Sylvester Stallone and His Friends' Films Podcast

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it's another side that like wants to take more and wants to go that one more
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round because like going in one more round when you don't think you
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can that's what makes all the difference in your life you know what I mean
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this is one more round the rocky series podcast but I'm glad you're safe from eador oh Kyle just Kyle just joined us
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that was quicker than we thought okay Kyle's coming in late sorry guys no we just started thinking well you know why
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don't we just read the emails and stuff while we're waiting for you but you're here how are you I'm doing well how are
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you guys good I've got my coffee I told Ryan before we started recording that I'm Ecuador has the best coffee so I'm
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drinking the coffee I brought back it's so good nice yeah more importantly we're we're happy to have your mic your proper
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mic and I'm just I was using Kim's think pad that her work issues so was like the
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worst laptop too sorry hey The Show Must Go On we did it we pulled through and we
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lost you know we lost 10 listeners but other than that it was fine anyways yeah I'm really excited to
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do today's episode we got some big scenes coming up so let's just kind of rock and roll and get into it but I mean
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before we get into the scenes let's get into the email that you have we have one email there Katie we do hey Ryan Katie
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and Kyle I'm an oldtime Rocky series podcast listener and I'm loving the fresh take on the films with one more
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round I'm currently listening to episode 3 right now and wanted to chime in on some other Rocky filming locations in
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the Los Angeles area that I've noticed in other movies the interior of Main Street Gym shows up in the 1972 Fred
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Williamson black sploitation classic Hammer gym scenes where some of the
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boxers are training and sparring are no doubt the interior of Mighty mix second
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example Rocky's mansion from Rocky 4 shows up in the 1979 Linda Blair roller
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skating movie roller Boogie you can see the exterior and interior of the house a few times including the dining room same
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chairs even a couple more Rocky locations also show up in the 1985 films
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Breakin and Breakin 2 Electric bugaloo mansion that Kelly Special K lives in in
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which ozone and turbo come over for dinner in the first movie again shows the Interiors of Rocky's mansion from
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Rocky 4 right inside the front door staircase dining room the Mansion also shows up in breakin two as well now
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speaking of Breakin 2 if you're not familiar with the plot it revolves around a community youth center and I'm
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99% sure that one of the Interiors of the youth center is the location where Rocky first fought Spider Rico it looks
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a little different than when p in Rocky several coats of paint and better lighting Etc but the architecture and
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placement of a boxing ring is pretty unmistakable anyway I'm enjoying the new podcast and look forward to what else
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you've got in store along the way cheers Bob oor what a cool email I have never
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seen any of those movies but that's cool I like it I've seen both breaking movies
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are you kidding me come on are they wrestling movies boxing what I don't how dare you they're break dancing movies
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you know the you know the movie you know step it up or step up or whatever the cheerleading dance movies that The Bring
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it on Bring It On yeah it's like that it's but it's break dancing 385 or 82 84
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it's like anyways I saw break into two electric Boo in the theaters there was a big bre dancing culture once upon a time
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huh yeah that's cool so thank you so much Mr oror he also sent links to the
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YouTube examples of course we can't show that on a audio podcast but what I might do if I'm bored and have free time which
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is very rare that I'm either or bored or at free time I might piece together it'
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be kind of fun to do to show cuz the video was pretty cool like it's very obvious of the sets that he was talking
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about he's actually very right but I could piece together like here's a shot of the Rocky film here's the electric
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boo Lulu film you know show the exposition between it goes without saying that many houses or locations of
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course are used in different films like I believe people have houses that are legitimately like rented out or almost
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bought out by movie studios like people own the home it's like a a movie will rent it out to do a filming of it or
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whatever because this does happen in Hollywood is what I'm saying the real H like location scouting these homes are used for more than obviously more than
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one film that's a good cat so thank you okay so if you want to send us an email Katie what is our email it is one more
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round Rocky podcast gmail.com all right and also if you want to join our Discord please join our
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Discord and watch us live as we record you don't have to wait for the edit you get to watch all the stupid stuff that
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gets edited out we right now we have Louise and Donald our faithful Discord listeners checking us out hola hola and
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these shows also come on YouTube audio some people actually listen to the show on YouTube which is weird and one weird
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guy goes by the YouTube name of Centric views that's the name of his channel so when he comments or when he or she
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comments on our YouTube page that's the name entric views so shout out to them
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he actually has Rocky stuff on his channel which I'm going to share uh at some point on Twitter it's actually really cool but he actually had a
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comment about her nft episode he said regarding the nfts he says yeah already
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forgot about that he goes yeah I think Sly doesn't quite understand how silly it makes him look he probably thinks
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they this cool new thing he needs to get involved with he goes on to say that I don't think it would be about money for
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him it's just about looking cool and stay staying relevant that's a good point it's hard
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to say sly was complaining earlier about like the rights of the movie or
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something like that where he was missing out on like a ton of money I'm like well you have a ton of
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money already like probably more money than any reasonal person can spend I do Investments for people for some really
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rich people just cuz you have a lot of money does doesn't mean you don't want more money sure there's a c a certain
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something about making money I'm saying that's a possibility I don't actually know so I could just be doing it to seem
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relevant or I think our hypothesis in the last episode was that his manager or
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whoever advisor whatever convinced him that hey this is this is something you could do this is the new thing this is a
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good idea and he kind of just went for it yes the guy that runs that SCE shop it's like this close to being the
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spokesperson of XYZ company like hair loss for men celebrities it's so clear
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when they're totally just whing themselves out for product all right well that is it for emails and comments
