Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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all right so we're live on the air I'm sorry we're starting our multitude of fans are waiting fix is in there's
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nobody waiting but we're doing it anyways right so Craig why don't you
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start off talk about the movie that won the poll all right so we are here for another uh installment of the three
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podcast host one sliced Alone movie and this month I am thrilled that we are
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doing the 2001 star studded cast build
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action action adventure movie Driven there's a lot to talk about this movie I
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don't want to take up too much time setting things up but I'm Craig Cohen from the sly cast we're a podcast that
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chronologically is going through the career of Sylvester Stallone and we're taking our damn time doing it yeah I
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think this is the fourth one in a row where I'll ask you so when's your next episode coming up waiting for Judge
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Dread still well you know what I'm not sure if it hit Canada yet but Creed 2 just hit the Home Video Market oh so
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we'll be having our Creed 2 super special which you guys are both a part of will be coming out soon and then
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that'll be followed up by Judge Dread absence makes the heart grow fonder right guys that's what they say yes yeah
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that's why everyone's tired of our podcast which is mine the Going the Distance the rocky series podcast my
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name is Ryan and I host that with my brother Ruben that show it could be found on every podcast app out there and
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social media out there just Google Going the Distance the rocky series podcast and you'll find me and our show if you
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think they're sick of you Ryan they got to be sick of us because we release one episode every weekday that's the rocky
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minute we are just about wrapping up season two which we're thick in the Deep
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of super Fight 2 right now in uh Rocky to yeah that's Rocky minute on all your
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podcasters out there go check that out I got give you guys credit for suffering
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through that coma oh my God it's been a lot of suffering it was a slug for
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sure hey we made it though the best thing that com's ever done is uh Shake
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Adrien out of her freaking stuper that's about it yeah and after going through
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Rocky 2 uh we've come to realize like if they would have cut a few minutes out of
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the coma and dedic ated that maybe elsewhere in the movie kind of building
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up the rocking Adrian um Financial woses for example I
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think it might have done a little more service to that storyline you know that part of the plot well we're GNA talk
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about that we're going to talk about the uh the writing prowess of Mr Stallone and uh not every not not everything that
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he writes is Rocky one before that let me let me come out and say just a couple
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of things because I've gotten the impression that you guys both dislike this movie a whole lot compared to how
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much I at least appreciate it you okay you cannot okay listen well first first
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as we always do let's talk about when we first saw the film and how long it's been since we've seen the film for the
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first time I did see this film like I often do and we talk about this in the theaters as a big Stallone fan I paid a
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ticket and in 2001 I would have been 26 years old and I bought a ticket to the
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uh directed movie by reny Harland who gave us a fantastic film which we haven't covered yet on our Stallone
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podcast Network yet Cliffhanger thinking to myself boy you know we got we got a kind of a a Stallone version of Days of
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Thunder and this is gonna be amazing and renie Harland the action director here we go it's been uh 18 years since I've
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seen it if that gives you an idea why it's taking me so long and we'll get to my feelings but I will say watching it
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for the first time again in 18 years yesterday I had forgotten or it's a
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Mandela effect of how horrible and brutal and terrible and outrageous this
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like Ser like seriously hot take my gentlemen this movie is by far worse the
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stoer my Mumble shoot wow gonna hang up hang up right now let you take good Doug
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go ahead what's what's your take Doug I knew that the movie existed I'm not a racing fan I was never
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interested in anything NASCAR Formula 1 crash what the hell is this called Cash
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what is it called champ World Series I've never been interested in it
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so this movie really didn't appeal to me so I've never seen it before before reviewing it for this which was last
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week I never imagined that Bert Reynolds could be a bad actor in anything but I was corrected
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Craig you mentioned the star St of cast so let's go through some of that cast star stud did you say star first of all
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I'm waiting for Ashton Kutcher to come out and tell me I'm being punked I also did see this movie in
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theaters in 2001 and then I probably watched it one more time when it came
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out on DVD and I went I'm sure I went to Best Buy the day it came out and bought it probably been 17 years since I've
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watched this movie and it definitely has the cast of a early 2000's movie in
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addition to Sly we've got Bert Reynolds who was sort of on a career Resurgence
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much like Sly was we've got till schwager who plays Bo
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Brandenburg okay this till schagger guy he's a German actor he's awesome this is
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Stallone's room this is Stallone's the
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room I'm not even I watched this movie and I thought I was watching the race car version of the
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room this guy till schagger is literally the actor from the room what's his name
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again Tommy wio yes that's him till is Tom Tommy they almost look the same
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which he looks like he a short he has like a short-haired version of of that guy and the way he acts I swear when he
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says this is my life this is my
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life I actually wrote the room I I thought I was watching the version of the room oh okay this is his
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second language give him a break yeah so let let's get into this right now because no breaks no breaks are given
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this because Stallone wrote the screenplay based on a story by Two Gentlemen named uh what Yan scren and
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Neil tachin I'm sure I nailed it I apologize to those two gentlemen if they're
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listening they're not but so Sly wrote the screenplay and I got to say two things first of all
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imagine this and and I know both of you are going to have a hard time doing this but imagine this is like a 12p part
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miniseries well that would make Matt very excited but it almost feels like Sly was
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trying to jam too much story and too many characters into this two-hour film the other thing I'll say is a lot of the
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problems I think you have performance-wise are directly related to the shitty dialogue that Stallone gave
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them the right wrting was the worst part of this but you know what else is funny there were those little things where
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you're like wow if this went through like four or five or six edits and you
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change the character names this scene could have been in a Rocky movie oh yeah we're g to get to some of those quotes
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yeah I I actually took very I think the worse the movie the better the notes I
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take and I took a lot of notes for this movie and I'm prepared to go through this movie actually in chronological
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order more or less if you guys are willing to do that all right so we we were running through the cast and we already talk about it uh Mr Mr wzo Gina
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Gan and then we've got two upand comers this might have been the movie they
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peaked at we've got Kip parue yeah and we've also got Estella Warren who then
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the following year would do Planet of the Apes and then pretty much disappear yeah well she's been a Ste actress but
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she has done nothing that you would recognize or have seen yeah and Kip parue I started to feel bad for Kip paru
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and then I Googled him and I saw I started seeing me too hashtag so I slowly backed away from investigating
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what Mr paru has been up to oh really he and then reny harand who unfortunately
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was oh right here here you go regarding Kip parue the Hermosa Beach Police Department announced it is investigating
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a report of sexual misconduct filed by True Blood actress Sarah Scott who alleged she was sexually violated while
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at work in May by former coar kit parue wow so I am G to say probably another
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controversial statement here kit parue prettier than Estella Warren no he's
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ugly he was one of the worst he was absolute okay oh okay his his character
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I wanted every time he's on the racetrack to crash I just wanted him to die I I felt nothing for this character
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I felt more for Tommy wou's character uh B
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I actually like Bo better than quote unquote the guy we're suppos are we supposed to like anybody in this film by
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the way memo memo we're supposed to like memo yeah well memo is your poor man's version of jeanclaude
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vanam memo was like super positive except when he goes crazy during that one race but he was fun yeah he was good
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yeah you know what you make a good point Ryan because there is nobody that's really likable in this movie there isn't
