy smokes I got out you would
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have to have genius level type of thinking to even even come up with the plot to write this let alone do it as a
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real human being and Amy Ryan wears a disguise for no reason yeah true good
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cause sure I guess just in case security cameras pick her up but there's no crime here yeah cuz all authorized I love what
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the authorized a car explosion in a public parking lot it just kills me I like rides God's at the little old lady
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come to visit her son or whatever she's collateral damage and rays alone visa
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yeah this eats up a lot of screen time I mean this movie clocks it in almost two hours but I really felt that this 20 or
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so minutes really adds a some importance to this movie it makes when he goes to
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the tomb a little bit more you know you're like okay well this guy obviously has a skill set let's see how he applies
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that it's a fun open you're not bored you get to see just how good he is at his job because now he's gonna be put
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into a situation where it's really gonna test his ability to escape so now there
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are the meetings however all the this is not really me Ryan 50 Cent's lie they're
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all together at this conference table and a new contracts come in to set up basically the story for the movie now to
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give them a job that's gonna be off the books off the record it's gonna be dangerous they'll feel uncomfortable
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about it except for of course d'Onofrio's character and sly cuz it's a lot of money and they want to take him
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once he likes to challenge the ex to the money it's twice his normal rate of two point five million dollars the CIA
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lawyer that comes in to kind of pitch the job to him she's important obviously because she comes back later but I think
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we need to just acknowledge her existence yes dia lawyer yeah fifty
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cents asks or are you uh are you a spy she was worse I'm a lawyer I really think they did this plot twist a
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disservice by having her look so different here in the scenery her hair is up big review later her hair
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is down and if you're not paying enough attention it wasn't immediately clear that she was the girl from the beginning
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of the movie yeah it took me a while to figure it out at the end there this lawyer is Arnold's daughter okay her
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intention here is to truly put ray in the prison with her dad to get her dad out of prison ray doesn't know this
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I think Vincent D'Onofrio also then seizes an opportunity to get rid of Ray
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so there's like two things going on what does Vincent d'Onofrio's character know at this point I don't think he
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knows anything right no I think he just just sees an opportunity to to get rid
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of ray and get this contract money his endgame is given a job as like the CEO
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of the tomb so he sees an opportunity just to get rid of his partner yeah and
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she's there for her own reasons to get her father out I had a hard time following who's who in the zoo sometimes
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that guy a little bit confused like who's working for who mr. Breslin after ending extraordinary
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rendition the agency is looking for alternate situations for incarcerating the sort of people who commit acts so
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despicable their best well how can I put it lemonade disappeared when we're
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currently testing a prototype to deal with people no government wants on their books but first and foremost the people
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financing this need to know these facilities are escape proof before the whole system goes online globally we
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know that she's sitting in there to get her dad out but he doesn't know that he's just gonna go in there cold so who
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are the people in the prison the tomb the worst of the worst we know that the prison the tomb is run
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by a shadow government agency of ex-military type people were told that later who are they working for and why
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are we having so many men between the age of 35 and 50 or 67 in this prison
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are the old like high interest criminals of what sort it's also not exclusively
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States either it's you know there's a mate's for all from all around the world that part kind of confused me they say
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it's privately owned and run why would the owners take such a special interest in these despicable criminals money the
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girl Amy whatever her name is how did he she mentions it that's it
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there's there's no trials no convictions people are just thrown in these privately-owned prisons you know there's
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no due process rate basically says yeah I'll do this job it's dangerous a lot of money but yeah sure you know there's no
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challenge I won't do great so as if you were that's what we know we know that he's gonna go into this prison and we have no we as a viewer have no idea what
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what it's like you gets a chip put into him he's gonna get picked up by the people they're gonna take him to the prison but right away things go awry
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he's a kidnapped basically by people on the van they be shove him in they know
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right away to take out the chip in his arm after searching his body for a chip so they dig out with a knife the tracking chip that his company put
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in his arm so now he can't be tracked by his people he gets knocked out like via gas or chemicals I got shot in the neck
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with a needle long story short he wakes up in the new prison and the cells are old glass eye out how the cells are