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on our YouTube page also I did want to say I showed my sister-in-law she came to visit for a week that's my wife's
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sister she came to visit us for the week I was just kind of bored I'm like have you seen Rocky she's 36 and she's like
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funny enough she says yes uh her dad so my father-in-law in her just watched watched the first Rocky a couple weeks
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ago for the first time both of them what and they actually said we did in honor of you and we just forgot to tell you
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like I can't believe you didn't tell me I said well did you like it she yeah we loved it you know I was the typical
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response that a 36y old woman today would have who's never seen Rocky would say you know I funny enough it's more of
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a love story than I thought it'd be and all the things that we know about the film so she loved the Love Story the
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relationship of Adrian and Rocky so I said do you want to watch Rocky too she goes yeah i' would love to I wish I could have filmed you know her reactions
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to the final fight and all that stuff she loved it and she wants to watch all the rocky films now so we got a new
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Rocky fan my sister-in-law so I guess I'll keep I'll keep my wife as a family because they like the rocky films but I
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wanted to say something really quick here watching Rocky 2 again for the eenth time and I thought do I save this
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for our Rocky 2 season 2 discussion and maybe I'll bring it up again because we might have listeners that don't listen
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to this episode listen to those it's just the way it goes with podcast listeners so I'll say it I had the captions on it was the Blu-ray
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the part where Apollo was yeah punching his sparing Partners you know when he says oh just get me another one when
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he's just laying out and you hear though the audio Apollo Apollo Apollo you hear
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the crowd chanting his name it's in the audio now we're led to believe this is
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how I felt we're led to believe that it's in Apollo's head oh I didn't think that what did you think I thought they
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just had a recording of it to like psych him up okay I guess I'm alone send us an email let me know if I'm crazy or not
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cuz the reason why I'm bringing this up Kyle's actually in the camp of the caption writer the caption said tape
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cassette audio of the chant so or like a recording chant or whatever it was so it
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labeled that yes Kyle you're right it said that yeah Apollo is hearing the crowd chant his name as he
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sparing which I think is almost more insane I think that's yeah I get it I
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get he's psyching himself up but the idea that he's so in the gym he's laying out sparring partners and there's an
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audio of a repetitive chant of his name to psych him up I thought it was in his
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head psyching him up but I guess he legitimately had Tony hey Tony put on the boom box and hit play on the crowd
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chanting my name on repeat I'll have to give it another listen or another when we get to that I thought it was in
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Apollo's head I thought it was to Susy himself up but it was Kyle you're right that's what the Blu-ray people thought too is that this was a physical thing
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happening in the gym well Ryan they're not always is right you could be correct
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I could be but I thought that was insane but Kyle's like right away said that so that's interesting I wonder what the
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camp of Rocky fandom is is it is it a real recording I think it just makes more sense that it's in his head I can't
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believe they actually set this thing up you know Paul's crew set up this taper recorder that hit play on this chant to
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me it showed like how kind of pampered he was like he had his palacial gym and
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this recording and he could just go through sparring partners like they're nothing and kind of feeds into The
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Narrative of the third film that he wasn't connected to his roots and he got
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soft in a sense uh Lis agrees with you there Kyle that the sound was audible
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Paul literally heard it so there you go wow okay maybe I'm just I don't know it's weird that I thought I was always
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uh in his head Ryan that that's very to me that's very outside the box like kind of artistic type of thinking I almost to
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a fault a more linear thinker a more literal thinker and I miss a lot of in
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films like that if there's some kind of artistic Liberty that's taken I don't
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catch it like I don't know maybe Asbergers or
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something I think it's cool that you thought that oh thanks we got more comments here Donald also said I think
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it's a real recording all right fair enough and last thing I caught this too again the reason why I wanted to bring
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up cuz I didn't want to forget when we did the recording cuz it's going to be you know a few months from now when we get to season 2 so I didn't want to
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forget when Rocky's talking to Gazo when he's sleeping in the gym you know Gaza comes in to visit Rocky in the gym he
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goes you know you're telling you know you don't belong doing this you you come work for me at the Docks right and Rocky
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says now he says the words I don't do that stuff no more okay you remember this when he says he doesn't want to
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break thumbs anymore and what have you he points to himself but I didn't catch
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it he actually holds the crucifix in his hand he holds the crucifix in his hand saying I don't do this stuff anymore
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because I found God recently and it's interesting because throughout all of Rocky 2 he's wearing that
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crucifix outside of his shirt through the whole movie and he never did that the charact he never wore cross in Rocky
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part one he gets married we see this crucifix is prominent throughout the even my sister-in-law so goes yeah yeah
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the cross he's wearing that cross outside his shirt the whole movie it's a very conscious Choice by Sly to wear so
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this is a question again I have for listeners did Sly the you know the actor F God between Rocky one and Rocky 2 is
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it just a character thing because he also in the movie he talks um he goes to Father Carmine he obv gets married in
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the chapel oh yeah when he uh when uh Adrian comes out the coma he he mumbles thank you God uh he prays in the chapel
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there's so much religious overture in part two that I guess we've always known was there but when I counted all the
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different moments that there was prayer going to God searching God and then he
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held his crucifix talking to goel I don't do this that's not me anymore he holds his crucifix
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he makes a note of holding that showing that Goda I found God now that is not at
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all how I took it but you're bringing up some really good points I always took it
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as I'm a family man now I did too until this viewing when he actually held the
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crucifix when he said that that was the clue he grabbed the crucifix saying
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that's not me anymore the I thought he was pointing himself but no he's holding the jewelry I mean it might have been
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purposeful or or you know he's a fidgety he's fidgety he's always got to be but yeah you did bring up a number of