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it's weird you can to argue that the brother the manager guy uh played by
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what Robert Shawn Leonard yeah he's kind of a dick but you can tell that he's got his brother's best interests in mind F
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that he's the real villain if they're the villain it's him yeah let's just start at the beginning Stallone was 54
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when he made this movie if that gives anyone any any kind of context I always like to say his age in the movie again
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he looked great in this movie he looked pretty good yeah yeah when he's trimmed down and not bulked out for Rocky or
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Rambo um I think he looks good I don't know if if I'm just used to seeing him
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at this point doing these cheesy roles he he was he actually acted this
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very well I thought he was the best actor in this movie yeah I think Craig already brought it up that anything weak
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regarding acting especially when it comes to Stallone I think actually actually only when it comes to Stallone because I think every other actor in
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this movie was horrendous the scenes in this movie were horrendous the editing was horrendous couldn't even handle I
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like what am I looking at Ryan is the perfect example of what went sideways with film making in the late 990s and
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early 2000s they took like that Oliver Stone the Innovative Oliver Stone MTV
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inspired editing and just went batch it crazy greed what about the CGI too like
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it so overused so overused there was CGI it all looks so
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real where was the CGI it was seamless when that one tire goes flying up towards the camera and in the crowd God
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that's one of the worst ones but why did you need the CGI quarter when he flips the quarter out why did you need that I
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love how the quarter was a CGI it was that was horrible and I feel like we're gonna we're gonna take a lot of detours on this race to the finish so much
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classic Sly stuff that got thrown against the wall here the ritual with the coins and then also the humming
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that's the the humming he's humming every one of our listeners on our respective
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podcast when they hear this on iTunes I would say 95% of them haven't seen this film so we're going to have to really
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try toell things for plot stuff yeah yeah stom plays a guy named Joe Tanto no
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kidding his name in the movie is Joe the Hummer
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Tanto can you imagine that was your nickname hey Hummer how you doing
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bu we find out the reason why he is called the Hummer is because when he's racing back in his Heyday there's a
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scene in the movie where he's racing around the track and as you know in these race car situations they're on the
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headsets with their coaches or whatever they have in the pit somebody says why is Joe
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[Music]
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humming what's that sound sounds like humming yep why is he
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humming is some crazy thing he does when he's pushing close to the edge anyone else ever do that not among
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the living not among the living and that was that chubby dude
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right sure that dude's a good actor he might be the best actor in the movie he was like this kind of help guy in the in
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the pit or the or the crew he was like watching the monitors on the chat yeah
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so we have to have a montage so we have a race Montage right at the beginning cars are racing we have announcers talk
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in the background about the circuits that are going on the and who's who in the zoom we have the two main pretty
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boys Jimmy Blye played by Kip Purdue and then we have Bo Brandenburg played by
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the German actor who looks like Tommy why so so those two guys are the leads in this movie and they're complete
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unknowns they remain that way to the North American public to this day oh my
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goodness unless you're seenager and other stuff I would have to look him up he looks like a prototypical bad guy and
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we're led to believe Doug at the beginning of this film that he is the bad guy I know who am I rooting for in
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this yeah yeah exactly is there anything you guys want to say about the race Montage did you notice at the beginning
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of every race so they run 10 races in a year and different cities like Tokyo
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Germany all these other different loc Detroit the locations don't matter for our discussion of the film but there's a
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variety of cities and countries that they go to throughout the film and at the beginning of each race though they
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always have a gratuitous shot of three or four girls walking with mid Rift shirts and short shorts in some sort of
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display of the country they're in did you guys catch that oh yeah and they were showing the overall reach of the
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champ car World Series Ryan which is what it's a big thing they were selling out stadiums according to the graphic
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there was 900 million fans how's that possible because they
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said 900 million I guess viewers on TV they have to factor that in okay okay yeah I got to say that this is a well
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executed way to start a movie like this because if nothing else it sets the
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table you might not like the way the table looks once it's set but it set the table
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sure St it's a smish forg of disaster they said that Leonardo DiCaprio was
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originally considered to play Jimmy blly do you think that would have improved the film what would that have done for
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the film Leo's career would have sunk faster the ti Panic had he taken that
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role I think Leo's one of those actors and there's a lot of guys like this smart um if they don't have a strong
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director helping them along their weaknesses as an actor are going to shine through and I think unfortunately
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Mr harand was less interested in directing performances and more interested in mid drifts and butts
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montages and but I thought Rocky 4 had a lot of montages this movie is an endless
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soundtrack of songs that are all crappy it's insane like I couldn't believe
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every single scene had a song playing in the background with lyrics and everything there was no soundtrack to
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this movie it was all no it was like someone had left the radio on for the whole filming this movie made me hate
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the early 2000s and I lived through them and I thought they were pretty inconsequential you know aside from the
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you know the obvious we had during that decade but man this movie really made me hate that decade a little bit I think
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it's fair to say driven was worse than 911 says the
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Canadian because I think it's actually hurt more
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people how dare you oh goodness they have a composer
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listed as BT BT another reason to hate the early 2000s yeah he probably doesn't
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want to be identifi did you did you go through the the numbers yet uh oh yeah
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so this movie in today's money costs 138 million to make it's a pretty healthy
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budget for a race car movie it made in today's dollars if it was released today it would have made 75 million so it lost
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half of its bud so it cost 140 and it lost 75 million no surprise it's well
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first of all racing is a very Niche crowd so interestingly enough this film came out the same years Fast and Furious
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part one yeah wow they feel years apart man both came out in 2001 so there must
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have been something you find that a lot in Hollywood where they have like competing scripts you see it with Like A
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Bug's Life and yeah ants that's right and you saw it with Armageddon and Deep Impact wide her and Tombstone there's
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always like a competing script ideas I think fast and furious and driven might have kind of been that because when they
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were racing uh when they took well we'll get to that see when they racing their race cars down the street oh my God I
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forgot right after the Montage we get introduced to Bo Brandenburg and his fiance and they're having a fight and an
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argument because that's right with Sophia who's played by the lovely and unknown Estelle War who got the razi won
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the razi for this 22 nominations that's a record for
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Sly were caught in the middle or were introduced right in the middle of their fight and he says in Tommy Wu's style
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this is my life Bo you've had problems before and you've never acted like this things
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change why can't you dis respect what I need you're having a bad season and you're throwing me out of your life this
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is my life this is not your life this is what you do for a living look if I'm going to
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win I need my mind out there not here so right now this is my life it's your life
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what am I what am I let rtion I'm sorry then she goes what am I he goes a
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distraction so so they're engaged at this moment
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Ryan's not exaggerating the acting right there that's pretty accurate they break up essentially this is important because
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this girl plays a big role in this movie so right now Bo has broken up with his
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fiance Sophia to focus on racing he wants to be the champion that's essentially the storyline right now then
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we kind of go to the next race am I right the it's race number two Chicago Motor Speedway oh wow you actually wrote
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down the cities see Doug you not all of them I I gave up okay I gave up after