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raised up off the floor instead of being stack up next to each other like in a true additional prison they're kind of
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catty-corner you know so there's like a pot of four cells it's kind of a cool setup right away this is kind of a cool
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moment we as an audience we're seeing the jail cell or the prison cell at the same time the character does so it's and
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it's unlike anything we've ever seen before so we're kind of just as confused as he
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is yeah and that performance from Sly there is me waking up every morning
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that's awesome they kind of do like a zoom out or a pull out where you really get the scope
39:53
of how big this place is we just know that raisin serious doo-doo here and now we reduced to the warden
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played by a young donald sutherland named jim caviezel who is an actor that
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I have enjoyed throughout his career you don't like her greatness I like him he's terrible in this I really I just think
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the character is so like stock we made the young Donald Sutherland connection I
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mean Donald Sutherland character in lockup is so over the top he's a great
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villain in this movie it just felt everybody was trying too hard from the guys writing the character to the
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performance none of it worked for me Jesus sadistic guy and I think he plays a good villain yeah it's over the top
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but I mean crisis it's the lone movie of course it's over the top okay so here's
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the intro this kind of a nice little intro I love these guards in like the nondescript hmm you know the creepy
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masks I like that too there's under sunny 450 Anthony Porter's mm-hmm welcome to the
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International detaining Union intake I'm warden tops with word the marsh and it's
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now warden Marsh but I just saw you two decided that's that mask you know and I
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didn't see a man killed on a transport helicopter and thrown out either right mister point us your intake is finished
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what my evacuation code is 3 102 75
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isn't better I love that Craig shaking
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his head a little yeah I've just tried to figure out what about that Doug doesn't have a problem
41:55
I mean he's playing it really over the top but he seemed like a good bad guy to
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me I do love the fact that Ray instantly uses his evacuation code because he
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realizes that this is a situation that he should be in good great point I agree
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I actually agreed this is I feel like I've been crapping on this and I don't mean to be because once we get to this
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part of the film outside of that crazy Houdini act the beginning it's actually there's some parts of this inside the
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tomb that work really well and one of those parts is right here yeah I notice that right away that the bravado of the
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sly characters anyplace is not an issue this is just somebody saying look this my job is to break out of Prisons
42:38
already this is my back wish to code is this number let's stop the game what I like is through the warden here he
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doesn't know who ray Breslin is right now he actually does believe he's a real prisoner and so he's legitimately confused and like really what do you
42:52
yappin about evacuation code we're led to believe that he's just being a jerk but it's actually true he doesn't know who ray is I actually thought that was a
42:58
good to the wardens name is Hobbes right mm-hm do you think we're ever gonna get a shared universe with the Fast and the
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Furious like he is somehow related to Hobbes there's
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Vin Diesel's Sylvester Stallone Jason Statham and the rock like a big fast and
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the furious gang have to break out of a maximum-security prison on the moon or
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something and he's the guy in the inside do you need help from outsider in so
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he's there day paging Matt Marshawn paging Matt Marshawn well speaking of
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connection this movie was nominated for an IGN best action movie award but a lost to the Furious 6
43:42
so there's your connection and it was also nominated for another war can you guess what award it was nominated for a
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Razzie pres worst on-screen duo no surprisingly not it was just worst actor
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to still you know I I've argued against
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the Razzies a lot on this show but with this movie I think that nomination is justified oh come on
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it was the Warner's not letting them out his team doesn't know where he is I like
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that they kept the team involved we cut away to them a couple times during the movie to show that they're not just sitting back waiting for him to arrive
44:19
as soon as his tracker went off they knew there's something wrong as well and they're trying to use all their tools to
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find him so we're about to see it the first meeting between Porthos or ray Breslin
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but Porthos is he's secret identity for the prison and rot Meyer who's played by
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none other than Arnie so you might go this whole movie asking yourself why
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does Arnold's character take such a interest in this poor toast guy I is
44:48
because the name Porthos is his key word I like that detail yeah I agree Doug because when I
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first of all when I first saw this what I saw this yesterday and we see the Arnold character take an interest in the
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slide character right away I felt like oh they're doing this because it's lying Arnold as I automatically felt that and
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I felt that way through the whole film that the relationship was too contrived and I was never yes and when so when the