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scenarios the priest thing the I mean obviously they got married his wife's in a situation where even a non-religious
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person would pray the Italian priest thing see just seems like oh of course every Everybody in the neighborhood
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probably has a couple of priests that they know well you know but of all the rocky fils of all the rocky films it's the most religious it has the most
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religious overtures and I'm just curious again to our listeners let us know in an email or comments on our YouTube channel
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and my off my rocker just same about the audio thing like it just seems like Rocky is makes it clear as a character
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and or Sly as an actor because we know he infuses his real life into these films did he at this point find God
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again in his life who knows it' be interesting okay oh I was just going to say isn't that awesome that I mean how
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many times have you seen these movies and you're still noticing and posing new
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questions so that's great awesome this podcast is the last round we should call it one more and Final
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round we're not going to go through the series a third time that'd be hilarious one more and the final round maybe we
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should have retitle that we'll be like the rocky films we'll be like them where it's like this is the last one
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good another series how I'm officially retired okay
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there we go let's go into the films the last time we left is when Rocky said I should have broke your thumbs and Bill kti plays that wonderful score over
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Rocky walking away now we got this Great Exchange that's going to happen between Mike and Rocky before Rocky enters
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Mighty Mix Hey Rock heard you did real good last time absolutely should have seen me
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don't you think you ought to take a rest no my back is hurt your back my back is hurt you're deaf I'm
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sure okay first what I like is Mike actually mentions I heard you did real good so I
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guess there has been some scuttlebutt in the gym that Mike Works in that Rocky beat Spider Rico maybe Spider Rico was
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some sort of it seems like Spider Rico is some sort of accomplished fighter because even Rocky's really proud of the
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fact that he beat spyer Rico a guy like who's playing pool in the bar he knew who Spider Rico was that's true so I
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guess maybe spyer Rico is a he's not a bum well we'll find out later that's how Mickey feels but then Rocky mentions
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that his back is hurting do we ever get any indication later in the films ever again about back issues with Rocky you
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know I think like you know when Rocky's on his date with Adrien and he's seeing like the morning after a fight you're
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really sore when you're hurting I just chock it up as part of that why was Rocky so Snappy with Mike are you deaf
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good question people are kind of dicts to each other in this film a lot I don't know if it's just kind of like the
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neighborhood or just the culture there but people are really rude to each other in general and yeah he was pretty rude
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to Mike there Mike was being real nice to him too like it's kind of sad like the beta male of this place I
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guess I don't know I can't wait till we cover Rocky 5 when Mike's twin brother brother
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Jimmy so that my back is hurting and that I know I'm short part I know this
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has probably been discussed like at nauseum but when I was younger I was always confused about the shouldn't you
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take a rest no my back is hurting I'm going to come work out and now I'm like okay well maybe he just wants to get his
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body moving so it doesn't keep stiff or something I whatever that's maybe how I'm explaining
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that but the are you deaf no I'm short what the hell is is that does anybody
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have any idea maybe sound takes longer to get to him or something or it loses
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its volume the farther travels down I can give a little bit of insight maybe a
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couple things I think Rocky first about his back I think Rocky is going to the
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steam room is his where he's really going for his back I think he says later
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on he's like I'm going to go take a steam I did real good last night I think I think that's what happens this short
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guy here reminds me of my brother in-law my brother-in-law is about 5'4 and he wears a hat like that too like he really
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a lot of all this guy reminds me of my brother-in-law it's hard as a guy being short espe if you're really short like
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that a lot of women don't want to date you a lot of other guys don't respect you it's not easy like that it's not
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fair either it shouldn't be that way at all right no and I'm talking in general right there's lots of people who are that height who are fine but I'm just
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you know in general they kind of have a chip on their shoulder about it my brother-in-law certainly does he'll like
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kind of bring it up like that so Rocky saying like oh are you deaf he's saying no that's not my problem my problem in
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life is that I'm short yeah it doesn't have to do with his hearing but he's he's just kind of lamenting the fact
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that he's short you I love good Insight Kyle I love it that's great it is great I love the hat
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cuz it adds a couple inches right you can put a hat on your head it gives you a couple inches of height short guys like that if you notice and S like this
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cuz s is not tall they often wear shoes how dare you LIF feet tall full set of
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hair how dare you this guy he's just has normal sneakers though he's he's he's owning it
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so to speak I do like how Mike is cleaning the garbage outside Mighty Mixel that's pretty good that's pretty
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cool like he's actually makes a nice and neat outside what his job right he like cleans up and he get outside gets some
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fresh air get away from Mick yeah that gym probably stinks like no other too
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[Music] I just love how busy the gym is like this is a packed house this is a very
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popular busy gym like Mickey's doing pretty good if everyone's paying their monthly fees here it's Mickey's doing all right he should teach paully some
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lessons or maybe that's where paie got his business sense even that Pino who
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takes over this gym all those years later man that guy is not running the business like Mick did no you can really
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feel the energy in this place there's a good vibe here cuz you got the the tiger they're hungry they're hungry Rock have
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you guys talked about the fashion is quite the right word the clothing that was uh worn in the 70s I'm not sure if
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you guys have met me or not but I'm like very much an old soul and I like things that are like old I love the look this look like the
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high socks with the stripe and the kind of the boots not just the low tops I
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really like the look of 7s esque boxing midrift wi Apollo midrift shirts it's
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ridiculous but I freaking love it what do you think of the guy's suit here the guyy has a towel over his shoulder but
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he's he's actually wearing a suit he's managing somebody I bet maybe just typical 70s it's the brown color
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everything's brown or orange in the 70s and then his shirt you see has several