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this one now we get introduced to a little bit more the character Jimmy and he's supposed to be so Bo is kind of he
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looks like a dick he acts like a dick that's Bo's character now Jimmy is supposed to be the good guy the the one
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that we're supposed to like the one that we think we're supposed to root for I think that's what Sylvester SLO was trying to write in the screen play we
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see him in the car and his brother is his manager or whatever you want to call it and he has this really bad line here
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to his brother he says you better win this thing or you're going to look like a damn fool you better win this thing
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win it or you're going to look like a damn fool is that the support you get from your brother but how would he look
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like a fool he's a rookie racer exactly right he's killing it in the standings
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if he loses One race in the middle of the Season he's going to look like a fool you guys watch sports or very
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Sports at the very least in the Journey of a season yeah you have some bad games but no one's going to look a damn fool for the rest of their career by having a
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bad game MH they give you some Exposition too the race announcers are very key in this fly drafts up into the
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vacuum behind Brandon BG's car but every time he steps out of that back Yi runs into a wall of air that slows him down
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that affects his momentum if you're driving directly behind another car you're sitting in the vacuum of air
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meaning that you're moving at good rate because the air is going around you instead of hitting you but when you move
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out towards the side then the wall of air hits you and that's apparently what makes Jimmy Blye spin out what I love
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about these commentators I'll say for the whole movie every time they commentate about these races they're
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talking to us and maybe roughly so but they're we're supposed to pretend that they are talking to the ESPN viewer at
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home in the living room but they are actually explaining racing to us ran this wasn't on ESPN this was like
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on U the oo yeah the oo or what was that TNN the Nashville
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Network the Nashville Network I'm a big hockey fan right a hockey Watcher but it
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be like be watching every game yeah no kidding be me like watching every game so just so you know when the hockey
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player has the puck he's trying to pass it to another player and sometimes that pass might go offside and that's what
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happen that's how the commentators were talking about racing they were explaining RAC to us do you feel like
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those scenes would have worked without it though I don't know a balance maybe a
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little bit of like realism that we're just take into account that maybe the audience just has seen enough racing to
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understand that hey you're trying to be first place I don't know they dummied it down for the average viewer I guess and I caught it and I'm not even a race car
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Watcher so I thought it was too much I noticed there were things that bothered me about this movie that was not one of
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them okay that's fair speaking of Jimmy when he does spin out of control there was a scene where he had a vision of his
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brother like a ghostly figure talking to him in the car saying oh you're gonna
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look like a damn fool remember that there was a you remember that yes and
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then it said yeah like that's what got into his head yes like the viewer sees him sitting in the car but we see like
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an apparation like you doing a cartoon made for kids of of his brother speaking
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to him you're going to be a fool and then he does spin out of control and the commentators go
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spinning out of control why spinning out of control control
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control control control this is the first five minutes
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yeah this is gonna be a long episode though this was this was a long movie I stopped this movie and did
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something else at least six seven times I had to step away it felt a good 30
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minutes shorter than assassins though can we agree on that yeah I'll give you that I'll give you
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that assassins was a slog for sure I'll say this about this movie I normally
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gauge whether or not I like a movie based on that and it's the fact that there wasn't a point during this movie
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where I wasn't entertained now take out of the equation whether or not it's good or bad but this movie never lost my
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attention which is the worst thing a movie can do okay that's why I call this Stallone's the room I watched it like I
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would watch a train wreck I love Sly but I was actually surprising myself how much I had forgotten how terrible this
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movie was I was truly wondering if this was a Mandela effect that I had maybe in a different Universe I saw the Craig
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version you're on a different timeline than I'm on because what you're saying
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about this film right now I thought I was going to be sane until I saw the film I'm like this is not what I
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remembered and I'm not a strong critic I'm not one of these snoody toti critic I watched The Bachelor with my wife okay
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I'm not afraid to watch Goofy stupid stuff this isn't supposed to be bad at all this was really bad acting and bad
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dialogue bad editing bad music I can't even fathom anyone liking this for real
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sorry I just I was actually surprised about how badly this was well all I know is it's time to call Joe
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Tanto time to call Joe Tanto it's time to call Joe Tanto that
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was said by Bert Reynolds of course who is now Professor X in a wheelchair the whole movie for some
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reason which is never explained yes bird Reynolds was probably like I'm not gonna
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stand up for this nonsense yeah the only thing I could gather was
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is that Stallone his character Joe did something reckless in a race that caused
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him to be in a wheelchair wasn't there that line when they have that big epic Razzy worthy Showdown where they're
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yelling at each other RS is you threw it all away and I'm in this chair and and
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you're healthy or something like that that was the only bit of dialogue that made me think that there was some kind
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of story behind him being disabled I think there was an earlier discussion it
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was either with the initial phone call or something hinted at when he was angry at him or something I'll find it because there's not that many scenes of Sly and
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Bert talking to each other I wanted somebody that gets his attention maybe
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gains his trust why trust because you're going to help all
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Corner that is official look I I got to get something
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straight I thought you brought me back here to race no I'm gone no you're not I'm not
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finished yet we go back we go way back I
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carried you for 6 years you owe me Joe all you got to do is help this kid
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who knows you might enjoy it you got one offer on the table where something was
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said about something Reckless or something that caused like that's why he owes them that was the hint something
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about you owe me this or something like because I'm sitting here and you're up there and you have potential and I don't type thing because I'm stuck in a
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wheelchair it's something to that effect that's why he holds this over Joe I think and I gotta give some heavy
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criticism to this character the Joe Tanto the Hummer okay um you know all
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the backstory we get and about Tanto being a racer who burnt out and
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potentially has substance abuse issues in his past and is broken at no point in
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this movie did I get that from s performance he seemed completely balanced he seemed like he completely
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had his [ __ ] together and it didn't seem like he had any demons in his past that he had a work through it's probably my
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biggest criticism of this movie you are a
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gentleman no because I think movies they live and die by their characters right
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but Tanto was just supposed to be this Mr Miyagi type guy but he's got this
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dark backstory and you didn't feel any of it no I was confused about Joe's role
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and one minute he's racing one minute he's training one minute he's racing again next minute he's training like he wasn't even when Bert's character called
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him said hey we need you Stallone's character Joe literally packed his bags thought he was coming to race for Bert
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even me as a viewer I think I got the impression he was there to train this guy but he was like not here to race I'm
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here to train this guy even Stone's character was confused about his role in this whole process yeah and then this is
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basically what creates the need for almost the completely useless Kathy and
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memo characters they only exist really to establish that Joe is replacing
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somebody without them you lose that all important teamwork moment where they
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save memo but memo is worthless there's no bit of his character that has any
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kind of impact on the story and then tant's ex-wife Kathy has even less she's
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a royal [ __ ] until her husband gets in an accident and then she's Mis
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Congeniality yeah but there's no payoff there's no setup or payoff to that you were talking about the relationship
