Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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Jonathan shows you guys ready to run down Get Carter oh we took a vote right
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yeah my gonna prepare yeah let me guess I get Carter a quick hot
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take go get Carter the terrible goatee terrible suit next movie all right guys
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well how excited are we to talk about coplann today very I got to tell you and
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not to get ahead of myself here and as my dog tries to chew the microphone cable um you know watching this back
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again after quite a few years man I got so amped for what we're about to do how
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long has it been since you've seen this God probably a good like 10 years years Wow yeah already been quite a
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while it's been a while I haven't seen us in in a little while but it it felt
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like the it felt familiar like I wasn't really surprised by anything when I was
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watching right right okay same here I did any of you seen the theater on its original release yeah I went and saw
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this in the theater yeah me I did as well yeah okay well yeah guys look at that we helped the box office and the
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bar the box office was 45 million dollars domestically which in today's
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dollars would have been about 65 million dollars domestic but what it costs to make it had a cost like like four bucks
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to make yeah it's not a very flashy movie there's me there's no CGI very
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simple stunts it's basically a play yeah very cheap I know Stallone and I know I
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don't know about the other actors but it did Stallone take just sake wages on this I think so and I'm talking about
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this on sly cast before and I you know knowing the Weinsteins
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are involved in this movie and we're sort of involved in what happened to slider ectly after this you know like
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like I said we've talked about this on the slide cast before there's more there's got to be more to this story because this was really a point in in
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sli's career where he had the opportunity to pivot and go back towards
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you know that more of the acting side of things and the less physical you know
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action star role which was appropriate for a guy that was you know the age that he was and man if those Weinstein's
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didn't sabotage him I mean I love where his career is gone since this it hit
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some rough patches but I'd love to be in the alternate universe where we see some
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of the other movies that sly made as a quote-unquote actor yeah and I just
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realized looking at my screen here I'm not too sure why you guys aren't popping up when you're talking I apologize but it's my ugly face up here you have to
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click on on your face again if I click on Craig right now does he pop up let's
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see yeah maybe if I do it manually I'll try that okay I'm sorry that's terrible due to
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Matt I'll be like a director oh yeah it does work so I'll make sure we're was talking I'll click on their face okay um
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so yeah crate to speak to what you're saying there and maybe I'm going even ahead of the review in a way in a weird
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way but this movie is a frustrating movie hot take I know it's a frustrating movie not because of what it is or how
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good it is but in a weird way because of how good it is like do you think
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Stallone okay how do i word this question like this movie does remind us
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of his acting prowess this movie came out 21 years after rocky is alright 97
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yeah yeah okay and then this movie was 21 years ago today like now is that
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weird so enough time has passed between rocky 1 and Copland and Copland and now
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that's depressing this this is where I'm depressed because just like what you're saying we've had
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21 years between Copland and 2018 where
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is our other Copland besides Creed where is it well this was supposed to be his
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artistic breakthrough right this was gonna be stallone getting out of that action out of like out of the the
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limelight that that he unfortunately forged for himself right this was gonna
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be his rebirth and I don't know why but the reviews on this and Stallone's
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performance were were just destroyed for some reason why I thought he was great
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in this I think it was his his reputation I think was what was being
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reviewed as opposed to his true ability as an actor and you know one thing that
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the internet is sort of brought about is you know more I don't want to say geek
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reviewers but geek reviewers and I gotta say that I bet you around this time like
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a Roger Ebert probably dug this movie and probably wrote a fair review you've got a lot of a lot of reviewers
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that are just too cool for the room and and a lot of times is just easier to dismiss somebody than to give them
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credit for a performance you know it's it's funny that you know the same year this came out your Boogie Nights came
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out in 97 right and you had Marky f'ing mark turn in a great performance you
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know that for whatever reason people were able to accept and it amazes me
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that critics were able to look past Marky Mark from the Funky Bunch but couldn't tune in with what's what what
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Stallone was was was doing so yeah I
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read I actually read Roger Ebert's review he gave it two out of four stars wow that's surprising
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yeah it's unfair okay well we're to get into this but that's my heartache at the
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beginning is just watching this movie and doing the timeline in my head between rocky one car plan Copland and
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now Creed two we don't have another kopplin and that's frustrating so we
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know that Stallone has this in his - or in his wheelhouse and his tool belt whatever metaphor you want to use and
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maybe I'm getting a little bit of head still and maybe this is the time to talk about it why doesn't he do this more
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he's worth five hundred million dollars according to net worth calm weather so give or take he's worth anywhere between
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four and five hundred million dollars why isn't he doing the passion projects
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that he talks about the Edgar Allan Poe movies or just whatever I know he's just built a Balboa Studios I don't know what
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quite all about that maybe that's what he's doing now maybe he's finally realizing that 72 he's probably should
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start doing this some of these passion projects but 21 years man like he doesn't you have a million or two
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dollars to throw down so you know what I'm gonna do an independent film I'm gonna find it myself I want to get I
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want to be hungry again work with some hungry directors hungry editors let's just do something I don't know
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well before I answer that I will say that we didn't get another Copland but we did get an ants and a spy kids 3d
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game over I kind of feel like
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in 2005 balboa came out in 2005 right no 2008 2006
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okay so I kind of feel like so I had another opportunity to do this in 2006
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and then 2008 when Rambo came out and he just never seems to follow through on
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his opportunities look at look at what he did after Creed and and we all talked
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about what you know how this you know the the Oscar nomination sort of reenergized his career and legitimized
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him as an actor again and all the opportunities he had in front of him and then he went and did what escape plan -
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was like he went back to what he was known for what he was I don't even want
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to say what he was best at because he killed it in Copland mm-hmm yeah but I think this that the something
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went down with with with the Weinsteins and Miramax because that's my story what is that story unless my memories faulty
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he had a multi film deal with them and then after Copland performed the way it
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did they kind of just you know they I don't know if they didn't follow through on the deal with with sly or they cut
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him loose or what but they had made a commitment to him and then I mean this movie performed the way it did and
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shortly thereafter slide was straight-to-video mm-hmm so I know there's another there's
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got to be more to the story here and and like I said you know with what's come out about Harvey Weinstein uh you know
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since this movie and also if you look at how the guy sort of you know did
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business it doesn't surprise me that he might have you know partially sabotage
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slice career I'm wondering I'm wondering that first some rumors or some thoughts
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on that Weinstein might add blacklist alone to some degree and but you know what maybe we'll save that for another
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another discussion cuz I don't know enough to talk to that but let's talk about the movie so maybe you want to
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hear our thoughts on the actual movie itself Copland I guess that is my thought on how frustrating this is
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because when I watched this like 24 hours ago 48 hours ago it just reminded
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me of how much Stallone has in his tank and I felt as a fan for 21 years later
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I'm like why don't we get a Scarpa why don't we get some mafia movies why didn't we get him playing a bad guy why
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don't we get him doing why why why why anyway so we'll never know but let's
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review rock so let's review Copland we should tell her listeners what do you do
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for profession and where do you live I'm all police officer from New Jersey did
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any of this ring true now often but often too often right right away does any of this ring true any of this no no
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no no no no locations yes some of the stuff from sort of familiar with races
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knows it's it's almost all fictional and
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would never happen hey Doug is how how many years to old is harvey keitel to do
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what he's doing in that movie he's like a uniformed cop in that movie right yeah yeah he's definitely too old to be