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buttons are are undone the collar is quite restrained for the' 70s it's quite a small collar I think you get a couple
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years on in the 7 you get the really large collars that go I had pictures of me wearing large collar shirts when I
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was a little one yeah we'll have to comment on gazo's suit is look also love
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big fan of Gazo here yeah he's the
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[Music] best so of course this scene that we're watching now is Rocky going to his
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locker we rewind just a little bit I want to read what that sign says if we
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could one that's over Rocky's head that you walk by yeah yeah no kissing when I saw this in the theater I noticed that I
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couldn't remember what I just remember noticing that sign being weird I couldn't remember why no kiss but isn't
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that an odd sign for that locker room I at first was like why are they telling him not to kiss each other like
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is this a big problem and then I'm oh duh they're just women weaken legs right isn't that what it's like well that's
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how I initially took it I honestly think it's reminding them about how women
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weaken legs again that's an interesting perspective so no kissing in the locker room but in general when you leave your
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guys are Fighters no kissing yeah okay all right I like because it would not make sense homosexuality and it wouldn't
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be like such a prevalent thing that's talked about that they have to put a sign up in the locker room here I mean
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you know what I mean it's ironic or something well you're right so I think you're both right in the sense of our
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both theories are sound either either it's an ironic statement cuz yeah back in the 70s I would argue no offense to
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the 70s 70s don't at me they probably weren't very they probably weren't very gay friendly publicly that wasn't a
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thing that we know it wasn't right being openly gay was not embraced so it's either ironic like Kyle's saying men
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aren't going to be kissing and making out in the locker room even if it did happen it's not embraced and then Katie
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you're also I think it's a good sound theory that it's real reminder to the fighters that hey when you leave the
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locker room when you go outside in the world hey keep it in your pants so to speak because you guys are Fighters stay
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hungry stay strong so either way I think both work but I don't think it's a real sign to tell people
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not say like no glory hauling in the Stalls no jobs in the steam
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room anywhere else all right yeah Louise in our chat
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brought up a good point that he kind of sides with Kyle and that it was more acceptable back then to even make fun of
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gay people that was a that was the joke so that's the irony like hey no kissing in the mail Locker room so the idea that
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it is a joke is probably what it is you know men making fun of men making fun of gay guys is certainly women weaken legs
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but doesn't mean I can't dudes right yeah that's be
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edited now I think he was doing the uh Bridge of river Quai
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whistling oh that military march song that we all know but
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oh my God I only know it from The Breakfast Club I didn't know what it was from
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other than it's a military March the river Quai was made that popular back in the day so that would have made sense
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for this time in the film of course he doesn't know the combo or he thinks he doesn't know the combo
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now him pulling that out of his hat that was actually John G Alon that suggested that Rocky has the combo in his hat I
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think it's a great little touch it is a great touch you think how like quirky Rocky is this guy's different that is so
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weird it's so weird keep your locker combination in your hat like that but
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it's kind of like an eccentricity a cool Quirk that makes you like the person rather than keeping it in your wallet is
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that I guess so or even just having it at all for me once you learn your locker
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combo you learn your locker combo you just you don't forget that they get hit in the head a lot though yeah that's
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right yeah good point and did you see watching it so closely I kind of love
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this his second try when he tries it first and it doesn't open you see him glance up to make sure that he's at the
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right locker before he tries it again and then it still doesn't work and then he gets his hat off good catch I always
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thought he was just looking up in the looking up to the sky to remember but oh he was looking at the Locker number I
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like that okay there you go Oh either way I yeah I thought he was looking to ensure he was at the right Locker I
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think that's probably correct yeah that's a logical thing right cuz you got to make sure you're correct locker and
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yeah I do love how he's got the combo imagine Rocky in today's world trying to remember all your passwords for the computers and stuff yeah he needs that
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app I don't know what app is man if we had sponsors in this show that would be like the perfect place oh combination
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your hat app there you go the remember password to your hat
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app how old was that fire extinguisher like is that thing from the
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30s I would says yeah yeah it's like this copper or bronze fire extinguisher
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that I think it's the one that like shoots water or something it's not even that water that's a water oh really yeah that's water yeah and there's two of
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them which I think is pretty crazy to have two I mean how many small fires are they expecting in this locker room but
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SM back then yeah fire extinguishers everywhere like that's just that's
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insane smoking is one of those things like I know lots of people still do it but it's like the more you look back on
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it the more bizarre it is right sure of course that's an old style ex there
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looks like you would turn the top that wheel at the top there you turn it to the right to get the water pressure
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flowing yeah oh and then there's probably handle that you squeeze to get the pressure out but you'd have to open
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that top up before you squeeze on the trigger to but yeah so it's got this big copper I agree it's probably copper I
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think at this point Rocky does know it's not his lock that's why he's so ready to break it and 6 years this this Locker is
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never not open for me and so he's going to grab he knows it's not his something's up he kind of knows I think
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you could be right on that I'll just tell you what I've always thought for example sometimes you know when it's
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just things aren't going right when you're really overwhelmed like yesterday I had a long hard day and at the end of
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the day my earphones weren't pairing to my phone I just wanted to listen to some music while I was doing housework and I
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was just so sick I was just the end of my rope that day and I just wanted to SM smash my phone or smash those earphones
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I've always thought of it he's just like oh this lock isn't working this [ __ ] I just want to open it I will just smash
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it over I just don't care anymore I think you're right I think I agree that is the first time viewing that's but I'm