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between Joe and I don't even know Bert Reynolds character's name for Christ sakes Carl the only indication that
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there was something Reckless or wrong with Joe Tanto is when the German guy I
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can't remember his name come on man these characters are so unmemorable I'm sorry the German guy's name is Bo
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Brandenburg so when Joe Tanto shows up Bo says something to him about him
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almost killing him right right so that's the only indication that Joe Tanto is reckless is because he almost killed Bo
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Brandenburg I don't know like five years so they really put you in the car again why all you can do now is get in the way
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somebody must just think I got something left somebody yeah what do you think me I think it's will over skill will over
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skill like uh in Detroit in '97 accidents happened
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accidents you almost killed me John you know Bo I'm just glad I'm back I really
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am and uh it's a different time I'm Different
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you will never be different we seen you in my rear viiew Joe yeah and I maybe it was the same
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race at put Carl Bert's character in a wheelchair but it's really never explained I I honestly think they
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thought that by putting Bert in a wheelchair it would add some bravado and drama to the movie I'm telling you man
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this is why this movie needed to be like a miniseries there's too much story
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there is too much story for this movie I didn't even realize he was in a wheelchair for most of
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it Bert says to Sly over the phone and goes fear is never gone still there you think
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you can push it to the Ragged Edge yeah I think so and the fear it's gone fear
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is never gone yeah maybe
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yeah so Joe I guess he did something that it's never really talked about Craig might be saying there was some big
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movie within a movie that happened with this Bert character and Sylvester st's character where they did have something
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happen tragic to Bert's character he's in a wheelchair and now Joe has retired from racing because he's afraid for the
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first time in my life I'm afraid I got you I got the kid oh
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movie oh man Al So speaking of Rocky quotes so now we get to a scene that's
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chronologically we're not spelling up the movie verbatim here but we get to the next scene where Stone's character
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Joe was talking to the Pretty Boy Jimmy bleee the character that supposed to like and he gives them this rockism type
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quote this kind of check this out you'll recognize it when you hear it I guess Jimmy is feeling down about whatever he
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was a emo the whole time yeah but emo and he was sweating in every
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scene did you notice that constantly everyone was sweating was it just hot
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wherever they went they were sweating at the bar he was sweating in his hotel room he was sweating in his room he was sweating everywhere I think he actually
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sweated more outside the car than racing everybody trips that's okay that's life
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it's how fast you get up the counts so get up Jimmy but got up fast oh man that
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was an early draft of the rocky bboa he just and SP a couple more years he spent
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four years tweaking it stop it's true though this came out five years before
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bboa get up and get up fast yeah yo everybody trips that's okay that's life
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it's how fast you get up that's accounts what does he mean how fast you get up
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what he needed to edit it and refine it and make it perfect for Rocky baloa you get it fast it's a racing
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movie fast I I guess I guess anyways that was the first rockism that I caught
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there so we already mentioned that he thought he was there to race but he's he's training then he shows off just for
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poops and Giggles his coin trick scene do you guys want to talk about the coin trick scene first of all we miss a key
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character very key character there are some well we meet Joe's love interest
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Luke oh the the porter oh yeah ultimately no payoff for there's no
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story at the end of the movie publishes no there's no no we see them hold hands
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I guess and during the little uh the feeling good montage at the end they were they seem to like each other she
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was played by Stacy Edwards who we most recently saw in
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2014's the devil's hand oh sure that Blockbuster the devil's hand let's see
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if we recognize oh she was a super badge she played Evan's mom
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oh uh she was in uh uh doing a lot of TV
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work now it looks like oh yeah that would be where you'd find somebody like cuz I actually was going to say she looks like your standard woman on
33:48
television character that could play a multitud of the teacher the neighbor I
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mean she's a working actress gry's Anatomy Castle Shameless yeah but she hasn't acted since 2015 oh boy yeah well
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she's got the probably that fat driven check came into the mail at the first of the year and she can take off for a year
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yeah maybe that residual check's got to be some big money she's making a rain yeah well I wanted to order this movie
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on pay-per-view but it's so so not requested I couldn't even find it I had to get a legal copy from a listener is
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it Carl he kind of lays out some Exposition for us dummy viewers when we
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get a glimpse of Jo ex-wife he says now that ex-wife P that's a piece of work
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divorces you Mar's a fellow driver like I'm sure I'm sure Joe already knows that
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that was some of the stiffest exposition there's eight million different ways Sly
34:47
could have done that and that's what makes this frustrating because I read a quote from Sly where he said he wrote
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about 25 drafts of this film dating back as far as 1997 so it's not like he
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whipped this up on a weekend while he had nothing better to do this is something that Sly invested himself in
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and took the trouble to write 25 drafts the original script was 220 pages
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long yeah it was a 4our movie like what 4our movie and there was 51 minutes to
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deleted footage on the DVD as we speak right now Matt is Matt is going crazy mat
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Matt our only listener right now live Matt just so you know there's a cut out there that's four hours long your your
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mission shall you choose to accept it find that 4our
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cut godp Matt oh man we'll never see him again we meet the ex-wife and she comes
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up to Joe Cathy so Kathy comes up to Joe and goes well well well well well
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so what about me H how do I look or do you still hate answering loaded
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questions oh my God it was embarrassing like go ahead ask
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me go ahead ask me you love him I love a
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lot of things why'd you have to marry him he's a younger better
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you again don't blame Gina gersan for the shitty d dialog that Sly gave her I
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love her I think she's a great actress she's got that great line at that party scene where she thinks Sly is trying to
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make a move on the journalist and she goes Joe if you don't
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get it by midnight you're probably not going to get it and even if you do I don't think it's going to be worth
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it just an [Music] observation yeah oh my
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God yeah she was brutal but nobody would tolerate that kind of poison for that long there's nobody that's really that
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evil in real life that's a succubus but again guys I think we're
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missing the fact that she's probably like this because Joe Tanto was such a
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terrible human being that put everybody in his life through hell this is the fault of Stallone the writer and
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Stallone the actor for not illustrating what was wrong with Joe Tanto and all of
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the other characters in this movie suffer from it and the viewers and US namely say what you want
37:36
about renie Harland he's made some great Classic Movies this is not one of them
37:42
well Cliffhanger BL deepy I saw the theater like four times the problem is I
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don't think renie harand cared enough to hold Stallone's feet to the fire here
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and make him justify some of the [ __ ] he was doing as a writer this 4our cut I wonder I wonder if there was a movie
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that was worth salvaging in there and it was an editing issue you know what I mean like I wonder had have been edited
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better we don't know was Sly still a pain in he has to work for it or work with at this point he was about to enter
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some really lean years he had just made I think he was in the thick of some really lean years yeah I think he was I
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think this might have been one of his few theatrical releases in the 2000s after Copland he made ants and detox get
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Carter and then driven and then he made avenging Angelo [ __ ] it 3 and shade
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before Rocky bbo in 2006 he was definitely humbled here and I know that
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Sly sort of based this story on the fact that you can't always be number one you
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know and he tried to create like a metaphor between acting and racing yes there's a last line Joe to Jimmy where
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he said enjoy this moment when he won the championship listen enjoy it doesn't last long there was that autobiographer
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moment that Stallone himself and his career had kind of reached a you know from the 70s and ' 80s now he's in the
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late 90s early 2000s he's not the box office Champion anymore and he's speaking to that through this dialogue