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uniformed cop we're jumping to the end of the movie here but you know or towards the you
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know the last third of the movie but when he shows up at that that building with the rooftop fight and you see him
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in like the the standard movie cop uniform you're like really it's like
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this is this guy like about to collect a retirement check yeah he should be either detective if not a detective any
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stolen patrol he should be a lieutenant or a captain at his advanced age definitely not on the beat well what
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rank was he did you catch it uh you know I did not I did not that's okay no I
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know I know I didn't let's talk about I do you want to break down scenes you do
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want to go and order the movie or do you just want to talk about things I would just did there they talk about certain scenes that stuck out the cast itself is
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huge is talking yeah I think the main thing is is it's funny how it's a kind of
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starts like a Scorsese movie hmm and it ends like a Scorsese movie and what's
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your take on the sort of bookended Robert De Niro voiceover because a lot
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of times in movie that's that's that's it yeah that's a tool that's used throughout the movie in here it's really used at the beginning the end and I'm
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curious to see what you guys think but last night I was trying to justify it from a writing standpoint and I thought
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maybe that was something from one of his files Robert De Niro's files that you
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know was sort of being read to us that's a great question actually Craig and I
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thought about that too I seen it again for the first time in a while I was like oh yeah De Niro opens the discussion any
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closes it's like I didn't like and maybe it's just maybe give DeNiro more
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screentime he doesn't have a lot of screen time he's kind of like almost like Jack Nicholson amount of time from
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a few good men you know he's a big name but he's not the name in the movie let's
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talk about De Niro then while weird while we're talking well I don't want to get I don't want to get past the the book ended okay sure narration I don't
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know I've been now I actually think it's it's if you think about it the the
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ending narration really really probably cuts about 20 minutes out of what have
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been an extended ending of this movie and the end the the opening kind of sets up Copland if you will and I guess as um
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you know I'm not sure if there's any other exposition you can do to sort of establish what he establishes in that
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opening voiceover but I guess it's important to know what that town is um I
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would like to go over really quickly and poke some holes in it if I may so what
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Robert De Niro's voiceover is essentially saying that back in the 70s the New York Police Department officers
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wanted out of the city but only transit cops could live outside of New York
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because they're also run by New Jersey and Connecticut which is
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true they don't call it transit cops here we have a New York and New Jersey
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Port Authority Police Department which they do the bridges and tunnels they run
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both New York and New Jersey the train stations and yes there they work both
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sides of the other border and they can live inside or outside New Jersey or in
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New York they're not called transit cops and I don't think Connecticut is included in that but what they say is
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that that these new york the york police
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department which is jeff their pubs in the subway so the city could declare them auxilary transit cops which i don't
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believe exists and even if they were and declared like a part-time transit or
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Port Authority police you can't be a part-time Port Authority police officer but if you were you're still bound to
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within the limits of New York if you if you work as a New York police a New York
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City police officer you are you have to live within the confines of New York City or one of the surrounding counties
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oh wow well in fairness in 1997 how many
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New York teams played sports in New Jersey you know yes everybody claims to
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be the New York Jets New York Giants but they in fact play in New Jersey yes right across its hop skip and a jump
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like it truly is well there's also no garrison New Jersey that is a fictional
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town that's right that's right did they
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film this in like was it Weehawken or I was trying to figure out geographically where that was Doug it's uh it was
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filmed in Fort Lee in Edgewater okay why was argue far off this the the lake
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directly under the bridge under the GWB scenes are for oh yes that that's right where the
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George Washington Bridge lets on well know there's a garment factory of what the garbin capital of the world Fort Lee
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yeah that sign when you drive through Fort Lee to go into Manhattan don't know
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about Fort Lee is a chris Christie and bridge gate bridge that's it's it's that
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that part of New Jersey yes the bridge it wasn't I don't think it was the George Washington Bridge but it was
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close enough Edgewater is the is like where like the
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parts of town that's right on the river that's Edgewater in New Jersey and that's like both both of these shots in
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New York City are of the Bronx it's not even Manhattan and we're led to believe that these guys work in Manhattan right
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yeah I'm okay so let's let's start the movie off let's let's starts off Robert
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De Niro has said hey a bunch of cops have put together a housing cooperation
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outside of where they are cops the the mortgage is better the rent is better
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and we basically it's like a cop strata mm-hmm
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and that cop strata a community is then
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policed by sheriff Heflin and that's played by Sylvester Stallone also if I'm
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a sheriff's do not patrol municipalities in New Jersey sheriff's sheriff's or
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County police officers they they run the courts and and county agencies oh my
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goodness well did you guys notice the
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first shot of special Stallone they had a pan down the show has got you know he's going for quarters in his hands and
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of course the camera slowly pans down to show his huge that was the funniest
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thing about watching this movie after so long it was like you know you you remember that Stallone put on weight for
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this movie and when they pan down I'm like I don't know that doesn't I'd love to have that today like and that's what
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I was thinking too and like I could you know I don't quite have that I don't have that gut but if you put a shirt on
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me why couldn't just put a pillow like here's what I don't understand is like like sly like his face like look I love
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sly but his face got bigger and rambled in this movie yeah did is it me or did he look like Frank Stallone in this
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movie maybe it was Frank Stallone look I was gonna say he looks older in this
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movie than he does today in real life he looks a lot like Frank Stallone has looked in the past 10 years
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so he's 51 in this movie mm-hmm and well
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yeah so get this he's 51 in real life and I'm not too sure what age he's supposed to be in the movie because they
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talk about he's been a sheriff for 10 years and he wasn't able to become a New York City police officer because of his
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hearing mm-hmm yeah so I don't know did he try for 25 years kind of he did yeah
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the math doesn't add up he's definitely in his 40s like when he gets the job which is well that's the
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thing I was gonna mention Doug is you can't trust anybody's age in this movie right because obviously Harvey Keitel
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wasn't playing his real age you know and they never really establish how old anybody is so yeah he could have been
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playing 10 years younger Stallone I don't know that's a rough go
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yeah he looked 50 well let's be honest he looked a good 48 49 51 like he's not
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pulling up 41-year you know what I loved about this opening scene is you get right to it with Stallone and you start
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seeing him doing you know that nonverbal acting that my ass like guest co-host
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Jeff Hewlett loves so much but you also see the the cop that he can be where
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he's watching a fig figgus and the lady
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from The Sopranos there yeah any Falco meant no disrespect but he's observing
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them and you see the bag exchange and you can tell the that freddie's sort of processing it as
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a cop even though he knows ultimately there's really nothing he can do with what's going on in front of them
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yeah it's just establishing that though he seems to be a little bit out of shape a little bit dopey he's got that bad
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hearing and it's the first time view or you don't know why he goes hook what what do you say we're not too sure was
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he like dumb but we just realized that he's not okay maybe this is too early
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but I found the first hour of this movie was Rocky one it was the first hour of
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Rocky one you mean like think of Rocky one for a second here he goes around trying to help people out nobody wants
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his help nobody takes him seriously busses up his nose he's got a broken
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nose he's like like everything about this for like I thought this is like
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like if rocky never became a boxer he would've become sheriff Heflin it was
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like it was a million-to-one shot to become a New York City police officer yeah anyways I couldn't believe the
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rocky similarities having having covered rocky for so long and watching this movie again after covering rocky for so
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long in my other podcast I was like my goodness he's four it's fine but he's channeling that acting I guess so just
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remind me of that subtle acting that he brought to Rocky one yeah let me let me expose my poor research that I do for