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wondering at this point we know the history that he's been here for six years it's probably not the first time a locker has been taken from a guy so he
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might know at this point hey something's up here my this isn't my lock but yeah either way he's pissed off either way he's gonna yeah no Ryan like I think
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your's the sound that absolutely could be
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it I do like how he gets it on the first try so was this slide really breaking a lock or was the prop was this a prop
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lock that was just going to open whether cuz probably a prop lock okay it could be but that's a legitimately broken lock
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they maybe broke it just used some super glue or something to keep it together so when he hit it it would come off for
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sure because lcks are tough to break I mean that's a that's a good solid hit like don't get me wrong I'm he hit it
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you know looks like you gave it an honest hit but I'm telling you if you gave the task like take an extinguish and try to break you're not going to
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break it on the first hit I guarantee you won't that sounds like a challenge oh challenge accepted have to replicate
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this I'm G have to find a fire extinguisher like that in a padlock yeah I feel like you would bend
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the copper before you'd break the lock possibly yeah I don't know copper is a softer metal maybe but yeah the idea
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that this lock broke on that first hit I I know it's just a movie but again locks aren't that easy to break unless it's
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but yeah I think it's a problem it shows Rocky's strength right oh good yeah shows powerful and he's competent and he
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can hit that lock like physically he has a physical capabilities where he could just smash that lock first try cuz he's
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badass like that now of course this is a classic a
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little moment here where you know we know as an audience like this couldn't be Rocky's Locker there's a bunch of
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black women on the pict of the black women there's no way this is right like why doesn't Rocky have an affinity for
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black women we as a viewer again like oh this can't be Rocky's Locker this we know he likes Adrien right we know he's
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into Adrian we don't see any pictures of black women in his apartment also again it's the 70s and so one could make a
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pretty good guess that this does the woman on the left doesn't she look like
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Grace Jones sort of one bearing her teeth one I find black women attractive
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the one in the middle looks pretty attractive the one in the left there looks scary to me she does I know that's
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why I wondered because Grace Jones is known for being pretty outrageous and I just wondered if it was a connection
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it's probably not her cuz she looks a little too it's probably not her no it's not her age wouldn't make sense yeah she
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the age wouldn't make sense okay if it was I was like well Dolph lungren was famously Grace Jones's boyfriend for a
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long while that's right in real life I thought it was a rocky reference to a movie but it's not okay this is so
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softcore too right like the most scandalous thing there is there's a woman in granny panties
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and and then I guess one in the bathing suit there but I'm like he's pretty conservative here he usually see some
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boobs or something there's just like a bikini and some legs yeah we got a
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picture of literally just legs no B just two pairs of legs so he's a leg guy
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maybe yeah we have that one girl who she looks fairly young kind of wearing a
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sports bra type thing and panties in a hunched over sitting position the scalling face that we all know about I
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think everyone kind of sees that one first and then a very conservative this could be my aunt picture like this could
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this could go like that one honestly I like that one the best if you ask me I don't know why it's like a mil thing or
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something sorry Ryan for all your editing you're going to have to do on this mil is fine mil is fine now there
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is one now look below the girl who's sitting there's a girl who is naked but
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her nudity is covered by a sticker a sticker you know what it says get yours now that's what it says over the woman
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as it covers her uh it's like from a magazine she's talking a product of some sort right for sure well okay so I'll
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share a very brief childhood story here teenagehood story so when I was a young man internet pornography wasn't really a
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thing so we had to find ours the oldfashioned way and there was this old garage in our neor neighborhood our
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friend's dad's garage and he had this box of like' 70s porn that we used to
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break into his garage and take it and there was stuff like this in there where it's like the back there's like
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advertisements or you could buy more and you can order in like you you'd cut out this thing and and send it in it's like
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get more and they would star out the naughty areas and stuff like so I'm pretty convinced someone cut this out of
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Like a Porn or that kind of magazine and put it in the locker here which is so sad that you cut out like the
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advertisement one hey yo mik where's my lock whose
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stuff is this in my lock stipper stuff it ain't your locker no more talking
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about ain't my locker it's been my locker for six years where's my gear all right so we now we getting a little bit
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of History here so he's been as we know he's been at this gym for six years so he's started coming to this gym when he was 24 just a little uh backstory there
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yeah how did Rocky not get drafted into Vietnam like how is that possible that'd
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be 1969 he would have been 24 not in college he would have qualified for no
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deferments I I have actually the similar question for Sly how did Sly not get drafted into Vietnam I can tell you how
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my dad didn't if you have a really late number also my dad did go to college but
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he had a his number was 350 something so it was unlikely he was going to you
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could check if Stallone's birthday maybe cuz they did the draft number based on your birthday I can ask your a question
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actually Kyle okay okay this is some of the um where some of the hatred for Sly
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in real world has come from over the years is some people have accused him of being a draft Dodger because during the
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time of the draft he seemed to do a lot of outside of the US filming uh he went
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to other locations and places so he wasn't in the States during some of that draft time I don't know exactly how it
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works but I also know not everyone is drafted you don't draft the whole population the United States doesn't go
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to war so to be fair to Sly and I guess the rocky character just because you're
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eligible doesn't mean you go there's a variety there's a variety of reasons why people don't go so not every young man
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goes or else you'd have you obviously a force of millions but people have to also still work and go to school and so
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that still happens so not everyone was a Dodger obviously we the famous Donald Trump was that he had shingles or was it
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Spurs yeah so I mean we know the jokes there but the point is there there are reasons