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it supposed to be a passing of a torch to a younger actor it's embarrassing that now a 72-year-old Stallone is a
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much bigger actor than this Kip parue did you guys ever see um I believe the
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movie was called The Rules of Attraction it was like James vanderbeek
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was in it do you remember Kip partu in it no no no I don't do you remember the scene where the guy's telling the story
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about traveling through Europe that's Kip parue and it's amazing it's like a little movie within the movie you did
39:39
okay in that yeah um yeah yeah very memorable I see yeah right
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after we meet the ex-wife we meet mimo or memoo mimo memo before we even get to
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memo does this whole quarter scene does this mean anything no it's just one of those quirky alone cutting the pizza
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with scissors whatever other corny nonsense he puts into movies to make his
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characters quirky which is also supposed to make the kid kind of in awe of him right because he's flipping these
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quarters out of the car and the kid is like who what is he doing and everybody's like oh wait till you see this yeah he's gonna pick them up with
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his back tire not his front what's he doing he's just wound up doing his corn
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B will relaxing what's his coin bit he's going to hold a
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controlled slide going full out and then he's going to drift over and pick up three coins not with the front tire mind you
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any fool can do that but he'll slide over snatch him up with the back one and not lose a millisecond of speed there's
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no way he can do that you don't want to bet picks up with the back tire and the turn and the as you know the tires of of
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these cars get very hot and they get melted rubber so when he goes over the coin it picks up the coin it gets sucked
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into the tire and he does it three times I love how these guys like 100 feet away can spot him catching the quarter like
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oh they got him he got the first quarter there's number one two there's number two yeah and then
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he starts humming that's what the humming scene comes in because he's about to go over the edge to get the third one because I guess that one was placed in the hardest position of the
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three and I love how at the end he doesn't even bother checking the tire completely that he's got all three
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because the third one is behind the tire he has to rotate it yeah and Bert's character says Hey rotate the
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and there's the third quarter indeed but we see Joe walking away from the car without even verifying himself that he
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had all three he was do you think those quarters would be in pristine condition or would they have
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been ground down to like a flat surface honestly I think they would have been sucked into the rubber without being uh
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flattened anymore well the CG artist didn't know what purpose they were serving right he just was like saying so
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I got to create CGI quarters I don't know why but I'll go ahead do it can you
41:58
imagine that phone call so we're going to have a scene here where we're going to flip a quarter you know I'm going
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have bird's eye view order over this scene and a quarter will be flipped Okay cool so I need you to make a
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quarter but like a CGI quarter we can just get one from the prop Department maybe just get a larger size version of
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a quarter that we could like you know properly just film like can you imagine we could just film a quarter flipping
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and landed on the ground no no no it's got to be CGI no but if you get a real quarter it would look real like you
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wouldn't have to pay money you could just zoom in on the quarter hitting the ground you don't have to spend a dollar
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in fact it'll cost you a quarter it's got to be CGI and you have 15 minutes because you know Renny Harlem was like
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guys I'm pretty sure this is my last big budget Hollywood movie I'm getting my CGI
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quarter check out Memo's first line so we had the first line from Kathy was well well how do I look watch this movie
42:54
thinking it's the room Stallone's version of the room and you might have some fun this would be a fun viewing party movie that's why I called this the
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room I think if I watched this with you guys and we were watching together I would have had a great time watching by
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by myself which is what the room is like watching that movie by yourself it's horrible but with friends it's fun so
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memo says look at you hey you sorry goes It goes hey look at you hey you've been
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good memo hey look at you how you been good
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huh I his Impressions sorry I suck
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but that was the line the actual line was look at you hey youve been
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good I don't know progressives is this though memo threatens to divorce his
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wife in order to make Joe happy and then he offers to marry Joe oh yeah we should
43:49
make it known to our listeners who haven't seen the movie memo and Joe are good friends but memo has married Joe's
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ex-wife Cath and which is crazy because Joe is even more cordial and funny and nice guy than
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Joe ever would be and Joe's a pretty even killed guy but memo is just like a goofy easygoing even his wife Kathy
44:10
Joe's ex-wife seems to tolerate and allow him to have this friendship with her ex-husband the Heart Wants What It
44:15
Wants memo seems like a good guy which means he's gonna die yeah yeah we'll get
44:21
do something incredibly stupid for no reason this is me who's never seen this movie before my initial Instinct was
44:29
that he was going to die I knew there was a big crash coming up but I couldn't remember if he died or not but yeah you
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knew that his character he's too innocent to escape this Game of Thrones type [Music]
44:41
movie we go to this race Memo's in as well and everyone's in it Joe's in it I
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think too who does Jimmy show up to the race with that's right we missed that again for our listening audience who has
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has seen this movie there was a scene at a bar between one of these races where Sophia who's now broken off her
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engagement with Bo is now making the moves and flirting with Billy the sweet
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kid who's you know an opponent of Bose and now she's jumped ship and is now
45:09
trying to date and get into the pants of uh Billy and they seem to have a kind of a flirty fun relationship friendship but
45:15
they never consummated on screen or otherwise who the hell is Billy Billy is
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the uh terrible actor Kip parue boy oh Sor Jimmy Billy same thing
45:28
see it's hard right yeah so my apologies Jimmy everything I said about Billy was Jimmy that was the uh the character
45:35
we're supposed to be rooting for for some reason I have yet to find anything endearing about this guy whether his character his look his acting his
45:41
constant sweat Jimmy's brother is pretty much just kind of looking out for him but
45:47
he's a huge dick to Sophia the whole movie yeah which I don't think is
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warranted no you what is she doing here all right to know no no no this is very
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not all white Brandon BG's whatever waltes into your life by accident whatever hi I'm Sophia that's your
46:05
problem come on again he's the bad guy he's like George Washing Duke of Rocky 5
46:11
he has nothing but greed on his mind he's using his brother to finance his life or whatever there's a scene then
46:17
speaking of Sophia and Jimmy where they're at a hotel and there's a pool and some of the worst dialogue in movie
46:27
history this is exposing thella Warren's swimming skills that's right she was a
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synchronized swimmer correct yeah in real life Ry harand you want to wear a swimsuit for
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me let's put you in the pool real flattering one piece yeah one piece like
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come on the one time we could have used a bikini like seriously but he asked her where did she learn how to do that and
46:50
she says I was raised by frogs is that the line you were talking about yeah yeah yeah rib come come on he come on
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this is coming here just give me a sec sorry I'm jumping all over your bit
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there what are you doing swimming
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swimming that's swimming to you huh I don't think that's swimming that's uh
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it's a little Beyond I've never seen anything like that pretty
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fantastic where'd you learn how to do that I
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um I was raised by frogs raised by frogs
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ribbit ribit ribbit well I'm glad you escaped oh
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thank you and I guess we're supposed to find that funny that she made the sound of a frog like look at a like she's a
47:43
playful girl right I don't I don't know I don't know but then we have this crazy
47:49
scene right after where for no apparent reason I don't understand Joe is like
47:55
friends with everybody he's friends with Billy and with Bo it's not Billy it's
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Jimmy he's friends with Jimmy and he's friends with it seems to be friends with everybody in the circuit yeah and but he
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so he goes and tells Bo to get Sophia back take her back as his fiance and get
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him away from Jimmy while you're in this rare good mood why don't you do yourself a favor what's that take her back she
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wants you back stay out of my business so what are you doing hey I'm just talking I mean you do want her back
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right why do you care you two guys you have a lot of history that doesn't go away so
48:32
fast I pushed her Away Joe I know but you weren't thinking right I wasn't
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thinking at all you know it's it's really hot when you it's here
48:45
with him what was his reason for that because Jimmy was his racing hadn't really been
48:51
affected by Sophia but he's Ching Bo you know what this girl's good for you yeah
48:57
I thought this was a weird exchange between the two of them cuz Joe seems like he's submarining his teammate but
49:03
is he really just looking out for Bo because Bo is throwing away something
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good for racing Bo wanted the the engagement off because he wanted to focus on racing now you can criticize
49:16
that reason but that was his reason he didn't want to be engaged with this girl anymore would make sense that Joe tells
49:21
him like look you're being stupid this is you know racing isn't is just for now but you know your girl is forever what