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daughter reveals that know your secret identity was a code word to my father that you're the one that he needs to
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contact and use you as a tool to get out of this prison it actually retro acts the whole
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movie the payoff is actually watched the movie again knowing so this is a movie where I will say that a repeat viewing
45:35
is almost necessary because what I thought were lazy writing it was actually smart writing to bring these
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characters together that it wasn't just to get Arnold and Sly on the same screen right cuz rottmayer was all too eager to put himself in the
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box and get beat up by guards and the warden and everything but there was a reason why as the first-time viewer in
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my eyes I forgot everything I thought this character that Arnold's playing he's sure loves sly that I thought it
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was just to represent their off-screen friendship but no it actually serves as a story purpose yeah and I love his
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introduction here where these guys are about to rough up sly and Arnold comes
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over and says leave Myles my little buddy alone his reveal is cool to where we see him from the back first and then
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it pans around to his front glorious goatee yeah Arnold looks great in this
46:27
movie the Arnold is aged well another slight hazard but I think Arnold's done less work on his face that green he
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still got his eyebrows in their original position they move his eyebrows
46:43
a little bit of a terminator sound I'm
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back away photos
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rothmeyer Emil rottmayer really not much in the handshaking mood
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right now okay you named the fourth
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musketeer it's a good name [Music] why are you here why do you care I used
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to work security forgotten the name of Mannheim Victor Manheim have you heard
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of the name man I'm Lewis II know he's a genius
47:29
it is this habit of taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor so there we go
47:35
now that I'm watching again that he's talking about himself yeah that's why he's no genius it's it's great yeah he
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knows that Porthos is the nickname of the guy that's gonna get him out of prison but I guess he's trying to fish to find out does he know anything about
47:46
me mm-hmm yeah another thing he seemed too eager to do was talk about the Manheim
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guy we know now that's Tim so he wants to know what is it I guess he's trying to find what did his daughter tell him
47:57
about him and now he's find out okay he doesn't know anything about me we're starting from zero here yeah you've
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heard that story before I've heard that story yeah now they try to find him but
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I'm not gonna help them okay Porter's don't get killed if you
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say so ask them to kill the guy in here the ladies body rock for three days hmm
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oh and to cancel the prison dance wouldn't hook up the prawn round goes to
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Arnold there so there you go so far last night's hopeful that makes sense is that
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Arnold is two characters ironically is so is so is Breslin or slice characters
48:44
it's funny how they're both playing two different characters Arnold was great in that scene though I mean I Arnold really brought it in this movie
48:50
this scene was a great introduction and right out of the gate and his best is yet to come yeah so Vinnie Jones is in this film
48:57
playing a baddie again I was like I can love this guy this might be my favorite Vinnie Jones villain just because of the
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way he goes out he was great Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels he was a good bad guy in that one got Richie guy right
49:12
yeah yeah ash he's not around anymore right I mean like he I haven't seen him and probably since his movie did he do
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uh one of the Punisher films was that him no was the other dude what he called a guy forget it forgotten thank you so
49:29
we see the warden working on a pet butterfly or a painting of a butterfly
49:34
there another useless character moment I don't care that this guy has a sensitive butterfly side it's a nod to the film
49:41
Papillon that's French for butterfly you heard that too but I don't see the through line is that a prison film
49:47
yeah Papillon with Dustin Hoffman and keep saying it I still don't know it's
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like a Dustin Hoffman and who's the other dude that did the bullet but movie bullet yeah I always thought it was
49:59
Papillion so that was no takeaway from today I learned how to pronounce that movie correctly yeah it's French papi
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all right you didn't know before you move to Quebec did you I knew how to pronounce it gee you guys are just
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America Papa Leon Papillon Papillon to
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the kick is to pop along please this is about as useless as the you know
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germaphobe Vincent D'Onofrio yeah the butter I think cuz there's no payoff to that either yeah I like how ray isn't
50:31
instantly sort of on board with rottmayer rock my rock buyers sort of
50:36
Olive Branch or you know wanted to be buddies mmm he kind of though come fight
50:42
and that confides in him but he trusts him enough to say I need to get into the solitary confinement area yeah I think
50:50
it's also an aspect of Ray's been in the game long enough to know that you have to use every asset that you can to get
50:58
what you need we also kind of see that Ray really wastes no time in putting his
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plan into trying to come up with a plan yeah well I think he knows the longer he's in here the less chance of him
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getting out there is mm-hmm the both Arnold slice characters are talking about getting slimed isolation right and
51:17
so in order for that to happen they have to have a fight that they throw punches at each other because in prison you know
51:23
having a fight and causing chaos gets you thrown to isolation that's your standard let's play this part here a
51:29
little bit of them fighting in this is where we see the art and real-life kind of mixing who would win a fight between
51:34
Sly and Arnold and they get to play it off a little bit okay
51:44
[Applause] sometimes Figgis groups really coming
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see what you can do right