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these episodes yeah we know this was written and directed by drink james mangold yes who a lot of people probably
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know from his work and you know like Logan he made the Wolverine movie he's
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kind of like kind of a big budget guy now but this was sort of his early what
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may be his first film I don't even know there again there's more research but but I almost wonder if he wrote this
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with Stallone in mind I don't think so because I think Stallone wanted the
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Robert De Niro part at first it was hang
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on Ray Liotta one of the role of Freddy Heflin and Sylvester wanted
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the role of Gary Figgis oh really it was character that's what it was yes okay so can you imagine if Stallone played ray
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Figgis I can't imagine anybody but Ray Liotta playing race oh my god he plays
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that part so perfectly it's it's it's weird it took me a long time to get on board with Ray Liotta and it I never
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liked the guy for some reason and I mean even though I loved Goodfellas and you know but there was always something
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about him I don't know if it's his eyes or what but it wasn't until I saw the movie narc
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that I really sort of understood and accepted Ray Liotta so watching Copland
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back with it with a an appreciation of what Ray Liotta or who Ray Liotta is he
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almost he damn near steals this movie he almost Jay you know he James Woods this
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film and in fact that brings me to the next point Stallone does a great job of this film it reminds us again of what he has in
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his wheelhouse what he has in his tank to give us an actor given the right role take out all the flash and everything
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else he could for he couldn't bring a good performance Robert De Niro has done some crappy movies in his life all these actors have and Stallone has too but for
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whatever reason Robert De Niro and Ray Liotta have gone back to those kind of movies more frequently and the Stallone has so that being said though again
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another one of the the first time I saw this film in 97 the first thought I had was is my goodness this is a great movie
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but it's great because everybody's great and in a weird way Stallone is great but
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it's almost like but so was DeNiro so was Liotta so was Robert Patrick so is Annabelle's Korea all these actors in
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a Peter Berg they're all good everyone is coming to this movie really wanting
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to act so even Janeane Garofalo yes and the best friend from true The Truman
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Show yes oh no a merc yeah yeah probably
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the most unfortunate actor in Hollywood yes he always shows up he's like hey
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remember me you know III was right yeah why I watch this movie with my 20 year
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olds my 20 year old son and he said oh isn't that the guy from Back to the Future
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you know what I gotta say there really is no you know I mean in the specialist
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we saw lots of you know worst of the movie performances but there's not even
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a questionable performance in this movie they're all no good to great I mean
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there's not even a bit player in this movie that you you know you look at sideways no it's uh it's well acting
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movie so we talked about De Niro we're gonna get to some of the scenes later we'll start at the beginning we've we've already been introduced to like Edie
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Falco as a little bit of a role she's the bomb girl Ray Liotta looking absolutely horrendous this whole movie
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he just looks like I think he I think he heard this alone was putting on 40 pounds so he stayed up for 40 days he's
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like I think I think he was doing drugs the whole movie I'm not sure he looked like he was on drugs the whole movie I
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got that like that last day of freedom he he he has in Goodfellas that he
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definitely tapped into that for the entire movie he definitely has that yeah imagine if
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thought Stallone got real ray Liotta's part of remember that scene when ray Liotta's character goes to Harvey cartel
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Harvey Keitel's character is is don't shut me out ray yeah and that was
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awesome you know like Ray Liotta the way he
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talks the way he's able to do those things it's amazing okay so let's go to
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the back to the beginning again we see this exchange have between Edie Falco and ray Liotta's character at the table
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some money I guess money is transferred over and we find out later that money was used to money you know it was the
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actual it was the whatever blew up your house Rickles
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it was it was bomb-making material that's right she's bombed girls you give it us her she's giving it to Ray yeah
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yeah so of course a half Lynn notices that and what pizza machine is he
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playing anyway you get no weapon for three Lethal Weapon 3 yeah you're right yeah
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so yeah so Ray's plant Lethal Weapon 3 and he goes out to get more quarters
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from the parking meter he's stumbling drunk and raised like you okay to drive home there Freddie and yo yo I'm good
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I'm good and so again I'll ask this question to you and you know the right your guys out there too but how many drunk driving
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cops do you have a new drink [Laughter] I know Ryan I thought you were gonna ask
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us if we were pinball people or video games yeah yeah that's right well go
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ahead yeah what's gonna ask that but I am I am a pinball people I'm definitely pinball people you know me too I think
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if it came down to having a games room you know if I had that kind of money where I could build a room with arcade games the pinball machine there's
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something really cool about the pinball machine yeah I love the sounds and everything about it absolutely we're a bunch of pinball guys it's great so so
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what biggest does here is he puts Freddy in the driver's seat of a patrol car
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yeah drunk and - Figgis Freddy did say
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he was okay to drive oh yeah always I always believe that guy yeah you live in Las Vegas Craig mission
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no better well how perceptive do you think Figgis was I I mean you're you're the sheriff
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you know in a town where there are no sheriffs because they're only County officers but yours you're the head
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cheese in a town where like it's just all cops it's all cops so who are you
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gonna worry about yeah I'm not saying it's right I'm not saying it's right but
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I I understand Rock how many black people were in this
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Copland Jesus Christ back there for you I'm just curious
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I just I watched this movie and I notice and this there's a deleted scene you can find on
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YouTube as you watch it no I didn't okay there's a reason why there's no black people in this Copland
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it's yeah there's a deleted scene that had this I had this made the movie I'm glad it didn't because it's it's it
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they're all playing baseball okay that the cops are all playing baseball and a
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car tries by playing loud as Paulie would say juggle junk music yeah
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so they all throw down their bats get into their cars and chase after this car
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for playing loud music and it's rap music the corner these guys and in some
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cult a sack get them out of the cars and Robert Patrick's character plants drugs
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into one of the black guys pockets Oh Mike surprise hey sheriff heflin's there
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it is like well come on guys maybe we should just push it by the ways again here we got this and all the cops to start harassing these black guys and
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that's like the end of the deleted scene yes I did was actually when when this movie came out you guys remember the age
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where you could get like you know bootleg VHS tapes yeah we had a
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connection on them and I don't remember where it is and and I'm glad because I can't incriminate anyone but we had a
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great bootleg Network where we were eight we were getting like work prints
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and rough cuts of movies and I had a for the longest time and it probably didn't
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make the move to Vegas with me I had a VHS copy of like an early you know pre
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theatrical release print of Copland that had a lot of deleted scenes in it and I
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I don't remember if it's the same as what has since been released as I believe there's a director's cut there
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is yeah yeah the most baloney yeah the version I watched was 2 hours long Wow okay so the one I watch was
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about an hour and 45 minutes oh wow and yours demon have the that great scene
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with the cops wish asking the black guys to join them for baseball now but it sounds like
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you might have watched the director's cut Doug I must have because there was I can't pinpoint it right now but there
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was a couple of scenes I was thinking that I don't remember when I originally saw it alright so you want to go back
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and watch the theatrical cut we'll wait for you yeah so let's not break will
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this us down by our 45 minutes okay okay so we got a couple things in the chat
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here we just got Jonathan Howell he's mad at us for saying that Ray Liotta was like James Woods he's still mad about
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the James Woods from work his way into
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every episode Matt be there whatever
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faithful listeners Bebo he said the De Niro was sporting the ron jeremy moustache he definitely has a 70s thing
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going on with the hairdo and everything and that he's so sweaty Jonathan goes on to say he's sweaty yeah he's like half a
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Tony Clifton yeah there you go he also points out that there's a lot of
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Raging Bull in uh here in um Copland with DeNiro Frank Vincent and Kathy
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Moriarty same actors actors yeah no that was both a Raging Bull on this but
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there's also a lot of Sopranos cross over to their right there was Sopranos guys like the the pitcher that Robert De