49:27
you just said there was better than any dialogue we heard throughout the whole movie well thank you that was great
49:33
reasoning that would have made sense that kind of conversation would have made sense yeah but it's never laid out
49:39
that way like I said it seems like Joe is submarining his own teammate Joe says
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hey Bo hey Bo if this is about Pride you better forget it cuz that's how the
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whole thing started what whole thing what whole thing I don't know I
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don't know and then Bo says what would you do me to get someone back
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that I really love to get that rock out of my stomach I crawl no craw B said
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you'd crawl crawl Jo you never crawl yeah I crawl until there was nothing
50:12
left come on champ use your head what what Stallone wrote this I'll crawl
50:20
until there's nothing left what this is a horrible dialogue
50:26
but it's makes but it doesn't make sense I don't I don't know what they're talking about I don't understand know
50:32
the last time we saw them two interact it was antagonistic right right this
50:37
whole exchange Bo is laughing at the whole crawl thing until there's nothing left it seems light-hearted like they're
50:43
friends now who are we rooting for I have no idea so now we're rooting for
50:48
the idea that we want to see this relationship break off again and have this girl you know she's be tossed to
50:54
and from she has gone between these guys in this movie like I don't know I don't want to say anything derogatory but I
51:00
did find the dialogue here about the swimming Jimmy asked Sophia when they're swimming what are you doing what are you
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doing swimming swimming that's swimming you huh I don't
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think that's swimming that's a it's a little Beyond oh my
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God he goes I've never seen anything like that I've never seen anything like that
51:26
prettyy f fantastic where'd you learn how to do that I um I was raised by frogs raised
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by frogs ribit ribit
51:40
ribit well I'm glad you escaped oh thank you thank you and then she goes thank
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you Jimmy what's on your mind Jimmy what's on your mind oh my God it's almost like I didn't
51:55
hit there I did not hi Mark that's exactly what this feels like that Tempo and dialogue let me ask you a question
52:01
did Craig bail out of this because he knew that this was I was wondering I have our camera minimized didn't see
52:09
that I like why is Craig being so quiet and he has G Craig has left the
52:14
building I see that now I had her I had our camera minimized I didn't see that I just thought he was being boy he's being
52:20
really quiet He he'll sh back in something must have popped up oh there he is Craig welcome
52:27
back welcome back to the show you miss nothing my internet didn't
52:32
appreciate all the bashing so it took a took a d we just summoned you this was
52:38
your vote by the way and by the way this was our first tiebreaker we had to have a tiebreaker recount between this and
52:45
the Lords of Flatbush I think I would have had a much more enjoyable time watching the Lords of Flatbush than driven but by the way I want to put
52:51
everybody who voted for driven on notice because you bastards aren't even here to
52:56
see this live where are you yeah you put us to the ringer you better listen to
53:02
download our episode I got to say this guys I know there's podcasts out there that have covered Lords of Flatbush this
53:09
is quite possibly a historic moment this might be the first podcast that's ever devoting this much time or any time to
53:17
the movie Driven anytime correct correct yeah I think we put more thought and consideration into this film than was
53:24
put into the film during the filming this an absolute disaster so what did I miss we just read through the quotes of
53:30
the ribbit ribbit we found it and the dialogue that Bo and Joe had trying to where Joe tells Bo get your girl back
53:37
get your girl back and we're just trying to figure out the reasoning behind that do you have any insight to why Joe is telling Bo to get the girl back this is
53:44
another instance where Stallone is GNA show his complete Nutter incompetence in
53:50
handling story beats we're probably seeing this happened to Joe Tanto and
53:57
Tanto let Kathy get away and whatever happened to him happened so he's having
54:03
lived through this he's trying to convince Bo that Sophia is not the
54:09
problem and she's possibly the part of the solution okay okay if only that was
54:14
expressed yeah if only that was somehow dialogued that would have been amazing
54:20
well when Matt finds the 4H hour cut for us and you watch it and you turn around and say guys this is a unheralded
54:27
Masterpiece will have that discussion I think Matt's even left I guarantee you Matt's still
54:34
watching but he's falling asleep I'm calling you Matt you falling asleep because it's late for him it's 12
54:40
o'clock at night well it's late for you Doug you okay you hanging in there yeah I'm good I'm good okay should we get to
54:45
the the Prototype party well yeah because well yeah so it's important that we brought in that conversation with Joe
54:52
and Bo because now Bo at this prototype look into the future of these Vehicles
54:57
party it's a Gala event that they're supposed to dress in formal we and of course our hero Joe T Tanto Tonto Joe is
55:04
just wearing his normal clothes man he he's too cool for school he brought a a bow tie but he has it in his pocket it's
55:11
not even done up that's how cool he is nothing I have nothing to say I have nothing to say about this whole like
55:17
Kathy I guess that's her name comes in and talk [ __ ] to Luke who's now Joe's
55:23
romantic interest yeah earlier today you said that Jimmy has to find it off the
55:30
track what do you mean by that here we go the questions questions questions got to find that quiet spot if you go racing
55:36
and your mind's not right you will get torn apart so you better buckle up it's
55:41
going to be a bumpy [Applause] ride I can't believe that line still
55:49
works you know now this is either very unprofessional or naive or she swallow
55:56
some you're [ __ ] and love the taste where's memo we're placing you working
56:01
his way down that's where we get the Great Line we get Joe if you don't get
56:07
it by midnight you're probably not going to get it and even if you do I don't think it's going to be worth it just an
56:14
observation God I hope Stallone took the rest of the day off after he wrote that line he dropped the mic he dropped the
56:21
pen he was like print it he's like hey yo it's only 10 o'clock but
56:26
it's about as good as it's going to get today what were those other 24 drafts but what about the The Exchange in the
56:32
bathroom between Kathy and Luke when they talk [ __ ] to each other what a
56:40
coincidence this a little experiment for you something dark chapter you can tell your
56:46
friends about maybe you like being manhandled that I can understand but
56:53
being dump part that's kind of a drag so you were just used and abused was that
57:00
attitude H Saucy good for you and next time I'm around look at him
57:08
he ain't over it your mascara is running they were
57:13
just very caddy with each other just the ex-wife getting mad at the girlfriend dating her ex-husband I love how the
57:20
ex-wife is allowed to like literally be remarried but Joe can't have a girlfriend right but look you know she
57:26
gets the last word cuz she says your mascara's running and then R rubs her own eye with her middle finger yes like
57:33
clever oh yeah scratching yourself with the middle finger oh that's brutal that's that's that's the biggest burn in
57:40
history Cuts deep oh so there's a reporter this was one of the funniest
57:45
scenes in the whole movie and I I Tru would you don't don't say it wait so
57:52
a reporter a reporter tracks down Jimmy you know goes to nerd he goes okay
57:58
quickly if you win a championship what would be the first thing that you do I I don't know really well I I throw a party
58:05
what the what are we doing here Ser I can't remember Stallone wrote
58:13
this why didn't he just say buy a house oh man I would travel the world I would must be overwhelming to think what you
58:19
do with that money but you know what about travel the world what part of the world would you like to see but the reporter just like chimes in oh I I
58:25
would throw a party I understand that either so Sophia goes back to Bo Jimmy
58:32
throws a hissy fit we should say this party was to announce or showcase these
58:37
futuristic top-of-the-line racing cars there happen to be two of them and not
58:42
only were they on display but they both had keys in them and fuel ready to be
58:47
driven out at any moment if someone decided on the off chance somebody could have just jumped in the vehicle Lo
58:53
behold it happens I was going to say a lot of times we ask Doug for his law enforcement experience and here is a
59:01
case where I actually have some experience for this scene because here in Las Vegas I don't know if we've
59:07
talked about it I work in the convention business a lot of times we're on the convention floor dealing with displays
59:15
and sometimes companies will bring vehicles in and there are a strict set
59:21
of rules from the Fire Marshall related to how you can display vehicles in order
59:28
to maintain safety during exhibitions right and one of them is the amount of
59:34
fuel you're allowed to have in the car sure and then also once placed the
59:40
battery is to be disconnected wow now I'm not sure how these prototypes worked but I know they ran on fuel not gas fuel
59:49
sorry my apologies which will play into um the movie a little bit later aside
59:55
from just leaving the keys in these prototypes any fire marshal worth his
1:00:00
salt wouldn't have allowed these cars to be on display the way they were I also read that these particular Formula 1
1:00:07
style race car doesn't start with a key the ignition that the driver turns on
1:00:13
it's like started in the back by a crew member you have to start the engine up
1:00:18
by hand yeah like a lawn mower or something something like that yeah we hear Kip parue like turn the ignition
1:00:24
though don't we sure so now that we understand there's these
1:00:30
two cars on display that everyone's ooing and aing over Jimmy sees that
1:00:36
Sophia has made the decision at the gall event to go back to her fiance and he accepts her coming back and he's asked
1:00:43
for her to come back so now they're a happy couple again well actually he he proposes to her repr proposes that's yes
1:00:50
gives a ring back oh basically they have a little like Beverly Hills 90210 uh little SC scruff fight and he jumps into
1:00:57
the car and he speeds off Joe seeing a distraught young man speed off in a
1:01:04
prototype race car into the streets of the city streets figures well I've got to stop him because he might hurt somebody or hurt himself so he jumps
1:01:11
into the second race car and they have a a race car CGI disaster race through
1:01:20
the streets of what city was this again I don't remember Chicago okay I hated every second of it every single second I
1:01:28
hated hated it yes I agree even when the skirt got blown up and you saw the
1:01:34
girl's butt all right so there was one second that I liked yeah those who haven't seen the movie The idea these
1:01:39
cars are going so fast and causing so much disruption in the air that when they're going by news stands and they're
1:01:45
going by people's clothes the clothes get torn off and they're they're causing basically Sonic booms everywhere they
1:01:51
drive so they're driving at such a velocity and veracity throughout the there is no way at the speeds and the
1:01:58
distance they go that they would not have gone to an accident there just it's impossible to drive anywhere that fast for any amount of time in any major city
1:02:05
also they would have been in California by the time they were done right they were going 195 miles an hour
1:02:14
that's insane that's insane because we get the scene where the the motorcycle cop or the the cops got his radar gun
1:02:20
out and he needs to use the radar to determine they're going too fast yeah yeah yeah right Doug I have to ask
1:02:27
you're a cop right as always yes just like last time
1:02:33
so the traffic cop sees these two race cars so pretend you're on traffic Duty I know you don't do that anymore but
1:02:38
pretend you're on traffic Duty and your job as the radar gun which you've done I'm sure in your career sure you see the
1:02:43
195 zoom zoom two street cars this was traffic cops voice report to his desk
1:02:51
mate or whoever he talks to I need
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backup uhhuh okay what would be a better police report than I need backup because
1:03:04
as far as I'm on the other end of this radio call I'm like uh for what for what yeah yeah are you in a shooting uh is
1:03:11