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[Applause] you pick like a vegetarian size
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character rape punches Arnold I'll give slide credit because he's not afraid to be self-deprecating a little bit we're seeing this play out as an
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audience and that Arnall is unaffected by the punch you know any last he goes hit like a vegetarian I love that line
52:22
every time I see Slifer roll punch in any one of his movies I'm like man he still got it he's
52:27
still got that Rocky punch man
52:38
let's see it try this good look what's
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coming now I love the scene here a thunderlips
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versus rocky moment where Arnold picks up sly and does a double dose oh yeah
53:01
this is where stunt doubles come in you can see the pad in the lakes here yeah yeah that's a legitimate suplex load
53:08
like it's you know WWF style oh yeah these are stuntmen there's a reason why it's filmed from the back not the front
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[Music] [Applause]
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[Laughter]
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I love that because Arnold's character just literally just suplex body find
53:34
them on a concrete floor and he rape wrestling's about to punch him in the face that's a great moment actually an
53:45
Arnold like you said Craig really does deliver that kind of comedy and he delivers of this film mm-hmm
53:51
absolutely so the fight goes on of course it's broken up and they're both gonna be thrown into isolation this
53:57
isolation the box whatever they call it like it brought me back to lockup mm-hmm this has that old-style prison feel this
54:05
doesn't look state-of-the-art it's no it's an isolation chamber except for the
54:10
giant floodlights why does ray Breslin character think he needs to be thrown in isolation so does
54:16
he automatically assume that Oh isolation holding cells are escapable I
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think it's more easy to get more picture of the overall layout of the facility
54:26
and then also ya find an alternate holding area that could possibly have a
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weakness because he's established that that glass box he's in isn't gonna write him any needs for escape now you want to
54:38
look at every possible out that you have do you think those are slice hands here yes yeah okay yeah you can see the lack
54:47
of knuckles and flat knuckles yeah there's these big huge floodlights are just pouring heat and light on them
54:54
which is a great torture technique this is one of those classic movie sort of setups where you know you show something
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and you set it up for later the box becomes a an important plot element in the movie when the doctor
55:07
shows up I forgot sam neill was in this movie why live sam neill in this movie
55:12
somebody threw him a bone he's a pretty well-known actor isn't he nobody's going to see a movie because
55:18
Sam Beals did it though massive Park anybody come on not in 2013 so they did have a favor you
55:25
think I think so yeah well I mean when was the last time you've seen him prior to this that's a good question
55:30
it's just a weird cast yeah this is probably the best character arc of the
55:36
whole movie because you've got this doctor who was clearly compromised his values he's disregarded the Hippocratic
55:44
oath you don't really get any indication about how or why he ended up here but at
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the end he redeems himself and I love the fact that none of that is really spelled out there's references to
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daughters in this movie a couple times but they never clearly say you know what this guy's path was how he ended up in
56:04
the tomb and how he ended up compromising himself which I really really dug yeah I'm a fan I like it
56:10
I like his character they don't really establish him all that well but you can tell the struggle between you know his
56:17
internal struggle he goes through in every scene that he's in like he knows what's right even after Rey kind of
56:23
spells out the situation to him can see his mind is go and his wheels are turning this is the warden Hobbs and rot
56:31
Meyer Arnold's character he's going to tell the warden where Victor Manheim is
56:38
which is course that's rot Meyer so he's playing with him to buy some time and to find some metal that he knows is on the
56:44
floor in this room that Rey needs to do whatever he needs to do with that metal so that's kind of the setup here
56:50
he gets waterboarded more or less later in the sequence but this little interplay here he's gonna draw a map so
56:56
he's asking for pen and paper to draw a map to where Victor Manheim is and if we as an audience know that's gonna be something but I think it's a fun little
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fun little interplay we'll have to describe the drawing after it's done but let's hear the interplay tonight
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you know that many people he's a hero nine seconds you've a pencil and a piece
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of paper eight seconds I could draw your map
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fight him when I was a kid I always
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wanted to be an artist you are pushing problem was six seconds I tried and
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tried five dreams for two why done yeah
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so he says told you no talent as an artist that he had so of course for our listening audience he drew a picture of
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his bum with an arrow pointing you know this is where you can find adopted great
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he actually throwing crap at the warden they're saying did you have dreams as a child like I dreams of being an artist
58:19
but you know I've no talent but for you did you dream of being a warden no kind of a knock on his career itself throwing
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some shade yes that's the word shade as a kid kids say nowadays this is without even knowing where they are I mean you
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would question his choice once you find out where the the tomb is so he finds
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this metal the metal is used to loosen some screws in the isolation cell I loved the whole description that you
58:44
know they used what aluminum instead of steel for the screws and when subjected to a certain amount of heat or whatever
58:51
they rust as opposed to steel which won't and that creates a weakness in the holding cell or in the box right yeah
58:58
uses the reflection of the floodlight onto those rivets to pop them on out so he can pull up the floorboards and do
59:04
some recon and I also love the fact that Ray is partially right here he feels like they've been built underground and
59:12
little does he know that it's not quite what he thinks his theory was but halfway there but the reveal is is
59:19
really effective even though the CGI is real shitty it was bad CJ so yeah he says that this