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Niro shows heflin's is they know you know he's mixing up with mafia guys it's like they didn't open any parts you look
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like guys from The Sopranos there was a background cop that was for The Sopranos to the priest I think in The Sopranos
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it's weird yeah so I guess New Jersey really did cast a lot of people from that area because that this was filmed
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in Jersey so I guess some of these actors that are from the area were like locals let me if I can this is a perfect
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spot for this a lot a lot of the main cast came from New Jersey in New York
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make sense Sylvester Stallone New York Harvey Keitel Brooklyn Ray Liotta Newark
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New Jersey Robert De Niro New York Peter Berg New York Janeane Garofalo Newton New Jersey Michael Rapaport New York
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City Noah Emmerich New York City Kathy Moriarty the Bronx John Spencer who's uh I think he plays
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Leo the detective Leo New York City Frank Vincent who's the PBA representative Jersey City
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New Jersey Malik Billy Batson in Goodfellas Billy batts yeah Malik Yoba who's the detective Carson yeah I was
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born in New York City Arthur nasca Ella who's Frankie one of
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the cops Suffolk New York who is also a real NYPD officer 'if alko's from New
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York City Victor Williams who he was one of the cops that was interviewed he's also in the King of Queens Bronx New
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York yeah that's fair any seer homie sirico who plays toi Carrillo in a picture from
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Brooklyn so there you go that's awesome yeah that's that's that's a they shop
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locally that's the way to do it yeah so Michael Rapaport that's an interesting person in real
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life and one of the big we're actually one of the big parts of this movie thoughts on him as an actor I I mean he
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plays the same character in every movie plays but I love Michael Rapaport yeah
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when you want that type he's the guy to go to but he's pretty much the guy from true romance that I think we all
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probably saw him for the first time in that movie yes also the higher learning
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the neo-nazi he's he played the same part the whiney you know what was me guy
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that just you know came into the wrong crowd so he's actually a huge Stallone
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fan in real life is he yeah yeah yeah he did a Twitter rant and I'll see if I can
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find it for the edit the audio edit at the spark of this episode he does a Twitter rant about when Stallone lost
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Best Supporting Actor for creed he went on Twitter I think he did a live reaction to the loss and he was just
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literally upset this episode may have an explosive on or a podcast episode because uh yeah it he was rightfully so
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he was upset about Stallone's loss and he went on quite a tirade about that but I think he's a Stallone fan of real life
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no kiddin yeah I mean who's not well I think Michaels probably watching this
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show so hey Michael we really appreciate your support and you did a great job there yeah and and and getting back to
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the sort of writing of this movie and and how you know how well put together
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it is and and I kind of criticized the the book ending narration that is kind of a storytelling shortcut if you will
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but I think the story they tell with with Murray here Michael Rapaport
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Superboy I mean you don't get his
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backstory but you hear enough to realize sort of where he's coming from and and
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what his name means and I think it's it's it's a it's a really good you know
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example of that you know show don't tell mentality when it comes to moviemaking
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okay that's good he's got some comments
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here that Matt be said here the yeah we just talked about that where you said to watch wrap respond to or reactive sly
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losing the Oscar and he Oh man-bat that's armando mr no thank you
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he said that rapport will always be the Nazi from higher learning for him so there you go yeah
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one of the favorite scenes I forget were in the movie was when De Niro was talking about De Niro is when he keeps
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saying the way he delivered his lines just cadence this film was really good and one of the we all know the one coming up we'll get we'll get to later
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but when he tells everyone to shut you shot up I thought you were gonna say
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what he told everybody to go to lunch go to lunch I could have watched seen him just
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ripping stuff up the walls knocking stuff off des telling people to go to lunch oh it's it's an A+ rent I
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it go to launch so that that is really
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like sort of a perfect example of what Robert De Niro does does an actor like
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if you were putting together a demo reel of what he does that would definitely be one of the scenes yeah this is a this is
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a De Niro was great in this and that's what I was saying before it's almost frustrating how good he was cuz he
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steals every scene he's in and I think he steals more the Stallone now this is
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a Stallone movie and he is against showing us audience and that's the big that's the big talking point the reason
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why were tied with this film is the Sloane's doing something he hasn't done since almost rocky one he showcase a
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little bit of it in the rocky film sure even his quiet presence in first blood was shown but what movie between rocky
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and Copland did he have a cop line performance Rhinestone yes did I did
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break this courageous dude Craig just reveal our next review of rock say that
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this is like the showcase Sylvester Stallone movie like that this is his
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range right here like if if you watch Rocky but you've never seen you know the
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specialists over the top Judge Dredd demolition man and you watch this you're
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like yes that's the Leicester Stallone but he was muddied by all that that like
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mid eighties action [ __ ] that kind of ruined him not not that a ruined him
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because I love it for what it is right what the critics man they that a
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pigeon-holed him and that's all he was worth to them so when he tries to go back and do something that's worth
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anything they're like oh here's Stallone here's the big action star trying to do something artsy and they kill him for it
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yeah okay how do I say this so I'm a big
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fan I'm gonna mention Metallica right Metallica's a band that everyone knows and kind of can relate to whether you
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like him or not you know what they sound like you know who they are now if Metallica did a banjo album you
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know to showcase that they can pick on the banjo just as well as they could strum on a guitar which they probably can their fans are gonna be
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like what are you doing we wanted another Metallica album and so for better for worse alone and maybe that's
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why the dog don't you bark at me and my
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wife barks at me already but in urban NGO fans yeah but you get what I'm
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saying like artistry no matter what it is whether you're acting music playing painting a novel writer you have your
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you have your wheelhouse and your fans were drawn to that wheelhouse and you might get the authentic be like oh well
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here even when a singer does a solo album right the solo album he might be expressing or she might be expressing something different than the band to get
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that out of their system but they kind of go back to what they know and let's be honest what what audience love and
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what they love about Stallone and we all do we all go back to it is the action and the fun but I guess in 21 years he
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could have probably spared some sort of independent project I wonder yeah and well the other thing is like you know
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I've believed more and more in the sort of idea that as soon as you're a success
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you're sort of ruined as an artist because you know success is a
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double-edged sword right you know it gives you the exposure and the the fame and the fortune as an actor that you or
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as a musician or wherever you excel in an art but at the same time it sort of creates a box for you it would be like
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if if Pauly Shore put out a book of poetry it could be the best book of poetry ever but it's not gonna get
43:52
looked at seriously because he's Pauly [ __ ] Shore right we're trying to find the joke and his poems yeah yeah yeah
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that wouldn't matter this I mean success really is the worst thing that can probably happen to an artist but it's
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you know it's kind of necessary to continue being an artist the ultimate catch-22 I guess absolutely
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yeah well I wouldn't know success of a hit me in the face with these podcasts gonna say we don't have to worry about
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it we'll never have to worry about changing our tune yeah I will say one
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thing though that you we all sort of already expressed what a great DeNiro performance this is but the
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fact that there are two quality scenes between DeNiro and Stallone in this
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movie and at no point do you feel like Stallone is deficient you know you know
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I mean it's really good actors elevate you and and at the same time you know to
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be able to act with Robert De Niro from what I understand Robert De Niro really respects other people's time you know in
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even into the you know the you know where he's done off camera stuff that they normally say oh the stand-in will
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say your lines you know just so we can get the reverse shot so you know I I
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kind of feel like those scenes with Stallone and and DeNiro really showcase the best of both of those guys and
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really what DeNiro can bring to a scene and also what do you can bring out of an actor and then also what Stallone
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brought to that scene I think those are really worthwhile scenes and the end there there seems you can watch
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repeatedly but you've seen you've seen the near play that guy before but you've
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never seen Stallone play the guy he's playing yeah so so I agree that yeah it