there a multiv vehicle accident do we have some a heart attack do you need a bus called what's the situation here so
1:03:17
he just says I need backup so what would you have said in real life if you saw two race cars what
1:03:23
would be the voice report I'm curious I would say I just clocked two cars going at 195 past me Southwest down Route
1:03:31
whatever in this direction I need backup you say I need back look there's
1:03:38
no way that that guy I don't care what he's riding a motorcycle police car whatever is going to catch them so
1:03:44
you're probably radioing to the next Precinct over saying they're coming in your direction get ready and there's no
1:03:51
payoff for it either none none I was expecting having not seen this in 17
1:03:57
years I really thought the race ended when they got out of the car and they were surrounded by cop cars MH and then
1:04:04
instead the scene just cuts away and reference that they were fined they were
1:04:09
fined $25,000 that's it they got to do all that damage they cause they actually caused City damage yeah bus stops are
1:04:16
broken new stands were torn apart a girl was sexually assaulted by the wind I mean every BL manhole covers off yeah
1:04:24
manhole covers I mean every but we again we get some classic Rocky inspired
1:04:33
dialogue from Joe Tanto here giving his advice to the young Jimmy Blye um this
1:04:38
is hold on this is gonna make me cringe because this might have been the worst of the worst okay so this is the faith
1:04:44
one yeah I hate this one I mean I don't have your gift but I do have a couple of
1:04:49
things that you don't have I got will and I got faith wait don't laugh I'm serious because I believe you can Will
1:04:56
yourself in anything do anything in faith that's like believing in something really no duh sorry water
1:05:05
it's like wet okay and faith that is like believing in
1:05:12
something man that's like having a good disease it's contagious if you hang around with people that have it you're
1:05:17
going to catch it that's going to change your attitude and winning it's an
1:05:23
attitude so if you trust me know if you trust Yourself by the end of the season you'll either be on top or you won't but
1:05:29
I guarantee you you're going to know what Jimmy BL is really made of that's contagious it's contagious if
1:05:37
you hang around with people who have it you're going to catch it and it's going to change your attitude I you know like
1:05:44
he writes these speeches for Rocky and these the speeches for Rocky are memorable you hear a speech like this
1:05:50
you want to get up and you want to go conquer the world but this does nothing for me nothing
1:05:56
I got will and I got faith and if you have AIDS other people have Aids too it's contagious
1:06:02
I I don't get it I don't understand what are you trying to say what message is
1:06:07
that trying to say I don't know I don't know because it it goes from Faith to uh
1:06:13
attitude at the end so I don't know he was basically saying believe in yourself and when you believe in yourself you can
1:06:19
do anything well why didn't he just say that he had to do 200 laps to get there but it's a good disease
1:06:26
[Laughter] if the rest of Stallone's movies that we haven't covered yet are like this I'm
1:06:32
done I'm out you can't guys it could be it could be it could be much worse we could be
1:06:38
sitting here talking about avenging Angelo are we gonna get to that is that gonna be one of ours oh it's gota be
1:06:45
right I've already reviewed it for my show but to be fair Craig's already reviewed things for his show that he's
1:06:50
done twice I haven't oh I know I just it's it's a painful movie but again I'd
1:06:56
rather watch avenge Angelo than this one I'll be honest with you right now I'll tell you right now if that ever gets
1:07:01
nominated I will personally fly to New Jersey or Canada to personally come and slap you duel
1:07:10
style it's gonna be thr me to that nonsense that that should be our swan
1:07:16
song that should be like the last one I actually ran this but the one two bunch of party kud right the last that's right
1:07:24
the last episode of our of our crossover podcast will be party of kiding studs I
1:07:29
think it's the only way to end the show we'll be party of kidding studs the race in the rain yeah the that's right so
1:07:36
they're in Germany I remember it was Germany and they kept talking about the weather I wonder if that was a foreshadow but this they had the rain
1:07:43
tires too so yeah oh yeah yeah naturally Joe gets benched for memo Memo's back
1:07:49
that's right so Memo's in Joe gets benched Joe spoiler alert he gets third
1:07:55
place overall the the last championship race because it's done by points and I'm confused he SP across the Finish Line
1:08:02
yeah but I'm confused how yeah so he got third overall for the year for the season but he didn't race the whole
1:08:07
season how did he get third place overall beats me because Jimmy spoiler wins the championship year but he didn't
1:08:14
win every race the reason why he won is because yeah he won the last race but he got the most points throughout the season yeah so how did Joe get enough
1:08:20
points to be third overall yeah the whole ranking system seemed weird okay so I wasn't just lost it wasn't just me
1:08:28
no I I didn't even realize that to be honest so yeah it's was done by a point system it's almost like a yeah like like
1:08:35
any basketball season or baseball season you know you have some good games some bad but overall you're GNA have the most points at the end you win but some races
1:08:42
are worth more than others points right so it's best to win the final race but you can I guess still be first place if
1:08:48
you get second but but you're first place everywhere else but you still got first place overall because of your point system yeah I mean because going
1:08:55
going into that final race and we have another race to talk about first Jimmy didn't even qualify or he he qualified
1:09:02
he tied for 10th but if he won he was GNA win the whole season is it like what
1:09:08
do you call the snitch and what do you call the Harry Potter game the Quidditch
1:09:13
the Quidditch if you catch that flying ball you win automatically almost I would have been pretty angry if I was Bo
1:09:20
well he got the girl at the yeah the main event for this in Germany was me
1:09:25
Memo was driving his crash that he has was it was incredible it was like
1:09:32
legendary World War III explosion if if driven had a sequel we'd have two guys
1:09:39
in a wheelchair rolling around so here's the thing that doesn't make sense to me Memo is like the nicest guy in the world
1:09:45
and memo and Joe basically work on this team to enhance Jimmy but maybe because
1:09:52
of Kathy's influence memo decides he's going for the win I lost track of trying
1:09:57
to keep who's playing for who who's on whose team who is representing what cause so yeah memo decides I'm gonna win
1:10:05
this thing yay and then he crashes the fire crash so he goes into the ocean or this Lake no you have talk about about
1:10:12
him launching like a missile through the air oh yeah and it goes through the
1:10:17
trees the same projectile car on fire goes into the trees lands in the lake
1:10:24
then uh Jimmy being a true hero he spins off the track he goes backwards and then he he drives and jumps out of his car
1:10:31
and does a heroic save but it's not enough he's not strong enough to lift the car out of the water to get his drowning friend out of the water and so
1:10:37
Bo was like well damn it I I gotta help well Sophia tells him to go help but he
1:10:42
did it you know he did it they lift the car off him they pull him out and then the car explodes again because the
1:10:47
leaking endless fuel that seems to be spilling out of this car I like how the announcers don't even reference the
1:10:54
driver's name at that point they're like they better get that driver out of there the announcers couldn't even be bothered
1:11:00
to remember Memo's name at that point that's because they didn't get the memo nicely done
1:11:09
dad I wear my dad badge Crow this explosion happens and keep
1:11:16
this explosion in mind do you guys remember how big that explosion was it was huge it was like out of a Michael
1:11:21
Bay movie yes it's like Michael Bay was on set for a day is reny Harland friend said hey you want to make this explosion
1:11:27
big okay let's do it they're now in the hospital Memo's on the bed he's alive thank goodness just couple little bur
1:11:33
marks but he's paralyzed from the waist down I think but what's crazy is there's a scene after they all give their
1:11:38
condolences to memo and Joe is now looking at the car wreck did you guys see that well how's that car even in any
1:11:45
kind of piece after the explosion yes that explosion would have t torn it to paper shreds right we still had paint on
1:11:53
this thing that was a nuclear explosion why was it so close to the
1:11:58
hospital why was you're trying to make sense out of this I I don't know why but I love how they brought in this birdie
1:12:04
vessel of a car like to the hospital garage like you know after we're done working on the driver let's see if we can fix the car like either one of you
1:12:11
guys noticed the glaring continuity error where at the start of the next
1:12:16
race they show Jimmy Joe and Bo walking and the announcer calls all three of
1:12:23
them Heroes for going to save memo Joe wasn't involved in that rescue at all
1:12:30
yeah no he got there when they're already out he just looked really good in the rain looking
1:12:36
for let's not skip over the part where Carl is going to fire Jimmy and try to
1:12:43
sign bow to his team I want you to be the first to know I'm terminating the kid's
1:12:48
contract why I don't think he's the real deal I don't think he's mentally tough
1:12:54
enough I don't think he's adult enough getting out of a car in the middle of a race
1:13:01
save the man's life I'm not here to debate with you going to go for Brandenburg next
1:13:08
year what are you doing Carl whatever it takes to win his brother know brother is
1:13:14
brokering the deal I'm don't do this it's done then undo it oh you suddenly care don't tell him off don't sh him off
1:13:21
so now at this point now Carl's the [ __ ] he's the bad guy right right another thing that's glossed over and
1:13:27
never addressed again Carl has like the Ricky Bobby philosophy where if you're
1:13:33
not first you're last because apparently Jimmy finishing second on the season
1:13:38
would be a complete and utter failure so he's got to completely wash this kid out
1:13:44
it's remarkable and that's when we'll get to the scene where Bert Reynolds big Oscar speech scene I watched you kill
1:13:52
yourself and you had everything and you threw it all away and I had to sit there
1:13:58
and watch the slowest man and the fastest spot I wake up every morning and my legs
1:14:07
are on fire I know I'm going to have to sit in this chair for the rest of the day but
1:14:14
if they gave me one more chance I'd do it all over again and ain't going to happen we are
1:14:22
all damaged yeah I've got an excuse you don't do
1:14:32
you terrible this was awful the nominees are Bert Reynolds for driven there was
1:14:39
probably a part of Bert's little brain there where he thought that he was given
1:14:44
some sort of performance here that may just sneak into a performance worthy of an Academy Award it felt like that we
1:14:50
weren't that many removed from Boogie Nights which he got nominated for so he's probably feeling pretty high here
1:14:55
about his acting career Bert Reynolds is a monster but somehow he sucks
1:15:01
here yeah it was horrible it was almost like hey look I'm an actor acting but
1:15:07
dude he can act his ass off this is the best that renie harling can get out of him no I don't think renie cared I
1:15:15
really don't think renie cared and if the director doesn't care the actor's not going to care unless they're like
1:15:22
the guy that makes all those Paul Thomas Anderson movies that's fired now uh that play a Lincoln Daniel D le yeah Daniel D
1:15:30
Lewis I love there's a sequence here before the final race where all the racers are saying goodbye to their
1:15:36
families and packing pictures into their clothes family photos into their clothes
1:15:41
like they're going to war oh my goodness and you know that when Sly wrote this
1:15:46
and when renie shot it and whoever edited this edited it they thought they were doing something that was going to
1:15:52
make people in the theater have Anem moment there was some real Racers did
1:15:58
cameos for this I read that that was their real pre-ra rituals yeah remember
1:16:04
the end of gladiator which came out a year before this talk about think about this for a second Gladiator came out in
1:16:09
2000 directed by Ridley Scott starting Russell Crow one of the best movies ever made I freaking love the music the
1:16:15
acting the story The CGI the CGI even in 2000 was just so much better than this
1:16:22
pile of garbage this came out a year before driven right so Theory like the technology was a year behind and there's
1:16:28
a sequence there at the end where he's going to his family you know the scene where he's going to his family in the afterlife yeah that's that is editing
1:16:35
that is music that is acting where like you feel the power the love for family then you skip to