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place is subterranean which would make sense as if you're like oh yeah subterranean cuz he says there's moisture in the air they get thrown into
59:32
the holding cell again the isolation both of them and he uses that metal to reflect the light onto the screws to
59:39
make them expand at point zero three cubic centimeters those rivets are gonna come right off he says they're gonna pop
59:44
right off so this guy is a genius man I got the other day this is like MacGyver level stuff here he gets in and through
59:51
it's hard to explain of course anyone listening at this Park has either seen the movie anyways or if you haven't just
59:57
go watch it anyways again it's amazing timing of him getting down running through the area we still don't know
1:00:04
where he is he goes through this this way in that way and he goes through a hatch the hatch opens up to go outside
1:00:10
and we see a big reveal that reveal is that he's on a huge 1,000 foot long two
1:00:16
hundred feet high cargo ship I think it's a genius place to have inescapable prison you want to work there it right
1:00:24
in the middle of nowhere that's my job in the Navy out in the middle of nowhere yeah right yeah yeah this is this is
1:00:32
pretty stationary this is a ride to nowhere I do have some nautical experience being in the Navy do work on
1:00:39
a smaller vessel it's not a thousand feet long I will say that no matter the size of the vessel you will feel the
1:00:45
motion in the ocean so this is where it's just movie I have never been on a cruise but it's my understanding that
1:00:50
all those big cruise ships you're not aware that you're on the water but it depends on the sea state so yes this is
1:00:57
played later into the film where he talks about well we must be an area of calm water because he actually says that like guess the ship is built with
1:01:03
stabilizers those stabilizers what cruise ships has that helps keep the ship from doing this every time the
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water moves it's able to counterbalance whatever you know whatever you're feeling in the water that is a real
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thing that ships and larger ships have but keep in mind that no matter how big the ship is the oceans bigger what I'm
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saying here for this yes there in calm waters for the rocket you can move smooth as glass there's no way a ship this big a
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thousand feet long 200 feet wide you're not gonna hear an engine this seems powered by an engine so I
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don't know how they're able to suppress the noise they even talk about the they go to the entry room at the end engines are noisy and surface ship
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engines are very noisy but they are never designed to master sound it's impossible and there's a far below the
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deck they're gonna be closer to the engine room anytime it makes us pee change anything you're gonna hear
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something they're going in circles too right there's just no way they didn't feel anything but Ryan I also feel like
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you kind of created a little Zen type poster there when you said what was it no matter the size of the ship the
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oceans bigger mmm that really just hit me man overall metaphor for life man I
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can see that printed on like a little motivational poster or something or demotivation yeah I just say and this is
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also the sequence where we get that tremendous performance from Arnold when he's in the box buying time for Rey yeah
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you know pretending to a freakout right when he starts speaking German that's the great thing about that scene and
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that performance is you can't tell where he is is he completely in control of
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this himself or is that switch to German you know him just going to his natural
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instincts or is it an attempt to confuse and by time it's it's a great multi-layered performance I think agreed
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I want to hear a little bit of it for RDS he's speaking German which we know
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is Austrian the Augustana ignor in here Austria and Germany how close are they as a country they're very close right
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they should I mean they share a border is that what they speak there is German in Austria I'd assume it's a similar
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diet like it's a dialect maybe cuz that's where Arnold's from is Austria Austria I what I read was this is his
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native language I don't know if it was German or Austrian I think there is some difference but whatever he speaking is
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his native language there's probably people yelling at their listening device right now but I think it's probably like
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Spanish where there's different dialects if you speak Spanish you can sort of understand but you you know there's key
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differences I know this is gonna sound silly but watching him go pretend to be crazy but speak his native tongue it
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would be true so see Arnold act in the movie speaking his native tongue it's easier as you know just to speak your
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own language and you're a better actor if you don't have to think about another language jean-claude van damme do
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in a film called JCVD where he plays himself yes but he spoke French throughout the film and everyone was
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lauding are that's applauding in a good way his acting chops because he was being himself and he was able to act his own
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language and it's in a great film a great film I highly recommend it by the way yeah I like that it was fun
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agreed it's at the point where ray realizes that you're gonna need that through that third component where
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you're gonna need help from the inside oh good catch I didn't even make that connection oh really but I just watched
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the movie as a progress along forgetting that callback of the three things you need I just without the doctor there on
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that ship forever oh the doctor saved the day he remembered his Hippocratic oath that was called they say right
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Hippocratic thank you I said hypocritical yeah or happy yeah epic
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radical well we get to reveal here with that uh Rudy's business partner wants to
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keep him locked away forever finds out who he's really holding yeah we seem