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like they are great scenes like with him with the neuron Stallone but you're
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you're kind of paying more attention to this alone even though he's more soft spoken and he but it's kind of hard not
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to focus on Stallone in the scenes like you said it's it's it's kind of a cool counterbalance cuz he's so quiet and
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reserved you very same time that that you know that movie kind of put a spotlight on him yeah we got some
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comments from the group we can bounce off your mats to the Stallone gained the weight for Coppola and he wondered if yes narrow how De Niro gained weight for
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Raging Bull and maybe the topic that was a topic they talked about between takes quite possibly someone's always been
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pretty his his body mass and changing things and gaining the losing weight I suspect
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he probably had fun gaining it but from what I've read of some interviews he was pretty he was pretty uh depressed yeah he
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didn't like it and he was pretty anxious to burn it off in fact he burned it off before they
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even did any reshoots it was there a problem with that or something to do with the reshoots there you know there's
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definitely a scene at the end of the movie where I saw him walking and he was in sort of a a you know a shot from his
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probably his waist up and I said he looks a lot trimmer here and you know I didn't even think about reshoots Doug
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but there are definitely a couple scenes here where he doesn't look like he's carrying that extra weight yeah I think
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he was about it who was I think Weinstein was upset about the reshoot I
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think I know are is that Joe no I know
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the guy I know the guy and not have like
47:46
a punch line I don't know I will think of something we have we ever talked about Annabelle's career yet so the one
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female really we haven't talked about the movie really well we actually so for
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the people that are listening to this show bless your hearts we we're just doing this as we go what I kind of like
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the idea we're just talking about the film like if we just got on watching the film what would be how would we talk about it if we sat around with a couple
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beers our hand and that's kind of how I see this but we can we can break down certain scenes if you want or go in
48:19
order I don't want to bore our listeners I think the yeah coffee talk roundtable is a good way of going to yeah I mean
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like the well the plot of the movie is that there's a bunch of NYPD cops that
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live in New Jersey and and these you
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shut up [Laughter] so so this village in New Jersey this
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town in New Jersey that that houses all these cops is run by Sheriff Freddy Heflin but the they're all crooked cops
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well what we come to find out is that the the mob backed the mortgages on all
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these these guys houses and it turned this precinct in the New York PD is
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funneling drugs through the precinct into the city for the mob so it's like a
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whole crooked cop scene this one cop Murray babitch he ends up shooting two
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guys on the George Washington Bridge yeah that let's talk about that great sequence that's brutal okay two things
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the guy okay I probably would have filmed a little bit better I know I know
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the guy pulls out okay well actually I got a question for you doggy you're a police officer right I am if you're
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driving home in your civilian clothes and you're sober so let's just say you're sober and you just mad at the
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skin color I'm I don't know try to be funny here so if you saw two guys clip your car you did clip clip it they say
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I'm a site site squad swag what would you at that point Doug what are you
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allowed to do was an off-duty police officer and what are you allowed to do you just call it into color by say hey I
50:05
got sliced splitting this guy hit my car and let you guys take care of his that what you do or that muri muri babitch
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aka Michael Rapaport did nothing wrong in this scene except being drunk all
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right being drunk that that was the only thing the leg all the other pieces fit like he he got sideswiped he tried to
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get the car to stop right he showed his badge he identified himself as a police officer the guy refused pointed
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something out of the window yeah going at high speed you can argue you thought that that was a firearm he hears his
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tire blowout yeah which he thinks is a shot fired yeah yeah up to that point he
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is completely justified okay now remind me of the scene though the car comes to a stop he's still going
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forward he hits their car he hits always three he shoots before he hits the car by the way what what a marksman yeah no
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that's he shoots he's he's leaning out the driver side of the window with his right
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arm yeah he's crossing his body gone out to win there's no way in hell you're
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hitting any any type of he hit him six times oh so we're gonna
51:14
suspend disbelief on that shots yeah he why he no he hit them six times there
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was stay wary they had six bullet wounds as my understanding
51:26
so my question though Doug is is he allowed to shoot that weapon while he's traveling in the car stop I mean study
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did they're fleeing is he allowed to shoot a car fleeing we're told never to shoot from or add a moving vehicle so
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that's where he gets in trouble then wouldn't that be where he gets in trouble where he gets in trouble is being drunk and and jealousy he was so
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let's say he was sober well sober he the vehicle sober he's
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he's probably justified if he's sober because he thought he was being shot at
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that's the key takeaway right yeah yeah okay I'm not I'm not I'm not trying bust
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your chops I'm actually just trying to figure this out because I'm in the military and we have different rules of engagement of course we're peacekeeping
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nation okay but what we saw have the inheritant it--of self-defense and we have three things that we have to follow
52:19
up you probably the proxy proximity capability and intent those three things
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have to show in order to use deadly force so for example if the guy is on
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the jetty and I'm on my ship and he's pointing a knife at me so he's got he's
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got capability he has a knife he can he could hurt me the knife he's got intent he really wants to stab me with a knife
52:41
but he doesn't have proximity you know he's a hundred feet away so I can't pull out my rifle and shoot him so so I think
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in this now this is just me playing devil's advocate and I'm not trying start a cop thing here but the car was
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moving away from the officer and they it was ahead of them and he tried to pull
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him over and now it's become a car chase but instead of chasing the vehicle he shoots the vehicle and there's no threat
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of life at that point so even though the viewer is like oh he's gonna get in trouble just by shooting these guys as
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they as they're because they're gonna be able to reconstruct the car and the impact and when they were shot and I don't know like that another variable is
53:20
the potential that they can cause harm to other people and well sure it's uh we have something
53:27
called a reasonable officer standard like if you believe that your life or somebody else's life is in immediate
53:33
danger of this perpetrator then you are allowed to use deadly force right
53:39
they were just showing they were just showing the year their carjacked thing because it's tire blow this hit will
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help you pull over the side and will help fix your tire we have it we have
53:57
something help you with no good deed goes unpunished
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but they tried these crooked cops try to cover up because he's one of them
54:09
Jan's crooked cops try to cover up and it's really brazen I mean that that kind of shows the level of corruption right
54:15
Doug Yeah Yeah right right off the bat because they're doing it in front of the
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EMTs who smell the [ __ ] well they smelled it right away oh well what I
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love is I'm Robert Patras character Hey look at this I thought I thought it Lucy from the 1990 forty years the 1940s eeeh
54:41
from a sub World War two movie put under his mat I don't know why he didn't just
54:47
like stuff it like right under the seat have another cop come and look at the car it was like he literally goes to the
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car pulls it out of a paper bag I know
54:59
it's just a film but you could think they could take an extra ten seconds to have another cop go there and find it well that speaks to the corruption I
55:05
think in the brazenness of it all yeah he's a Ernie they knew what happened they saw it like
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the the dried blood stuff that was will
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locked to the guy's hands like there's no that's what the guy had in his hands so get out of his dead hands and you're
55:23
gonna pretend like he had this Izzy and we're the empty empties like his his
55:30
reaction is perfect it's like what the [ __ ] are you doing it's bucks the gun off the bridge so
55:36
Superboy's pan out this is really good I caught this watching this again Superboy
55:42
Michael Rappaport's character he was very he didn't like this at all he he
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told what's do this proper he was actually convinced like Doug was saying like I'm drunk I know I'm drunk I passed on the drink and so he was on Doug side
55:54
of the story meaning like he's like look they pointed a weapon at me and I I know I felt my life was in danger I've got a
56:00
case you don't you guys don't have to get crooked on the oldest oh so he was even going for the angle don't go
56:05
crooked on me and when they pulled out the gun he realized and he realized they planted a weapon this is this is escalating he's like my badge my bags
56:11
are gonna he that's when he went and goes to the bridge now he doesn't jump off the bridge where does he go there it
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had to be coordinated with Keitel right with Ray like right in the back of his
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car oh my god okay can we talk about
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that because it's like either Harvey Keitel's a bad actor acting as a bad actor or a good actor acting bad because
56:38
he's saying oh my he jumped I where did he go he be found he was he he was here
56:44
and now he's gone I like better used kind of sounds like what that does
56:54
everything better he's handsome he's funny he's articulate I mean that is a
57:02
good point though Ryan it's like it could be like you said a good actor pretending to be a bad actor or a bad I
57:10
mean it's great cuz you can't tell where the movie ends and where the real life begins and either way it's a brilliant
57:16
choice on Keitel's part right hi I hope so because it was bad acting I don't
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like was he trying to convince was he just doing it I wonder if he's just doing it to say here's the official
57:28
byline he's jumped yeah at that point I don't think he's really he needs to convince anybody that's just like like
57:36
if anybody's getting notes like this is stamen is he jumped it doesn't matter how I say it it that's just what it is
57:43