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why people don't go but I think for Sly in real life yes he was out of the country for a period of time quote
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unquote acting there is some speculation that he was avoiding the draft so be it unless you talk to the man himself I
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don't think we'll ever get a straight answer but regarding the rocky character you could just argue you know his back was hurting he couldn't do it so yeah
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cuz like typically like they drafted out of the working class beginning of that war big time that's why one of the
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reasons why the draft lottery came up is because people felt like certain groups are being drafted a lot more a lot of
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black guys from Philly were getting drafted that's pretty well known but yeah I guess like Rocky perhaps his
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number just hadn't come up and here's a good question that Louise posted in our Discord which is why we love having our
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Discord because people are smarter than us the question is does having criminal record affect the draft I don't think it
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can be a a violent felony or anything like that because a lot of the people to
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Kyle's point before the lottery sadly it's the same population that is that
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unfortunately has to resort to crimes Petty crimes a lot of people would have had a record that did get drafted guess
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where I'm going good point good point I think it actually ironically it affects it today you can't join the military today I'm pretty certain with a criminal
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record I know they do criminal checks in the Canadian military so I think even the US military if you were to enlist
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voluntarily prior to the war they would prefer that you didn't have a criminal record they
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kind of have their pick whereas in Vietnam when they you know no one was enlisting anymore and they were Drafting
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and drafting they were getting more desperate by the end just to get warm bodies in but I know like for some
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people there were cases where you had the choice between going to it was more World War II area between going to war
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or going to jail yeah yeah that's right that's true oh interesting yeah my
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theory is Maybe Rocky was in jail well the War lasted for quite some time like multiple years so I don't think he was
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in jail for the whole time but yeah good questions but I think Sly the actor
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that's the speculation that's why he has some people that don't like him actually yeah conscious obor at the time he just
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wasn't public about it so that's fair that's his right he did what he did he didn't break any laws he just wasn't around so Mickey told me to bag it hang
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it you put my stuff on skid R I've been in a locker for 6 years and you put my
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stuff in a bag on skid R Mickey tells me what to do I got to do it right rock where is he he's outside working with
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Dipper I love how Mike is actually a little bit afraid there he's like I just do what I'm told to do you know Mickey's
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my boss Rocky's a tough guy right and you got this he's a little bit nervous here do you get the sense he's nervous
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here at this moment yeah I think he sees his [ __ ] that's a pretty big disrespect to someone I'm sure the
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lockers are somewhat based on seniority sure yeah I've been there six years which is probably longer than a lot of
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people have been there and all of a sudden you're going to make me bottom of the totem pole around here you're all of
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a sudden the low guy in the community now for apparently no reason other than
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some other guy who you don't know now needs this Locker I'm sure there's someone who who just got a locker a year
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ago you think if Dipper needed a locker so bad they take it from one of those guys but no they're going to take it
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from Rocky who's been there for six years to me that's a very clear message
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yeah Rocky you're not welcome here anymore we don't want you here anymore is a contender there is I noticed this
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when I watch the movie in the theater like it's one of the advantages of the big screen there is a pin on Mike's hat
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here it's blurry I can't see what it says now but it's something about his height something with Shorty or I'm
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shorty or something like that come up clear just a second here yeah there is a scene I want to pause on where we see
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Mike's flare he's got a lot of flare which shows that Mike's he hangs stuff on Skid Row he sweeps the garbage
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outside but he also has the tape and cut guy can I comment on a bit of Rocky's looks here too please so I was noticing
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I love how he delivers those lines where's my gear you know in such a deliberate slow seemingly calm way well
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obviously I'm very physically attracted to Rocky one of the things I noticed maybe potentially why have you noticed
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how prominent his Adams apple is and it's used a lot we see it move a lot
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when he talks and it's like almost a part of his facial features don't you guys think it's super prominent and
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another Patrick S also had a very similar demeanor when he acted and his
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the way that his Adams Apple was very prominent and moved and that was good cut yeah both very attractive familyy
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he's a little bit of a bad boy Katie I know yeah he's tough and look how much taller Sly must be on STS here because
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CU we know sze maybe 58 Mike looks like he's 4 foot n here I'm I'm actually very
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curious how tall he is because depending on the source he is anywhere from 58 to
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511 if the source is Sly he's 5'11 if the source is so somewhere between 59
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and a half maybe which is actually average height yeah I think he's probably 5'9 yeah I agree that's my
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estimate for him Mike's suppos say he's in a bad mood Mickey's in a bad mood of course Rocky says so am I but Kyle can
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you read the it says here I'm Santa's I can't quite make out the bottom word let's just play it for a little bit here
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in a bad mood oh my yeah it does Santa's agent maybe or something it's hard to
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yeah but a Santa's something but look at the flare on his stuff here what he's got here oh yeah tape clothes in just
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notice to it's a suit jacket which is weird but he's got Q-tips here pinned with a clothes pin to his pocket got
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Q-tips he's a cutman yeah so he does everything this guy he's Mickey's assistant he helps out around the gym
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he's running gym and as far as we could tell he's the only guy there other than Mickey and Mickey isn't doing any of the
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grunt work and we know uh Mike's brother Jimmy is also a trainer because he trains Rocky son in part
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five com by at night obviously does the night sleep ups that Rocky eventually did in Rocky to we have to assume that
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Jimmy is in the gym right now at Mighty mix but he's just not shown until Rocky five he hiding in a bag at skid R
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right pop out any moment keep your hands up keep your
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hands up right shut [Laughter]
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up holy smokes so Rocky goes over to talk to Mick the our first line for Mick
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that should have been a good trivia what is Mickey's first line in Rocky shut up shut
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up that's actually how I uh greet my children in the morning before I've had my coffee hey Dad shut