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Vincent D'Onofrio is revealed Vincent d'Onofrio's character is a shady guy the warden now knows who rape rezulin is we
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see that rape breslin's his book on you know how to make your prison inescapable is sitting on the wardens desk I like
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that Ray's book is like the wart minority admirers ray not knowing that he's poor knows the guy he has locked in
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his own prison yeah and then we also get kind of mini rocky 3 I have the tiger
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moment where Hobbes ramps it up and gets Vinnie Jones to really break Ray's
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spirit he doesn't allow him to sleep you sort of get Arnold in the hollow spot
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thinking motivated and saying hey you know you got to keep it together or else we're not gonna get out of here I really
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like that you see ray come through the other side yeah you gotta believe this torment has been going on for like a
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while it's not just a day or two mm-hmm this is an important scene coming up right after what you just mentioned
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there Craig to spend your life in prison
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tell me what made you do it
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tell me I was a lawyer prosecutor then I put
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away be the promise to me this man thought about that promise every day for
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three years blended his way out of prison planning on how he's gonna keep
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his word taking a man's life is nothing
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taking his heart that's everything is it everything he
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was a lawyer he was a process can you
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imagine the world before this film objection your order can you better get
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poring over books studying in law school [Laughter]
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from rock you better taped on the side yo basically his family got killed by a
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criminal hooky Moses you pulled away for jail prosecutor Breslin I'm gonna break
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out of this Jail kill your family they showed a tremendous amount of restraint here because all they do is show like a
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drawing in Ray's desk that says daddy and it's obviously kids drawing so you
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kind of deduce from that it was his family as he's saying you know you take your heart that's everything they didn't
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do like some kind of dissolve to his wife and son screaming or something like
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that I like that they show restraint and not going too deep into that detail very good point he's got all the pieces lined
1:07:38
up now they just need to get a message out that like you were saying the doctors gonna get the message out and that how that's done is he tells the
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doctor go to the warden's desk on his desk as a book in that book on this page
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is this kind of information the doctor will come back to see how did you know that book was there and how did you know
1:07:57
that that page covered that topic because he says I'm the author I wrote that book then the doctor realizes oh
1:08:02
boy people are in this prison that shouldn't be here you know on top of the fact that there is mistreatment of
1:08:08
prisoners we don't know much more about the doctor other than that he does work here on the facility as a prison doctor which every prison has doctors but now
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he's realizing this is a corrupt institution more than ever and decided enough is enough sends out the message to get the outside
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help from Arnold's people yeah and then we get the ticking clock which is sort of essential in a movie like this
1:08:27
they need to be surface-level at a certain time or else this helicopter will show up and just leave do we want
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to gloss over that instrument they made to get to see where they are in the hemisphere just shows Ray's sort of
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knowledge and he builds a way to get half of their coordinates I do like how they bring in this third character the
1:08:45
Muslim you know they realize they need to bring in a third to sort of help them escape I think it's
1:08:51
a great character I kind of feel like in 2013 he goes out the way he does is sort
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of I don't want to say if it's woke you know establishing that hey Muslim guys
1:09:01
can be heroes you know not the bad guy in a movie which I kind of appreciate it but it seemed like it was a little bit
1:09:07
of a 2013 right us social justice sort of through those people of bone and he
1:09:13
was pretty yolk - yeah when he took his shirt off yeah I was like wow this guy's he's put in some time he must have heard
1:09:19
that he was cast against lion and Arnold which has to be like huge thing and he was a damn I'm gonna have to step up my
1:09:25
gym game so the yeah the instrument they use is called a sex tent they made it out of whatever they made out of now
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it's kind of silly it just figures out what side of the world they're on you do need the horizon to you make this work
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by the way so it's kind of a film flub because he's inside that cell he only had the vision of the sky in addition to
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that Ray just uses a bunch of movie math to figure out that they're off the coast of Morocco yeah so he deduces this is
1:09:51
kind of - which humanists we're horse latitudes come more north the south what was
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talked like wise above the equator ignores the machito
1:10:04
yesterday there was no pepero tortillas don't walk brain over we're at sea
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no matter now your bill to the secret facility he put it on the water you're
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30 degrees north latitude that you wanna run water so you're gonna want to stay
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away from the Caribbean and the Pacific cities to the China Sea
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[Music] there you go lots of deductions not bad
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not bad ray mm-hmm this guy's a freaking genius the amount of knowledge that he
1:10:42
has as a secured he is six years ago seven years ago he was a prosecution lawyer that's his background not even in
1:10:48