he jumped and I was corrected on Annabelle's name the actress Annabelle cieaura my
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apologies that was not that was Matt Matt be able correct me on that kinda say for the record every time I see her
57:58
in a movie I always say to myself my goodness she's gorgeous and my goodness I have to
58:03
see more of her not naked but I mean just just like more movies of her and I always forget no matter what when I
58:10
watch coplann I'm I'm like oh yeah I love this actress she's so good she's so captivating on screen she's easy on the
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eyes and she's a great actress anyone else feel the same way about her yeah I don't the only other thing I really
58:23
remember her in his hand a rocks a cradle oh yeah I don't I don't remember like
58:30
she was kind of like the mousie wife in that like I don't remember her being like a sexy yeah I don't mean sexy the
58:37
way you would look at like I don't know I tend to give me a soul objective or I might try to check to fire I'd be
58:44
careful I've just come sick I mean she's attractive and but but I like her and I like I like her screen
58:50
presence and I just just reminded me to go back and look at more of her library yeah is she and this is a movie full of
58:57
unlikable people but was her character as unlikable to you as it was as it was
59:03
to me because you kind of see how frustrated Freddy is with where his life
59:10
went when he intervened and saved hers but at the same time I want to talk
59:15
about the frame one that might remind the listeners of what what the relationship is and the so the setup is
59:22
basically that a young Stallone and I love when they try and do Stallone as a teenager we've seen it in a couple
59:29
different movies and this guy was a pretty good 17 year old Stallone I thought but it was a bad
59:37
we got a flashback scene where we see a car come off a bridge while young Freddy
59:42
is eating lunch he dives in he ends up in the car and the car underwater has
59:48
sort of shifted so it limits his escape route so then in an effort to get
59:54
through the window they need to get through to save this him and this girl all he basically smashed his the side of
1:00:02
his head and his ear against the window in a really effective scene because you almost hear the moment where he loses
1:00:07
his hearing but but to tie back into it
1:00:12
it almost feels like she uses him a little bit or she has used him for the
1:00:19
remainder um you know leading up to the moments in these in this movie yeah good
1:00:24
point before you get to that I want to talk about the hearing loss scene every time I see this film and there's two
1:00:31
parts in this film the beginning where we see how he loses his hearing because he's smashing his ear against the window I get stressed out I don't know I feel
1:00:38
the the visceral it's a good combination of editing sound effects from the movie crew like behind the scenes and then the
1:00:44
actor pounding his ear against that window it stresses me up well the damages do it your drug damage stresses
1:00:51
me out I don't know why should I mean at any time you screw with some of these
1:00:57
ears or eyes in a movie most people are gonna be uneasy because those are two senses that we all value a lot you know
1:01:06
what about you are you stressed out about losing your hearing I'm just like um the thought of like he's ramen is
1:01:14
that the side of his head against window and I'm just picturing like the pressure of the water like rushing into his ear
1:01:20
as he's jamming his head against the window like that like it's visceral like you said I can I can almost feel it I
1:01:26
got to take these earbuds out for a few minutes we won't talk about just yet if
1:01:34
we don't want to but the NCN of course when they when the crook the crooked cops shoot the gun next to his good ear
1:01:42
I get like oh my good and the Bloods coming out of his ear I'm just like yeah I watch like horror flicks i watch like
1:01:49
you know like blood doesn't gross me out almost enough when it's almost like a fantasy way this movie is so realistic
1:01:55
in some way so when that ear ears bleeding from the sound damage I'm just and he's and there's a ringing sound you
1:02:03
hear as a viewer and I have my stereo out loud this is high-pitched ringing he sees that you are barking
1:02:09
yeah and you're like you're like please pass this sequence because it's stressing me out you know for everything
1:02:15
all the gunshots like really muffled it's like you're hearing it through
1:02:21
through a lot of layers of sound proof you know it's not like you you hear a
1:02:27
gunshot I got out in the open it's like the report is shocking but with deaf
1:02:33
Freddy after they blew out his good ear it's like really like the low and muffled so Doug do you guys do that to
1:02:40
each other's cops on little pranks let's
1:02:48
blow for weapons no what's your favorite
1:02:56
what's your favorite cop bar hang out with the you go to is it the four aces no it's not the four aces it's no we
1:03:02
don't have none of our cups live in town
1:03:08
no there's no like we work in town but
1:03:14
we're everybody lives outside like I live 40 minutes from work so which one of your friends is sleeping with your
1:03:20
Chiefs wife can we talk about this movie
1:03:29
for a second finally there's so many
1:03:36
there are there are so many storylines this is like season one of the sub
1:03:43
series in a two-hour episode there's like storylines and backstories in a
1:03:49
dead cop that we never see alive and there's like this would have made a great 10 part series it would have but
1:03:58
at the same time it kind of showcases you know the great editing of this movie and either editing from a writing
1:04:05
standpoint or actual you know editing after they were done filming but you get just enough information to know what you
1:04:12
need to know you know it's there's no excess fat if you will you know it's
1:04:18
like you know that you know there's a you know somebody's cheating on somebody else you know like I said that
1:04:25
the fact that you get just a deep enough detail to fill in the blanks that you need to fill in to understand the story
1:04:31
and I think that's a really sort of undervalued tool in filmmaking nowadays
1:04:37
yeah and this is actually we talk about James Mangold he was the writer director of this movie kudos it was quite young I
1:04:43
think it was probably late 20s at the very or uh you know at the very latest so this is quite an ambitious project I
1:04:51
I think it could have I think it could have done with less a little bit less maybe a little bit less of the nobody's
1:04:57
sleeping with buddy's wife type things that I guess that's what I'm getting at there's so many side stories going on
1:05:03
that I kind of like even I after like seeing this is the five or six times I've seen this it took me a while to I
1:05:09
the only the one okay sorry when I watch this with my 20 year old son he this is
1:05:14
his first time seeing it so he saw it about the age that I saw it for the first time and he had a harder time
1:05:22
falling into four because he didn't know any of these actors he hasn't really seen any any of these actors and other
1:05:27
than Stallone he doesn't he doesn't know Janeiro he does it so he's just getting kind of getting into these movies now and so for me as knowing who everyone is
1:05:36
it was kind of easier for me to separate the phases to him they just look like a
1:05:41
bunch of moustache cops but to me but see we actually knew Robert Patrick from Ray Liotta from Peter Berg from so I
1:05:48
knew all the different the differences but so there's it's a busy movie so I'm saying so first time humor it's kind of
1:05:53
a busy movie especially they don't know who these actors are I don't think anything's wasted like that it's it's
1:06:00
very sure it's very like like kind of off like reference but Joey Peter Berg's
1:06:08
character Joey Rand Owen who's married to the girl who Freddie saved in the
1:06:14
river yeah so his character is sleeping with rape darlings wife ray Donnellan is
1:06:21
Harvey Keitel's character talk about a downgrade yeah no kidding did you see
1:06:27
Kathy Moriarty and Raging Bull though man run away you guys are going to you
1:06:36
I'm gonna believe this you've never seen Raging Bull that's true it's it's okay I know it's anyways I I
1:06:45
was hoping that I wouldn't have to say it but you said do you remember her in that movie I didn't want to lies oh yeah she was
1:06:51
fantastic she was gorgeous simply gorgeous i I didn't it's on my DVR right
1:06:57
now as you speak because I intend on watching and actually reviewing it for my show because I think it'd be interesting to see this movie that
1:07:03
everyone compares to Rocky you know like what is the better it seems to be that looks like the Saving Private Ryan
1:07:09
versus Thin Red Line argument which one's the better film so I already know Rocky's better film but I want to see
1:07:14
what the I want to see what their arguments are because I know and I love Scorsese and I love DeNiro but it's just one of those movies that came out when I
1:07:20
was five years old I just haven't seen it anyway sorry go on yeah I I will since we're confessing I'm gonna confess
1:07:26
that I've actually never seen higher learning I don't need quite the same level as
1:07:33
Raging Bull babalao what's the callbacks like an hour ago well I I felt since we were all being
1:07:39
honest at this point that I would confess well thank what about you Doug what's a
1:07:45
movie Doug that you're the high learn doesn't count it's a terrible example what's a movie that you think everyone thinks you see but you haven't seen
1:07:52
Rocky paddocks that would explain your
1:07:58
bow display your poor podcast last year covered rocky uh you know um Caddyshack
1:08:07
is one that every time I say I never seen Caddyshack everybody's like what and lo why I know I hear you anyways
1:08:17
what about you create what's one that you really have a heart Larry doesn't count because I think about ten people
1:08:23
might know what that is you know what I don't want to sound like a an elitist
1:08:28
snob here too late but you know what I've never actually seen Evil Dead 2
1:08:38
what are these examples all right yeah
1:08:47
well it's great it's basically Evil Dead part one done again that's what I've heard
1:08:53
it's true you're not missing much Bruce
1:08:59
Campbell his hand attacks him he has a fight with his hand there you
1:09:04
go beginning in the end sounds like when I was 12 years old okay so I want to I
1:09:12
want to go back to to the Joey randome thing so yeah the plot of him sleeping
1:09:19
with Ray's wife isn't wasted because when right decides that they're gonna
1:09:24
they're gonna waste marry because they have nothing else to do with him because
1:09:30
I have to produce a body yeah so the puzzle the politicians will get off their ass so Joey ran tone doesn't agree with that
1:09:37
he he's I'm not gonna help you so what happens is he's working he's in trouble
1:09:43
ray Donnellan turns his back and and Joey ends up dying right yeah so the
1:09:48
question the question is does he let Joey die because he's there he's not
1:09:54
gonna help them kill Mary or because he's sleeping with his wife like that's
1:10:00
the question you know she's like Harvey Cart ray Harvey Keitel's character didn't seem that concerned about him
1:10:06
making love to his wife I agree I agree Ryan it seemed completely driven by the fact
1:10:12
that he knew he wasn't on board you know with taking out Mary oh I know oh boy
1:10:20
all I know is that Harvey Keitel loves to watch people jump off bridges and buildings see he's dead he's right there
1:10:43
he's dead he's right there oh my god go to lunch everyone he jumped go to lunch
1:10:54
go to lunch separate them there's one scene in this
1:11:00
movie that I thought was really really good and one that I I don't think people talk
1:11:06
about very often but wouldn't ray liotta is talking to Heflin in the in the bar before he goes to races don't shut me
1:11:12
out ray yeah I guess he's referring to the fact that Ray Liotta helped cover up a previous like like ray Liotta's
1:11:20
character has been around since beginning and I guess he who didn't know about the Superboy shenanigans he was unaware of this which I found
1:11:26
interesting did explain why he was being shut out I think I think it had to do
1:11:32
with the Glen honey thing when Tony was was a fizzy's former
1:11:37
partner and kitchen they were four
1:11:43
different they refer to this guy Tony a lot yeah yeah but that was a murder that was a murder that Ray was talking about
1:11:49
well sort of like greatly also configs was talking about saying like I helped you cover up this murder of this cop and
1:11:55
now you're shutting me out of the Superboy shenanigans and pushing me out of the community I think am I wrong with
1:12:01
that you're not wrong about it I think
1:12:07
like they weren't pushing him out they just they weren't like letting him inside anymore because of his
1:12:14
relationship with this Tony guy this funny guy was arrested he they called him the chokehold cop so he used a
1:12:20
chokehold obviously killed somebody and he got indicted for that and this this blend Tony is this guy that we never
1:12:27
really see was Gary figgis's partner and then Ray Donnellan turned his back on
1:12:34
Glen Tony and Tony was gonna rat on ray and like the whole Lake like this whole
1:12:40
connection with the mob so what they did was Ray had Tony killed while he was in jail awaiting trial
1:12:46
okay so Figgis Gary Figgis he kind of started distancing himself because of
1:12:53
that because Tony was his buddy Tony was his partner okay so before that that's
1:13:00
good that's good explanation I didn't thank you I don't see this I mean this movie requires a little bit more view and I there's so much storyline and I'm
1:13:06
just not as smart as dogs he dug it's his job to be observant of all the details cuz he has to pick up all the
1:13:12
crime scene stuff and so he's fallen this part like it's well this was based on a true story I think this is one of
1:13:19
I just I really love this I genuinely love this movie no that's good that's good so there was
1:13:25