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up why does he even bother with the docking cap too it's like on the back of
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his head what's that doing hiding a bald spot oh maybe vir just Meredith those
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are prosthetic ears that he has on to give him that cauliflower ear and the nose too apparently the nose is makeup
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too to make it that puffy nose that's all makeup it's pretty good for the 70s
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another side note Burgess Meredith play Mickey of course we all know this I'm not saying anything we don't know but there might be the odd person doesn't
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know he's the same age here that Sly was in Creed part 1 MH crazy how old 69 which is funny I
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think we once debated about his age here but I think he's like seven he says in this movie he's like 76 years old 76
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years old and yeah but then his gra marker in Rocky 3 says otherwise he's
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actually character is older than he really is right so that's fine so the character is 76 but yeah burges merth
41:54
himself is 69 okay and just look at how much attention men Dipper's getting here Dipper has his trainer you could hear
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him he's like that's right that's right to the buy and then mix there so Dipper has two guys working on him where a lot
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of the other guys in the gym either have one person if they're lucky or probably nobody and he's in the ring too with a
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sparring person there seemingly are only how many rings are there two or three two or three yeah yeah so Rocky just
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wants to get Mickey's attention shut up what the response Mickey goes back to Dipper to
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[Music] the hell what do you want how you
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feeling today what I said how you feeling what are you a doctor or something you got problems today never
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mind my problem what's your problem my problem is I've been talking to your man Mike I want to know how come I've been pull out of my lock because Dipper
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needed it Dipper's a contender he's a climber do you know what you are what tomato to me yeah let face I run a
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business in out a goddamn soup kitchen oh these insults I find hilarious you're
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at to also is his voice was it because that's not how Buress Meredith speaks is
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it it's the same kind of change you could say slide see here's the thing with Sly when he did Rocky this was his
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first movie where he was made a world star right so people thought Sly sounded
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Punchy until they heard him in real life but we know that Sly puts on the rocky Persona He makes himself a little bit
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Punchy sounding don't you know you hear him in interviews he very articulate does not sound like Rocky and so the
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misconception is the same here for Burgess Meredith he also doesn't sound quite this grally he does enhance it he
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does kind of have that voice to begin with but he just enhances it a little bit he's driving it more for the film
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than he does in real life but he actually does kind of have this voice my first time I saw burges Meredith was in
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the Batman TV series he plays the Penguin and he actually does as the
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Penguin Sound a lot like Mickey yeah yeah makes that sound
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like as the pin when I saw him as Mickey it's like wow that makes sense if you guys listening want to hear a younger
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version of him he was in the US Army and there's a video I've shared it with Ryan and Katie in the past where he is
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training I guess soldiers of how to act and behave while they're in England during the war that's right yeah
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yeah he sounds quite than here he doesn't have that Gruff voice but a lot of the mannerisms and stuff are there
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but he's in uniform and he had an officer's rank I believe back then and of course he was in that classic
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Twilight Zone episode it's one of my favorite episodes of all the time all he wanted to do is read he got into this
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whatever meta Universe where he had books everywhere piled Skyhigh he could
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spent the rest of his days just reading but he broke his glasses that was the uh a yeah he wasn't able to read he
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surrounded by books he couldn't read classic oh that's unfortunate oh sorry spoil alert so two things might be
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happening MH people seem older when they're not that old back in the day in
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the 70s a 76y old maybe seems like a 90-year-old but they really make him seem like an old man the way he talks
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what Ah that's like very old Manny yeah well I feel like someone like him too I
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find people were rougher back then this guy came the Depression was a fighter
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for decades he probably lived rough and he probably was a smoker and a
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drinker I like that back then they did not live a lifestyle that
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was conducive to old age when Burgess Meredith oh sorry all good points guys sorry I I do that sometimes I'm always
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listening to you guys but I don't always comment on the comments on the comments okay I'm sorry anyway so Bri Meredith
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here I believe I'm 99% sure that he ad lied the uh tomato and and the line I
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don't run I'm not running a soup kitchen that was adli it's brilliant like he roasted him here calling him a Tomatoes
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kind to me like calling him soft squishy or just like not but then it's like I run a business not a goddamn Soup
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Kitchen in other words I make decisions that are in my interest not a charity to
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you but also soup kitchen and tomatoes like a food like a double on Tandra or
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something there so that was quite a clever burn I like that yeah it's saying that's uh let me know if I'm wrong dear
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listeners but I'm 90% sure that was adli and so now Mickey asked the question did you fight last night and Rocky I just
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love this exchange so Mickey's showing somewhat a bit of Interest like did you fight last night and Rocky's like yeah
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did you win last night yeah did you win yeah 1K on a second yeah who you fight
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sper Rico he's a oh bump count everybody oh okay yes
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yes two two bombs there I want to point something out here so you ask him who he fought Rocky seem embarrassed to say
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Spider Rico worried that Mickey would judge him I got that Vibe well you had
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mentioned the guy in the pool hall or Andy said oh is he still around so you
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had kind of you were maybe inferring that he was a little bit of a hasband or
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on his way out so so that might be coming up here again I just got corrected in Discord thank you Donald
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this is why we have Discord to make me the post embarrassed I knew there's a line coming out those ad it's the
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retirement line that's right then okay that makes more sense because he says
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tomato and then they work off the Tomato I wouldn't say that's good ad libing on both actors part but no you ever think
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about retiring that was ad lied okay yeah now that you say that I remember
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that's definitely right if anybody asks me they didn't finish the episode sorry play it through yeah I
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just wanted to mention I like have no important insights here other than I have always loved that delivery of