the military all this information he has is from seven years of breaking out of Prisons he knows where to find yourself
1:10:54
on a global map with a couple degrees right hey when you're gonna do something do it all the way man oh it's the same
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so you list the doctor to get word out to rob Myers people yeah that's the last
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piece of the puzzle they staged a prison riot I love the fake out here where Hobbs gets faked out because he's
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watching ray on the camera and he sees him tapping out a message and goes to Ray's book which should have really
1:11:20
tipped him off that he was being played there's an international tapping code who knew like Morse code I guess he sees
1:11:28
that there's gonna be a riot in cellblock C so he sends all the guys there and then the riot is in the other
1:11:35
section of the prison it's great to see hots get played yes right now they got less card then now begins the great
1:11:41
escape really the black storm troopers or beating up the prison inmates and the
1:11:47
three amigos get other Heavy D and Ray and rock Meyer and then the smartest
1:11:52
thing Hobbs does here is he puts the whole prison on lockdown which basically locks off their escape hatch the heavy
1:12:00
mech magnetic lock why are the locks just magnetic they're heavy-duty magnets I mean if that doesn't make sense that
1:12:06
you would think if they did a lock it would just be a latch lock letting it closes and it just locks the only way to
1:12:12
open it would be with power if that makes sense so if the the locks go in power goes out locks stay in but the way
1:12:18
this prison is built that once the power shuts down the magnetic force that
1:12:24
connects them disengages in whatever lock you might because if they had disengages a lot can be picked or
1:12:30
compromised a magnet cannot be compromised if sa power goes out you
1:12:35
have five seconds before the backup generator kicks in it makes more secure
1:12:40
sense to use those magnets or you and I are not to build a prison together obviously so
1:12:46
why are all the cameras connected it didn't make sense that they would be sort of network and if one went they all
1:12:52
went but we get that great moment where ray tells the two guys to say cheese and
1:12:57
Arnold the other gentleman's I'll for the camera they hand out yeah they have motion detectors most of the
1:13:05
attempters don't work that way yes a motion detector will trigger when there's movement in an area yeah these motion detectors not only
1:13:12
that but they basically GPS the person yeah I thought they had some kind of transponder on their person no so did I
1:13:18
it's just a motion detector it's able to 3d analyze three objects moving yeah
1:13:24
okay all right I know it's just a movie but it's a fine line between the trying
1:13:30
to make it real life like real-life scenarios but then they use technology that is so it's alien technology did you
1:13:37
guys catch the moment when Arnold's character goes to the helicopter and he grabs the gun oh yeah oh my goodness
1:13:43
that was such a great movie cuz this is a gun that's not like a tripod right yeah it's it's a mounted gun yeah yeah
1:13:50
often that's Arnold Beam Arnold man there's two moments one the arnold reveal it so the definitely paying
1:13:57
homage that this is an Arnold coming back to a kind of an action movie because there's that see was at the very
1:14:02
beginning when you know sly doesn't get that kind of reveal he definitely it's the most screen time but the Arnold
1:14:07
reveal in the jail you know the turn around camera and then we kind of get it again when he receives the gun from the
1:14:13
helicopter it's almost like he's determined in t2 that's what reminded me of when he shot all the cops there with
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the tear gas from the top of the building it was that same kind of feeling that when he held this gun to shoot the guards it was a same type of
1:14:25
homage to the Arnold holding of a machine gun type movement mm-hmm and it kind of felt a little like predator -
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yeah definitely I got some predator vibes there so slide piece of Jones who
1:14:36
has the great he falls down the stairs and you know you get to see that pretty graphic shot of him at the bottom of the
1:14:42
stairs with a cracked skull and probably a broken neck yeah I think he's dead the
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Arnold's team comes in the Victor Manheim squad comes in to break they're
1:14:53
bought out of this prison cell I kind about for the captain and his crew because they're just sailing a ship are
1:15:01
we not to feel bad for them okay all right it's kind of like that argument that they made in clerks about the death
1:15:06
star in the contract that star the same thing these guys had to know I mean
1:15:11
there's masked armed security guys patrolling the upper levels of this they
1:15:17
had to know that they were getting paid dirty money but what I love then is that the captain's wearing like a captain outfit like if this is a really a shaft
1:15:24
it doesn't exist it's like I'm working for a shadow organization that's mistreating prisoners in the middle of
1:15:31
the ocean off the Moroccan guy but I'm gonna put on my captain's cap my captain's shirt I am the captain hey he
1:15:38
didn't go to captain school to not you know wear his suit yeah that's true that's true
1:15:44
he's wearing his getup I love how he calls down to whoever we've got a situation here yeah here I overlooked a
1:15:51
lot of flaws of this movie because I truly did enjoy it but the [ __ ] that I
1:15:58
cannot overlook is when Ray's hanging off this helicopter by the ladder Hobbs
1:16:03
is shooting with a handgun from the boat and hitting the helicopter hitting the
1:16:08
rope on the rope ladder give me a friggin break well I'll go one further but the fact that Arnold spots ray in
1:16:16
the water as well like that's just such a fluke if they were on the other side of the boat Ray would have been at sea
1:16:23
mm-hmm open-water their aim is incredible moving helicopter moving ship
1:16:28
their aim was amazing I think Hobbs had a couple lucky shots there I think the ladder on the helicopter was just a
1:16:34
complete fluke that bothered me again with sly in the water to get picked up
1:16:40
by the helicopter the how he gets there is really not important just watch the movie so he gets off the ship he escapes
1:16:46
from the engine room gets into the water the helicopter that's manned by Arnold's character they pick him up you'll notice
1:16:53
here the sly uses his left arm because he again tore his right arm and filming
1:17:00
this yeah uh-huh maybe a workout regime or something he screwed up his arm again and so he's
1:17:06
waving with his left arm because his right arm is amok oh I didn't know that yeah that he's
1:17:12
grabbing ladder by his left arm to see ah the only one-armed it because he was literally that injured I really don't
1:17:19
feel like Hobbes's death here was as brutal as it should have been now I know he gets incinerated or I really felt
1:17:26
like there should have been an up-close-and-personal dispensing of justice yeah I thought that too I
1:17:31
thought it was odd that classic eighties movie blowing up just gets blown up yeah but then showing his burning body
1:17:38
roll off the barrels that was kind of graphic I miss that yeah yeah you see
1:17:44
him fall down you clearly see that oh it's coming up I want to see it slice character shoots all these courses