1:16:40
driven you can't compare 2001 reny harand to 2000 era Ridley Scott who is
1:16:49
at the peak of his powers in terms of his ability as a director but that's what's actually amazing though is that
1:16:56
to make a movie is a talent you can say that I like to play basketball if I'm
1:17:01
dribbling the ball see guys look I like to play I can make a couple hoops and then LeBron James comes over to me and
1:17:07
says well I like to play too and then I'm just destroyed this still the same activity there's a movie being made here
1:17:14
but there's just two different levels of results yeah well the problem is that a
1:17:21
director is supposed to have every answer even if they don't know the right
1:17:27
answer and I feel like the further along renie harand got in his career the less
1:17:32
he cared about having any answer to any question and
1:17:38
was more focused on photographing mid drifts and butts and explosions and
1:17:43
couldn't be bothered with a lot of the important aspects of film making and I yeah and again I mean this is the guy
1:17:50
that made Cliffhanger so crazy we know when he's focused and and driven
1:17:55
that he can turn in did there he can turn into quality movie but again I'm
1:18:01
not sure who you ultimately put the blame on for how a lot of people feel
1:18:07
about this movie and I hate I hate to say it but it does have to be Stallone in his 25 drafts I don't think you can
1:18:14
outa or outdir a awful an awful script no and we've talked about this before
1:18:21
where Stallone I know he never listens to our show anyways I'm not raging on him as he is because we know what he can
1:18:26
do we know what he's capable of and this goes so and I know he has already stated
1:18:31
for the record that this is one of a few films a few of them we've already covered one of them being stoper my M
1:18:37
will shoot that he wishes he never done he makes no bones about it he wishes he never made this film he wishes us three
1:18:43
were not talking about this film he wish it didn't exist and yet here it is right we know that he can write Rocky that he
1:18:50
wrote Creed 2 that he can write this stuff uh he did the screenplay for cliff as well so it's weird when any kind of
1:18:57
artist or actor doesn't whatever that zist is that they tap into to create these masterpieces it's almost sad it's
1:19:04
not their fault I guess it's almost just being human I guess there's only so much gold in every mind I don't know it
1:19:09
speaks to the collaborative nature of film making and for let's say a Creed he
1:19:17
had a Ryan cougler who is probably one of the most talented young filmmakers working today yeah and it takes a
1:19:24
village to make a movie and if Stallone isn't 100% invested in
1:19:30
something it's probably really hard to get everybody else invested one of the
1:19:36
things I love about all of our individual podcasts is we're all huge
1:19:41
Stallone fans absolutely but that doesn't mean that you just go into
1:19:47
complete hero worship mode a true fan of anything should be able to objectively
1:19:52
look at the thing that they like and knowledge when it's crap yeah so they have the race the
1:20:00
final race first place was Jimmy second place was Bo third place was Joe and they started from the rear of the pack
1:20:06
and they tag teamed it and they didn't really illustrate this too much but there was that moment where they're like
1:20:12
at the diner or restaurant and Jimmy's like explaining like a passing move to
1:20:18
Joe so I'm going to come around here and turn seven brand ding off Brandon we're going to fake outside a little bit right
1:20:24
here now it's a tough place to pass but I'm going to carry that speed inside bring it down back down the straight
1:20:29
away have plenty of speed to carry it it's it's kind of flawless you're not you're not even pay attention watch this
1:20:34
sorry show show me again and I think he does that in the
1:20:40
final race right I think we're led to believe that that little move he does was the one that he demonstrated at the
1:20:45
restaurant table there yes yeah I totally forgot about that I love how how like annoyed Ryan seems by all of that
1:20:57
like Ryan like I can't believe I'm even acknowledging this
1:21:03
nonsense what a call back to a great moment in the movie there is a call back here that I actually did enjoy the
1:21:09
humming the humming oh and and Jimmy starts the hum right yes yes the humming
1:21:15
has caught on to other Racers still don't know what it means but oh wait what does it mean he's close
1:21:20
to the edge on the edge he's close to the edge
1:21:31
he's I love how the humming is nonsensical it's a nonsensical tune it's just like your four-year-old kid is
1:21:37
being annoying at the dinner table when you're timeing to be [Music] quiet so the the race ends they all come
1:21:45
like within a split second of one another except for Joe spinning there at the end there but oh this is the one
1:21:51
where Joe spins to it's like a photo finish if I was I'd be like really MH
1:21:57
right I found that there was a race in 1997 a cart race where the first three
1:22:02
cars finished within 055 seconds of each other three cars that's insane so it
1:22:09
does happen I don't know oh yeah no no it's called a photo finish
1:22:15
Doug oh is that what it's called yes they have to use a photograph to see who came over first I guess it's akin to
1:22:23
like Rocky be beating Apollo up beating the count in Rocky 2 it didn't show
1:22:29
Jimmy having any other really kind of dominance other than he came from all the way back to win the race but when
1:22:37
you win by like a nose how definitive of a win is that but he also got help from Joe remember there that blocking there's
1:22:44
that Joe jumped over the racetrack I don't know if that's legal I I don't know sure he won congratulations Jimmy
1:22:53
the moral of the story is Jimmy wins but everybody's friends in the end yeah they're all friends everyone's getting
1:22:59
along I think Gina gerson's character Kathy I think she's trying to find a way out of this relationship I think she's scheming her mind to get away from this
1:23:05
peria guy Carl ends up in the middle of the RAC trck in his wheelchair how he got
1:23:13
there I have no idea nobody wheeled him there right he says something like to
1:23:18
Joe like you could have won that race
1:23:24
couldn't you I did win oh oh I totally missed that part wow I I
1:23:33
think at this point I was just waiting for it to end thank you Craig for catching that yes that sounds like a
1:23:38
very Rock yes when you know I didn't win the match I went my personal distance I did what I was supposed to do as a
1:23:45
character and then unlike a lot of Hollywood movies this movie just ends we
1:23:51
don't have a prolonged post you know race in the garage or in the locker room
1:23:56
scene we just see them celebrating and that's it we don't get the reporter turning in her story or memo in physical
1:24:06
therapy learning how to walk again Carl was about to sell out his racer right
1:24:12
and fire him but like there's no payoff to that either he just Wheels away and goes on with his life and even the
1:24:18
brother was like Ah that's my brother you know yeah yeah I love him after all this life doesn't exist kind of behavior
1:24:25
doesn't exist this didn't I think that's what I had a hard time I didn't relate to anybody I didn't like anybody I
1:24:30
didn't understand anybody their motives their emotions the way they reacted which reminds me again of the room if
1:24:36
you seen the room have you guys seen that movie I've never seen it no okay so maybe my analogy for those who have seen
1:24:43
the movie the room will totally know what I'm talking about if they have to seen this movie Driven your guys's challenge is to go watch the room and
1:24:49
then you'll be like oh my gosh Ryan's right because I want to see it because I heard great things about it because the
1:24:54
motivation of the characters why they're saying what they're saying that is the
1:24:59
the Cadence of the room that's the way they speak and you're like who are these people why are they even existing
1:25:05
together that is driven Disaster Artist about this movie oh that'd be amazing we
1:25:11
should do it dis so I gotta ask you Ryan you hadn't
1:25:16
seen this movie in what 18 years in 18 in next month it'll be 18 years yeah and
1:25:21
you just watched it for this podcast do you you imagine a time that you'll ever
1:25:27
watch this movie again never I could easily go another 20 I'm 43 now I'm my
1:25:32
life is getting shorter I'm not g to waste any more time watching this I've already I've talked about it for almost two hours and I watched it for two hours
1:25:38
that's four hours of my life have to edit the audio only version of this that's gonna take me I kid you not guys
1:25:44
this editing will probably take me six hours we love you for it Ryan Doug um
1:25:51
you hadn't seen this movie did it surpass or shatter your expectations it
1:25:57
surpassed my expectations wow actually I I had no
1:26:02
expectations I knew it existed but I was never interested in in racing at all race car movies I didn't really have any
1:26:10
expectations and just like every scene after scene I was like oh my God I can't
1:26:15
believe that this is the [ __ ] that they went with what hit The Cutting Room floor if this is what actually made the
1:26:22
final cut our challenge again Matt is toine that 4our cut I have to dig out
1:26:28
the DVD and watch the 51 minutes worth of deleted scenes I guess there's at least an hour of deleted scenes there
1:26:33
that so there is an hour's worth yeah it's funny because I thought last month when we watched Grudge Match I had seen
1:26:40
the DVD for driven and I couldn't locate it prior to recording I had to watch through that other means that we talked
1:26:46
about I'll save for the record I watched it illegally come and get me coppers FBI no
1:26:52
I gotta say this I said it at the beginning of the episode the worst thing a movie can do is not keep your
1:26:58
attention as much as I have problems with this movie from a storytelling and
1:27:03
a film making aspect this movie never lost my attention and when a movie can
1:27:09
hold your interest for its running time it did something right I would watch an
1:27:15
entire train wreck from beginning to end too that would hold my interest just seeing the train crash D
1:27:22
driven on Amazon to see if s I'm just seeing what kind of version they have on Amazon that's the version that I watched
1:27:30
yeah I wasn't able to watch it I couldn't even yeah they they have their own like Netflix style oh yeah stream
1:27:37
IMD fre dive or whatever yeah that yep that's exactly what I saw on see what the extras are here I can't find it I
1:27:45
think it's got commentary by renie harand it would almost be that's a good call I'm not going to
1:27:51
put myself through that again no no no no no no well guys it's been a pleasure
1:27:57
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1:28:45
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Dread it's a lot of fun I know we've talked about this before podcasting is a lot of work man and I commend you Ryan
1:29:00
and you Doug for consistently putting out product I've been there I've done it
1:29:06
and it's hard work it's truly inspiring to see that you guys are consistently putting out content while I sit on the
1:29:13
couch and play with my dogs yeah our wies love us for it don't they dog oh man it's getting tougher and
1:29:20
tougher now that I'm on on my night shift four out of my eight nights in a row are dedicated to work and now I'm
1:29:27
podcasting another one of them she's it's getting tougher but you know I have a duty you know I have I have
1:29:34
responsibility here to my fans the fans of Rocky minute my podcast where we cover the Rocky movies one minute at a
1:29:40
time when I say one minute at a time we're wrapping up Rocky 2 which uh we're
1:29:45
doing 118 episodes of we did 118 episodes of Rocky one because we're analyzing one minute of movie time at a
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time that's 236 episodes for you to catch up on of
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Rocky minute at your leisure before we uh get ready to start releasing episodes
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for Rocky 3 we got a long ways to go but we're having fun doing it just like Ryan you Google Rocky minute and all of our
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Social Media stuff will pop up I can't wait to be a part of the Rocky 3 minute I thoroughly enjoyed my participation in
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Rocky one and Rocky 2 and I welcome whatever minutes you want to throw my way all right I don't think there's many
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slog minutes like you know the coma from Rocky Rocky 3 is great man it's pretty
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lean and mean yeah it's going to be fun all right guys thanks and thanks everyone who's going to watch this video
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on our respective channels and listen to this on our respective iTunes channels we'll talk to everyone later bye
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ribit ribit ribbit

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