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Mickey's when he laughs and says he's a bum the way he laughs and says he's a bum I don't know why I find it hilarious
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it is great it's a I mean bir's mered rightfully still got nominated for best supporting actor for this film is amazing in this film and now I love it
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when he spits I always it's kind of gross he's spitting in real life like he's spitting on the floor who cleaned
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this up after is there a little thing he spits into I wonder is it like a t you know I spit on it is that okay is
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there's a line in Good Fellas where Karen Hank Hill's wife is talking about
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the police coming to search her house and she says Hank's colleague Jimmy Conway who's played by Robert dairo his
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wife would get incensed when the police would search their house and she would spit on her floor out of anger and
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Karen's like I don't get that why would you spit on your own floor yeah that's
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right that's a good point but I would assume Mick is spitting into the spit buckets that the boxers use so he's
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probably spit into the spit bucket which is all just gross to me anyways it's spit spit spit into the spit bucket it's
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just all gross I find the whole spit bucket part of boxing very gross it's a spitting is a sports thing too next time
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you watch a major league baseball game look in the Dugout and how disgusting it is no I don't want sunflower seeds cups
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they just don't give a [ __ ] to me that bugs me I'm like have a garbage can there like spin like throw your garbage
49:23
away you pigs football seems better they seem they
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have their act together I don't know some sports they're just animals football players they don't spit but
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they just gamble and beat their spouses You Do Your Dirty Work off the field off the fight is a bum well ain't they you
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got hard but your fight like a goddamn a nothing special about you you never got
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your nose busted so we're getting a lot of insight here so Mickey has seen Rocky for 6 years so he's saying hey look he
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recognizes Rocky you got a good heart you mean well you love the sport love boxing you're here all the time you know
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you show up and you go out and do it you fight like an ape what I love about that analogy is you know Apes in the wild
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when they swing they just kind of like hay makers you know they just woo wo wo they just swing around there's no
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Technique No finesse they just big rumbling Beast who just keep p p p p p p
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p there's no finesse or style or technique just brute and then also he says you never got your nose busted this
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is an interesting I think what Mickey's saying is like maybe have you fought anyone of value you I misinterpreted
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this line every time I've watched Rocky until I just read the subtitle it said
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the only thing special about you is that you've never got your nose busted and I
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always heard it differently I always heard it as there's nothing special about you you never got your nose busted
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like if you're a real boxer you'd have your nose busted that's always how I took it later in the film when Rocky
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finally gets his nose broken Mickey says Ah that's an improvement reinforc what I thought there but the subtitle seems to
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give a totally different thing like that's somehow a good thing that you've never got your nose but well this is the only thing special about you having but
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there's two ways of doing that either he hasn't gotone to a real down and dirty type of fight or for whatever reason
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these six years he's at been at the gym or been boxing his whole life he actually has been blocking punches for
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some reason he Rocky decided to stop blocking punches when he entered yeah I was GNA say that doesn't doesn't with
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Adrian right he says like I've had guys busted I've had is chewing on it he's never been busted busted oh
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god oh leave it that way I don't recall taking this to heart or really hearing
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it before but leave it that way nice and pretty and what's left of your mind is
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foreshadowing much we know what Mickey really feels when they have the confrontation later Mickey does
51:51
recognize Rocky's talent and Mickey laments that it was wasted you know looking back perhaps think he's kicking
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him out here because it's hard for him to see Rocky it bothers him I think so I
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think great talent and it's being wasted and it's just sometimes out of sight out of mind Rocky go fight somewhere else
52:09
you're not going to go anywhere as a fighter why yourself up both physically and mentally for no reason deep down he
52:16
almost maybe kind of cares about him although it obviously doesn't come across that way the way he's so disrespectful but like I said people are
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kind of just rude to each other in this movie in general like it's a very kind of tougher working class low brow type
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of society he in mhm leave it that way I puty much left your mind you know Mick I
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think I'm going to go take the steam you know why cuz I did real good last night and you should have seen me big te you
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should have seen me too hey kid you ever think about retiring no you think about
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it all right time all right so there's that classic line you ever think about retiring that was the adli yeah and I
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like how slight worked with it at that point it wasn't scheduled Hey kid and slide turns to look yeah you ever think
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about retiring no well think about it it's interesting because already here in Rocky the first Rocky film we have an
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indication of future brain damage it goes leave what's left of your mind and then we have the retiring theme that's
53:16
already been introduced albeit ad lived but we have the idea of Rocky retiring
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it has been mentioned in every single film what film was it never mentioned in
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six but he came out of retirement you're right but the idea of retirement has always been a subject it's always been
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yeah every F well he's 30 years old that's a little old to start really moving up boxing there are Championship
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fighters who are older than that but it's they were well established usually before the age of 30 they're late
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bloomers like lenx Lewis was a late bloomer but even he still did well when he was younger than 30 yeah usually it's
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like if you don't got it by 30 it's time to find something else to do I do like uh you you mentioned your Kyle he
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mention that Rocky says to Mick I'm going to go take a steam and he says it like cuz I did good last night is a
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steam a bit of a luxurious type activity or something or it's relaxing yeah going in the steam room his back hurts he
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wants to let his muscles relax and we'll stop here great sequence boy things are
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rolling now things are rolling Mickey's been introduced Rocky stuffs on Skid Row we're about to I think the next scenes
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will be uh Paulie will be introduced so we're getting all the characters the main players are being introduced here fantastic interplay between Sly and
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bries Meredith Sly is a draft Dodger we've established that uh Mike is short he's got a twin brother named Jimmy so
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things are moving along how indeed well that's it that's the end of the episode I didn't hear no
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Bell I just want to say one thing my
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you a i it
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