1:17:50
explosive hazardous barrels right where he is of course they're all flammable he's already punctured the flammable
1:17:56
cans okay then now the material is running on to the deck the Kino shots coming the hobbs warden hobbes knows
1:18:04
he's about to die and he kind of shrugged his shoulder I guess I'm dead yeah he got me and I love how slice
1:18:12
character knew that the next shots the one that ignites how come the first five volts in ignited but the kill shot does
1:18:21
boom is that first time
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love Arnold's life have a lovely day [ __ ] the [ __ ] makes it where's the
1:18:47
body phone I missed that okay there's the pie I think this is a part for the audience
1:18:55
to at least hear how old this worked out at the end there's a vehicle approaching and we know this is Victor's people but
1:19:01
a female walks out and this is Kier nude Zach Galifianakis guy yeah so here we go
1:19:07
let's just check this out you met her before Jessica Mary it's an honor to meet you your work as the gold standard
1:19:13
in the field she has been my eyes and ears inside the agency hello dad
1:19:18
and she's also my daughter hello darling I missed you what happened
1:19:26
oh nothing nowhere you're Manheim didn't see that coming
1:19:31
shoulda yeah he really should have because he figured everything else out yeah
1:19:36
the first time you viewed it did you know was Manheim or we just as what okay I forgotten that's part where you've
1:19:42
right up to then had to do it we have code names code name rottmayer meant maximum-security incarceration
1:19:49
my dad was picked up it activated the code and that's what he called les clock
1:19:54
I needed the best and after you agreed to do it I use my contacts deep inside the DHS to get you
1:20:01
in when the name you gave me was the ID code report us-rok my email rahman and i
1:20:10
became your best friend you are not use Efendi I mean I had to get very hot in that
1:20:16
damn box I mean that was hot it did get warm yeah but it doesn't matter what
1:20:24
matters is that I'm out and so you alright that's how they tied that up but
1:20:29
we still have one more loose end we need to take care of mm-hmm the guy that screwed him over yeah they so they end up puttin him
1:20:36
inside of a car he goes at his car being brutal it's really hardcore he deserves
1:20:44
it I'm not gonna feel sorry for him Craig your your ruthlessness episode ed captain's on the ship you don't care he
1:20:51
basically hung his partner out to dry and buried him basically mm-hmm rot away
1:20:57
yeah that's true he was gonna let ray Ron die in the prison yeah so now he's gonna rot and die in that home and that
1:21:02
freak but in theory that Freight could be unloaded in whatever pour and he gets pulled out anyways yeah those are
1:21:08
thousands of containers and God knows where in that pile he is nobody to open that container if there's no manifest
1:21:15
for that right account right you're from New Jersey I'm sure you've driven up the turnpike and seen those container fields
1:21:20
along the Elizabeth Sea port there are stacks and stacks thousands upon
1:21:26
thousands of containers like that just stacked in a container field Ryan and
1:21:31
and God knows you know when they get to him eventually someone's going to imagine the stink in there and the the
1:21:38
dead corpse in there look they have more job offers at the end of film Abigale
1:21:43
shows ray Breslin hey we've got more job offers kind of winking at a possible sequel which we get we get to do maybe
1:21:53
Ryan doesn't show up in either of those although we do get Curtis 50 cent jets and back for both of them I believe yeah
1:21:59
so Curtis is Curtis Jackson he's in parts two and three and so is Bautista you know Big Dave what I'll be covering
1:22:05
those films I'll have to watch him first I know they're both at least here in the States available on Amazon Prime from what I've
1:22:13
heard part two is atrocious in part three was a little bit better we'll get
1:22:18
to him I guess Matt said that part two is awesome so
1:22:25
right straight face I'm just saying Matt
1:22:33
loves everything slide does so it's hard to gauge it is good I don't think Matt's got a bad thing to say about slide
1:22:39
regarding anything he loves everything slide touches his gold gold
1:22:47
he's the only one I've heard that said that that movie is worthwhile although I do feel like I kind of have to watch it
1:22:53
close to having seen this one again because it's probably gonna be another six years before I watch a skate plan
1:22:59
again so I kind of feel like I should watch the sequels is three close proximity okay so this movie's not bad
1:23:04
it's fun it's a fun watch it's a little bit long here and there but we have eight minutes of credits so all right
1:23:10
it's only an hour and 40 minutes long so it's not too bad good side characters where it could have been bad it was good
1:23:16
I even like the ward and I know you didn't create what I think Doug and I both agreed the wardens performance by
1:23:21
Jim I think it wasn't that bad at all I think he was having fun playing it so maybe I was just having that fun having
1:23:27
him have fun it was nice to see you because he always plays such serious roles so it's kind of nice to see him ham it up a little bit as a bad guy I
1:23:33
think he was just enjoying being a bad guy I said before that I like the movie it's not a top performance by sly by any
1:23:40
stretch in my opinion but I think the side characters and especially Arnold really killed in the movie the story is
1:23:47
interesting I was able to overlook most of the goofy far-fetched areas of it I
1:23:52
really enjoyed it I liked it the first time I saw an eye it held up when I watch it the second time around it does
1:23:58
hold up six years since I've seen it and I'm when I was watching it did look other than some bad CGI it actually was
1:24:04
a nicely film film it didn't look that bad people were trying to make it a good
1:24:09
movie I think so I did dial it a little bit which is disappointing mm-hmm yeah I think like you said early in the show
1:24:16
here Ryan that every character in this movie is interchangeable with other actors and and I said and I still stand
1:24:23
by it that Arnold is the key ingredient here you could have made this movie with an entirely different cast but you need
1:24:29
Arnold and that rock Meyer Manheim role I think sly was channeling his Bruce I think that's I could see
1:24:35
Bruce playing that role just the same mmm b4b if Bruce had done the exact same emotions and deadpan humor and all the
1:24:43
stuff it just didn't seem like a sly vehicle no and I think the other thing is sly was around this time we talked
1:24:50
about bullet to the head which I think came out right before this and he was also at work or about to work on or had
1:24:58
just finished the Expendables 2 so sly was really really busy during this period and I think you know when you're
1:25:05
that busy you can only do so much whereas I think Arnold was like hey I've been I've been waiting for this mm-hmm
1:25:11
good point maybe he's just feeling a it's fun to do this again yeah well that was fun but yeah there
1:25:16
was a lot of one-liners in here so a lot of visual a lot of set up so it's kind of hard just even put in audio it's not
1:25:21
any real memorable audio moments like stop or my mumbles shoot but yeah
1:25:27
incredible all right guys yeah enjoy your the rest of your day gentlemen you too all right thanks for
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