a scene right before though when raised when Figgis is talking to Heflin Stallone's character and he's saying
1:13:32
aren't you jealous aren't you jealous of these guys and as a really aunt and Sharaf heflin's like I'm a jealous I I'm
1:13:39
happy to who I am you can see that he's not she'll be sad he's sad that his life is where it is he sacrificed his hearing
1:13:44
which affected him being a you know being a police officer which we figure he probably have been a good one an honorable one
1:13:51
and he actually calls right you know he calls still owns character out he goes know you've lost your hearing you lost
1:13:56
the girl you lost your dream job you should be jealous and it's an interesting you know like really owes
1:14:03
characters not wrong is maybe in life it's okay not to be jealous is the right word but sometimes life sucks sometimes
1:14:09
it does deal you a bad hand it's okay to say you know what I've been dealt a bad hand and maybe that could help you he'll get over because I think Heflin he has a
1:14:16
shuffle in that and that walk that he does throughout the movie where it almost represents just like Eeyore type
1:14:22
from you know Winnie the Pooh a or you know as all world was me and he it's not too late in the movie that he snaps out
1:14:28
of it it becomes a potential like you know goes the distance with Creed I
1:14:34
don't like that scene because it's like complete just exposition for the audience when he's like maybe that's why
1:14:41
I liked it thinks he lays everything out like you saved her life you go deaf as a result you watch she
1:14:47
marries this [ __ ] and you can't get it that's kind of force there you go everybody that's all that's the background on hey Freddy told you I like
1:14:55
I need that kind of exposition man like I'm not you know like I got lost in the
1:15:00
shuffle this is a repeat viewing movie for me I need a wash it again cuz I I that I I appreciated that little
1:15:06
send-off so yeah that's where we are Doug's got a point you know those are
1:15:12
conversations that only happen in the movies of course sure Freddy knows what
1:15:18
happened he doesn't need Gary figures to tell him don't shut me out Doug don't shut me out
1:15:25
ray but I mean not to circle back to how great
1:15:30
Ray Liotta is in this movie but I think you just hit on the point of what a great character figgis's - and the scene
1:15:38
at towards the end when he he referenced his Freddie taking them head-on and he
1:15:44
explains to Freddie how you need to approach guys like this you know what you've got to make right turns and
1:15:50
you've gotta what move diagon's yeah um go down way to get to Broadway biggie
1:15:56
it's a one of the great great sort of you know speeches in this movie and I
1:16:02
think that that is another aspect of the character that makes that performance
1:16:07
work so well at least as you know he's a guy that's very aware he might not have always made the right you know taking
1:16:16
the right steps in his life but he knows how everything pieces together
1:16:22
he knows the steps you're supposed to take even if he didn't take them himself you can huddle like that guy's a good
1:16:28
cop yeah he's a good cop but he'd lost his way somewhere yeah yeah yeah good point
1:16:36
yeah he lost his way he got his two hundred thousand dollars for lighting his house on fire killed the result was
1:16:41
only a hundred ninety-eight thousand I I he rounded up imagine if he told sheriff
1:16:51
Heflin he's like you know I've got a hundred and ninety thousand five hundred and sixty-five dollars in my bank right now 198,000 is two hundred and canadian
1:17:01
money maybe that's why uh yeah Ryan thanks there you go alright so that was
1:17:06
the that we have that domestic dispute with Peter Berg's character and Annabelle score uh
1:17:12
whatever her name is so Doug talk to us about domestic disputes what would you
1:17:18
do in this situation right now the husband's sitting on the sitting on the step the wife has locked the door but
1:17:24
then she opens had already busted down do you go after him well the problem is he's showing signs of of violence
1:17:32
meaning like as a victim he's bleeding from the head right so at this point you're thinking he might be the victim
1:17:38
then he kicks the door in yeah all right maybe she bashed him in self-defense but then she goes at him with a bottle so I
1:17:49
mean in that case he kind of got to take her in take her in and you have to you
1:17:57
have to offer him the opportunity to apply for an emergency restraining order against his wife this is the scene where
1:18:03
Heflin offers her hey you want to come to my house and sleep on my bed I mean
1:18:10
well he said to put her up at a hotel I'm just joking there's yeah I mean you
1:18:15
mentioned before about like some unnecessary scenes and I think the Lizz
1:18:24
Lizz ran down and Freddie stuff like
1:18:29
where they almost kiss and everything like that's that that can we can do it out that we can do without her scenes
1:18:36
not hurt completely but like when later on when she goes to Freddie's house and
1:18:41
and springsteen well well and and that's kind of what I was you know getting to
1:18:47
before with she comes out of this movie is a pretty unlikable character because it really feels like such a shock she
1:18:55
uses Freddie when she needs him and and and in that scene where she goes to the
1:19:01
house she needed a boost yeah so she used Freddie to get that boost was Joey
1:19:06
even dead at that point I don't think so right no no wasn't no you had a terrible
1:19:13
terrible scene yeah that's true true yeah yeah they did that weird like kiss
1:19:18
say he kind of put his his big head against her cheek or whatever yeah that's the way it's aimed you can't even
1:19:25
tell well they kissed a little bit and then she just goes this is crazy and then she
1:19:31
walks out like all right he's like no
1:19:37
yeah did he have the cleanest but Springsteen vinyl known to man there wasn't one top four in that in that
1:19:46
soundtrack and she referenced as he's playing an album I loved how they played Springsteen
1:19:52
though I was pretty good imagine they filmed us in Canada they would have put on Nickelback I thought you were gonna
1:19:59
say no young man they put us up
1:20:05
Nickelback ballad during this scene because it's filmed in Ontario I wish I
1:20:11
had the time and the talent to do a music replacement for those seats here
1:20:17
at Copland I just wish I had some sort of talent we might get some Watchers or listeners I'm bringing you guys down I
1:20:22
apologize alright so I've got some
1:20:28
comments here we'll just speak to them real quick as these guys are chiming in thanks guys hey for everyone listen to our show right now can you like this
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1:20:40
make sure you like it hey I just want to address Matt that that was Greg's dog biting Craig on the table not me oh
1:20:47
there you go Andy wants it wasin oh are you outside Doug there the listeners
1:20:52
want to know are you outside yeah well my back deck it's a beautiful night here in New Jersey wow yeah I'm enjoying nice fall weather
1:20:59
must be nice living in Copland the
1:21:05
streets are safe you know you'd have to worry about any oh you have to watch
1:21:15
this I am NOT being rate this movie is racist there's no black people in Copland and they filmed the scene to
1:21:21
show you why they didn't even want these people playing their music on their Street they got arrested for playing
1:21:27
music it was a Bruce Springsteen day in
1:21:34
New Jersey you're fine you play Bruce you're good oh my gosh have you ever
1:21:40
have you ever been offered a bribe no never Bruce Springsteen tickets nothing nope no I had an experience here
1:21:51
where somebody thought I was soliciting a bribe oh you're asking for a bribe
1:21:58
yeah well it's funny like I guess you know I work in an industry where you get a lot of
1:22:05
people coming from out of town I mean that's Vegas is driven by travelers you're come so I was explaining a fee to
1:22:12
somebody and the way I worded it he kind
1:22:17
of got like an old Las Vegas vibe where he thought like this was the payoff he had to give me in order for this thing
1:22:24
to happen and it was pretty funny when I realized that the way I worded it
1:22:29
made the guy think I was soliciting and pay off nobody as beautiful
1:22:36
all right um we got read Tyler here yeah right Tyler just pooped apparently he
1:22:43
wants us to shout out his girlfriend Kim Duggal hey Kim is that a joke I'm
1:22:49
rolling with it it will read takes root
1:22:55
he just pooped because I pooped just now lol is he laughing at the funny poop or
1:23:03
it's funny the web poop well he's
1:23:09
getting more airtime than anybody else though read welcome to the show
1:23:15
I'm glad that we make you regular I hope you'll continue to be a regular listener
1:23:22
alright let's talk about we talk about the go to lunch scene already launched
1:23:29
if there's a pretty interest in scene here to where Heflin says to ray yeah
1:23:36
ray and sorry I keep see ray liotta Figgis yeah Figgis and Heflin they're
1:23:44
like living together now because his house burnt down and Figgis is hanging out at a sheriff heflin's house and
1:23:52
sheriff Heflin says you know if I saw her today in the river again drowning I wouldn't go get her I wouldn't I'm not a
1:23:58
hero anymore it's basically saying [ __ ] hmm III didn't take it to mean that Ryan and maybe it's because of my
1:24:06
you know my sort of take on her as a character is it felt to me like he he's
1:24:12
been used and I think he sort of resented the fact that
1:24:17
he was where he was but that he was also not really a driver and more if somebody
1:24:24
that was being sort of abused and and held down i I really dig the fact that
1:24:31
we have such different interpretations of that of that scene yeah yeah I I
1:24:38
think I think he kind of meant it I think he's just saying that he's the coward now he's not he's not who he
1:24:43
isn't who he thought he was anymore like he maybe isn't maybe the moment he feels like he's just not the hero that
1:24:50
everyone thinks he should be I mean that that does sort of speak to what he ends
1:24:55
up doing in the movie so they had some credence to that what is Doug well uh
1:25:00
Brett Tyler his girlfriend thinks Doug is good-looking that's what the big deal is here he says he went to high school
1:25:09
one of you he says he what the high school is one of us it must be you is Tyler a troll no he says uh he says my
1:25:17
girlfriend says she loves the Duggal was your Google and he's he's me no
1:25:26
cryptically I think that's Dave Mustang on his Facebook his pitcher profile so
1:25:34
they're there what they're watching our episode but they're about to make love to each other I guess during their that's why hey whatever we do to help
1:25:41
you guys over here for you guys anyways Oh
1:25:49
Method Man was in this movie you guys catch that yeah he's the one that that uh froze Peter Berger off the roof right
1:25:57
what a funny cast crazy cast I mean you got Method Man you got the guy for King of Queens the black actor for King of
1:26:03
Queens you've got Peter Berg who's actually a very established director and me gives James mangle the run for his
1:26:09
money when it comes to movies nowadays lone survivor was directed by Peter Berg he also did battleship which is a badass
1:26:16
movie and I'll fight anybody who says it is it alright I'll commit I never wanna feel
1:26:28
the rage for what yeah battleship well you know we keep
1:26:37
referencing Robert DeNiro but we I don't think we've ever explained what his role in this movie is who's that to anybody
1:26:45
who doesn't Ernie no Robert De Niro well he's he's a he's a the cop of cops right
1:26:50
he's IAD he's the internal affairs the internal affairs investigator
1:26:56
he's as the rest of the cops call him a rat because internal affairs cops all
1:27:02
they do is [ __ ] other cops okay you're a cop right Doug have we established this yet throughout the services I think so I
1:27:07
think it's been well established what is the official word on the street when it comes to because they play this in
1:27:12
movies all the time that ia and then and then Harvey Keitel's character says you know you know how they become ia they
1:27:19
were caught doing something bad and then they they're now ia is there any truth to ia and do cops truly hate them go
1:27:25
know that the only cops that have anything against ia are the cups that
1:27:30
are doing something wrong in the first place so how do you feel I don't care
1:27:36
about I because they don't investigate me because I told the line I do what I'm supposed to do all the guys that I know
1:27:43
like that it's like the whole ia thing is just built up in movies it's not a real it's not real the hatred is it yeah
1:27:51
it's not real I appreciate you answering that cuz I think our listeners want to know that they wanna know the truth I
1:27:57
don't think they do their to do right now you don't wanna know for me
1:28:03
of course he do I think right I was drunk we ran ignore him we love you brother but I don't know what the
1:28:09
accurate re he oh he's he just says he does acid he wants you to come arrest them I do cop what do you think about
1:28:16
that he's going he's leaving he's he's
1:28:23
found as a dress he's Google this guy's off to get him you know who he is do you
1:28:35
know who he is no idea but I love the guy right the third period with one of
1:28:43
us Oh anyways right I'll do everything he wants the plug I sought about three
1:28:53
different jokes I can't say them okay here we go
1:29:00
so Stallone goes to or Freddie goes to see once once he decides that all right
1:29:05
is this big signal right here Copland but before the big scene he go he goes
1:29:12
back to New York to talk to Moe Tilden who's Robert De Niro's character right but giving him a chance to be a cop yeah
1:29:21
when you're right he um Freddie already admitted that he was blind to what was going on so he goes to
1:29:28
New York to see Moe Tilden and he's like alright I'm ready to do this and and
1:29:33
Robert De Niro / mol Tilden ain't havin it he's like well cases closed what you
1:29:38
want me to do right thing my hands are tied my hands are tied you know have you ever
1:29:54
used clean s is a napkin it does make for it's the worst welcome to the great
1:30:27
the great thing about that scene is you see the gears going in in in De Niro's
1:30:34
head realizing that this is an opportunity to get traction going for
1:30:40
his case again and he knows that he's gonna be able to use Freddie like everybody else is used Freddie which
1:30:47
makes Freddie even more of a like a tragic character yeah I mean it's a risky game though
1:30:55
because like he's saying you know I gave it a chance you blew it it's over it's over so Freddie can very well just walk
1:31:02
out of the office and and that's that but he's gambling I'm Freddie doing the
1:31:07
right thing and um I mean you know god bless all of us our pal Stallone steps
1:31:14
up well what's what's the line when he leaves he says if that cupcake makes a mess we've got a we got a case again
1:31:20
yeah yeah oh that was what it was okay here's my little story so I I I went to
1:31:28
go on my on-demand cable server to get on demand car plan it didn't have it on on-demand I'm like you got to be kidding
1:31:35
me I think I was gonna pay five bucks get it on even the specialist was available on on-demand then I went to Amazon Amazon didn't have
1:31:42
it for rent and Canada and then and then so I said okay fine I'll just buy the
1:31:47
DVD cuz of like if I spend five bucks on the DVD for eight bucks blu-ray in Canada $1.00 Canadian so that's like six
1:31:55
dollars u.s. so Michael sure why not why don't I just I'll own it and it got here Wednesday now my house I've got a lot of
1:32:02
kids in my house and I often watch movies with captions so I got that very loud so I can do I just watch with
1:32:08
captions I got the one movie in blu-ray history that has zero features it
1:32:17
doesn't even have a menu you put the blu-ray in and it is no menu no captions
1:32:25
nothing so if you were a deaf person they bought this blu-ray you'd be like poop out of luck so anyway it's long
1:32:31
story short there was there was times during this movie because I couldn't have a two lives that kids running around I was like what did he say there
1:32:37
because I'm relying on what they're saying that was actually one of the things was I said what do you say we left there I knew he was referred to if
1:32:42
he stirs up trouble we'll get something out of this guy but he said cupcake all right it was his frustration that was a long
1:32:49
walk for that long well as part of my story that I you know I don't pirate things you know I don't like the pirate
1:32:54
things I like to buy it and I'm surprising on this yet anyways so long story short I'm able to the order from
1:33:00
the US I'm getting the director's cut blu-ray is gonna be here later but too late now
1:33:06
I'll own it though but I'll own the director's cut surely it's on you Doug
1:33:13
the cameras on you I'm just gonna point to who's next you go well um so Freddie
1:33:19
goes back and he ends up finding Murray he digs a little bit and he finds Murray
1:33:25
babitch hiding after they try to kill him after a rye and his boys tried to kill him he finds Murray hiding out in
1:33:33
the water tower right well good thing they had that above-ground pool that they could have attempted to drown a baby because they would have had to get
1:33:40
him to a bathroom into a bathtub instead right why was it so hard to kill him why
1:33:46
don't they just like why don't you needed to have water in his lungs right oh they didn't spell it out for me so I
1:33:54
needed another synopsis we got to drown him in the pool because yes have blood is you know water in his lungs that's
1:34:01
what I needed yeah chlorinated water which tunnel it
1:34:06
was rainwater okay so he slips he slips
1:34:11
he slips the jab runs away and let's get to the final let's get to the final
1:34:17
gunfight here let's just get to the bee's knees at this last scene okay so so the bee's knees
1:34:23
starts with Freddie going back to the bar right Helen ray he goes I got Superboy
1:34:29
I'm gonna turn him in tomorrow and he's like why don't you do the right thing come with me
1:34:34
we'll all go together kumbaya you know you'll cop to your [ __ ] and Mariel cop
1:34:39
to his and everything will be fine right right and then ray gives this this
1:34:45
beautiful this harvey keitel speech great this film too by the way your plan
1:34:51
is the plan of a boy on the back of a matchbook without thinking look at the
1:34:59
cards in other words don't shut me out
1:35:04
Heflin Ray's not going he's like sure
1:35:11
sure yeah six o'clock tomorrow I'll be there but what happens is Freddie gets ambushed they take Superboy they blow out
1:35:17
Freddie's good ear so we hear that like it's like the constant feedback now yeah he's he's
1:35:25
bleeding through from his ear like everything else for the rest of the movie everything's in slow motion the
1:35:30
shoe it's a very effective scene because we were feeling stressed out as a viewer for his safety we're feeling the danger
1:35:38
that it's around the corner for him uh you know he can't hear anything he doesn't know where guys are if they're
1:35:44
alive or dead if they're moving around and then he shoots shoots uh the one guy
1:35:49
in the car and then he shoots the t1000 not for that and then he's got he's got
1:35:56
the best best Defty scene in the movie right yeah the look on his face when he
1:36:01
gets shot and falls back is like he's he can't believe that Freddie heflin's the
1:36:06
guy that took his life that's awesome and uh and then we half was about to get
1:36:13
shot by another guy and Ray Liotta comes out of nowhere yeah the biggest hero
1:36:18
moment well he does get shot by that guy he gets it felt like in the back of his shoulder yeah and then he's ready like
1:36:24
he's ready to finish him off and then yeah the hero Ray Liotta comes out of nowhere and blows him away mama he's got
1:36:30
a smoke in his mouth yeah yeah but he right after he kills that guy he sees he
1:36:38
sees ray in like the picture window of his house yeah like you know like gives me the death stare before he brings his
1:36:43
gun ah yeah blows out the front window great stuff so that window just goes
1:36:49
then ray goes up there to finish him off and it's always a weird scene must been
1:36:54
with first thing in the morning is that his wife still lying in bed yeah super boys about to jump out another window
1:37:00
boy he what jumps off bridges jumps out of houses what's yeah yeah yeah well he
1:37:06
mean you know it's it's either die by race hand or die by jumping out of a second-floor window and he was
1:37:12
handcuffed too wasn't he I don't think that know he had a handcuff on he must
1:37:20
have been sleeping with his wife too
1:37:27
baby harvey keitel Ray Ray maybe he was a cuckold
1:37:35
you like to watch all his car friends make love to his wife the whole story
1:37:43
[Laughter] maybe that's what dear was saying I love
1:37:56
about it so when Ray comes he sneaks in behind Freddie and then figs shoots a
1:38:04
tray which like just a little cry you're right over there that's what this thing
1:38:20
is they're all cuckold and heifer that
1:38:26
was never invited to the party he never forgot to put his key in the bowl no because he doesn't have a partner in
1:38:32
the swab that's right all right easy
1:38:37
that's true so what's really odd his girl died he had to leave town because he had no one to swap with 200 all right
1:38:48
well we've reached the end finish up
1:38:53
like when uh so so ray ends up shipping no not ray Freddie ends up shooting ray and Ray as
1:38:59
he as he falls he's dying on top of his NYPD uniform did you notice that very
1:39:07
important you see the the NYPD patch right by his head and he's saying a lot
1:39:12
of stuff that probably isn't appropriate for this podcast because right if you
1:39:17
can read lips he's saying much profanity right he's actually saying he's saying
1:39:22
that Fred you were next you were next in volume with my wife as I can't hear you
1:39:32
ready yeah that's great and then of
1:39:37
course he brings him in a Liotta look II just looking horrible like Sloane's character is covered in blood
1:39:44
and he still looks better than Rayleigh on he looks
1:39:52
horrible in this movie I don't know was it did was that the makeup people apply makeup are not giving him any makeup
1:40:00
I think Liotta himself was on a three-day coke bender I know whole filming it's seven years
1:40:06
after Goodfellas he hasn't recovered from his method acting yeah if you haven't listened to it yet he was on
1:40:13
Marc Maron's podcast uh within the last couple months and great episode a lot of
1:40:21
insight into uh into Ray Liotta and what and what made him the the actor he is today cool in fact speaking of Michael
1:40:28
Rapaport he has a podcast and Robert Patrick was on it recently as well and I
1:40:33
couldn't find him I'm gonna look for it again and they talked specifically about cop on throw that episode so over five
1:40:40
listeners when you're done with this one go find that one you probably probably be better but watch ours first because
1:40:45
you know Michael is a professional we're just ham and Egger so what do you guys
1:40:50
give this movie do you out of ten out of five oh honey wonder this you give it
1:40:57
stars I don't know like how do you rate this in the Canon of homes I I think it
1:41:04
was best okay take away rocky and Rambo is there a better film that he's done I would say
1:41:13
no I love this film there are certain people that might argue night Hawks could give this movie a run for its
1:41:20
money in terms of what slide delivers but I I think if you take rocky and Rambo out of the equation it's really
1:41:28
hard not to have Copland sit right at the top and then right underneath it
1:41:33
ants and spy kids 3d game over what about Russian Clank where do ya it's
1:41:42
tough its top three i I don't know which order I put them in right now but I like
1:41:47
non rot rocky Rambo you're looking at top three for me or like not in this order but cliffhanger lock up and
1:41:54
Copland those are movies where you're just like and I really want to talk about lockup I don't know which one
1:41:59
talk about next but maybe I'll throw a lock up in the mix for my vote for well
1:42:05
have the audience I knew Coppola was gonna win but for the record how dare you who who was at the
1:42:10
puttin a cop on again mr. Doug okay Doug I put in what did I put in Assassin's
1:42:16
you put a Get Carter and there Craig like that was the vein I was going for
1:42:21
Doug I would have put in his best movie ever put any parameters on it we can't
1:42:30
do lock up next cuz we can't do two Stallone movies that take place in New Jersey back-to-back okay I'll think of
1:42:37
another one I might put assassins back in the mix maybe four tents and tents of listeners let's uh let's get assassins
1:42:44
going but yeah well be fun um so let's
1:42:49
just close up the show I'll just remind everyone I'm Brian and if you want to listen to me on my other podcast it's
1:42:55
all about the rocky series is called going the distance the rocky series podcast if you want to listen to me
1:43:01
there check check me out and I do that with my brother and I and I Doug and Craig have been on it the Craig have
1:43:07
yeah you've been on it so I always love these guys and the reason why we're doing this is because I think we just like each other I think we get along on
1:43:14
the podcast world and I think it's fun just to connect in a way that doesn't step on each other's toes really and we
1:43:20
can still just you know what you can ever talk about any movie more than too much is what I mean it's like yeah we
1:43:26
could talk about coplann or lock up on our other shows as well you can never talk about it too much Doug wanting to tell the audience who
1:43:33
you are I'm Doug I'm a co-host of Rocky minute where similar to Ryan but we take
1:43:41
a different approach we break down the rocky minutes one minute of movie time at a time for each episode so I mean the
1:43:49
first our first season we're recovered the movie Rocky was 118 individual episodes so it's awesome
1:43:56
we're gears start rocky - so um dueling genre calm is where we release our episodes they're right on and I'm Craig
1:44:04
from the sly cast and we may not put out episodes with as much frequency as as
1:44:09
Ryan and Doug they're just better but there is uh what I think 25 episodes
1:44:18
now including our crossover episode with which was the first episode of this podcast where we covered the specialist
1:44:25
but sly cast we examine Sylvester Stallone's career from his very early
1:44:30
days in sequential order up until you know his present-day work and our next
1:44:37
episode whenever that is we'll be covering the classic Judge Dredd hey-oh
1:44:43
just run yeah boy yeah Ryan's excited
1:44:50
yeah oh yeah I love I love to hear your discussion on that maybe down the road when the left time is passed we can
1:44:56
cover that as a trio ourselves cuz I'd be a fun one to talk with you guys as well funds one word yeah all right well
1:45:04
thanks guys as always it's an awesome pleasure to to talk with you guys and I hope our listeners enjoy it as much as
1:45:10
we did doing it and I want to apologize for the confusion next time we do this in October we're trying to this once a
1:45:16
month I will make sure that it goes through the proper semester salome podcast network I should have said that
1:45:22
for listeners the channel on youtube is called the semester Stallone podcast
1:45:28
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1:45:33
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1:45:46
the past hour and 45 minutes people have been staring at that screen waiting for us to go live I know the people
1:45:54
thousands yeah I didn't verify the account on time it's a new account and I panicked so that's why we're going
1:46:00
through this channel but it'll be all ready to go next time alright guys well you know what Ryan also we just hit the
1:46:06
hour 45 minute mark so if somebody's gonna listen back to this they can watch along to Copland and have us talk about
1:46:13
things completely unrelated is what they're seeing on the screen but it'll be fun and the movie would be over when
1:46:20
we're done that's awesome live commentary awesome love it you blew it